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Snoshi
10-23-2009, 11:06 AM
Iran on Friday failed to accept a United Nations-drafted plan that would ship most of the country's uranium abroad for enrichment, saying instead
it would prefer to buy the nuclear fuel it needs for a reactor that makes
medical isotopes.


While Iran did not reject the plan outright, state TV reported that Tehran was waiting for a response to its own proposal to buy nuclear fuel rather than ship low-enriched uranium to Russia for further enrichment.

Iran has often used counterproposals as a way to draw out nuclear negotiations with the West.

The United Nations nuclear watchdog on Wednesday presented a draft deal to Iran and three world powers for approval within two days to reduce Tehran's stockpile of low-enriched uranium, seen by the West as a nuclear weapons risk.

Russia earlier on Friday agreed to proposals by the UN nuclear watchdog to help reduce Iran's stockpile of low-enriched uranium, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.

"We agree with these proposals and we are counting on not only Iran, but all the other participants of the negotiations, to confirm their readiness to implement the proposed scheme," Lavrov told reporters.

In addition to Russia, the United States and France have also approved the draft.

A U.S. official on Friday said that Washington would await a formal response from Iran on the proposed nuclear draft, while French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner was quoted as saying that indications received from Iran were "not very positive."

"I cannot say that the situation regarding Iran is very positive. Now, meetings are being held in Vienna. But via the indications we are receiving, matters are not very positive," Kouchner said during an official visit to Lebanon.

Meanwhile, officials in Tehran said on Friday they were was awaiting a "positive and constructive" response from world powers to its proposal on providing nuclear fuel for the reactor, state television reported.

"Now we are awaiting a positive and constructive response on Iran's proposal from the other party on providing nuclear fuel for Tehran's reactor," TV quoted a member of Iran's negotiating team, who attended the Vienna meeting on Oct 21, as saying.

"The other party is expected to avoid past mistakes in violating agreements ... and to gain Iran's trust," the unnamed official said.

EU official: Israel out of the loop on Iran talks

Meanwhile, a senior European Union official told Israeli officials this week that Israel is not privy to the details of the exchanges between Iran and the Western countries regarding its nuclear program.

"You do not understand the extent to which you are not in the picture. You do not know how much you do not know and what is happening in Iran," he said.

Accordingly, a number of senior Israeli officials backed the European official's statements by saying that the release of the draft of an agreement with Iran caught Israel by surprise.

However, a senior official in the U.S. administration told Haaretz Thursday that from the minute the talks began on a deal over the uranium enrichment program of Iran, Israel was updated on every detail by the United States, and was given detailed reports on the talks with the Iranians and the ongoing dialogue on a nearly daily basis.

The Prime Minister's Bureau refused to comment.

Barak slams Iran nuclear deal

Defense Minister Ehud Barak spoke out Thursday against the draft agreement on Iran's nuclear program, under which most of its enriched uranium will be exported abroad for processing into a form usable in its research reactor.

"Iran received legitimization for enriching uranium for civilian purposes on its soil, contrary to the understanding that those negotiating with it have about its real plans - obtaining nuclear [weapons] capability," Barak said.

He acknowledged that the deal, if signed, would significantly reduce Iran's stock of enriched uranium, but said what is needed is a complete halt to its enrichment program.

"The talks [with Iran] must be of short, limited duration," he added. "The principle we are recommending to all the players is not, under any circumstances, to remove any option from the table."

Iran is slated to sign the agreement Friday, along with the United States, France, Russia and the International Atomic Energy Agency. And while the Iranians might try to wrest some last-minute concessions from their interlocutors, most analysts expect that they will ultimately sign, despite objections from some Iranian parliamentarians who say it infringes on the country's sovereignty.

Many details of the agreement have not yet been published, but the bits released to the public call for Iran to transfer about 1,200 kilograms of low-enriched uranium - about 75 percent of its known stock - to Russia. There, it will be enriched to a level of 20 percent and then transferred to France, where it will be processed into nuclear fuel and returned to Tehran for use in its research reactor, which makes medical isotopes. The entire process will take about 18 months.

