Stop blaming racism for the failure of black parents

[Chulo]

Los Angeles – Growing youth violence in the United States will not be resolved until we find the moral courage to address the racial issues that underlie it.
During a Chicago school visit earlier this month to the site where a black honor student was beaten to death by a mob of black students, Attorney General Eric Holder stated that growing youth violence in America is not just "a black problem," but a problem for all races. The trouble with this statement is that it is statistically untrue.
Youth violence may not be solely a black problem, but it is primarily a black problem.
Consider, by race, the contributing factors of prison incarceration and school suspension. Blacks are imprisoned and suspended three times more frequently than the rest of the US population, and as much as six times more frequently than their white, Asian, and Latino counterparts.
The question is not whether young blacks, particularly males, get involved in violent incidents more frequently than other races. The question is why.
White and black liberals blame this disparity on a racist society that misinterprets and discriminates against black culture.
White and black conservatives explain these statistics as the result of less respect for the law, caused solely by poor parenting. They cite as proof that high-achieving blacks have been well-parented.
This is not a new problem. Consider a memo written in 1965 to President Lyndon Johnson from Assistant Labor Secretary Daniel Moynihan in which the secretary expressed his great concern over the high rate of out-of-wedlock births among blacks (25 percent at that time). Unaddressed, Mr. Moynihan predicted, this large number of fatherless children would result in increasing school failure, criminal delinquency, and joblessness. Sadly, because liberals across the board condemned this call for action as racist propaganda, President Johnson didn't want to risk heated public debate and so did nothing.
The recent Chicago incident, and countless others that occur daily, are the result of not heeding Moynihan's warning 44 years ago. The previous out-of-wedlock birthrate has almost tripled, and 7 out of 10 black children now grow up not only without a father, but also in disproportionate poverty. That means millions of young kids lack adequate parental guidance to make the transition to become successful adults.
So of course unparented black kids act up and get in trouble more. Any racial group would do the same. The starting point for reducing our nation's youth violence must begin at home. We need our elected public officials to acknowledge this.
President Obama – himself black, well-parented, and successful – has a unique opportunity to start reducing youth violence by addressing this key issue. The president needs to condemn the disparity in out-of-wedlock birthrates and antisocial behavior between black youth and their peers of other races. He needs to specifically address the habit of blaming racism alone for the failure to instill proper behavior in black children.
A specific call for black parental accountability would be a strong first step in avoiding future tragedies like the one in Chicago.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20091022/cm_csm/ywhite
An interesting take on the social issues

[seraosha]

Bill Cosby has been saying this for years.
I expect the same response to this article...it will be branded as racist, and dismissed. Or worse, as some kind of subtle "Uncle Tom" shenanigan.

[hank]

The existence of 2 facts simultaneously does not make them related. That's the problem with all these statistics. There is no evidence to connect the fact that 1) black youth are more violent with the fact 2) that they are black. Maybe its economic. Maybe its not. But its just as likely something other than race. I feel like I have to make this point around here a lot.

If you think the violence is race-related then take a look at the incidents of violence along economic lines with respect to poverty. I haven't done it in while but when I did I recall that you'll see that violence is a problem for all races when the perps of the violence are on the low end of the economic spectrum.

That makes sense to me. I've said many times around here that one of my 2 law partners is black. He has three sons. None have ever been in any real trouble. Why? They are black. Is it luck since blacks are more ****e to violence? No. I think its because their parents made a good living and they had what they needed economically, were encouraged to do well in school by educated parents, and grew up in a 2 parent home. The fact is their race had nothing to do with it. And there is no evidence (other than coincidence) that can ever show that race (and not circumstance) has anything to do with it.

I just don't understand how rational logical folk can honestly believe that the color of a person's skin has anything to do with their propensity to commit violence.

For those of you that espouse this view I'd like to hear your explanation. And I want more than statistics that show that the black community suffers more crime or that black people commit more crimes. I want to see some evidence to support your theory that its the color of the skin (or racial background) that causes the propensity.

And just because Bill Cosby says it doesn't make it right. For Christ's sake he's a comedian.

hank

[Chulo]

I am not so sure where you are going with your argument Hank, but I think the article says that it is not race, but rather economic (poor) and social (one parent/no parent) (gangs) that push people to be more violent than others. It just happens that the black community has higher out of wedlock children (70% according to the article) , and so less parental supervision. So the issue with the black community is not their race, but rather the lack of parental control (due to economic and social issues).

[hank]

I am not so sure where you are going with your argument Hank, but I think the article says that it is not race, but rather economic (poor) and social (one parent/no parent) (gangs) that push people to be more violent than others. It just happens that the black community has higher out of wedlock children (70% according to the article) , and so less parental supervision. So the issue with the black community is not their race, but rather the lack of parental control (due to economic and social issues).

Its not really an argument. I just always wonder about the question I've posed and that article made me think about the question again. I'm not saying you need to answer my question. It was kind of rhetorical. Sorry if it seemed like it was directed at you. It wasn't.

I got that in the point from the article. And I guess it really leads to a second question. Does race have anything to do with the parenting skills being complained of?

hank

[DC5dude]

The majority of crime in the USA is committed by Blacks. I don't know about the rest of the world, I just know what the stats say in the USA. The problem is that everyone and their mother will immediately label that racism when it's simply "the truth". Skin color is not the sole reason for this, rather a slow progression towards equality and the prosperity of inner-city residents which happen to be predominantly black. O and the title should say "Stop CITING racism" not "stop BLAMING", that's so grammatically incorrect it's pathetic.

[Special-K]

I see it as being more a social/lifestyle/moral problem than an economic problem.

The same kinds of lifestyle will lead to both economic and criminal problems.

My parents both grew up in poverty, yet pretty much everyone on both sides of the family stayed out of trouble and all are doing just fine now. This also applies to me for most of my childhood.

Add in welfare programs, which makes those kinds of lifestyles less 'harmful' to the individual because of the social safety net, and other government programs that can actually encourage such destructive problems, and the it becomes a worsening spiral.



-K

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The existence of 2 facts simultaneously does not make them related. That's the problem with all these statistics. There is no evidence to connect the fact that 1) black youth are more violent with the fact 2) that they are black. Maybe its economic. Maybe its not. But its just as likely something other than race. I feel like I have to make this point around here a lot.


Oh you're just trying to make us all upset so that we'll start typing in a haze of outrage, aren't you? Aren't you. Nobody has said that they're more violent because they're black. Nobody needs to prove they're more violent because they're black - it suffices to say they're more violent and they're black. That's all. It doesn't matter if that's becasue of thier DNA or their favorite TV show, or breakfast cereal or culture...who cares? If it's a statistically significant metric, then should it not be pointed out even if it goes against our grain?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I got that in the point from the article. And I guess it really leads to a second question. Does race have anything to do with the parenting skills being complained of?

hank

Oh yeah sorry I was so outraged I missed your 2nd post here.

Well...I think race - insofar as culture goes, has everything to do with it. Nobody has any problem acknowledging that Asian culture in the US is responsible for churning out some pretty smart kids, right? I think we've all become afraid to talk honestly about this stuff.

[seraosha]

parents.
plural.

It's cultural...skin color is window dressing.
And Bill Cosby is one smart dude...if you think he's merely a comedian you need to read more of his writing, Hank.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

parents.
plural.

It's cultural...skin color is window dressing.
And Bill Cosby is one smart dude...if you think he's merely a comedian you need to read more of his writing, Hank.

I think Cosby has dun got hissef onna them college de-grees...a doctorate in education from U Mass. Smart feller with a lotta book learnin'.

On a personal note...as kind of a family "in" joke...I always break into Fat Albert voice when I have to impart some kind of lesson to my kids. It goes like this:

"Dad can I go to the party with Jordan?"
"Will any parents be there?"
"...um...I don't...I'm not sure"
">fat albert voice< well keeds, you always got to be sure there's a grown-up around so you're safe. hey hey hey be cool stay in school"

Man they frickin' hate that.

I heard ...I think it was a congressman from Chicago on the TV today pretty much saying the same thing. Demanding the parents be...you know, parents. Because right now they don't do any parenting. The kids are raised in and by the streets - the gangs give them everything they need - and the parents get to do their own thing. Parenting, when done right, is soul-crushing, exhausting and thankless. Well I guess maybe you get thanked when your kid is like 25 or something.

[Van Gogh]

sometimes violence is necessary to defend yourself, and focusing on black people won't solve the problem. The Mexican drug cartels do their fare share of violence and so do hate groups which tend to be white. This thread focusing on blacks is racist in itself.

[Smitty_Damitty]

The majority of crime in the USA is committed by Blacks. I don't know about the rest of the world, I just know what the stats say in the USA.

The problem is that everyone and their mother will immediately label that racism when it's simply "the truth". Skin color is not the sole reason for this, rather a slow progression towards equality and the prosperity of inner-city residents which happen to be predominantly black. O and the title should say "Stop CITING racism" not "stop BLAMING", that's so grammatically incorrect it's pathetic.


I, would love to see the statistics which you have seen, that state that the majority of crime, is commited by Blacks. That would be pretty interesting indeed, seeing as though there are many different categories of crime. Might want to narrow it down a tad.

I was going to attempt a reply to the second half of your statement, but this whole racism bit is old. I grow tired of trying to explain to my Black friends that for the most part, they're a bunch of whiny bitches that will never experience unbridled race hatred. I'm tired of explaining to friends of other races as to why some Blacks, rightly or wrongly, feel the way that they do about race issues.

I won't risk saying something as cliché as, "We all need to look past race and love our fellow man" or **** and bull speech like that. So in closing, I'll say simply this: F*ck off, the lot of you. White, Black, Purple, I hate you all equally.

[ronnieraygun]

I, would love to see the statistics which you have seen, that state that the majority of crime, is commited by Blacks. That would be pretty interesting indeed, seeing as though there are many different categories of crime. Might want to narrow it down a tad.


