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MajorPayne
10-25-2009, 01:23 PM
This is a screen shot from the film "The Unbearable Lightness of Being".

http://i33.*******.com/2i0t1sndotjpg

This is supposed to be a Soviet tank from the 1960s but I don't think it really is.

FrankBooth
10-25-2009, 01:25 PM
T-34 (Circa 40's)

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Schpetzka
10-25-2009, 01:25 PM
I'm pretty sure it's a T-34/85, a WWII tank that was in use in the USSR for a fair amount of time.

justasoldier
10-25-2009, 01:26 PM
t-34-85.With a white *****e all over it.

IDF_TANKER
10-25-2009, 02:21 PM
T-34 were used during the Soviet invasion to Czechoslovakia?

MajorTom
10-25-2009, 02:23 PM
T34/85. White *****e was used when the Prague spring was crushed.

There were no T34s in Prague in 1968.

T-55s in Prague whit white *****e:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GPeKbQ13MqQ/Se6kJgJtWVI/AAAAAAAAUeQ/dU42cRKTb74/s400/prague_springdotjpg

T-34 in Budapest in 1956 without white *****e:
http://web.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lect17_files/budapest1956adotjpg

PaulClift
10-25-2009, 02:24 PM
What's the purpose of the white *****e?

piton_kaa
10-25-2009, 02:34 PM
Friend-or-foe, I guess.

dzhaga-dzhaga
10-25-2009, 02:38 PM
T-34 were used during the Soviet invasion to Czechoslovakia?

it was even used in A-stan

my name again
10-25-2009, 02:44 PM
Friend-or-foe, I guess.
Also i think it looks kinda nice :)

Ronguild
10-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Friend-or-foe, I guess.

The white markings were used during WP wargames to distinguish Friendfor and Opfor. The units involved in the 1968 invasion were having drills nearby :roll:.

Johny18
10-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Russian T-34 with 85 mm canon.

MajorPayne
10-25-2009, 03:39 PM
I guess the director of the film couldn't get a hold of a working T-54/55 in order to remain historically accurate.

_GDS_
10-25-2009, 04:53 PM
This is the most famous tank of WW2, come on...
It's T-34-85

Dark Avenger
10-25-2009, 05:54 PM
The white cross painted on the top of the tank was a common air-to-ground IFF device even back in WW-II.

grogreg
10-25-2009, 06:18 PM
IMHO it's T-34/85 Model 1960 (russian), or T-34/85M1 (polish).
Painting used during Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

Dark Avenger
10-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Based on the smooth turret casting and the headlight guard, I'd say it's a Czechoslovak manufactured T-34-85...

Erdene
10-25-2009, 07:54 PM
Slightly off topic but anyone seen Zombieland???....there is a tank in one of the scenes...what was it??? I guessed it was a Russian tank...or British one...hmm

LineDoggie
10-25-2009, 08:26 PM
T-34 in Budapest in 1956 without white *****e:
http://web.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lect17_files/budapest1956adotjpgTo be fair, that T-34/85 has been burned out, so expecting to find a white *****e isnt going to be easy

sergey31
10-25-2009, 08:50 PM
The white cross painted on the top of the tank was a common air-to-ground IFF device even back in WW-II.

It's actually quite dumb. Those who fight fair don't win wars (someone famous said something along those lines.
With that said what would deter the side who lost air superiority to paint their tanks in the same white cross pattern?

KillerBD
10-25-2009, 09:21 PM
The white markings were used during WP wargames to distinguish Friendfor and Opfor. The units involved in the 1968 invasion were having drills nearby :roll:.

So does this white-*****e marking have anything do with why modern day Russian Forces tie white pieces of cloth to their arms...? ie:
http://www.defensetech.org/images/russian-georgiadotjpg

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/82365767dotjpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19368FFB0B613D6DEB0F1B9158915001A35B01E70F2B3269972
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/371/beslan4dotjpg

similar to how our (US) military uses the IR arm-patches to identify our forces. especially at night.... which can be a double edged sword if the enemy is using nv sights... or even just some chepo video camera...

sorry for OT

Bro Jangles
10-25-2009, 09:28 PM
Slightly off topic but anyone seen Zombieland???....there is a tank in one of the scenes...what was it??? I guessed it was a Russian tank...or British one...hmm
looked like a chieftain.

ayanami_tard
10-25-2009, 09:41 PM
So does this white-*****e marking have anything do with why modern day Russian Forces tie white pieces of cloth to their arms...? ie:
sorry for OT

such practice already being implemented since 18th century

DavidDCM
10-26-2009, 05:34 AM
It's actually quite dumb. Those who fight fair don't win wars (someone famous said something along those lines.
With that said what would deter the side who lost air superiority to paint their tanks in the same white cross pattern?

It's actually quite smart :roll:

Russians had to paint white *****es on their tanks because they were regularly attacked by US Air Force during their advance on Germany, and vice versa. Some ground-attack plane dashing from the sky does not have time to determine if something is a Tiger, Panther or T-34 or Sherman. So you had to mark them with something that was big enough to be seen even from the skies, thus the white *****e.

Dark Avenger
10-26-2009, 08:25 AM
It's actually quite dumb. Those who fight fair don't win wars (someone famous said something along those lines.
With that said what would deter the side who lost air superiority to paint their tanks in the same white cross pattern?

At one point around April 1945 the Russians captured German tanks with white crosses painted on the turret roof to fool Russian and American pilots. That prompted a fallback to the other standard air ID marking, a white triangle painted on the turret. But that was too late in the war to be widely implemented.

Prowler129
10-26-2009, 10:02 AM
German's used to put Nazi flags over the engine compartment for AC recognition

saturnin
10-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Based on the smooth turret casting and the headlight guard, I'd say it's a Czechoslovak manufactured T-34-85...

Yep, it is Czechoslovak manufactured T-34/85 but I am not sure whether is was produced in ČKD Sokolovo or later in ZŤS Martin.

As for old equipment used during operation Dunaj, I have never crossed any mention of T-34 and really doubt that there were any - but some (unreliable?) sources claims that bulgarian army used old STUG which get out of order during march.

btw. there is czech-poland movie Operace Dunaj based on urban legend about one tank which get lost during operation. The movie is terrible, both plot and acting. They use T-34 for this movie:
skipt to 1:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouGjrigawIQ

strumbird
10-26-2009, 01:42 PM
It's actually quite dumb. Those who fight fair don't win wars (someone famous said something along those lines.
With that said what would deter the side who lost air superiority to paint their tanks in the same white cross pattern?

This would prevent your own troops from shelling your tanks. Not all soldiers knows the difference between Panther and T-34 from a distance. The *****es would give a quick identification that it's friendly.

DID
10-26-2009, 06:18 PM
it was even used in A-stan
I would appreciate to see pictures of it :-)

LineDoggie
10-26-2009, 09:16 PM
So does this white-*****e marking have anything do with why modern day Russian Forces tie white pieces of cloth to their arms...? ie:
http://www.defensetech.org/images/russian-georgiadotjpg


US did the same in 1989 for Operation Just Cause in Panama. PDF bn. 2000 was fully equipped with Woodland BDU's, PASGT helmets and LC webbing ,M16's

Rey
10-27-2009, 04:26 PM
:bash:This tank, everyone should be able to identify, it is Soviet pride from the Great Patriotic War.