This would leave Iran with only some 300 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, which is enough to make only about 6 kilograms of bomb-grade uranium. Since a nuclear weapon requires 25 to 30 kilograms of high-enriched uranium, that means Iran would lack the means to produce a bomb in the next year or so whatever its intentions.

Nevertheless, the deal completely ignores repeated UN Security Council resolutions demanding that Tehran stop enrichment. Instead, it effectively legitimizes Iranian enrichment and allows it to continue.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1123171.html

Empulse
10-23-2009, 12:01 PM
Iran is playing games with the world and it's getting increasingly annoying. They are not going to comply with anything, all they do is buying more time. Sooner or later, Israel will decide to strike, with or without allies. I just doubt whether it's going to be effective. It might very well be possible that they have underground facilities that cannot be destroyed from without.

3rdMillhouse
10-23-2009, 02:28 PM
They're just buying time enough to assemble their nukes. The free world should've bombed Iran back to the stone age when the Shah was ousted from power.

TheOpposition
10-23-2009, 10:57 PM
eh could care less. Not like worse countires dont have nukes. may as well let Iran have just to join in the (end of the world pararde) course they are new to this whole thing so thier fireworks are going to be like sparklers

Snoshi
10-30-2009, 04:47 AM
Iran has rejected a United Nations proposal to ship most of the country's uranium abroad for enrichment in an attempt to resolve the international standoff over its contentious nuclear program, the New York Times reported late Thursday.

The UN nuclear watchdog presented a draft deal to Iran last week to reduce the country's stockpile of low-enriched uranium, seen by the West as a nuclear weapons risk.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared on Thursday that his country was working with the West to resolve the nuclear standoff.
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But a Western diplomat said Iran has rejected a U.S.-backed plan to export most of its enriched uranium, and wants instead to enrich to higher levels under the supervision of the United Nations - a plan that could speed up Tehran's ability to make a nuclear weapon.

The disconnect between the words of Ahmadinejad and Tehran's decision, as related by the diplomat, reflect the difficulties facing international negotiators trying to persuade Iran to give up enrichment - an activity that could be used to create fissile warhead material.

The United States and allied countries were seeking Iranian agreement to a draft plan proposed last week by International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei at talks grouping negotiators from Iran, the United States, Russia and France.

A Western diplomat familiar with the Iran offer suggested that the Islamic Republic had rejected the main thrust of the offer - shipping out most of its stockpile - and was instead proposing to further enrich it inside Iran under IAEA supervision.

Ahmadinejad insisted his country and the West were working more tightly together on nuclear cooperation than ever before.

A senior European Union official told Israeli officials last week that Israel is not privy to the details of the exchanges between Iran and the Western countries regarding its nuclear program.

"You do not understand the extent to which you are not in the picture. You do not know how much you do not know and what is happening in Iran," he said.

Accordingly, a number of senior Israeli officials backed the European official's statements by saying that the release of the draft of an agreement with Iran caught Israel by surprise.

However, a senior official in the U.S. administration told Haaretz last Thursday that from the minute the talks began on a deal over the uranium enrichment program of Iran, Israel was updated on every detail by the United States, and was given detailed reports on the talks with the Iranians and the ongoing dialogue on a nearly daily basis.

The Prime Minister's Bureau refused to comment.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak spoke out last week against the draft agreement on Iran's nuclear program, under which most of its enriched uranium will be exported abroad for processing into a form usable in its research reactor.

"Iran received legitimization for enriching uranium for civilian purposes on its soil, contrary to the understanding that those negotiating with it have about its real plans - obtaining nuclear [weapons] capability," Barak said.

He acknowledged that the deal, if signed, would significantly reduce Iran's stock of enriched uranium, but said what is needed is a complete halt to its enrichment program.

"The talks [with Iran] must be of short, limited duration," he added. "The principle we are recommending to all the players is not, under any circumstances, to remove any option from the table."

Many details of the agreement have not yet been published, but the bits released to the public call for Iran to transfer about 1,200 kilograms of low-enriched uranium - about 75 percent of its known stock - to Russia. There, it will be enriched to a level of 20 percent and then transferred to France, where it will be processed into nuclear fuel and returned to Tehran for use in its research reactor, which makes medical isotopes. The entire process will take about 18 months.