I'm glad someone decided to call him on that.



F*ck off, the lot of you. White, Black, Purple, I hate you all equally.

This is why I like this site.

[Zarak]

Arrests by Race 2008:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_43.html

One might note that Hispanics are included as 'White' in the United States. Blacks clearly don't commit the majority of all crimes, however, we do make up only 13.5% of the population and commit 28.3% of total crimes, 50.1% of murders, and 56.7% of robberies.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I, would love to see the statistics which you have seen, that state that the majority of crime, is commited by Blacks.

I think you're right. IIRC the majority of crimes - of any sort- are not committed by blacks. That's because there are far more whites in the country - blacks are only about 13% of the population. But according to the FBI, blacks are 7 times more likely to be both the perpetrator and victim of crimes. Of course a lot of that is due to economic conditions. Not many people breaking into cars to sell stereos for drug money in Weston CT. You can google up the stats pretty easily on the FBI's site.


sometimes violence is necessary to defend yourself, and focusing on black people won't solve the problem. The Mexican drug cartels do their fare share of violence and so do hate groups which tend to be white. This thread focusing on blacks is racist in itself.

I have to think that 20 kids stomping another kid to death is kind of hard to sell to a jury as self defense. Unless the dead kid had some kind of super powers, which could have been the case. I'm not sure.

The way I look at things, focusing on the root causes of violence- in any group - certainly could help solve the problem. If the metric defines a group along racial lines, are we supposed to ignore it because it clashes with our social indoctrination? Again, the argument here is not that these are bad parents because they're black. Equally poor populations of other races do not manifest themselves in the same way...shouldn't we look in to why that may be?

Even black community organizers (such as The One) have acknowledged there's a problem with parenting among poor blacks. They're not some monolithic group - they've become stratified just like whites (i.e. poor whites riddled with crime vs rich whites in the burbs etc.). But there is a recognized, serious, and unique problem with poor blacks - single parenthood, kids descend into crime etc. I mean, if the problem can be seen and recognized, framed up with statistics - should it not be addressed simply because it may be seen as racist? Is it any more or less racist than government & school policies that give preferential treatment to minorities (which of course is an effort to mitigate these racially based problems)?

Sorry to blather on about this but I find this aspect of human nature very interesting.

[Smitty_Damitty]

But according to the FBI, blacks are 7 times more likely to be both the perpetrator and victim of crimes. Of course a lot of that is due to economic conditions. Not many people breaking into cars to sell stereos for drug money in Weston CT. You can google up the stats pretty easily on the FBI's site.



I have to think that 20 kids stomping another kid to death is kind of hard to sell to a jury as self defense. Unless the dead kid had some kind of super powers, which could have been the case. I'm not sure.


Wasn't arguing with that dude. Facts are facts, unfortunately. It was just the blatantly inaccurate statement that DC5dude tried to pass as fact, that caught my eye. And on top of that, he castigates the creator of the thread because of "grammatical errors"?? That was pretty f*cking solid way to start rebuttal, if you ask me.

That second statement was just hilarious to me for some f*cking reason...

[Van Gogh]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. being treated like an ugly slave isn't the end of it either. As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down. You find a car somehow and the money to upkeep it using your job. Girls see your status and want a piece. As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Something none of you will understand until you paint yourself black. And the part that pisses me off the most is when people pretend discrimination isn't real or its dead now that we have a black president.

[Gleipnir]

Boy oh boy is that the biggest crock of ****.

Never spent much time around 'white trash' or 'marginalized' white people?

[Van Gogh]

usually when you encounter a poor white person its cuz he wants to be by choice, not because he's forced out of the system. I speak from experience of where im at.

[Zarak]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. being treated like an ugly slave isn't the end of it either. As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down. You find a car somehow and the money to upkeep it using your job. Girls see your status and want a piece. As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Something none of you will understand until you paint yourself black. And the part that pisses me off the most is when people pretend discrimination isn't real or its dead now that we have a black president.

What bothers me, as a black man, is all the whinging and playing victim. "I didn't get that chick because I'm black," "I didn't get that job because I'm black." Boohoo.

"Being treated like an ugly slave"? Seriously? What a ****ing joke.

[dredger14]

"i didn't get that chick because i'm black,"

hahahahahahah!!!!

[Mu-Meson]

"I didn't get that chick because I'm black,"

Odd, I thought white guys complained that they didn't get that chick because she only dates black guys. Looks like both sides are rationalizing with racism; the reason is she just isn't that into you. Of course, Al Sharpton can't get on TV with that.

[Macs.]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food

Holy **** ! A friend tells you to fetch a bowl of food ? That's some hardcore racism. Seriously, this is the best example of racism you can come up with ?


As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down.

Yeah. Oh my god is life easy. As a white male I can tell you that everything falls into my hands. Jobs, Money etc. it just gets shoved into me. Because of that deal we white people made - Let's share it all among us. Maybe the reason you get turned down for jobs is because you are not even able to properly write in english ? But I guess it's easier to just assume it's because you are part of a minority.

To sum it up: What you write is simply laughable and absurd.

[Zarak]

Holy **** ! A friend tells you to fetch a bowl of food ? That's some hardcore racism. Seriously, this is the best example of racism you can come up with ?



Yeah. Oh my god is life easy. As a white male I can tell you that everything falls into my hands. Jobs, Money etc. it just gets shoved into me. Because of that deal we white people made - Let's share it all among us. Maybe the reason you get turned down for jobs is because you are not even able to properly write in english ? But I guess it's easier to just assume it's because you are part of a minority.

To sum it up: What you write is simply laughable and absurd.

"Please explain any periods of unemployment: racist pricks wouldnt hire me so i couldnt get a job and then my friends were like FETCH MY THAT BOWL SLAVE so even my friends are racist also my teachers were racist and wouldt teach me how to write good and if you dont hire me youre a ****ing racist and ill sue you"

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Truth hurts.

As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Weak.

You are what you make of yourself, period.

[Gleipnir]

usually when you encounter a poor white person its cuz he wants to be by choice, not because he's forced out of the system. I speak from experience of where im at.

Wow... and I thought your previous delusions were sad.

[INAT]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. being treated like an ugly slave isn't the end of it either. As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down. You find a car somehow and the money to upkeep it using your job. Girls see your status and want a piece. As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Something none of you will understand until you paint yourself black. And the part that pisses me off the most is when people pretend discrimination isn't real or its dead now that we have a black president.

No sure if you are serious or joking but that is alot of Grade A bull****.
Your self esteem and self respect is not something you obtain from the outside world it is something you create from the inside hence the term SELF esteem.White men don't have to worry about employment,bills,car payments,food and shelter,protecting your family and seeking prosperity?
Tone down the rhetoric Kanye,white men do not walk around in life having everything handed to them they work hard and focus on the needs of their family.Sure African Americans have historically been dealt a bad hand
but that does not make the lives of white people easy by default.Its not like there is only a certain amount of prosperity available in this world and white men get to stand in front of the line because they are white.Get an education,work hard,save for the future is the basic formula most people live by in this country.You are always going to be in charge of your own destiny to a certain degree and using race as the reason you feel inferior is unacceptable.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Didn't Bill Cosby rant about this and got criticized for it?


In response to the charge that he is airing African American’s dirty laundry out in the open, Cosby answered critics by saying, “Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2;30 every day, it’s cursing and calling each other n**** as they’re walking up and down the street.”

“They can't read, they can’t write. They’re laughing and giggling, and they’re going no where.”

But it was the comedian's first public outburst that really got everyone talking.

On May 17, 2004, at a NAACP celebration that marked the 50th anniversary of the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision that outlawed segregation in schools, 66-year-old Bill Cosby made pointed comments about the way black youth dress, citing their oversized clothes as “ridiculous.” He also attacked lower class blacks for not speaking proper English, not raising their kids properly -- by instilling corrupt and materialist-based values -- and naming them silly names.

His bottom line: black people have to take personal responsibility and own up to the fact that (part of) the reason we have not advanced further is because of squandered opportunities.

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=c3a1cf5b268909dfee0db53722131aee

[Enders]

...as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world...

I realize I'm new, and thus my opinion is about as important as toilet paper, but THAT is bull****. Pure and unfiltered.

I've never been HANDED anything. I've never been GIVEN anything. I went out and took it. -I- went out for it and EARNED it. I'm not from some affluent family. I would not say we were dirt poor, but that's because I knew kids that were poorer than my family, and because of my grand parents and my grand parents alone did we not go without toys of some sort on Christmas or a birthday.

Everything I have, I've worked for. I've earned it. I've been lucky in not doing truly ****ty jobs, like cleaning out an elephants drain pipe or something, but I HAVE applied to those kinds of jobs.

THAT is the main problem here. Mindset, not race. Across the board there are people that simply WILL NOT do for themselves. White, black, or brown. THey think everything should be handed to them because they are "disenfranchise" or have suffered more than everyone else. Every job I have had was earned by me putting out applications, and following up. I went and LOOKED for it. And then when I had the money and the capability I went and LOOKED for a car.

The only thing you're correct in is the women, as it was dumb, blind, stupid luck that I wound up with my fiancee.

Everything else I earned. Hard work never hurt anybody, but some people will never EVER accept this. My own brother is included in this. Call me racist. Call me dumb. I don't care, but don't act like just because I'm white I get everything handed to me. It's all earned.

PS: I feel like the Big Lebowski now. "I went out and acheived anyway!" Oh man......

[Smitty_Damitty]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. being treated like an ugly slave isn't the end of it either. As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down. You find a car somehow and the money to upkeep it using your job. Girls see your status and want a piece. As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Something none of you will understand until you paint yourself black. And the part that pisses me off the most is when people pretend discrimination isn't real or its dead now that we have a black president.

Seriously dude, this was probably the wrong forum to get the sympathy vote here. I will say this though, I'm a Black man myself. I was born and raised in inner city Baltimore and I've experienced what some could consider profiling and/or racism. On the other hand, in all of my youthful ignorance, I also participated in acts of racism against non-blacks. I think I know full and well what it means to be Black and dark-skinned at that. So forgive me when I say that my anger, in regards to race, runs both ways.

I get pissed off when I hear some white dude who is tired of what he believes to be white guilt, rattle off an uninformed, inaccurate opinion of why he feels Black America is in the state that it is in today. Not at all saying that you don't have an opinion in the matter if you're not Black, but

I am equally pissed, when I hear a Black dude run his suck about racism this and "it's so hard to be me" that. Then the same person will engage in equally racist diatribe towards these crackers and whiteboys, without giving thought to the fact that you act just as racist towards a group that you claim discriminates against you.

I was in the military, infantry to be exact. Which anyone knows is the domain of whiteboys...and beaners. I was the only black guy in my platoon, one of four in the entire f*cking company. Did racist things get thrown around...without fail.
But, I'll be goddamned if I didn't throw it back equal amounts.

Guess what I found out, people tend to respect you more as a Black person when you're not a whiny little pushover concerning race.

I [used] to be an open supporter of Bush 43 and his policies, yeah me. A poor, inner city, Black kid (and what great foresight I had in voting for him). I was shunned by my extended family for voting for Bush in my very first election. Couldn't understand why I was so eager to fight a war, "We ain't have no business in". My "Blackness" called into question by other Black friends of mine.

Guess what I found out, my own people were more racist towards me, than any other group that I can recall.

Moral of the story is if you're White or Black, born after the mid 70's(not from KKK country, of course) and you go around crying about race-related issues, you're a whiny little bitch. That's no matter how many ways you slice this pie. Fact of the matter is, things have changed and not because we have a Black president. It ain't enough discrimination left in th U.S. to hold you back from anything if you want something bad enough.

I for one, still plan on becoming an astronaut. Yes, a bad ass, goddamned astronaut.

[Enders]

I for one, still plan on becoming an astronaut. Yes, a bad ass, goddamned astronaut.

Sorry to go OT, but when that happens, can I have your autograph?

[Smitty_Damitty]

Sorry to go OT, but when that happens, can I have your autograph?

Pfft...only if you're not a motherf*cking cracker!

[Enders]

............I'm not..............?

[Smitty_Damitty]

............I'm not..............?

Oh...mah baa! Holla at a playa for a autograph then!rofl

[Enders]

;)

Excellence.

[Wimbly]

I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. .

Have you ever been a white guy trying to dating a black girl, or trying to? I dated a black woman and got nothing but grief from her family and friends. If I ever went out with her, hearing "damn cracker" became a normal occurrence. Another time I tried to date a Somalian girl and both of us were threatened.

[INAT]

Pfft...only if you're not a motherf*cking cracker!

Cracker and honky simply do not have the bite other racist slurs do.
I don't know if other white people feel this way or just me .Does it depend on culture? I don't think I have ever been called a name that truly insulted me.I would love to hear some new terminology as most slurs are pretty weak.

[Wimbly]

Cracker and honky simply do not have the bite other racist slurs do.
I don't know if other white people feel this way or just me .Does it depend on culture? I don't think I have ever been called a name that truly insulted me.I would love to hear some new terminology as most slurs are pretty weak.

When someone says , "poor white trash" it sort of pisses me off. Why is it acceptable to attack poor people as "trash" because they're white??

I agree about the others though. Maybe its because our culture focuses on the fact words cant hurt you? It was always a value stressed in my family, along with considering the source of your insults. If some low life douche bag is calling you a racial slur, why should it bother you?

[Smitty_Damitty]

Cracker and honky simply do not have the bite other racist slurs do.
I don't know if other white people feel this way or just me .Does it depend on culture? I don't think I have ever been called a name that truly insulted me.I would love to hear some new terminology as most slurs are pretty weak.

I know what you mean. I have long been an advocate for the development of more racially insensitive and offensive colloquialisms to replace the dated, ineffective ones such as: honky, cracker, whiteboy, etc. Blacks have been born with a severe disadvantage, when it comes to verbally combatting terms like n*gger, spook, and spade. Often times having no other choice but to resort to physical violence against the offender. But if my dream is ever to come to fruition, we must come together as one and strive for equality in this regard. Equally offensive terms for all!

[Gleipnir]

Basura blanca and gwai lo were always my two favourites.

[XShipRider]

Infamy's root word plays a part here. The "badder" someone is the more they are lionized by the thug culture. This is not lost on the youth of today.

[INAT]

Basura blanca and gwai lo were always my two favourites.

What about a diminutive for Richard or a male chicken? Do those terms work? p-)

[IMTT]

Bad words and mean spirited white racist closet Klansmen is a huge problem in our interracial community? Physical violence on the part of persons of color against Whitee running his mouth pefectly OK? Wow I didn't know there were so many cracker racists living in the ghettos of every major city in America. The killing of blacks by blacks for blacks is not a problem as well as the culture of violence against each other? Being offended of what people say is so much worse than the hundreds of monthly murders of minorities by their own on their own. Perhaps a little clearity of veiw and an awaking should be replaced by the eternal victim syndome cry me a river bred by the likes of race baiters such as Mr. Jackson and Sharpton. But then again there is no money to be made if they focus on personal development, taking responsibility and overcoming the continued victimtimization excuses...How about get over it and move on at last. I think I will go watch "Blazing Saddles" now.

[TheOpposition]

The majority of crime in the USA is committed by Blacks. I don't know about the rest of the world, I just know what the stats say in the USA. The problem is that everyone and their mother will immediately label that racism when it's simply "the truth". Skin color is not the sole reason for this, rather a slow progression towards equality and the prosperity of inner-city residents which happen to be predominantly black. O and the title should say "Stop CITING racism" not "stop BLAMING", that's so grammatically incorrect it's pathetic.


:Facepalm: well this could have been an intelligent thread. with a wide array of view points. But then you had to go and throw that bull**** into the mix... btw I think your argument if that was one is a bit mired in your own personal view of blacks. If I were you I would read the article again.

Also is it me or is it alot of these damn threads now? My god you should see the search results results for "black" "African" "racism" at some point they are going to top keywords like ak47. I understand the section is indeed labled political and (rant)..but damn...

I don't even stop by most of them anymore because they usually degrade into a "Grrr Thoes People" and pretty much end all intelligent discussion right then and there.

Now let me educate you on a few things. One Crime and poverty have ALWAYS gone hand in hand. From Manchester, to Bangladesh, to Compton. This is a fact. And yet people still fight tooth and nail just so they dont have to recognize this. Stop using ethnicty as your first judgement for society's ills.



Moving on to the topic of why there are so many bad parents within the black community which now have even worse children in early 20s-late teens. For alot of people that have lived within or in the very least in the proximity of the black community for more than 5 years know the anwser to this. In the 1980s a Drug known as crack-cocaine hit steets. Now remember cocaine was nothing new back then. It was usually associated with the Upper end club scene. When crack hit it became an "everybody" drug. Well thats when thing truely went to hell in a hand basket. It was pretty bad in the U.S in general around that time. Though black communites were the ones that were particularly devistated.


The adults that took part of this. Well thoes adults lost complete and utter ability to take care of themselves. Naturally the children immediately born into all that are going to be at an extreme disadvantage, hell maybe even in hopeless situation. What people don't understand is alot of the crime they see Is usually the children that were born into that situation. This is can be easily seen just from the age groups. You can't even lie and say you hear many stories about 45-60 year old African Americans commiting crimes. There is a huge reason for that, It was a Different generation.

Sadly before everyone in the community could get ther head above water to see what the hell just happened. A purely social issue was transformed into a Solely Racial issue almost overnight. Thus leaving us with these asinine crime statistics, and an increase of social phobia of black people. Which was already bad enough from the start..

[WKD]

usually when you encounter a poor white person its cuz he wants to be by choice, not because he's forced out of the system. I speak from experience of where im at.


Sure. White trash are poor by choice. They could be CEOs easy, all they have to do is learn the handshake.

[DC5dude]

I, would love to see the statistics which you have seen, that state that the majority of crime, is commited by Blacks. That would be pretty interesting indeed, seeing as though there are many different categories of crime. Might want to narrow it down a tad.

I was going to attempt a reply to the second half of your statement, but this whole racism bit is old. I grow tired of trying to explain to my Black friends that for the most part, they're a bunch of whiny bitches that will never experience unbridled race hatred. I'm tired of explaining to friends of other races as to why some Blacks, rightly or wrongly, feel the way that they do about race issues.

I won't risk saying something as cliché as, "We all need to look past race and love our fellow man" or **** and bull speech like that. So in closing, I'll say simply this: F*ck off, the lot of you. White, Black, Purple, I hate you all equally.

Why u getting hostile dude? I haven't looked at sources in months but I doubt it's changed much in the last couple of months. And I'm referring to your general crimes, ie. robbery, murder, narcotics etc. etc.

[DC5dude]

:Facepalm: well this could have been an intelligent thread. with a wide array of view points. But then you had to go and throw that bull**** into the mix... btw I think your argument if that was one is a bit mired in your own personal view of blacks. If I were you I would read the article again.

Also is it me or is it alot of these damn threads now? My god you should see the search results results for "black" "African" "racism" at some point they are going to top keywords like ak47. I understand the section is indeed labled political and (rant)..but damn...

I don't even stop by most of them anymore because they usually degrade into a "Grrr Thoes People" and pretty much end all intelligent discussion right then and there.

Now let me educate you on a few things. One Crime and poverty have ALWAYS gone hand in hand. From Manchester, to Bangladesh, to Compton. This is a fact. And yet people still fight tooth and nail just so they dont have to recognize this. Stop using ethnicty as your first judgement for society's ills.



Moving on to the topic of why there are so many bad parents within the black community which now have even worse children in early 20s-late teens. For alot of people that have lived within or in the very least in the proximity of the black community for more than 5 years know the anwser to this. In the 1980s a Drug known as crack-cocaine hit steets. Now remember cocaine was nothing new back then. It was usually associated with the Upper end club scene. When crack hit it became an "everybody" drug. Well thats when thing truely went to hell in a hand basket. It was pretty bad in the U.S in general around that time. Though black communites were the ones that were particularly devistated.


The adults that took part of this. Well thoes adults lost complete and utter ability to take care of themselves. Naturally the children immediately born into all that are going to be at an extreme disadvantage, hell maybe even in hopeless situation. What people don't understand is alot of the crime they see Is usually the children that were born into that situation. This is can be easily seen just from the age groups. You can't even lie and say you hear many stories about 45-60 year old African Americans commiting crimes. There is a huge reason for that, It was a Different generation.

Sadly before everyone in the community could get ther head above water to see what the hell just happened. A purely social issue was transformed into a Solely Racial issue almost overnight. Thus leaving us with these asinine crime statistics, and an increase of social phobia of black people. Which was already bad enough from the start..

Exactly my emphasis. Thank you for reinforcing it.

[Nano]

When it comes to success and failure in life what exactly are we going what constitutes one or the other. The number of zeros in your bank account?Personally important achievements?Being simply happy or content with life? Frankly trying to determine who is at fault for one's own failures is an exercise in futility.

Parents play the biggest role no doubt in anyone's ability to not fail at life, but in the end no matter what circumstances one lives or was born in success has always been up to the individual. It is true that good and educated parents make an impact, but in the end it is an individual's decisions that make the biggest difference in any case. The individual is far more important than the group. Groups can come up with well intended programs, but the individual will be downright brutally honest with you about one's faults.

[Peanut]

In response to the charge that he is airing African American’s dirty laundry out in the open, Cosby answered critics by saying, “Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2;30 every day, it’s cursing and calling each other n**** as they’re walking up and down the street.”

“They can't read, they can’t write. They’re laughing and giggling, and they’re going no where.”

But it was the comedian's first public outburst that really got everyone talking.

On May 17, 2004, at a NAACP celebration that marked the 50th anniversary of the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision that outlawed segregation in schools, 66-year-old Bill Cosby made pointed comments about the way black youth dress, citing their oversized clothes as “ridiculous.” He also attacked lower class blacks for not speaking proper English, not raising their kids properly -- by instilling corrupt and materialist-based values -- and naming them silly names.

His bottom line: black people have to take personal responsibility and own up to the fact that (part of) the reason we have not advanced further is because of squandered opportunities.


Pretty much sums it up there. Smart man.

[Smitty_Damitty]

Why u getting hostile dude? I haven't looked at sources in months but I doubt it's changed much in the last couple of months. And I'm referring to your general crimes, ie. robbery, murder, narcotics etc. etc.

Hmm, where do I start with this...

1. Hostile is not how I personally, would describe my response. Just as I wouldn't describe your original post as necessarily "hostile" or "racist". It just wasn't well thought out, IMHO. I responded accordingly...at least I think so.

2. It would be advisable to check your sources before you go running your suck about sh*t. It's not really excusable that you haven't checked the "so-called" stats in a couple of months, check 'em again. If you hadn't noticed already, quite a few of the members around these parts have a finely tuned bullsh*t sense. Simply speaking, we pay attention to detail.

3. If you notice in my reply to 2Sheds_Jackson, I wasn't "hostile" to him in the least, when he presented solid, accurate and documented crime statistics to support his argument. Not some seemingly uninformed generalization, such as what you provided. Therein lies the difference between your post and his, as well as my subsequent reply to each.

4. I am fully aware of the problems within the realm of Black America, I having experienced firsthand the senseless violence, the poverty and the overall stupidity within certain communities. Although, you've taught me something new because until now, I was never aware that "our" crimes, e.g.: robbery, murder, narcotics, etc., etc., were the sole domain of the Black man. I'll throw you a bone however, I know what you were trying to say, albeit poorly.

Try again maybe???

By the way, to all that haven't seen it, CNN's Black in America series is a well done documentary that gets my "Black" seal of approval. It's one of the few reports that didn't leave me shaking my head in disgust. Pretty objective and unbiased, if you ask me. I recommend it to those that really give a f*ck about such a topic.

[wagon]

When it comes to success and failure in life what exactly are we going what constitutes one or the other. The number of zeros in your bank account?Personally important achievements?Being simply happy or content with life? Frankly trying to determine who is at fault for one's own failures is an exercise in futility.

Parents play the biggest role no doubt in anyone's ability to not fail at life, but in the end no matter what circumstances one lives or was born in success has always been up to the individual. It is true that good and educated parents make an impact, but in the end it is an individual's decisions that make the biggest difference in any case. The individual is far more important than the group. Groups can come up with well intended programs, but the individual will be downright brutally honest with you about one's faults.

That's my thoughts too. Having a good upbringing is not a 100% guarantee of success but it is a start. Here in Australia we sometimes have the same sort of issues. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, so you don't always hear about the 'black family all working and all out of jail' - you hear about the 'black family all unemployed and / or in jail' - because it rates, sells newspapers and gives the bleeding-heart brigade something to do.

I've lived in an area where 'black & white trash' got on fine - and were hated by every law-abiding, quiet, employed (etc.) black, white, yellow, green, purple in the street. I feel bad for the offspring of these people, since they will most likely repeat the mistakes of their parents because they don't know any better.

[TheOpposition]

Hmm, where do I start with this...

Try again maybe???

By the way, to all that haven't seen it, CNN's Black in America series is a well done documentary that gets my "Black" seal of approval. It's one of the few reports that didn't leave me shaking my head in disgust. Pretty objective and unbiased, if you ask me. I recommend it to those that really give a f*ck about such a topic.

Agreed. great docu.




Exactly my emphasis. Thank you for reinforcing it.

and exactly what "point" of yours was reinforced? The more you talk the more you end up looking like the pink elephant in room. heres what you should do. Go back read all the post in the thread. Then read your post and see if you notice the difference....

[Degenek]

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[P.Koschei]

It does appear that the majority of murders are at least committed by blacks. Given that blacks in America are only 12% of the total population, they are more than 4x likely to murder than the National average.

Give the disparity between the race of victims and offenders, one can also extrapolate that blacks are more likely to murder whites than vice versa. Compared to relative murder ratios (normalizing for the black-white murder disparity), blacks are less likely than whites to murder their spouses, children, family, and parents. Blacks are more likely to murder someone during the commission of a crime. Blacks are also more likely to commit murder while committing rape and also more likely to rape white women. Blacks are even more disproportionately responsible for drug related murders, but it seems that they don't commit more gang murders than (normalized) average. Blacks rarely commit or are the victims of workplace murders, with black victims actually being proportional to their percentage of national population. I'll leave the issue of black unemployment for another day.

[matthew.manhorn]

Racist welfares towards blacks after the segregation era certainly did more harm than good.

[gilgoul]

Waiting for the Oreo insult.

[Flagg]

Seriously dude, this was probably the wrong forum to get the sympathy vote here. I will say this though, I'm a Black man myself. I was born and raised in inner city Baltimore and I've experienced what some could consider profiling and/or racism. On the other hand, in all of my youthful ignorance, I also participated in acts of racism against non-blacks. I think I know full and well what it means to be Black and dark-skinned at that. So forgive me when I say that my anger, in regards to race, runs both ways.

I get pissed off when I hear some white dude who is tired of what he believes to be white guilt, rattle off an uninformed, inaccurate opinion of why he feels Black America is in the state that it is in today. Not at all saying that you don't have an opinion in the matter if you're not Black, but

I am equally pissed, when I hear a Black dude run his suck about racism this and "it's so hard to be me" that. Then the same person will engage in equally racist diatribe towards these crackers and whiteboys, without giving thought to the fact that you act just as racist towards a group that you claim discriminates against you.

I was in the military, infantry to be exact. Which anyone knows is the domain of whiteboys...and beaners. I was the only black guy in my platoon, one of four in the entire f*cking company. Did racist things get thrown around...without fail.
But, I'll be goddamned if I didn't throw it back equal amounts.

Guess what I found out, people tend to respect you more as a Black person when you're not a whiny little pushover concerning race.

I [used] to be an open supporter of Bush 43 and his policies, yeah me. A poor, inner city, Black kid (and what great foresight I had in voting for him). I was shunned by my extended family for voting for Bush in my very first election. Couldn't understand why I was so eager to fight a war, "We ain't have no business in". My "Blackness" called into question by other Black friends of mine.

Guess what I found out, my own people were more racist towards me, than any other group that I can recall.

Moral of the story is if you're White or Black, born after the mid 70's(not from KKK country, of course) and you go around crying about race-related issues, you're a whiny little bitch. That's no matter how many ways you slice this pie. Fact of the matter is, things have changed and not because we have a Black president. It ain't enough discrimination left in th U.S. to hold you back from anything if you want something bad enough.

I for one, still plan on becoming an astronaut. Yes, a bad ass, goddamned astronaut.

Great post......

Down here in NZ, we've got our problems too.....but we also have an environment in the military here where indigenous folks(Maori) really excel in as level a playing field as one is likely to find.

Long before I suffered alongside everyone else in NJ gridlock when Al Sharpton blocked traffic because I was rascist, I had already learned the story of General Chappie James of "Blackman and Robin" fame.

[Flagg]

I think Cosby has dun got hissef onna them college de-grees...a doctorate in education from U Mass. Smart feller with a lotta book learnin'.

On a personal note...as kind of a family "in" joke...I always break into Fat Albert voice when I have to impart some kind of lesson to my kids. It goes like this:

"Dad can I go to the party with Jordan?"
"Will any parents be there?"
"...um...I don't...I'm not sure"
">fat albert voice< well keeds, you always got to be sure there's a grown-up around so you're safe. hey hey hey be cool stay in school"

Man they frickin' hate that.

I heard ...I think it was a congressman from Chicago on the TV today pretty much saying the same thing. Demanding the parents be...you know, parents. Because right now they don't do any parenting. The kids are raised in and by the streets - the gangs give them everything they need - and the parents get to do their own thing. Parenting, when done right, is soul-crushing, exhausting and thankless. Well I guess maybe you get thanked when your kid is like 25 or something.

Flagg in his Mushmouth voice: "Isn't Cosby's a Temple Owl?"

[Flagg]

what alot of you understand but pretend that you don't, is that as a black man, personally speaking, your self esteem and your self respect, is constantly under attack. I've had white friends of mine tell me go fetch them a bowl of food, ive had girls tell me im too dark to date, as a white man i can tell you this **** you won't encounter. being treated like an ugly slave isn't the end of it either. As a white man the most you have to worry about is practically nothing. Your the first to get a job, and nine times out of ten your never turned down. You find a car somehow and the money to upkeep it using your job. Girls see your status and want a piece. As a black man almost everything must be fought for, as opposed to a white man whose practically given every chance in the world. Something none of you will understand until you paint yourself black. And the part that pisses me off the most is when people pretend discrimination isn't real or its dead now that we have a black president.

I can't help but think about Eddie Murphy in "Whitey" makeup from SNL in the 80's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGm5U11JTr8

I don't know if this was the same skit or not......but I remember where he went to the bank and they just gave out money to the white folks when the black folks left the bank....and when the black folks get of the bus and only the white people were left the disco ball dropped, out came the champagne, and the money started flying around again.

Yeah...it's kind of like that in real life...but only better.

Brownie points to anyone who can find the Eddie Murphy "whitey" skit.

On a related note.....I can now talk openly about rascism and stuff since I just spent a couple weeks in Africa and the Middle East as a member of a minority group(Whitey)......I had Muslim women running away from this Infidel faster than old white women running away from Flavor Flav or Easy E.

[Smitty_Damitty]

Down here in NZ, we've got our problems too.....but we also have an environment in the military here where indigenous folks(Maori) really excel in as level a playing field as one is likely to find.

There are actually some pretty interesting parallels between us and the Maori. I was doing some reading on the Maori youth culture a couple of months back. Specifically how the younger generation mirrors their situation with that of Black Americans and has pretty much adopted Black urban culture in full. On a side note, they have a decent hip-hop scene and artists as well, they've obviously done their homework.


I had already learned the story of General Chappie James of "Blackman and Robin" fame.

F*cking great example right there. I actually did a report on him and Gen. Benjamin Davis in high school. I thought of him when trying to think of a callsign to use on vehicle convoy ops. In the end, I chose to go with Blacktimus Prime. It was bulletproof, methinks.

It saddens me in a way that young Blacks don't realize how much better they have things nowadays. That's not at all dismissing our reality in the country today. It just seems as though the majority of us feel a sort of power in playing the victim and being perpetually angry at the "system". So much so, that it's almost as if in collectively casting this victim syndrome aside and taking advantage of what many resources are available to us, that we somehow lose what edge we have over society and public opinion. Not forgetting your history is one thing, using it as a crutch is another thing entirely. I always use the plight of the American Jewish community as an example.


Brownie points to anyone who can find the Eddie Murphy "whitey" skit.

Link here:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/GhostDog8/video_player?id=JSc6njHx5bsNsjHa



I had Muslim women running away from this Infidel faster than old white women running away from Flavor Flav or Easy E.

Check your sourcesp-)...

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Smitty_Damitty/brigzz8.jpg

[dacanadianbomb]

As for racial insults , there is something quizzical about a white person turning to me ( also white) and saying "What up N***a!" I cant help but ask myself whether they are on crack or just plain stupid. The same as I would not call anyone who doesnt run around on 4 legs,have a tail, barks and is furry "dawg".

[Breakfast in Vegas]

There are actually some pretty interesting parallels between us and the Maori. I was doing some reading on the Maori youth culture a couple of months back. Specifically how the younger generation mirrors their situation with that of Black Americans and has pretty much adopted Black urban culture in full. On a side note, they have a decent hip-hop scene and artists as well, they've obviously done their homework.
The younger generation of pretty much every darker-skinned minority in Western countries identifies their "plight" with Black Americans and adopts rap and hip-hop as their "voice", sometimes with comical results and sometimes with really good product.

The hip-hop scene is Europe is really large in some countries and quite independent of the US scene already. They seem also to be a lot more political than the US rappers, who are all about representing themselves.


Check your sourcesp-)...

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Smitty_Damitty/brigzz8.jpgSomehow I thouhgt they were an awesome couple while it lasted. :)

[Hadamar]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Smitty_Damitty/brigzz8.jpg

Flavor Flav is a copycat. Mr. Feddle wore an alarm clock around his neck in William Gaddis's novel, The Recogntions, which was published in 1955.

[Smitty_Damitty]

The younger generation of pretty much every darker-skinned minority in Western countries identifies their "plight" with Black Americans and adopts rap and hip-hop as their "voice", sometimes with comical results and sometimes with really good product.

The hip-hop scene is Europe is really large in some countries and quite independent of the US scene already. They seem also to be a lot more political than the US rappers, who are all about representing themselves.

Going OT here, apologies...

Not necessarily the case. Yes, there is a large subculture of minorities(darker skinned or otherwise) within Western countries that couple their situation with that of with Black America and in turn, hip-hop culture. Keyword being subculture. It is only one of many in which the youth identify. Whereas, based on what I've read, Black/Hip-Hop culture is the dominant culture among Maori youth. Also important to note, is the fact that rap and urban culture wasn't just immediately adopted and brandished as the voice of the poor, tired and hungry as it began to spread throughout other countries. That is much more of a recent phenomenon.

In regards to the second half of your post, Hip-Hop in other nations have grown independent of the US and of Black Americans in general. The adherents of which, now identify with us much less than they do with their own, in their country of residence. In all actuality, few similarities remain aside from the dress, slang, etc. Their brand of hip-hop nowadays, is of their own creation, pretty much free of influence from the states.

As far as politics go, there are no shortage of "political" rappers here in the US. However, they reside in the underground scene mostly. Rap has long since, been proven to be commercially viably as a market-driven entity. The market here demands songs about ass and ******* therefore, the "concious" rap and rappers has been pushed to the side. The same trend towards commercialization is rapidly occuring in Europe and elsewhere. As the respective scenes mature and become bankable, it will soon cease to be the sole domain of the disenfranchised. Much sooner than later, the rest of the world's rappers will be no more political than Lil' Wayne.

I, for one, have no problem with more ass and *******.

[Van Gogh]

Its time people wake up and realize that blacks are not the source of the problem, nor are black parents. Its money and those who are in charge of saying who gets it. The modern day masters. And don't even blame obama cuz he has nothing to do with whats already been set in place. Whites have been using blacks as a scapegoat for THEIR KKKountry since we came here.

[Zarak]

Its time people wake up and realize that blacks are not the source of the problem, nor are black parents. Its money and those who are in charge of saying who gets it. The modern day masters. And don't even blame obama cuz he has nothing to do with whats already been set in place. Whites have been using blacks as a scapegoat for THEIR KKKountry since we came here.

I hate whingy little wanna-be victims like you with a passion. Man up, shut the **** up, and stop blaming every little problem on the evil white overlords. We blacks need to take some goddamn responsibility, I don't know who is feeding you this crap or if you're trolling but I heard that kind of tripe all the time. The white man isn't forcing young blacks to become crack addicts, the white man isn't forcing young blacks to murder eachother over what color shirt they're wearing, the white man isn't forcing young blacks to get knocked up and drop out of school. Blaming white people for everything only worsens the situation and makes finding a real solution impossible.

[Soldat_Américain]

I bet you if Africans had colonized this land and brought white people in as slaves we'd be talking about this in regards to white people with the title of:
Stop blaming racism for the failure of white parents

[Mikhael]

I bet you if Africans had colonized this land and brought white people in as slaves we'd be talking about this in regards to white people with the title of:
Stop blaming racism for the failure of white parents

Some good fantasy there my friend ...

[Soldat_Américain]

it's just food for thought.

[Chiptox]

Man up, shut the **** up, and stop blaming every little problem on the evil white overlords.
I hear a lot about how white people "don't understand" being black and I agree. We cannot know. The best we can do is imagine our skin color being different and living with the prejudice and bigotry, but at heart we would be the same old white people as we all are products of our experiences.

The reverse situation is also true and I think Van Gogh is making the same mistake. When he puts himself in the position of a white person he just does a superficial change like a black person in white-face. He's missing a big part of being white, that we're the majority and it drastically effects our thinking. We do not have the circle-the-wagons mentality of a minority group to protect ourselves from oppression. Race just isn't a big deal for us. We're the majority why should we care what our race is? Therefore, we don't feel the same need that the black community does to protect our group and our interests.

In the end it's a failure of critical thinking by both sides and we all could do better to at least try to understand the thinking of our counterparts.

[Soldat_Américain]

Here's a question, why should they stop. The white man has been on top in this country since it was sinkhole of an outpost. Slavery...and then Jim Crowe which lasted almost one hundred years after the civil war. Fact is they were oppressed and are economically at the lower end because of that. I'm not African American but in California when we still had segregated schools it wasn't just whites go to one...Mexicans and African Americans went to the same schools. Which also makes you wonder why there is so much fighting between the two ethnic groups in California prisons.

[Al-Bundy]

As I said to my history professor one week ago about Africa's economic, social, political.... situation etc during class.


"Colonialism" is a scapegoat for corrupt and insufficient government in Africa. You can’t be blaming forever some Europe countries and USA for your chronic problems. I can’t see how we (the young generation and the ones that are to follow, white people) are still supposed to be still responsible for Africa’s misfortunes. Asia is doing so well the economic center of the world is shifting that way. They were under colonial rule as well.

[Smitty_Damitty]

Its time people wake up and realize that blacks are not the source of the problem, nor are black parents. Its money and those who are in charge of saying who gets it. The modern day masters. And don't even blame obama cuz he has nothing to do with whats already been set in place. Whites have been using blacks as a scapegoat for THEIR KKKountry since we came here.

Take your f*cking waa-waa black sheep ass over to worldstarhiphop.com or somewhere else with the other clones. Seriously, what the f*ck did you hope to gain by posting this sh*t? You didn't think it somewhat weird in your 700-some odd posts, that this place was probably full of supporters of what you term our "modern day masters"?


I hear a lot about how white people "don't understand" being black and I agree. We cannot know. The best we can do is imagine our skin color being different and living with the prejudice and bigotry.

In the end it's a failure of critical thinking by both sides and we all could do better to at least try to understand the thinking of our counterparts.

I hear things said like this all the time and honestly, it's about the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever heard, IMHO. I know I'm not going to "paint" myself another shade of brown and imagine myself in the shoes of an undocumented Mexican...hell no! I'm good where I am man! All of this "walking in the others shoes" and that other jazz, isn't needed. A little common decency towards your fellow man goes a long way. All in all, I understand what you're getting at and this wasn't meant to get down on you in any way.


I hate whingy little wanna-be victims like you with a passion. Man up, shut the **** up, and stop blaming every little problem on the evil white overlords. We blacks need to take some goddamn responsibility, I don't know who is feeding you this crap or if you're trolling but I heard that kind of tripe all the time. The white man isn't forcing young blacks to become crack addicts, the white man isn't forcing young blacks to murder eachother over what color shirt they're wearing, the white man isn't forcing young blacks to get knocked up and drop out of school. Blaming white people for everything only worsens the situation and makes finding a real solution impossible.
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[shocker1]

There is a great deal of self segregation going on in the South. In this area my home town is 98% white while other areas are 50% white 35% African American. My predominantly white high school was merged with a evenly mixed school in 1990. While local government jobs go to mostly minorities and new business ventures tend to display white guilt in hiring. VW is one example of this. They hold career days at mostly minority magnet schools which cater to minority communities.

[Smitty_Damitty]

As I said to my history professor one week ago about Africa's economic, social, political.... situation etc during class.


"Colonialism" is a scapegoat for corrupt and insufficient government in Africa. You can’t be blaming forever some Europe countries and USA for your chronic problems. I can’t see how we (the young generation and the ones that are to follow, white people) are still supposed to be still responsible for Africa’s misfortunes. Asia is doing so well the economic center of the world is shifting that way. They were under colonial rule as well.

Agreed somewhat. It's true that today's African governments need to take responsibility for their current situations. However, the destructiveness and consequences of the "Rush for Africa" cannot be understated. Many, but not all of Africa's problems, can simply be dismissed as the failure to adapt and take responsibility for self. I don't disagree that a start in the right direction, would be to stop pointing the finger at colonialism for every downturn. What also can't be denied is the fact that the consequences of colonialism are responsible for the the state of today's Africa of which, the continent is only recently starting to recover.

...and I pretty much just repeated my original point in that last statement.:cantbeli:

[Breakfast in Vegas]

...and I pretty much just repeated my original point in that last statement.:cantbeli:That's OK, I need things repeated to me at least twice before my noggin comprehends. :oops:

[Soldat_Américain]

As I said to my history professor one week ago about Africa's economic, social, political.... situation etc during class.


"Colonialism" is a scapegoat for corrupt and insufficient government in Africa. You can’t be blaming forever some Europe countries and USA for your chronic problems. I can’t see how we (the young generation and the ones that are to follow, white people) are still supposed to be still responsible for Africa’s misfortunes. Asia is doing so well the economic center of the world is shifting that way. They were under colonial rule as well.

You're not, but colonialism is the reason why that continent went to hell in a hand basket, saying that it's n excuse is being naive. Asia was different.

[Al-Bundy]

You're not, but colonialism is the reason why that continent went to hell in a hand basket, saying that it's n excuse is being naive. Asia was different.

WAS....... This is exactly what I mean. Colonialism is not responsible for Somalia, Rwanda, Liberia, Uganda, Kenya .......... and Zimbabwe TODAY. They are running their own affairs and they are responsible for their own fate. Zimbabwe is the best example of the pathetic argument "It is all the fault of the white man". You have a petty dictator that ruined his country economically, grabbed the land of all descendants of white colonist by promising people even distribution. While in reality he and his family grabbed the best farms which ruined the country's food production and is now dependent on foreign food aid. And yet even today as we speak he says is the fault of Europe and USA as if they(Europe, USA) have nothing better to do than plan how to inflict harm in Zimbabwe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8286226.stm


I bet you if Africans had colonized this land and brought white people in as slaves we'd be talking about this in regards to white people with the title of:
Stop blaming racism for the failure of white parents

Well there is a country or two being run by African descenders called Haiti and Jamaica in Americas. Haiti one of the poorest in the world. Jamaica has the highest crime rates in the world if I remember correct. Another country made up by ex slaves Liberia in Africa is notorious for one of the most brutal civil wars.

Please explain to me how colonialism and the white man is still Today responsible for the actions of Black people in general?

[Soldat_Américain]

WAS....... This is exactly what I mean. Colonialism is not responsible for Somalia, Rwanda, Liberia, Uganda, Kenya .......... and Zimbabwe TODAY. They are running their own affairs and they are responsible for their own fate. Zimbabwe is the best example of the pathetic argument "It is all the fault of the white man". You have a petty dictator that ruined his country economically, grabbed the land of all descendants of white colonist by promising people even distribution. While in reality he and his family grabbed the best farms which ruined the country's food production and is now dependent on foreign food aid. And yet even today as we speak he says is the fault of Europe and USA as if they(Europe, USA) have nothing better to do than plan how to inflict harm in Zimbabwe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8286226.stm



Well there is a country or two being run by African descenders called Haiti and Jamaica in Americas. Haiti one of the poorest in the world. Jamaica has the highest crime rates in the world if I remember correct. Another country made up by ex slaves Liberia in Africa is notorious for one of the most brutal civil wars.

Please explain to me how colonialism and the white man is still Today responsible for the actions of Black people in general?

You're being naive. And you didn't read what I wrote. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with economics.

[Al-Bundy]

You're being naive. And you didn't read what I said. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with economics.

On contraire.

You proved your own naivety all by yourself.


I bet you if Africans had colonized this land and brought white people in as slaves we'd be talking about this in regards to white people with the title of:
Stop blaming racism for the failure of white parents

Now read my previous post and try to give a proper answer instead of resorting to insults.

[Soldat_Américain]

On contraire.

You proved your own naivety all by yourself.



Now read my previous post and try to give a proper answer instead of resorting to insults.

I read it, I just bolded what would be the change. Read the other part more carefully about colonization. It's an economical problem...poor any race you'll have crime issues. Not just blacks.

[Elbs]

Lack of effective parenting plays an important role in how a person develops. Throughout my school years I remember that the kids that were always getting the best grades were the ones who kept getting hounded all day by their parents. Constantly being forced to stay in, do homework, attend this practice, do this, do that. This was not just white kids... Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, you name it. The kids who had parents that were strict about schoolwork did the best work. Buddies who had parents that didn't give a flying f*ck about anything were the ones struggling to get a job or getting into city college.

You can blame whoever or whatever you want, but it isn't just a problem with race. Bill Cosby may be a goofy guy, but he has a lot of sense in him. Good luck getting a decent job talking gangsta or Spanglish like I heard throughout high school, or showing up with half your ass showing out your pants because "it looks trill." This is where parents need to step up and make their mark...

Just my 2 cents.

[Al-Bundy]

I read it, I just bolded what would be the change. Read the other part more carefully about colonization. It's an economical problem...poor any race you'll have crime issues. Not just blacks.

I made my point ... you made yours about colonialism.

You say it is economical problem and not racial. Let suppose it is a economical problem. What is the root of this economical problem according to you?

[Smitty_Damitty]

Zimbabwe is the best example of the pathetic argument "It is all the fault of the white man". You have a petty dictator that ruined his country economically, grabbed the land of all descendants of white colonist by promising people even distribution. While in reality he and his family grabbed the best farms which ruined the country's food production and is now dependent on foreign food aid. And yet even today as we speak he says is the fault of Europe and USA as if they(Europe, USA) have nothing better to do than plan how to inflict harm in Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe is a horrible example. Using Mugabe's regime to support your argument is in my opinion, reaching.





Well there is a country or two being run by African descenders called Haiti and Jamaica in Americas. Haiti one of the poorest in the world. Jamaica has the highest crime rates in the world if I remember correct. Another country made up by ex slaves Liberia in Africa is notorious for one of the most brutal civil wars.

Please explain to me how colonialism and the white man is still Today responsible for the actions of Black people in general?

Haiti and Jamaica are distinct from Africa. It seems to me like you were lumping that in there just because they too are majority Black countries The majority Black Caribbean nations do not suffer as a whole, such as Africa does.

No, Colonialism is not responsible for the individual actions, genocidal wars, the devastating poverty, as they continue to exist today. Can colonialism be blamed for the existence of these troubles in the first place, you bet. Again blaming White Europeans for Africa's problems, is not the point. The point is that colonialism was a destructive force that negatively shaped Africa's history. It's really no way in which you could spin it, to claim otherwise is dishonest at best.

[Al-Bundy]

Zimbabwe is a horrible example. Using Mugabe's regime to support your argument is in my opinion, reaching.

Let's use Idi Amin for example then.



Haiti and Jamaica are distinct from Africa. It seems to me like you were lumping that in there just because they too are majority Black countries The majority Black Caribbean nations do not suffer as a whole, such as Africa does.

But they suffer greatly in comparison with the rest of Americas.




No, Colonialism is not responsible for the individual actions, genocidal wars, the devastating poverty, as they continue to exist today. Can colonialism be blamed for the existence of these troubles in the first place, you bet. Again blaming White Europeans for Africa's problems, is not the point. The point is that colonialism was a destructive force that negatively shaped Africa's history. It's really no way in which you could spin it, to claim otherwise is dishonest at best.

I am only talking about the role of Colonialism TODAY. I did not commented about it's role in the past.My point it cannot still be used as an easy excuse, just like racism cannot be used as the easy answer to the problems of African-Americans for everything.

[Al-Bundy]

For those who are interested this is what colonialism did to Africa among other. With red the border of ethnic groups. With black the administartive borders set up mainly by Colonial powers.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1149/picture1yc.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/picture1yc.jpg/)

[Smitty_Damitty]

Let's use Idi Amin for example then.

Again, I believe Amin's regime to be a bad example. It is plainly obvious, to anyone that is a dedicated student of history, that Mugabe, Amin and their policies and supporters are solely responsible for the deterioration which birthed present day Zimbabwe and Uganda. Their argument that their countries suck now and that Whites are to blame for their predicament, hold absolutely no weight whatsoever. It also can't be used as to make a point about the ridiculousness of African leaders incessantly blaming Whites for the current condition. It is equally nonsensical.


But they suffer greatly in comparison with the rest of Americas.

Yes, they do, but how does this supplement to your argument in regards to situation in Africa? Black slaves defeted a colonial power to become the modern country of Haiti. They then engaged in and ill-fated campaign of expansion to capture the rest of the island of Hispanola. That war began the downfall of that republic, not colonialism. Jamaica has incredibly high crime rates, not the highest in the world as you claimed. However, Jamaica is still an economically viable country. How does this fit in to the point you are trying to make?



I am only talking about the role of Colonialism TODAY. I did not commented about it's role in the past.My point it cannot still be used as an easy excuse, just like racism cannot be used as the easy answer to the problems of African-Americans for everything.

Here, we can reach a consensus of sorts. You're right, these issues cannot be continued to be used as an excuse to explain the failed rehabilitation of the continent. But, can the effects of such be simply wiped from memory, everybody picking themselves up by the bootstraps and working towards a better continent? Racism and Black Americans, I consider a played out excuse. With Africa and colonialism somewhat, but not completely. Sadly, it's impossible to make this a black and white issue, the damage was just to great. Any solution to Africa's problems would involve the leaders of the continent taking stewardship of today's Africa. On that point, we can agree. Any possible solution would also involve coming to grips with and working to alleviate the effects of colonialism. That would probably involve redrawing the entire goddamn map.

All in all, it's a f*cking mess.

[Smitty_Damitty]

For those who are interested this is what colonialism did to Africa among other. With red the border of ethnic groups. With black the administartive borders set up mainly by Colonial powers.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1149/picture1yc.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/picture1yc.jpg/)

Heh, you got to that before I did, lucky.

[Zarak]

I don't know how this became a discussion about Colonialism, the average American black person has as much in common with Africans as with Martians.

Except sometimes I like to grab my spear and loincloth and dance to attract the womenfolk.

[Smitty_Damitty]

I don't know how this became a discussion about Colonialism, the average American black person has as much in common with Africans as with Martians.

Agreed. I make it a point of calling my self a Black American as opposed to African-American. What I also don't get is why White people insist on calling us African-American, as if calling me Black would offend me. It always cracks me the f*ck up when some White people struggle to find the right term in which to refer to you.

[Al-Bundy]

Yes, they do, but how does this supplement to your argument in regards to situation in Africa? Black slaves defeted a colonial power to become the modern country of Haiti. They then engaged in and ill-fated campaign of expansion to capture the rest of the island of Hispanola. That war began the downfall of that republic, not colonialism.
I do not know when that war ended but it must have been long long time ago in the 18 century. Still even if they has succeeded what would have changed? It would be another Jamaica but French speaking or Franco-Spanish speaking.



Jamaica has incredibly high crime rates, not the highest in the world as you claimed. However, Jamaica is still an economically viable country. How does this fit in to the point you are trying to make?
Well I don't keep track of highest crime rate country but I am sure they were number one for few years. My point is that ex colonial countries are not responsible for the way they run their countries TODAY.




Here, we can reach a consensus of sorts. You're right, these issues cannot be continued to be used as an excuse to explain the failed rehabilitation of the continent. But, can the effects of such be simply wiped from memory, everybody picking themselves up by the bootstraps and working towards a better continent? Racism and Black Americans, I consider a played out excuse. With Africa and colonialism somewhat, but not completely. Sadly, it's impossible to make this a black and white issue, the damage was just to great. Any solution to Africa's problems would involve the leaders of the continent taking stewardship of today's Africa. On that point, we can agree. Any possible solution would also involve coming to grips with and working to alleviate the effects of colonialism. That would probably involve redrawing the entire goddamn map.

All in all, it's a f*cking mess.

Can you imagine how many countries there would be if every ethnic group in Africa had its own entity? If there was no Colonialism I can only think of many ethnic wars to draw borders just like it happened in Europe and still goes on. Multiple "Bosnian-Yugo" wars being fought the same time by more than 3 players in each.

[Al-Bundy]

Agreed. I make it a point of calling my self a Black American as opposed to African-American. What I also don't get is why White people insist on calling us African-American, as if calling me Black would offend me. It always cracks me the f*ck up when some White people struggle to find the right term in which to refer to you.


Hahahahahahaha that gave me a laugh.
Tell you the truth many times I wanted to write the term "Black" but corrected it later. Writing the term "African-American" is long and tiresome in the keyboard.
But really I cannot use that term. You might not find it offensive but some will so I will keep it that way.


I don't know how this became a discussion about Colonialism, the average American black person has as much in common with Africans as with Martians.

Replace "colonialism" with "racism" and "problems of Africa" with "problems of African-American society"
I was drawing a parallel example.

[Mikhael]

Not all white people where in "business" of slavery. And many of whites are pissed about this reverse-racism targeted from blacks to whites (yes it is racism).

Funny part is that arabs where "better" slave merchants that "whites" but noone is talking about it ...

I am not american and i am white but this "white guilt" and black "i hate the world for everything wrong" should end and everyone should just build the future TOGETHER.

[Smitty_Damitty]

I do not know when that war ended but it must have been long long time ago in the 18 century. Still even if they has succeeded what would have changed? It would be another Jamaica but French speaking or Franco-Spanish speaking.

I don't know on what you are basing your assumption, that Haiti would have simply become a "Francophone Jamaica". With the victory of the Dominican Republic over Haiti, the Haitians were relegated to the western third of Hispanola. In turn, came the loss of much of the land that was used to produce sugar and tobacco. Thereby eliminating much of their ability to grow economically sustaining cash crops. They were further marginalized during the regime of Dominican dictator, Rafael Trujillo. Which begs the question, the DomRep occupies the other 2/3rd's of the island, is the DomRep simply a "Hispanic Jamaica"?



Well I don't keep track of highest crime rate country but I am sure they were number one for few years. My point is that ex colonial countries are not responsible for the way they run their countries TODAY.

We've pretty much beat a dead horse in repeating that colonialism cannot be retained as an excuse to explain away problems in ex-colonies...that's for sure. However, what prominent Haitians or Jamaicans, do you hear that blame colonialism for the state of their countries. I don't know of any. Haitians by and large, lost that excuse when they defeated the French. Jamaica is still a commonwealth country of which, Queen Elizabeth still enjoys considerable support from the majority of Jamaicans, as evidenced by repeated referendums on the subject. Jamaica's problems are wholly internal, free from outside influence for the most part. Not the result of problems propagated by British colonialism, but by militias formed with an allegiance to one of the countries two political parties.



Can you imagine how many countries there would be if every ethnic group in Africa had its own entity? If there was no Colonialism I can only think of many ethnic wars to draw borders just like it happened in Europe and still goes on. Multiple "Bosnian-Yugo" wars being fought the same time by more than 3 players in each.

Their system, worked for them before the start of colonialism in the 19th century. Africa by and large, wasn't made up of "countries" as you or I would define such.
Borders were based upon traditional understandings on ethnic or kingdom boundaries. Not by shapes drawn on a map. I disagree that the continent would have been worse off, nonsense. The European powers coming in and destroying the traditional boundaries, coupling different groups together, hostile or otherwise, is what led to the start of these genocidal blood feuds. Wars and bloodshed are part of human nature, it would have occured regardless of Western intervention but, not on the scale of today's conflicts.

[Smitty_Damitty]

Hahahahahahaha that gave me a laugh.
Tell you the truth many times I wanted to write the term "Black" but corrected it later. Writing the term "African-American" is long and tiresome in the keyboard.
But really I cannot use that term. You might not find it offensive but some will so I will keep it that way.


Eh, better safe than sorry, I suppose. But seriously, it's not as if by calling me Black, you're inadvertently calling me a n*gger.roflroflrofl

[matthew.manhorn]

Good answer from Obama, I don't like him as a leader but he's a really accomplished and intelligent individual whom I admire a lot.

[Chiptox]

I hear things said like this all the time and honestly, it's about the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever heard, IMHO. I know I'm not going to "paint" myself another shade of brown and imagine myself in the shoes of an undocumented Mexican...hell no! I'm good where I am man! All of this "walking in the others shoes" and that other jazz, isn't needed. A little common decency towards your fellow man goes a long way. All in all, I understand what you're getting at and this wasn't meant to get down on you in any way.
Yeah, I was mostly trying to point out that the argument applies to everyone. If someone wants me to look from their view into an argument, which I'm willing to do, then they should reciprocate and look at it my way as well. It's only fair.

[Smitty_Damitty]

Good answer from Obama, I don't like him as a leader but he's a really accomplished and intelligent individual whom I admire a lot.

???


Yeah, I was mostly trying to point out that the argument applies to everyone. If someone wants me to look from their view into an argument, which I'm willing to do, then they should reciprocate and look at it my way as well. It's only fair.

Unfortunately, that will never happen on a wide scale. If that were to happen, people might have to find common ground with other groups and may also have to admit to themselves that sh*t is not as bad as they make it seem.

Nothing wrong with dreaming though...

[Van Gogh]

man bottom line blacks are at war constantly. This thread proves it. Its not a war with guns, its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true. If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself. If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote. Whites won't tell you or admit to it, but black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention.

[Zarak]

man bottom line blacks are at war constantly. This thread proves it. Its not a war with guns, its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true. If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself. If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote. Whites won't tell you or admit to it, but black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7793/cheguevara1242900104.jpg

Fight da powa

[BlackFlag]

man bottom line blacks are at war constantly. This thread proves it. Its not a war with guns, its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true. If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself. If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote. Whites won't tell you or admit to it, but black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention.

1. YOUR culture is being exterminated?? Everywhere I go, I see kids imitating hip-hop culture. 5-7 radio stations here play Rap and R&B.

2. That's the most asinine statement I've ever heard. Seriously.

3. So, you admit that you think your race is superior on athletics compared to other races? Congratulations, I think that's the only truly racist statement so far in this thread.

I'd like to know where exactly you live? Your sense of entitlement and willingness to blame "whites" for your problems sound really familiar. I'm from Detroit.

[Al-Bundy]

Not all white people where in "business" of slavery. And many of whites are pissed about this reverse-racism targeted from blacks to whites (yes it is racism).

Funny part is that arabs where "better" slave merchants that "whites" but noone is talking about it ...

I am not american and i am white but this "white guilt" and black "i hate the world for everything wrong" should end and everyone should just build the future TOGETHER.

This is the expression I was looking for in my previous posts.

The funny part is that even today in schools somehow this is indoctrinated in young kids in countries that were not even part of "Slavery" and "colonialism". Talking out of personal experience.


man bottom line blacks are at war constantly. This thread proves it. Its not a war with guns, its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true. If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself. If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote. Whites won't tell you or admit to it, but black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention.

I am very eager to learn which powers are those that want to keep the "black" man down.

Are you justifying violence (and violent crimes) commited from African-Americans as a righteous act for self-preservation?

I can give you the last part in some specific sports. Haven't seen any white doing what Michael Jordan does(did). As for adaptation an the rest you are confusing and abusing The theory of Evolution in the totally wrong way.

PS:Life is tough for the majority.

[Smitty_Damitty]

its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly

Why not? Can you at least PM me who it is, so that I know whose side I should be on when the aft-spoken "Revolution" finally erupts.


but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true.


I'm going to attempt to reason with you here. Yes, there was codified, systematic and ultimately successful measures taken to destroy cultural links of slaves in the US, to that of Africa. In comparison to other slave holding countries where distinctly African cultural elements were allowed to be practiced (which was basically everywhere but the US), such practices were thoroughly routed here.

Discrimination within today's society? Yes, it still happens. Some of our given names turn employers off. Some of our hairstyles too ethnic. And at times, you may find discrimination based on how dark you are. But it's just us, huh? We're the only ones dealing with such things?

-What about the Hispanic, that looks too Mexican or whose accent is too thick?

-The Arab or the Central Asian, who is ridiculed, shops burned because he most certainly is anti-American.

-Hell even the young, White woman, who weighs 120 lbs, soak and wet, and yet is too "fat" to maintain her current employment.



If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself. If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote.

Taken it in, consensus: You're a f*cking idiot. When one of my childhood friends was shot to death over a snowball fight, was the shooter fighting to preserve himself, or whatever "rep" was important to him at the time. That's how I feel about it and I'm Black. Oh, maybe not to you, I probably sound too much like a whitewashed Oreo to you.

I want to ask you a serious question, have you ever grown up in the ghetto, in poverty, witnessing crimes such as the type you say are ultimately about self-preservation? Because I'm absolutely certain, that you would not find too many people, in the same environment, that would agree with you that Blacks mostly murder other Blacks to preserve themselves. That's not true either though, is it?

Now granted, you haven't yet claimed it but, I honestly don't think you are or were ever from the hood, boss. Especially, with the initial claims of racism, that you said occured to you in your earlier post. "Too dark for a girlfriend", "Being told to fetch food", please! Your examples were pretty trivial and I chalk it up to an extreme case of butthurt. Any Black man, that truly felt discriminated against, would have no doubt listed the police, first and foremost. Racial profiling is still a bitch, sorry to say.


black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention.

Yes, our music, our athletic prowess and our ability to adapt and overcome, despite the odds are a thing of beauty. But what about the intelligent side you fail to mention? You despite your rants, seem to still be of the old Jim Crow mentality that says, a Black man must master music, entertainment or athletics to be a success. What about the "effortless improvisation" of Vivian Blake? What about the "mastery" of the peanut by George Washington Carver? What about the "adaptation" of Doris Miller, from ship cook to ship defender? That's the "intelligent" side that you and most Black youth fail to mention because you only want to look at the bad, evil part of our history. Because you want to stay angry at something.

Open up an encyclopedia and start from the letter "A", f*cker.

I'm done feeding the troll...

[Van Gogh]

lol. im just pissing you guys off ill quit. take it easy.

[Rossdobby]

I believe its because when you freed the blacks from slavery you had a bunch of people who were completely uneducated and had become accustomed to serving their white masters. They as a race started at the bottom. Slowly through the centuries they have made progress towards equality. Alot of blacks are still struggling with this mainly because their family before them hasn't made it very far.

Its not because they are black that they live in poverty and aren't well educated. Its because there Status as a People rose faster then they could up untill this point. I believe over time they will completely catch up.

[California Joe]

This weekend I was in a real dive bar and I was drunk enough that I actually danced, with a girl, to whatever the hell song that includes the lyrics "apple bottom jeans, boots with the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr..."

I blame my black parents.

[Smitty_Damitty]

lol. im just pissing you guys off ill quit. take it easy.

If you seriously were joking, then that was probably the most badass troll job in recent memory...and I completely fell for it.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/Smitty_Damitty/1235388714405jpgroflposterscommyspa.jpg


This weekend I was in a real dive bar and I was drunk enough that I actually danced, with a girl, to whatever the hell song that includes the lyrics "apple bottom jeans, boots with the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr..."

I blame my black parents.

I blame the booze for the fact that you thought the girl you were dancing with was actually a girl,rofl

[BlackFlag]

This weekend I was in a real dive bar and I was drunk enough that I actually danced, with a girl, to whatever the hell song that includes the lyrics "apple bottom jeans, boots with the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr..."

I blame my black parents.

Haha. Since the only picture I've seen you in is your Zombie loadout, this is what I picture on the dance floor.

[California Joe]

Haha, it's also me with a fish in my profile. So there. But yeah, at 1:00 AM at my age, that loadout wasn't that far off. Minus the chihuahua.

[wicked_hind]

man bottom line blacks are at war constantly. This thread proves it. Its not a war with guns, its a war of cultural extermination. the powers that be are trying to exterminate our culture. I won't say which powers exactly but they brought us here without a lick of preserved history to hold onto, they only promote us in society if we act white, and any trace of blackness is considered ghetto. Now you tell me that's not true.

It's okay to say who it is; we already know what you want to say. Ohhhh riiiiiiight, then you won't look like a "victim", and more of whiny, nagging pri*k who feels that everyone else owes him something. Where are my manners? Seriously, you're hanging out in the wrong site if you're going to be preaching that load of s**t! Oh, and I really loved your "I didn't get that chick because I'm black" line. Seriously???


If a black man is involved in violence he's probably fighting to preserve himself.

So the next time I hear about a black man being involved in any act of violence, with the exception of protecting himself and/or his family from bodily harm, it's perfectly okay because he's just sticking it one more time to the great white honky; is that right?



If you want to know how blacks really feel then take in what i just wrote. Whites won't tell you or admit to it, but black culture does have intelligent parts to it: Freestyle rap cyphers. Effortless rhythm and improvisation in music. Mastery of athleticism and adaptation to a world who looks down upon you. That is the intelligent side whites won't mention


Regardless of what anyone of any race master, they worked hard and weren't afraid to fall down and pick themselves back up if they failed the first time. They didn't quit, and they did it for themselves and for their own gain, not to one-up the white man. People like you, who feel that the rest of the world owes him everything because he/she had it rough growing up and weren't as fortunate as others, and your only way to justify all the negative s**t you had to deal with is to pull out the race card. You didn't get the job because your race; you were turned down because you f**ked up during the interview. You didn't get pulled over for speeding because of the color of your skin; you got pulled over because you were speeding. Stop acting like a damn victim and blaming others for your shortcomings. If you really want to impress or one-up someone, impress yourself by overcoming any obstacles on your own, rather than just sitting back and trying to preach the man is trying to hold me down crap.

[Zarak]

Haha, it's also me with a fish in my profile. So there. But yeah, at 1:00 AM at my age, that loadout wasn't that far off. Minus the chihuahua.

Its not a party without a chihuahua.

[Flagg]

This weekend I was in a real dive bar and I was drunk enough that I actually danced, with a girl, to whatever the hell song that includes the lyrics "apple bottom jeans, boots with the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr..."

I blame my black parents.

Sounds like your pimp hand is strong