This would leave Iran with only some 300 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, which is enough to make only about 6 kilograms of bomb-grade uranium. Since a nuclear weapon requires 25 to 30 kilograms of high-enriched uranium, that means Iran would lack the means to produce a bomb in the next year or so whatever its intentions.

Nevertheless, the deal completely ignores repeated UN Security Council resolutions demanding that Tehran stop enrichment. Instead, it effectively legitimizes Iranian enrichment and allows it to continue.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124777.html

Erik Sleivöks
10-30-2009, 11:04 AM
What an extraordinary surprise!!!

medo
10-30-2009, 02:37 PM
If Iran reject proposal, than what next?
Waste time with sanctions or attack nuclear sites?

apadana
10-30-2009, 11:13 PM
They're just buying time enough to assemble their nukes. The free world should've bombed Iran back to the stone age when the Shah was ousted from power.

People like you make me think there is no humanity in this world. I hope you realize bombing any nation back to the “stone ages” also means a lot of innocent people getting killed and more injured and massive destruction. But then again your only 21 meaning that you weren’t even born when the Shah left Iran so you have little if any understanding of Iran .

Kilgor
10-31-2009, 03:32 AM
You think they would have learned after the north korean example, who claimed black and blue they had no nuke program. They are just fvcking with us and stalling for time.

History repeats.

Sootan
10-31-2009, 04:04 AM
You think they would have learned after the north korean example, who claimed black and blue they had no nuke program. They are just fvcking with us and stalling for time.

History repeats.

Well, we and they also learned that people stopped talking about preemptively attacking NK the moment they got nukes...

Erik Sleivöks
10-31-2009, 04:05 AM
Obviously nobody is going to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
Only immature or retarded persons that have never seen a bomb attack and its effects on civilians in their lives are considering such absurdities.

Even if it is going to be rather difficult, I think there are several ways to make the regime change its mind. However bombing (especially civilians) is not only barbaric and stupid, it is completely counter productive.

MedVader
11-01-2009, 11:27 PM
Obviously nobody is going to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
Only immature or retarded persons that have never seen a bomb attack and its effects on civilians in their lives are considering such absurdities.

Even if it is going to be rather difficult, I think there are several ways to make the regime change its mind...


What ways are those?

TheKorean
11-01-2009, 11:44 PM
People like you make me think there is no humanity in this world. I hope you realize bombing any nation back to the “stone ages” also means a lot of innocent people getting killed and more injured and massive destruction. But then again your only 21 meaning that you weren’t even born when the Shah left Iran so you have little if any understanding of Iran .
I think Iran having a nuke means loss of innocent lives.

Sootan
11-02-2009, 12:57 AM
I think Iran having a nuke means loss of innocent lives.

Say, who do you think Iran will nuke first?:roll:

Erik Sleivöks
11-03-2009, 10:07 AM
What ways are those?

It is quite obvious that this regime will not just go away by a democratic action, and they will fight until the bitter end in order to stay in power.
Since it is anyway not possible to guarantee a successful attack on the nuclear installations, any military action on Iran (both small and big) will only serve the purpose of the regime and allow them to unite the masses around them by playing on the chord of nationalism. This is certainly not the way to go.

The regime is well in place, and has by 30 years of indoctrination succeeded in creating a wide support of itself within the masses of the Iranian population.
Therefore a “popular uprising” and a new revolution is in the current conditions highly unlikely if not impossible.
On the other hand; an external intervention is due to the size of the Iranian population and the large percentage supporting the regime simply not a realistic option.

In my opinion the only thing that could “force” the fall of the regime is a total collapse of the Iranian economy and hence the collapse of the support from large parts of the population. This is in many ways their weak point.
The regime have by a disastrous economical management already weakened the economy and certain sanctions (mainly banking sanctions) are quite effective and actually serious strains for the Iranian economy.
Due to its dependency on oil and gas revenues, due to its dependency on imported refined petroleum products, the Iranian economy is very fragile on this point.

If one could find a way to deny them the import of refined petroleum products, they would quickly have a very serious internal social problem. If one could (by sanctions, blockade, or diplomacy, I don’t know) deny them the export of their oil and gas it would be a matter of weeks or a few months before the regime would be on its knees.

This is certainly a lot easier said than done; however I think that it is one of the only ways to proceed.

Cataphract_Persia
11-03-2009, 10:36 AM
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GiladS
11-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Russia: More Iran sanctions possible

By AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF (editors@jpost.com)

Soon after senior Iranian lawmakers rejected on Saturday any possibility of Teheran shipping uranium abroad for further enrichment, a move which intensifies pressure on the government to reject the UN-backed plan altogether, an advance copy of a Der Spiegel interview with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev showed that Moscow does not rule out joining an international effort to isolate the Islamic republic through harsher sanctions.


"If an agreement is reached on programs for the enrichment of uranium and its use in Iran for peaceful means, then we will gladly participate in these programs," Medvedev said in a copy of the interview which was released on Saturday and obtained by *******.

"If the Iranian leadership takes a less constructive position, then anything is possible in theory," he continued. He added that "we wouldn't want this to end with international sanctions because sanctions, as a rule, take us in a very complex and dangerous direction. But if there is no movement forward, nobody is ruling out such a scenario."

Earlier on Saturday, prominent conservative lawmaker Alaeddin Boroujerdi said Iran would not ship its low enriched uranium abroad in a single batch or in several shipments - a compromise suggested by some government officials - under any circumstances.

"Nothing will be given of the 1,200 kilograms (of low enriched uranium) ... to the other side in exchange for 20 percent enriched fuel, not in one batch nor in several. It is out of question," the semiofficial ISNA news agency quoted Boroujerdi as saying Saturday.
The UN-brokered plan required Iran to send 1.2 tons (1,100 kilograms) of low-enriched uranium - around 70 percent of its stockpile - to Russia in one batch by the end of the year, easing concerns the material would be used for a bomb.


After further enrichment in Russia, France would convert the uranium into fuel rods that would be returned to Iran for use in a reactor in Teheran that produces medical isotopes. Fuel rods cannot be further enriched into weapons-grade material.

Boroujerdi added that Iran's ambassador to the UN nuclear watchdog, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, was currently "in talks to find an approach for the issue."

Iran had previously indicated that it may agree to send only "part" of its stockpile in several shipments. Should the talks fail to help Iran obtain the fuel from abroad, Iran has threatened to enrich uranium to the higher level needed to power the research reactor itself domestically.
The Teheran research reactor needs uranium enriched to about 20 percent, higher than the 3.5 percent-enriched uranium Iran is producing for a nuclear power plant it plans to build in southwestern Iran. Enriching uranium to even higher levels can produce weapons-grade materials.
The United States and its allies are unlikely to accept anything substantially less than the original plan, which aimed to delay Iran's potential ability of making nuclear weapons by at least a year by divesting Iran of most of its enriched uranium and returning it as research reactor fuel.

If 70 percent of Iran's uranium is exported in one shipment - or at the most two shipments in quick succession - Teheran would need about a year to produce enough uranium to again have the stockpile it needs for a weapon.

While the Iranian government is still considering the UN plan, the hardening posture of Iranian lawmakers has raised strong doubts that Teheran will approve the deal.

Another conservative lawmaker, Hossein Naqvi Hosseini, said Iran had three options to procure fuel for its reactor; to buy the fuel from other countries; to accept the UN-brokered plan; or to enrich uranium to a higher level domestically and produce the required fuel itself.
"The countries proposing ... are not trusted by the Islamic Republic of Iran because they didn't carry out their obligations to us in the past. Therefore, the second option is out of question," ISNA quoted Hosseini as saying.

"Exchange of uranium in return for fuel is out of question," another conservative lawmaker Ali Aghazadeh was quoted by ISNA as saying. "We have reached this point ourselves and we need to continue the path ourselves. It is their (US and its allies) obligations to give us fuel. If they fail to do so, we will supply it ourselves."

Iran has not formally rejected the UN-backed plan outright and Boroujerdi says the Supreme National Security Council, the country's top security decision-making body, is deliberating over the proposed deal. Iran has officially asked for more talks on the issue and some hard-liners say they should receive the nuclear fuel first before shipping out the enriched uranium stocks.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1257455201610&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull