Teen Gang Rape Case Shakes Richmond, CA

[Skutatos]

RICHMOND (CBS 5 / AP) ―

The gang rape and beating of a 15-year-old girl on Richmond High School grounds after her homecoming dance was horrific enough. But even more shocking, police said, was that up to 25 people watched and did nothing to stop it.

The attack over the weekend rattled the crime-ridden city of Richmond, where one police official called it one of the most heinous crimes he had ever seen. Some students have already left the school district in response to the attack.

"It's not safe there at all," said 16-year-old Jennie Steinberg, whose mother let her transfer out of the school district Tuesday. "I'm not going back."

The victim, a sophomore, had left the dance and was drinking in a school courtyard with a group of students when she was attacked, police said.

Two suspects were in custody as of Tuesday and police said more arrests were expected soon. Late Tuesday, SWAT teams were preparing to make more arrests as police are also offering a $20,000 reward they hope will bring more people forward with any information.

Investigators indicated that as many as seven to ten males ranging in age from 15 to mid-20s attacked the girl for more than two hours at a dimly lit area near benches Saturday night. More than a dozen people saw the rape without notifying police -- some apparently laughing and taking pictures of it with their cell phones, police sources told CBS 5.

The girl was found naked from the waist down near a picnic table. She remained hospitalized Tuesday with non-life threatening injuries.

"This was a barbaric act. I still cannot get my head around the fact that numerous people either watched, walked away or participated in her assault," Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan said Tuesday. "It's one of the most disturbing crimes in my 15 years as a police officer."

Manuel Ortega, a 19-year-old former student, was arrested after trying to flee the scene. He was being held on $800,000 bail for investigation of rape and robbery. A 15-year-old student also was booked late Monday night on one count of ****** assault, Gagan said.

Even though he said as many as 20 people were witnesses, Gagan said officials were still trying to determine the exact number of people involved.

"I'm confident that the list will expand and at the end of our investigation we will get a clear indication of who was there and who did what," Gagan said.

Richmond, population 120,000, has dealt with its share of vicious crimes in recent years, and the school district recently approved installing new surveillance cameras after a series of violent crimes. Richmond High School came under fire last year in a CBS 5 Investigates (http://cbs5.com/investigates/richmond.school.safety.2.863963.html) report which found most of the school's existing security cameras had been broken for years.

Gagan said the girl left the dance and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the courtyard. The girl had consumed a large amount of alcohol by the time the assault began, police said. Gagan said the girl's father tried to call her cell phone, but no one answered.

Gagan said police received a tip about a possible assault on campus from a young woman who heard two males bragging about it. Officers found the girl semi-conscious near a picnic table.

Marin Trujillo, a spokesman for the West Contra Costa Unified School District, said there were four police officers and 15 school site supervisors monitoring the dance. He said there were no problems during the dance inside the school gym, calling it "a success."

But Trujillo called the rape outside on school grounds "a tragic incident."

"We wished this had never happened. This was such a heinous crime," Trujillo said. "We are all going to learn from this."

Sources told CBS 5 that two school security guards who typically would have patrolled the school grounds were sent home about a half an hour before the attack occured because officials wanted to avoid incuring overtime costs.

Student Joseph Machado, 16, said the mood inside the school was tense Tuesday as officers were questioning fellow students. Two squad cars were parked outside the main entrance, and school security teams were patrolling the grounds in golf carts.

"Some of my friends were saying, 'What if that happened to me?"' said Machado, whose parents didn't allow him to go to the dance. "This school, this city already has a bad reputation and now this makes it worse."

Richmond is known as one nation's most dangerous cities. In 2007, Richmond had 47 homicides, and the murder rate led the state of California for cities with populations of 100,000 or more, surpassing Los Angeles and Oakland.

That number dropped to 27 in 2008, but has spiked to 44 killings so far this year, amid drug dealing and gang activity that has engulfed the town, Gagan said.

In one well-known murder case a few years back, a student was shot outside the high school, ran inside and died in the then-principal's hands, Trujillo said.

http://cbs5.com/local/richmond.teen.raped.2.1274537.html

Im so glad I live in a country where our raunch culture has so degraded the minds of our youth that they see a rape in progress and do absolutely ****-all about it. Indeed, they even decide to take photos and video. Sick, just very very sick.

I think everyone who took photos and video should also be prosecuted. Sick people.

[Geezah]

Sources told CBS 5 that two school security guards who typically would have patrolled the school grounds were sent home about a half an hour before the attack occured because officials wanted to avoid incuring overtime costs.

I personally would have no problem in seeing the perps involved put to death for the crime commited and those that stood by, ,watched and laughed do prison time.

Above all, the fact that security guards were sent home to avoid ovetime is crazy considering what a sh!thole the town is.

[Mr.K]

These cases seem to be similar worldwide, be it UK or USA.

Underage girl gets drunk, gets "invited by a "friend", gets raped.:|


More than a dozen people saw the rape without notifying police -- some apparently laughing and taking pictures of it with their cell phones, police sources told CBS 5.



Wow...

[Skutatos]

I personally would have no problem in seeing the perps involved put to death for the crime commited and those that stood by, ,watched and laughed do prison time.

Above all, the fact that security guards were sent home to avoid ovetime is crazy considering what a sh!thole the town is.

As a security guard, I can tell you this **** happens all the time. God forbid we should actually be there to "secure" anything or provide any sort of safety. Its all about insurance for these people.

[Mr.K]

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1250+23rd+St.,+Richmond+CA+94804&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=31.426188,77.607422&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1250+23rd+St,+Richmond,+Contra+Costa,+California+94804,+United+States&ll=37.95199,-122.347377&spn=0,359.999408&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.95199,-122.347377&panoid=NhVLK2EKh-QwQp13pxW4Aw&cbp=12,91.14,,0,1.67

looks like a welcoming place

[kosse]

Only in Africa..no, wait :|

[dynamicDAVE]

there has been way to much of this going on all over the world lately. that being said, if it happened only once, that is still 1 too many

[Albatross]

Richmond, CA is a complete **** hole

[Soldat_Américain]

Everyone's seen Coach Carter, well if anything that place is ten times worse then whatever the movie depicts.

[Derbedeu]

I personally would have no problem in seeing the perps involved put to death for the crime commited and those that stood by, ,watched and laughed do prison time.


x2
For once, I find myself agreeing with you.

These guys are worse than animals. They deserve no tolerance.

[Dolph BG]

The world is going crazy lately(the teens).For the last month in my country we had several teen fights:several hospitalized,one dead.And girl school fight skyrocket.its just crazy.But this crime is so vicious.i hope they are jailed for long,long,long time,s**mbags!

[Skutatos]

The world is going crazy lately(the teens).For the last month in my country we had several teen fights:several hospitalized,one dead.And girl school fight skyrocket.its just crazy.But this crime is so vicious.i hope they are jailed for long,long,long time,s**mbags!

Western culture no longer demands responsibility or accountability on the part of its youth.

[Clear_blues]

how could you just stand there and laugh? It boggles my mind and makes me wonder about the kids these days.

[Mr.K]

how could you just stand there and laugh? It boggles my mind and makes me wonder about the kids these days.

Some speculate that it was a gang initiation.

[Gleipnir]

Horrible-
If it was a gang initiation that is pretty fckd up.
That reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTxZXKsJdGU

Japanese University social club that actually organized, planned and executed rapes. Pretty sickening.

[Martial]

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1250+23rd+St.,+Richmond+CA+94804&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=31.426188,77.607422&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1250+23rd+St,+Richmond,+Contra+Costa,+California+94804,+United+States&ll=37.95199,-122.347377&spn=0,359.999408&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.95199,-122.347377&panoid=NhVLK2EKh-QwQp13pxW4Aw&cbp=12,91.14,,0,1.67

looks like a welcoming place

Looks like Mexico.

[Mr.K]

Looks like Mexico.

Indeed it does, google never lies.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1250+23rd+St.,+Richmond+CA+94804&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=31.426188,77.607422&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=37.950596,-122.347096&panoid=Pg1Lyn47eQgfQcyZwh0kGA&cbp=12,332.4,,0,-4.34&hq=&hnear=1250+23rd+St,+Richmond,+Contra+Costa,+California+94804,+United+States&ll=37.950596,-122.347096&spn=0,359.999408&z=21

Just a block away from the High School

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1250+23rd+St.,+Richmond+CA+94804&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=31.426188,77.607422&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=37.952966,-122.347368&panoid=xvnMr1_9KKi6XcxGRVE4kw&cbp=12,239.14,,0,14.92&hq=&hnear=1250+23rd+St,+Richmond,+Contra+Costa,+California+94804,+United+States&ll=37.952966,-122.347368&spn=0,359.999408&z=21 :roll:

[PALADIN]

Western culture no longer demands responsibility or accountability on the part of its youth.

Quoted for motherfu***** truth.

[Macs.]

Western culture no longer demands responsibility or accountability on the part of its youth.

I can understand that one might overreact after hearing about such cases, but the majority of the youth is still OK and doesn't act like this.

Rape, Murder, Theft etc is nothing new.

[Blue P]

wasting money on serious criminals beyond help is nonsense. more death penalties need to be carried out. and these junks must go fast!

[wigon]

Remember the rapists were most likely kids. You're talking about executing kids. But whatever. Most likely they were all drunk. Doesn't excuse it but in case you haven't noticed, our popular culture glorifies this kinda thing in music and movies.
If the death penalty worked California and Texas would be some of the safest states in the Union.
Simply throwing kids in jail is not the answer either. They just end up becoming hardened criminals. Why? Because reform programs are few and far between. Even when they are proven to work, they are unpopular with the public because that's seen as cuddling criminals and thus no politicians will touch that.

Personally, I'm a big fan of castration for men who commit brutal rapes such as this one. Just cut off the balls. THAT would definitely make people think twice about rape.

Wigon

[chauncy republicans]

Just another example of what happens when you let mass media, and morally relative liberal pieces of slime run our country.

[Geezah]

Remember the rapists were most likely kids. You're talking about executing kids.

Yes I am!

Are you apologizing for their actions?

Why not think about the victim instaed of the scum that commited the crime.




But whatever. Most likely they were all drunk. Doesn't excuse it but in case you haven't noticed, our popular culture glorifies this kinda thing in music and movies.

What popular culture glorifies gang rape, or rape for that matter?



If the death penalty worked California and Texas would be some of the safest states in the Union.

There is nothing to prove that the death penalty does not act a a deterrent>




Simply throwing kids in jail is not the answer either. They just end up becoming hardened criminals. Why? Because reform programs are few and far between. Even when they are proven to work, they are unpopular with the public because that's seen as cuddling criminals and thus no politicians will touch that.

Exactly, end their lives as the victims life is ruined.




Personally, I'm a big fan of castration for men who commit brutal rapes such as this one. Just cut off the balls. THAT would definitely make people think twice about rape.


I'll agree with you on this then, but to turn it around on you, you would suggest castrating kids?

[brainplay]

Personally, I'm a big fan of castration for men who commit brutal rapes such as this one. Just cut off the balls. THAT would definitely make people think twice about rape.

Wigon

Same problem with the death penalty only even less effective. Appeals, motions, liberal anti-violence groups protesting against the "maiming" of another human, etc with an overly long stay on ******** chop row.


Some speculate that it was a gang initiation.

Argued with this on another forum. Gang initiations for females are often ****** in nature and a gang bang is not that uncommon. Have to wonder how many knew this was a rape and how many thought she was paying her gang dues. Unheard of in the 80's but now?

[Mr.K]

wasting money on serious criminals beyond help is nonsense. more death penalties need to be carried out. and these junks must go fast!

Death penalty in a democratic country is actually a long and expensive process, this is not communist China or stalinist Russia.

[DC5dude]

Coming out of the **** capital of the world this doesn't surprise me one bit.

[Blue P]

Death penalty in a democratic country is actually a long and expensive process, this is not communist China or stalinist Russia.

which punishes the taxers rather than the criminals. hope you are able to enjoy this part of the great democracy, my friend.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Coming out of the **** capital of the world this doesn't surprise me one bit.

Yeah, blame ****.... :roll:

[Gleipnir]

Coming out of the **** capital of the world this doesn't surprise me one bit.

Actually, when West Germany legalized hardcore ****ography in the Seventies, the instances of rape decreased quite dramatically.

[Laworkerbee]

Some speculate that it was a gang initiation.

Gang members should be classified as domestic terrorists and should and be dealt with the same as any other terrorist.

[mechanical-octopi]

Either a lot of people are generally sick ****s or we've truly become a desensitized society. Either hope the pieces of ****s responsible get whats coming to them.

[ronnieraygun]

Coming out of the **** capital of the world this doesn't surprise me one bit.

Most **** is made in the East Bay area? Is it all the girls with Sharpie eyebrows and guys who wear sleeveless undershirts? Do tell how this is related. If you're going to conclude that **** causes ****** violence, dumb kids in a ****hole town would probably not be the best representative sample.

[Gleipnir]

Hahaha,
yeah this fool has obviously never heard of Chatsworth.

[Skutatos]

Gang members should be classified as domestic terrorists and should and be dealt with the same as any other terrorist.
QFT, I have to deal with these ****ing morons on an almost daily basis. Not only are they violent, but so stupid it boggles the mind.

God forbid you should stand somewhere they don't like. I get **** like "ARE YOU HERE FOR A REASON MOTHER****ER?!" Uh, yeah, I work here dip****, **** off. Walking around with pants around your ankles, a durag on your head and grabbing your crotch is apparently what "gangstas" mean when talking about earning respect being a man. Or is it the murdering of cashiers at gas stations and liquor stores, or maybe its the raping of women. All very manly things to do.

[Laworkerbee]

QFT, I have to deal with these ****ing morons on an almost daily basis. Not only are they violent, but so stupid it boggles the mind.

God forbid you should stand somewhere they don't like. I get **** like "ARE YOU HERE FOR A REASON MOTHER****ER?!" Uh, yeah, I work here dip****, **** off. Walking around with pants around your ankles, a durag on your head and grabbing your crotch is apparently what "gangstas" mean when talking about earning respect being a man. Or is it the murdering of cashiers at gas stations and liquor stores, or maybe its the raping of women. All very manly things to do.

Gangs kill anyone who oppose them and they terrorize the communities they reside in through murder, robbery, property destruction and rape. The prison system is now the command and control center for the gangs and gains strength every single day.

As long as these guys are incarcerated in the way that they currently are prisons will continue to be not only a recruitment center but literally the only way gang members can enhance their stature and reputation.

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

[gaijinsamurai]

I totally agree with you, Bee.
I'm completely sick of these scum, as well as the naive liberals who tolerate their bullchit and make excuses for their behavior.
Kill 'em all.

[Zarak]

I hope the whole state burns to the ground.

[Sumadinac]

Personally, I'm a big fan of castration for men who commit brutal rapes such as this one. Just cut off the balls. THAT would definitely make people think twice about rape.

Wigon

And then, you became as much barbaric as the people you want to fight.

I have nothing against putting them in jail for the rest of their life, but if you had to mutilate people to punish a crime, you just became like sharia ruled countries... and you also came back to medieval times.

Emotional justice isn't justice.

[Parx400]

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.


PM Macs for help with that.


BtW, this sounds pretty normal for Richmond. The place is a complete ****ed up **** hole full of low lifes. I wont even stop for gas there on my way to the city.

[2495]

QFT, I have to deal with these ****ing morons on an almost daily basis. Not only are they violent, but so stupid it boggles the mind.

God forbid you should stand somewhere they don't like. I get **** like "ARE YOU HERE FOR A REASON MOTHER****ER?!" Uh, yeah, I work here dip****, **** off. Walking around with pants around your ankles, a durag on your head and grabbing your crotch is apparently what "gangstas" mean when talking about earning respect being a man. Or is it the murdering of cashiers at gas stations and liquor stores, or maybe its the raping of women. All very manly things to do.

You should be in charge of Justice in the USA.


Gangs kill anyone who oppose them and they terrorize the communities they reside in through murder, robbery, property destruction and rape. The prison system is now the command and control center for the gangs and gains strength every single day.

As long as these guys are incarcerated in the way that they currently are prisons will continue to be not only a recruitment center but literally the only way gang members can enhance their stature and reputation.

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

You should be POTUS.

[Gleipnir]

I hope the whole state burns to the ground.

That would be very bad for the USA considering it is the largest producer and exporter of agricultural products in the country.

[Macs.]

Gangs kill anyone who oppose them and they terrorize the communities they reside in through murder, robbery, property destruction and rape. The prison system is now the command and control center for the gangs and gains strength every single day.

As long as these guys are incarcerated in the way that they currently are prisons will continue to be not only a recruitment center but literally the only way gang members can enhance their stature and reputation.

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

If you become President, I would bid to become your Solution Czar.

[gaijinsamurai]

Hey, Macs, do you have camp we can send them to?

[Macs.]

Hey, Macs, do you have camp we can send them to?

Yeah. We had a imagine problem.

They are now renamed, I call them "God-Camps". Come in contact with your creator.

[Lugiahua]

Gangs kill anyone who oppose them and they terrorize the communities they reside in through murder, robbery, property destruction and rape. The prison system is now the command and control center for the gangs and gains strength every single day.

As long as these guys are incarcerated in the way that they currently are prisons will continue to be not only a recruitment center but literally the only way gang members can enhance their stature and reputation.

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

Are you planning to run presidency or house?
one vote for you here.

[ayanami_tard]

Gang members should be classified as domestic terrorists and should and be dealt with the same as any other terrorist.

there's RICO to handle that

[Arnie100]

The people who did nothing to help the poor girl should be arrested and thrown in jail, too!

[Antarkos]

Has anyone seen a **** site lately?
Banners popping with things like "drunk and abused", "butt ruined for life", etc.
That industry have gone downhill...

[the_13th_redneck]

If someone who was over the age of 18 tried to break it up, he could have been convicted of assaulting minors.
BFD you might say, but try getting a job with a record that says you attack "small children."
That's the sort of world we live in now.

[DC5dude]

Most **** is made in the East Bay area? Is it all the girls with Sharpie eyebrows and guys who wear sleeveless undershirts? Do tell how this is related. If you're going to conclude that **** causes ****** violence, dumb kids in a ****hole town would probably not be the best representative sample.

I was referring to California Tough guy :roll:


If someone who was over the age of 18 tried to break it up, he could have been convicted of assaulting minors.
BFD you might say, but try getting a job with a record that says you attack "small children."
That's the sort of world we live in now.

Very good point man. We definately live in a catch-22 world anymore which makes things alot harder on Law Enforcement and Military themed careers.


;4515887']Yeah, blame ****.... :roll:
Sorry I guess my comment was taken too literally. What I really meant is Cali is just a cluster**** of low lifes and generally lacks in the morality department.


Wow, u can't delete your replies on this board? That's pretty lame.

[Laworkerbee]

there's RICO to handle that

Did you not read my post? RICO only puts them in prison which has become for them a command center. Gang members look at prison as a ****ing promotion.

BTW, RICO is widely used.


Sorry I guess my comment was taken too literally. What I really meant is Cali is just a cluster**** of low lifes and generally lacks in the morality department.

Way to generalize 30+ million people you ignorant ****.


Wow, u can't delete your replies on this board? That's pretty lame.

We prefer it's kept out in the open so everyone can see when we have **** punchers around, only mods can delete posts.

[wildcat]

Did you not read my post? RICO only puts them in prison which has become for them a command center. Gang members look at prison as a ****ing promotion.

BTW, RICO is widely used.

QFT, prison, is like a school of evil learning, where they swap and teach each other, new skills to apply once they get back out.

[digrar]

Wow, u can't delete your replies on this board? That's pretty lame.

Not getting it right the first time is lame. Sort it out.

[Sand Man]

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

If evey MPNet member would clean their own corners of the world from these shi!theads we're still good, IMO.

No chance for them to infect our youths.

[gaijinsamurai]

Agree with LA Workerbee about prison for these pieces of shyte. For the average person, prison would be a terrible place, but for these people, it's just a right of passage and means to prove to their fellow gangbangers that they're paying their dues to their gang until they can get out and be back on the street.

[Geezah]

If someone who was over the age of 18 tried to break it up, he could have been convicted of assaulting minors.
BFD you might say, but try getting a job with a record that says you attack "small children."
That's the sort of world we live in now.

Castle Doctrine would sort that out, only problem is they were in a pro-victim zone........just sayin....

[wigon]

Gangs kill anyone who oppose them and they terrorize the communities they reside in through murder, robbery, property destruction and rape. The prison system is now the command and control center for the gangs and gains strength every single day.

As long as these guys are incarcerated in the way that they currently are prisons will continue to be not only a recruitment center but literally the only way gang members can enhance their stature and reputation.

Exterminate every last one of the ****ers, every last one.

You're absolutely right. Maybe volunteer militias can do the job?
Should we set up gas chambers to kill the punks? Or should we kill by more brutal methods? They are after all thugs and evil brutal people right? Maybe cut off their heads with a knife, or string them up from a tree, or draw and quarter them... always a mob favorite. You can stick the executions on pay per view site to help pay for their executions. Do we have an age limit..cuz they join gangs real young. Maybe those under 12 just get shot in the head nice and clean like? Ya gotta kill their families also cuz you know they'd be out for revenge. Then once we do that we can get some investors and bulldoze their ghettos and build some nice condos for civilized people. The whole thing can be financed privately without any taxpayer expense that way. Their bodies can be incinerated with the ashes and bones ground up to be used for fertilizer for the beautiful green lawns and gardens that will surround the condos and luxury homes. That way nothing goes to waste.

Brilliant eh?
Oh wait... we have a constitution. Never mind.


Wigon

[timetraveller]

imo the whole school should be rounded up and confined untill they break and tell the truth ..

[Gleipnir]

Sorry I guess my comment was taken too literally. What I really meant is Cali is just a cluster**** of low lifes and generally lacks in the morality department.


You don't know **** about California so spare us from your simplistic reductions, okay.
It is the most populous state and the third largest in the USA - if you think that is all a 'cluster**** of lowlifes and generally lacks in the morality department' then you need to get a reality check.
No thanks for your worthless opinion.

[Fade]

Four teens charged in alleged gang rape
By Terry Collins, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

RICHMOND, Calif. - Four teens could appear in court as early as Thursday after being charged in the alleged gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside her high school homecoming dance in Northern California.

The four - ages 15, 16, 17 and 19 - were charged Wednesday with rape and enhancements that they acted in concert, which could make them eligible for life in prison. "These are people who played a significant role in the incident," Police Lt. Mark Gagan said. "I'm confident that more arrests will be made."

Besides rape, the 19-year-old, Manuel Ortega was charged with robbery and assault causing great bodily injury. It was unknown if he had an attorney.

The other three face one count each of felony rape with a foreign object. They were charged as adults because of the severity of the crime, Gagan said. The 16-year-old also faces robbery charges.

All four remained in custody Wednesday. A fifth suspect arrested Tuesday, 21-year-old Salvador Rodriguez also remained jailed but had not been charged.

http://i37.tinypic.com/1rvo.jpg
Undated booking photo provided by the Richmond Police Department shows Manuel Ortega. (THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Richmond Police Department)
Article continued at http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/10/29/11561636-ap.html

[wigon]

KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!!!!! Come on guys join in the chant! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!

[Mr.K]

KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!!!!! Come on guys join in the chant! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!


Allllaaaaaahuu Akkkbar!

[V.I.D.]

KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!!!!! Come on guys join in the chant! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!

You're not very bright, are you? Imagine your daughter, sister or wife going through this kind of thing. Imagine her gang-rape photos or videos being later posted on the Internet. You wouldn't be so cool and morally pure then, would you?

Laworkerbee, you're the man. I wish we can apply the good old mob/lynch rule when it comes to scumbags like this. As soon as the guilt is proven beyond any doubt, give a bullet to the head for every single piece of this ****, lowlife scum. There's no better deterrent for the future "gangstaz" than this, clean and merciless.

[Rogue_Kop]

Personally, I do no think that these people will ever change. They need to be put down like the rabid animals they are.

And quite frankly, these children know that more likely than not, they will get a basic slap on the wrist and be sent on their way. Sadly I also think that society allows our children to get away with these heinous crimes. Parents refuse to parent, and call on the police, teachers, and others to raise their children.

There is no respect for your fellow citizen anymore.

[Arnie100]

Try the whole lot of 'em as adults and throw away the key!

[Laworkerbee]

You're absolutely right. Maybe volunteer militias can do the job?
Should we set up gas chambers to kill the punks? Or should we kill by more brutal methods? They are after all thugs and evil brutal people right? Maybe cut off their heads with a knife, or string them up from a tree, or draw and quarter them... always a mob favorite. You can stick the executions on pay per view site to help pay for their executions. Do we have an age limit..cuz they join gangs real young. Maybe those under 12 just get shot in the head nice and clean like? Ya gotta kill their families also cuz you know they'd be out for revenge. Then once we do that we can get some investors and bulldoze their ghettos and build some nice condos for civilized people. The whole thing can be financed privately without any taxpayer expense that way. Their bodies can be incinerated with the ashes and bones ground up to be used for fertilizer for the beautiful green lawns and gardens that will surround the condos and luxury homes. That way nothing goes to waste.

Brilliant eh?
Oh wait... we have a constitution. Never mind.


Wigon

You can dance around and make light of this deplorable situation all you want but the one thing you can't do is point at any single point of our justice system and tell me it's working against the gangs and their members. Look at the attitudes here expressed by the very people who work with this scum, LEO's and probation officers, they feel the same God damned way!

So while you may live in candyland where everything works out at the end of each episode most of us don't have that luxury, our neighborhoods are terrorized and we need real solutions where as the typical white dude in the suburbs like yourself, I guess this comes off as a big ****ing joke, I assure you it's not.

People are dying in droves everyday and nobody ****ing cares and I guess in the end it's probably because they aren't white.

[Laworkerbee]

I propose that gangs can't be tackled until the prison system is reformed. Back breaking labor in the form of chain gangs should be reintroduced; California already uses prisoners for fighting wildfires when we face man power shortages, why not use them in the fields harvesting crops? This should go a long way in alleviating our need for so many illegal immigrants as well.

Gang tattoo's should be removed in incarceration.

Gladiator schools should be removed, this means no more God damn weights, want something to do? read a God damned book, don't know how to read? take a class and learn, oh and you don't get out of prison until you get a ****ing diploma as well.

As for the incorrigibles, execute every last one of them since they have no place in our society; these men don't see people, only victims of opportunity.

Feel free to take a piss, Wigon.

[chauncy republicans]

People are dying in droves everyday and nobody ****ing cares and I guess in the end it's probably because they aren't white. Quoted for truth.
The residents (mostly black) of a certain side of the river, in my current city, were pleading for a PMC style service to help curb the insane level of violence!
They were denied, and the recent budget cuts are being aimed at the Police force.
You can sleep at night and not hear numerous gunshots on one side of the river, but not the other.

[Sumadinac]

I wish we can apply the good old mob/lynch rule when it comes to scumbags like this..

Barbaric way of mind.

People that wish such kind of "justice" disgusts me as well as rapers and murderers, this is just so primitive...

[Arnie100]

'Till it happens to YOUR kid...

[Zarak]

Barbaric way of mind.

People that wish such kind of "justice" disgusts me as well as rapers and murderers, this is just so primitive...

Primitive punishments for primitive people, its the only thing they understand.

[gazell]

KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!!!!! Come on guys join in the chant! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!

Please, be more realistic. The KILL, KILL, KILL is done by these guys on innocent victims, more often than not, on useful citizens of the community.

What LA bee says, most of that is fact.

They are proud of going to or having been to prison - often, their families are too, in Hungary, definitely so -, it's kind of a status symbol for them. Also, do come out more of a terminator, than when going in, well fed, worked out in a gymn, made plans and connections, it makes it a career move.

Quite often, a dog is more intelligent, than these kinds of people, quite often on drugs.

The system clearly sucks, what we can substitute it with is a question, but shouting at people with rationales is not gonna help, is it?

[Sumadinac]

'Till it happens to YOUR kid...

That is why justice shouldn't done by the victims. It is also the difference between civilised and non civilised societies.

[V.I.D.]

Barbaric way of mind.

People that wish such kind of "justice" disgusts me as well as rapers and murderers, this is just so primitive...

Well, it is my personal belief that in order to find the "lingua franca" with such scum, you have to get down to their level. Prolonged sentencing, packing up already crammed prisons, as stated above, will make no difference. So, either give them an education if/when possible (for minors and those capable of any social rehabilitation) or apply a suitable punishment - capital punishment. Pretty sure the level of violent crimes would suddenly start going down.

Finally, as a fellow Serb, perhaps you've been "mellowed out" with the ridiculous laws and even worse realization of the said laws in the old country/RS. Rapists and other scumbags there get 2-3 years on average and that's why the region is ****ed up. There's nothing to be afraid of anymore. A guy I personally knew and grew up with (back in the old country) got 6 years for a murder...how ridiculous is that? If there's one single thing I like about the U.S. is that you don't **** with the law - you commit the crime, you pay the price. Simple as that.

Edit: Whether you've experienced war firsthand or not, you should be able to remember how quickly our "civilized societies" became primitive, rudimentary statelets where the only law is the law of a bigger gun. So, pardon me, if I find it a bit naive to discuss "civilized" and "non-civilized" societies in such way, as there is but a fine line when discussing such vague terms as these.

[stick.up.kid]

I propose that gangs can't be tackled until the prison system is reformed. Back breaking labor in the form of chain gangs should be reintroduced; California already uses prisoners for fighting wildfires when we face man power shortages, why not use them in the fields harvesting crops? This should go a long way in alleviating our need for so many illegal immigrants as well.

Gang tattoo's should be removed in incarceration.

Gladiator schools should be removed, this means no more God damn weights, want something to do? read a God damned book, don't know how to read? take a class and learn, oh and you don't get out of prison until you get a ****ing diploma as well.

As for the incorrigibles, execute every last one of them since they have no place in our society; these men don't see people, only victims of opportunity.

Feel free to take a piss, Wigon.

The California department of corrections already removed weights from the prisoners a minute ago...they doing calisthenics up in there still.

[SBL]

People are dying in droves everyday and nobody ****ing cares and I guess in the end it's probably because they aren't white.
I wouldn't go that far. It's an out-of-sight-out-of-mind issue.
People generally don't care because most of the violence goes on in the worst parts of town, the attitude being that it's to be expected in depressed areas.

[stick.up.kid]

well, I have family members from different Varrios across different areas from West la to the IE..mostly from a certain hood in westlos. I grew up bouncing around from Ontario, Fontana, Pomona, and in west los angeles. All very active areas as far as gang activity and violence.

Most people from a gang aint some bloodthirsty animals who rape and murder random people and ****. Most who get into a varrio or set what have you are young homies who have roots in there certain neighborhood and represent where there from, every generation from a certain neighborhood represents that varrio(gang). Now being from a gang is indeed a violent scene, but most the violence is among people from gangs not the community at large. Now, on occasion do innocent people get caught up in gang violence? of course, and its a terrible, tragic thing, it shouldnt happen. But i think acting like the gangmembers are just a bunch of ruthless rapists and drug dealers who murder and rape everyone they see or that gets in there way is a pretty ridiculous.

I think alot of you would be surprised about how normal most people from gangs are. NOT everyone from a gang sells dope, NOT everyone from a gang robs people etc...most are just people who grew up in a certain area, got into there hood and represent there hood and bang on there enemies...period. And most fade away from the scene as they get older and become inactive..replaced by the next generation to represent.

I speak only of gangsters around where i grew up not in other states or in northern california...i know nothing about the gang scenes in other areas.

[Sumadinac]

well, I have family members from different Varrios across different areas from West la to the IE..mostly from a certain hood in westlos. I grew up bouncing around from Ontario, Fontana, Pomona, and in west los angeles. All very active areas as far as gang activity and violence.

Most people from a gang aint some bloodthirsty animals who rape and murder random people and ****. Most who get into a varrio or set what have you are young homies who have roots in there certain neighborhood and represent where there from, every generation from a certain neighborhood represents that varrio(gang). Now being from a gang is indeed a violent scene, but most the violence is among people from gangs not the community at large. Now, on occasion do innocent people get caught up in gang violence? of course, and its a terrible, tragic thing, it shouldnt happen. But i think acting like the gangmembers are just a bunch of ruthless rapists and drug dealers who murder and rape everyone they see or that gets in there way is a pretty ridiculous.

I think alot of you would be surprised about how normal most people from gangs are. NOT everyone from a gang sells dope, NOT everyone from a gang robs people etc...most are just people who grew up in a certain area, got into there hood and represent there hood and bang on there enemies...period. And most fade away from the scene as they get older and become inactive..replaced by the next generation to represent.

I speak only of gangsters around where i grew up not in other states or in northern california...i know nothing about the gang scenes in other areas.

I also imagine that many kids join gangs just to find a protection against other gangs... no?

[Laworkerbee]

The California department of corrections already removed weights from the prisoners a minute ago...they doing calisthenics up in there still.

Awesome news, thanks for the update.

[Laworkerbee]

That is why justice shouldn't done by the victims. It is also the difference between civilised and non civilised societies.

It is, it's done in our system of courts.

You can get off your high horse now.

[JJC]

The California department of corrections already removed weights from the prisoners a minute ago...they doing calisthenics up in there still.
Is this for real or you're joking? Years ago, some states tried to ban weights in their prison systems, but the courts shut it down. If this actually happened, the ACLU will have another win in defense of human rights of our prisoners. :roll:

[stick.up.kid]

I also imagine that many kids join gangs just to find a protection against other gangs... no?

Thats definately a reason, wantin to be apart of something, to be able to have back up if something goes down..or whatever. Young homies from a banged out area join for a multitude of reasons. For some its tradition...i know of 3 generations of family being from a certain gang. The gang thing is VERY deep in southern california. It goes back before drugs, before the shooting, before any of that. theres gangs around here that started in the 20s and even earlier.

[stick.up.kid]

Is this for real or you're joking? Years ago, some states tried to ban weights in their prison systems, but the courts shut it down. If this actually happened, the ACLU will have another win in defense of human rights of our prisoners. :roll:

Im pretty sure they removed them way back in like 99-2000 or so, here in California.

[Creampuff]

As an aside. There was a programme aired here recently, apparently the new trend in gangs is to get military experience, combat etc some even make the grade as far as tier one special forces, upon retuning to the world they then apply their knowledge on the streets.:-(

[T-5 Killer]

Gang members should be classified as domestic terrorists and should and be dealt with the same as any other terrorist.

THIS!

I wish the hammer was dropped on these POS once and for all!

[wigon]

You're not very bright, are you? Imagine your daughter, sister or wife going through this kind of thing. Imagine her gang-rape photos or videos being later posted on the Internet. You wouldn't be so cool and morally pure then, would you?

Laworkerbee, you're the man. I wish we can apply the good old mob/lynch rule when it comes to scumbags like this. As soon as the guilt is proven beyond any doubt, give a bullet to the head for every single piece of this ****, lowlife scum. There's no better deterrent for the future "gangstaz" than this, clean and merciless.


Hell yeah man I'd want to freak'n pull his guts out while he's still alive and cut his **** and balls off. Would'nt you? I'd want to see him have his innards eaten by dogs while he's still alive followed by me smashing his brains out of his skull with a sledge hammer... kinda like smashing a watermelon. Damn...that would feel AWESOME wouldn't it!!!!??? How about burning them alive real slowly or using an electric drill and put holes in non-vital parts of their body? You could make freak'n art from that!
What kinda of punishment do you think is bloody and painful enough for these muthaf*ckas???? Come on, be a man and show us what ya got!!!
Only pussy liberals think about mercy and forgiveness! Come on a clean gunshot to the head? That's total liberal crap....wait....you don't, God forbid, believe in rehabilitation of young people. Screw that BS!!!! KILL THEM! KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILLLLLLLLLLLL!




Wigon

[budgie]

They should get long, hard sentences. That's my 'pussy liberal' proposal.

[wigon]

As an aside. There was a programme aired here recently, apparently the new trend in gangs is to get military experience, combat etc some even make the grade as far as tier one special forces, upon retuning to the world they then apply their knowledge on the streets.:-(


Hellz yeah dawg.. HOmeboyz are smart yo. They knowz how to fire and maneuver and do proper recon to take out da nutha crewz moving in on da turfz....all da whilz being like perfect little white angelz with propa jobz on the white sidez of town while they be making bling bling unda cuva sell'n smack. Suckaz!!!!

:)

I've worked with gangmembers and I really do find it amuzing how ignorant mainstream America is of them. Most of them are good kids who just end up doing stupid sh*t for all kinds of reasons ranging from messed up homes to a feeling that they need to gain respect (poor self-esteem). They are locked into a culture where they haven't been shown any real alternatives. Busting that narrow world view is the key. Once you do that...even some of the most hardcore violent gangbangers can be suprisingly brilliant and interested in getting educated. They are not stupid. They just have a narrow focus on life. Yeah they can be brutal and incredibly violent. But it's all in context. They are creatures of their world which you are not part of and will never understand.
...and before you ask...yes I grew up in that environment.

Wigon

[wigon]

THIS!

I wish the hammer was dropped on these POS once and for all!


HELL YEAH!!! DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
BURN THAT COMMIE LIBERAL CRAP PIECE OF PAPER!!!!

Just say'n yo?


Wigon

[Creampuff]

I'm going to call you elvis Wigon, seems to be nothing you ain't done or been part of or can write volumes of rhetoric on which makes me want to sleep lol (joking) Hehe I like the persona youve assumed for this thread let me guess Vannila Ice? p-)

Yeah castrate the POS with a blunt razor blade i say.

[Zarak]

I've worked with gangmembers and I really do find it amuzing how ignorant mainstream America is of them. Most of them are good kids...

Being violent criminals generally excludes being a 'good kid'. You can be an apologist for them all you want, the facts are that gangs are responsible for a large number of murders in the United States, largely responsible for drug distribution on the local level (Crack, heroin, etc., which ruin lives as surely as a 9mm bullet), car theft, home invasion, rape, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I suppose you think Charlie Manson is a good guy, too? "He's just misunderstood, you're ignorant.."

[gazell]

Most people from a gang aint some bloodthirsty animals who rape and murder random people and ****. Most who get into a varrio or set what have you are young homies who have roots in there certain neighborhood and represent where there from, every generation from a certain neighborhood represents that varrio(gang). Now being from a gang is indeed a violent scene, but most the violence is among people from gangs not the community at large.
I speak only of gangsters around where i grew up not in other states or in northern california...i know nothing about the gang scenes in other areas.

We are not talking about teen friendship clubs here, who have a fight every now and then.





I've worked with gangmembers and I really do find it amuzing how ignorant mainstream America is of them. Most of them are good kids who just end up doing stupid sh*t for all kinds of reasons ranging from messed up homes to a feeling that they need to gain respect (poor self-esteem). They are locked into a culture where they haven't been shown any real alternatives. Busting that narrow world view is the key. Once you do that...even some of the most hardcore violent gangbangers can be suprisingly brilliant and interested in getting educated. They are not stupid. They just have a narrow focus on life. Yeah they can be brutal and incredibly violent. But it's all in context. They are creatures of their world which you are not part of and will never understand.
...and before you ask...yes I grew up in that environment.


Also an emotional attitude, just like the ones you blame.

Once working in the field, please tell, what is the current success rate of rehab programmes in the US?

Because in the 80ies it has become clear that nothing near what they previously claimed (80%) but more like 20%. Even that cannot be regarded as a proper scientific result, since you never can have a real control group.

Are crime rates dropping? Is recidivism dropping steadily?

We are over with the poor misunderstood myth. The subject has been over-studied. Poverty is just one driving factor, no more no less.

There is drug rehab, smoking relief, alcohol rehab, cognitive skills, informant management, education, arts, job skills, group therapy, etc., etc. A society putting this much effort into rehab, cannot possibly blamed for being barbaric and if asking where are the results, that's rightful criticism.

Maybe, would be better to put all this effort in before we have a problem.

[Skutatos]

Yeah, kids in gangs can seem like normal kids, as long as you aren't in their way. My job involves me being in their way. Especially in the last 4 months. I had to deal with them on a daily basis.

I kept track of tattoos, tagging, colors, signing, etc since they were the ones doing the most vandalism at this particular site.

I found there is three main gangs operating around that site:

Bloods(Tag: usually just "Bloodz" in their own unique alphabet)
South Side Whittier Tokers(Tag: SSW TKS X3/13/XIII)
Brown Pride Surenos (Tag: BPS X3/13/XIII)

Out of these 3 BPS was by far the worst I had to deal with. I have no sympathy for them at all. I've had them threaten to stab me, a group of 3 tried to surround me in order to do God-knows what(and I'm not just being paranoid, 1 came from my front left and tried to distract me while his two buddies went around a building to my right and came around to the rear of me, I recognized what was going on in time to get myself out of that situation), I've caught them selling drugs, tagging, and vandalizing. Ironically I was actually contracted to be at this site because a group of "young men" had forced a woman into a public bathroom at night and raped her at knifepoint...whether this gang was involved or not I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I am going to venture to guess that unless wigon is in security, law enforcement or in an actual gang, he has far less experience with gangs than many on this forum. He can keep his moral high-ground if it makes him feel better. For those of us who actually have to deal with these people...it's a very different reality.

[Sumadinac]

It is, it's done in our system of courts.

You can get off your high horse now.

Did I said the contrary?

Don't try to make me appear as an arrogant guy, you sounds way much that I am.

[Sumadinac]

Hell yeah man I'd want to freak'n pull his guts out while he's still alive and cut his **** and balls off. Would'nt you? I'd want to see him have his innards eaten by dogs while he's still alive followed by me smashing his brains out of his skull with a sledge hammer... kinda like smashing a watermelon. Damn...that would feel AWESOME wouldn't it!!!!??? How about burning them alive real slowly or using an electric drill and put holes in non-vital parts of their body? You could make freak'n art from that!
What kinda of punishment do you think is bloody and painful enough for these muthaf*ckas????
Wigon

roflroflrofl I guess that all our bloody tough guys on board would be ready to act like this, and then fs, stay psychologically sane after such an experience...

And indeed, they would have proved their moral superiority over these barbarians p-)

[Laworkerbee]

Did I said the contrary?

Don't try to make me appear as an arrogant guy, you sounds way much that I am.

Yes, in fact you did. You're not arrogant, you're ignorant. Why else would you insist on making idiotic comments about a place and subject you know nothing about?


roflroflrofl I guess that all our bloody tough guys on board

I'm not going to sit here and relay stories to some village idiot in Central Serbia who doesn't know **** all and who really just wants to yank an Americans chain whenever he can get the chance.

This is exactly what you said, I'm posting it here so you can't go back and change it.


That is why justice shouldn't done by the victims. It is also the difference between civilised and non civilised societies.

So yes Mr. High horse, that is what you said.

Now don't you have a Muslim some where you should be oppressing? piss off.

[Sumadinac]

Yes, in fact you did. You're not arrogant, you're ignorant. Why else would you insist on making idiotic comments about a place and subject you know nothing about?



I'm not going to sit here and relay stories to some village idiot in Central Serbia who doesn't know **** all and who really just wants to yank an Americans chain whenever he can get the chance.

Who said I was talking about "ameriacns"? You're not the center of the world.
And about the "who doesn't know **** all" part, I ignored that there were rapes only in the USA?

And about those sick, bloody and purely spontaneous vengeance reactions (I should rather say brainless), they are unfortunately, also common to the whole world..

And yes I am a serbian countryman, coming from a sh*thole of the balkans, with dirt on my hands and no education, but I am certainly less hateful than you, smart urban sir from the great LA.

[Gleipnir]

smart urban sir from the great LA

I see a new user title here for you, LAWB.

[Laworkerbee]

Who said I was talking about "ameriacns"? You're not the center of the world.
And about the "who doesn't know **** all" part, I ignored that there were rapes only in the USA?

And about those sick, bloody and purely spontaneous vengeance reactions (I should rather say brainless), they are unfortunately, also common to the whole world..

And yes I am a serbian countryman, coming from a sh*thole of the balkans, with dirt on my hands and no education, but I am certainly less hateful than you, smart urban sir from the great LA.

This thread is about a gang rape in California conducted by gang member, this has nothing to do with anything else asmuch as you might try to make it so.

I'm actually a pretty nice guy but I defend threads I'm serious about with a vengence.


I see a new user title here for you, LAWB.

I guess it's better than calling me a scarf wearing homo****** which is what I'm used too.

[Geezah]

^What he said................

Didn't you have a problem a while back with gangs going spastic in the area you live or lived?

[Sumadinac]

So yes Mr. High horse, that is what you said.

Indeed I said it, and what's wrong with that? A victim cannot be objective in any case and justice have to be neutral. As far I can remember, the last country were justice were done by the victims was Afghanistan.. before US intervention.



Now don't you have a Muslim some where you should be oppressing? piss off.

just wow.

You really have a lot of hate in you, I won't even loose my time to report your flaming comments, it's already sad enough for you to think like that.

[Geezah]

I won't even loose my time to report your flaming comments, it's already sad enough for you to think like that.

I doubt you would get much support................

[Elbs]

I guess it's better than calling me a scarf wearing homo****** which is what I'm used too.

Hey, takes a real man to rock a scarf :)

[Laworkerbee]

^What he said................

Didn't you have a problem a while back with gangs going spastic in the area you live or lived?

Quite a few shootings but the worst was two months ago when a young boy and his girlfriend were pulled from the street on their way home from school. He was beaten and she was raped, the crime, he refused the gangs advances (MS-13).

Drive by shooting on my street a few months ago - 7.62X39mm and 5.56mm casings littered the ground.

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[stick.up.kid]

yeh, MS is known for that kind of crap. Thats why they dont get much respect among the older more traditional gangs. MS is made up of mostly paisas, illegal immigrants, in contrast to most the chicano gangs in the LA area who have deep roots in there neighborhoods..etc.

[Mastermind]

My wife's uncle lived in Richmond and we used to vist him occassionally back in the 80's...it was really a nice place...working class, nice working family houses and neighborhoods..well kept. We always felt safe. He died and we quit going in the 90's and it was already becoming seedy...it was "ethnicity" moving in and the neighborhoods all went straight to blazes...we tried to get him to move but he insisted it was still good. Up until he died, we would still go visit, but left the kids at home with grandma.

[Laworkerbee]

yeh, MS is known for that kind of crap. Thats why they dont get much respect among the older more traditional gangs. MS is made up of mostly paisas, illegal immigrants, in contrast to most the chicano gangs in the LA area who have deep roots in there neighborhoods..etc.

I live in Eagle Rock with is home turf to the "Avenues" gang who happen to hold great sway in the prison system, Iused to be friendly with a family of 3rd generation Avenues bangers, nice people but they attracted trouble like the pictures shown above.

The first night they lit up the house occupied by the family, the next night one of their cars. The family moved and it's been pretty quiet on the block since.

You're spot on. MS-13 is making some advances here but for the most part are held off by the old school Chicano's who still command respect in this part of Los Angeles, we don't have many illegals here which is why I suspect MS-13's pull isn't that large.


My wife's uncle lived in Richmond and we used to vist him occassionally back in the 80's...it was really a nice place...working class, nice working family houses and neighborhoods..well kept. We always felt safe. He died and we quit going in the 90's and it was already becoming seedy...it was "ethnicity" moving in and the neighborhoods all went straight to blazes...we tried to get him to move but he insisted it was still good. Up until he died, we would still go visit, but left the kids at home with grandma.

Reminds me of Gran Torino..

[stick.up.kid]

We are not talking about teen friendship clubs here, who have a fight every now and then.



Of course not. Although thats how most of the old school Chicano gangs around here started, or as football teams, baseball teams, car clubs or what have you.

Like i said, its definately not some peaceful scene. Its very violent, ive lost family and friends to it, i've been hit up many times, twice with guns drawn, with "where you from?". But like i said...the vast majority of the violence is against each other. You play you pay.

[stick.up.kid]

Yeah, Iv'e heard of the Aves. They definately got a lot of Big homies in the system to keep them from getting in much trouble for all the **** they do.

OVS Black Angels out in the Inland Empire is like them. Has so much sway in the upper levels, in the politics they can get away with anything without catchin the verde.

[LEGEND]

Quite a few shootings but the worst was two months ago when a young boy and his girlfriend were pulled from the street on their way home from school. He was beaten and she was raped, the crime, he refused the gangs advances (MS-13).

Drive by shooting on my street a few months ago - 7.62X39mm and 5.56mm casings littered the ground.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4347/40/86/1771515176/n1771515176_20802_4040734.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4347/40/86/1771515176/n1771515176_20804_2319316.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4347/40/86/1771515176/n1771515176_20803_1727676.jpg

This is offtopic, but why so few bullet holes if 5.56 and 7.62 casings littered the ground? Was this bmw the target? Must have been shooting gangsta style.

[Skutatos]

This is offtopic, but why so few bullet holes if 5.56 and 7.62 casings littered the ground? Was this bmw the target? Must have been shooting gangsta style.

Well they aren't exactly known for their marksmanship.

[seraosha]

I really don't miss SoCal at all.
Granted, SD didn't have as many gangs, and this was back in the 80s, but the kids I knew in gangs back then wouldn't have done that kind of thing to a local girl...they were about family, and the neighborhoods, and protecting their sisters and God forbid someone hassle their Moms.

But this kind of thing can happen anywhere now days.
Poor girl. God, imagine how her dad feels.
I'd kill the entire family of each and everyone of those animals, scorched earth doesn't come close.

[stick.up.kid]

I really don't miss SoCal at all.
Granted, SD didn't have as many gangs, and this was back in the 80s, but the kids I knew in gangs back then wouldn't have done that kind of thing to a local girl...they were about family, and the neighborhoods, and protecting their sisters and God forbid someone hassle their Moms.

But this kind of thing can happen anywhere now days.
Poor girl. God, imagine how her dad feels.
I'd kill the entire family of each and everyone of those animals, scorched earth doesn't come close.


For the most part thats still true...Most homeboys from somewhere wouldnt do some **** like that to a girl.

Was this even gang related? where were these dudes from? Were the dudes who did this from a gang? or is it speculation...i havent been keeping up much with this.

I read a comment earlier in here about this possibly "being a gang initiation"..wich i doubt..but i dont kno how they do it up north. Maybe there a bunch of lames up there.

As far as down here in southern cali among gangs...Rape is not really accepted behavior...its not like its normal for gangmembers around here to go around raping girls and **** lol.

[Laworkerbee]

This is offtopic, but why so few bullet holes if 5.56 and 7.62 casings littered the ground? Was this bmw the target? Must have been shooting gangsta style.

The house in the background (not associated with the owners of the car) was riddled while everyone was at home, it was a miracle nobody was hit.

[V.I.D.]

Yes, in fact you did. You're not arrogant, you're ignorant. Why else would you insist on making idiotic comments about a place and subject you know nothing about?



I'm not going to sit here and relay stories to some village idiot in Central Serbia who doesn't know **** all and who really just wants to yank an Americans chain whenever he can get the chance.

This is exactly what you said, I'm posting it here so you can't go back and change it.



So yes Mr. High horse, that is what you said.

Now don't you have a Muslim some where you should be oppressing? piss off.

That was really unneeded, Laworkerbee. I understand that someone really pushed your buttons, but this is wrong on so many levels. First of all, not everyone (or every Serb for that matter) is about yanking American chain and second, even worse, when did the Serbs (especially from central Serbia) oppress any of their Muslim countrymen? I know you don't typically show this kind of attitude here (throwing ignorant cliches around, especially false ones), so this really came as a shock to me.

Having said that, there's no point debating real-life issues with idealistic, pseudo-liberal adolescents. Neither one of them had mentioned the concept of personal (parental also) and legal responsibility, everything gets blamed on "tough upbringing and tradition". Everything is black & white to them - just look at Wigon's responses, that's beyond laughable. Of course, if the topic weren't tragic one to start with.

[Arnie100]

V.I.D., here ya go: http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm

[V.I.D.]

V.I.D., here ya go: http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm

Don't attempt to teach me my own history, I lived through it while you had your afternoon Cafe Latte's. For starters, the updated figures talk about 100,000 dead on all three sides. For goodbyes, read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp if you want to debate genocide. Finally, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand so shut the hell up if you have nothing smarter to say. Stick with what you probably know the best: sports and cars.

[Podman]

Don't attempt to teach me my own history, I lived through it while you had your afternoon Cafe Late's. For starters, the updated figures talk about 100,000 dead on all three sides. For goodbyes, read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp if you want to debate genocide. Finally, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand so shut the hell up if you have nothing smarter to say. Stick with what you probably know the best: sports and cars.

Sucks for you. But the post was about gang violence in California so it's entirely irrelevant to Serbia. Go back to what you know best...whatever that is.

[Cipher]

Wow, it looks like these kids are going to get raped in San Quieten.


Quoted for truth.
The residents (mostly black) of a certain side of the river, in my current city, were pleading for a PMC style service to help curb the insane level of violence!
They were denied, and the recent budget cuts are being aimed at the Police force.
You can sleep at night and not hear numerous gunshots on one side of the river, but not the other.
Detroit?

[Cipher]

I've worked with gangmembers and I really do find it amuzing how ignorant mainstream America is of them. Most of them are good kids who just end up doing stupid sh*t for all kinds of reasons ranging from messed up homes to a feeling that they need to gain respect (poor self-esteem).
I went to high school with these gangsta people and they're huge douches. Most of them dropped out before senior year and the ones that graduated acted like it was such a big deal to graduate from freaking high school.

[stick.up.kid]

Wow, it looks like these kids are going to get raped in San Quieten.


Detroit?

lol..they better hope they dont get celled up with this fool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQGhkOGsnU

[Cipher]

lol..they better hope they dont get celled up with this fool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQGhkOGsnU
Back in middle and high school, a lot of my friends were out doing retarded things and some of them got sent to juvie. The fear of prison rape was kind of a deciding factor for me to stay on the light side and focus on school. :)

[Geezah]

lol..they better hope they dont get celled up with this fool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQGhkOGsnU

One can only hope............

[Sumadinac]

Having said that, there's no point debating real-life issues with idealistic, pseudo-liberal adolescents..

Indeed, and calling for lynchings, total extermination, balls cuttings, etc, due to an irrational and blinded hate caused by the immediate emotion is way much more mature..


Those who want the application of the death penalty for such crimes do not want it so much for the victims justice, they especially want to relieve the anger and the fury that the savagery of the crime has made born in them.

It is a total ignorance of what can be a severe punishment, to kill somebody is far from being the worst punishment, once died, the criminal does not suffer any more, in a certain way, it is an easy way out for him.

If you really want to punish somebody, lock him in jail for the rest of his life, the psychological suffering that it will cause him will be much more painful than the short moments of a death sentence.

Furthermore, this solution presents a double advantage; the society will not have lost its dignity by going down to the same level that the criminal and by having in his turn a person's blood on the hands.

[V.I.D.]

Indeed, and calling for lynchings, total extermination, balls cuttings, etc, due to an irrational and blinded hate caused by the immediate emotion is way much more mature..


Those who want the application of the death penalty for such crimes do not want it so much for the victims justice, they especially want to relieve the anger and the fury that the savagery of the crime has made born in them.

It is a total ignorance of what can be a severe punishment, to kill somebody is far from being the worst punishment, once died, the criminal does not suffer any more, in a certain way, it is an easy way out for him.

If you really want to punish somebody, lock him in jail for the rest of his life, the psychological suffering that it will cause him will be much more painful than the short moments of a death sentence.

Furthermore, this solution presents a double advantage; the society will not have lost its dignity by going down to the same level that the criminal and by having in his turn a person's blood on the hands.

Lynching (other terms I did not use) was obviously a figure of speech, you'll recall I suggested a bullet in the head for those beyond social rehabilitation. A clean, effective solution. Having them spend the entire life in prison is NOT a good solution, it's a drain on that society they already don't contribute at all. Finally, it'd be a nice deterrent for future violent rapists and scum like that. Like the common folk says "give'em a dose of their own medicine".

You have good intentions, but it is the realization of (natural) justice where you and I differ. Imagine something like this happening to your sister, mother or wife. What level of punishment would satisfy and what level of punishment would make you take the justice into your own hands? Being concerned about their unfortunate upbringing would probably not cross your mind then, right. After all, some of us have had even more difficult childhood, but it did not turn us into sadistic idiots with primitive mentality. Personal responsibility is the key term here, poor parenting or not.

[Sumadinac]

What level of punishment would satisfy and what level of punishment would make you take the justice into your own hands?

Honeslty, I would wish him spending the rest of his life in a 5 m2 cell, without windows, without visits, without the light of the sun. Believe me, I would personnally prefer death to such a "life". Don't you?

About the "personnal responsability", I absolutely agree with you, no problem.

[Laworkerbee]

That was really unneeded, Laworkerbee. I understand that someone really pushed your buttons, but this is wrong on so many levels. First of all, not everyone (or every Serb for that matter) is about yanking American chain and second, even worse, when did the Serbs (especially from central Serbia) oppress any of their Muslim countrymen? I know you don't typically show this kind of attitude here (throwing ignorant cliches around, especially false ones), so this really came as a shock to me.

You're totally right and I would like to apologize to all of my Serb brothers out there for that cheap shot, hell I even apologize to the douche I wrote it to cause it was wrong to say.

[Sumadinac]

hell I even apologize to the douche I wrote it to cause it was wrong to say.

Thanks for insulting, it goes better and better. :roll:

[V.I.D.]

Thanks for insulting, it goes better and better. :roll:

Laworkerbee is one of the rare kind of well-balanced guys out there, not to mention his vocal support for Serbs when it was needed (Kosovo seccession, etc.). This is not to say that Serbs can't be wrong (often quite the opposite, of course), but he's always been a cool guy in my book and that's not even the topic here. Bottom line is, everyone can react overly emotional to things that bother him, hell, who's not been guilty of this? My advice would be (I know you didn't ask for one) - don't take everything so personal.

Laworkerbee, all's forgiven on my part. I'm sure it's not easy to deal & live with the same kind of crap (gangs, crimes, violence in SoCal) day in and day out. Let's just hope things get better and all the assholes involved in this get the punishment they deserve.

[Sumadinac]

My advice would be (I know you didn't ask for one) - don't take everything so personal..

I sincerely don't care about what he can think about serbia or serbs, he could hate all of us, I really wouldn't give a fvck.

But one thing I really hate is being insulted, so yeah, I take it very personnally. Brother.

For my part I won't continue to post about this affair over here, the thread already derailed a lot, I just wanted to give you my answer.

[AmaStrat]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

[gazell]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

Honestly, where isn't? Are you a nun or something?

[Arnie100]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

Blame the victim again. :cantbeli:And how do you know she went outside to have ***? Someone tell you?

[California Joe]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

Seriously, shut the f*ck up or I'll permaban you.

[HGRazorR]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

F-ing sakes, man! What century were you born in? I'm guessing the 19th :roll:

[Zarak]

F-ing sakes, man! What century were you born in? I'm guessing the 19th :roll:

Maybe he's that 117 year old Somali?

[MJC9678]

What some of you dont realize is that she got herself in trouble. She was drinking and most likely went outside to have *** with at least one guy. She didnt realize that more people would join in, and that it would turn into a spectacle. Black men and women, boys and girls are ****e to have ****** acts at almost any time, *** in black communities is regular part of life on par with sleeping at night.

So far most reports are that this girl was very shy in general, was a church goer, and not the"type" you speak of at all. I for one suggest a good old fashion lynching and hanging in this case, but then again, I am biased. I am a lawyer....lol.

[Arnie100]

From what I've been able to find by checking different sources, is that the three kids involved got charged as adults and that the DA wants life sentences for all involved. Unfortunately, the people who watched, won't get charged with anything.

[NUCKINFUTS]

I went to high school with these gangsta people and they're huge douches. Most of them dropped out before senior year and the ones that graduated acted like it was such a big deal to graduate from freaking high school.

A lot of kids that went to my middle school made a big deal about graduating from middle school. One of my friends used to play really good basketball but after graduating middle school at the age of 17 he didn't go to high school. It's not nothing new the majority of parents who live in my neighborhood haven't barely even made it past high school, my generation will probably be the first to reach college level where I live.

[SBL]

Unfortunately, the people who watched, won't get charged with anything.
I imagine it would be pretty hard to get a conviction in those particular cases.

[Jaeger07]

I imagine it would be pretty hard to get a conviction in those particular cases.

In my country it is a crime to not help a victim in a dire situation. It is also a crime to not report an act of rape to the police. I'm guessing you have something similar in the US.

Lack of evidence is probably a factor here, but to my understanding there were pictures and video taken with cellphones. Should not be impossible to convict the bystanders, who in my eyes are almost as despicable as the rapists.

[California Joe]

A lot of kids that went to my middle school made a big deal about graduating from middle school. One of my friends used to play really good basketball but after graduating middle school at the age of 17 he didn't go to high school. It's not nothing new the majority of parents who live in my neighborhood haven't barely even made it past high school, my generation will probably be the first to reach college level where I live.

I graduated High School at 17...I don't know what kind of short bus school lets you be in Middle School at 17...

[Zoomie]

I imagine it would be pretty hard to get a conviction in those particular cases.
Not if you have the proper evidence - ie video or photographic proof of them being at the scene, ot the same kind of footage that the person captured of this crime taking place.

[AmaStrat]

Honestly, where isn't? Are you a nun or something?


Well, i used to go to a predominately black high school. BLack high school kids talked about ****** positions and what they did to their bfriend/gfriend like people talk about weather, and for anyone to hear.
I am not racists in any way, and i have nothing against blacks, i actually know this because i have black friends, but blacks are more promiscuous than whites, its a fact.

[AmaStrat]

Blame the victim again. :cantbeli:And how do you know she went outside to have ***? Someone tell you?

Why do you go to dances/clubs/bars and have drinks? Youre not serious are you?

[AmaStrat]

Seriously, shut the f*ck up or I'll permaban you.

For voicing my opinion or being insensitive? I assure you i feel the girl's pain, but they have to take steps to prevent such incidents themselves.

[AmaStrat]

So far most reports are that this girl was very shy in general, was a church goer, and not the"type" you speak of at all. I for one suggest a good old fashion lynching and hanging in this case, but then again, I am biased. I am a lawyer....lol.

I might be totally wrong about what i said, but im saying that it couldve been the case. I worked with black kids at the post office, and i knew a church going guy who says that he thought that he followed everything the church required him to do except for being abstinent, cuz he said he cant stop having *** even for one day.

[Mastermind]

Even way back in the Stone Age when I was in school, there were gals who would hike up the skirt in the locker area for a lousy two bucks...guys would be lined up. And, no one was caught or squeeled and, apparently, the gals doing it, though considered total 'skanks" seemed to love it. They always had dough, too. Even some teachers were getting it. And that was in the days of bobby sox, Elvis and penny loafers...Sacramento Calif. Those gals have always known how to use their "charms"


Now, don't get all bushy tailed on me...I'm not in any way condoning rape...I consider it horrible. But, looking at the vid about the so-called "Rape Clubs", checking out the faces of the gals...puh-leeze! They know what's coming down the pike. It's not exactly like they are walking home alone from a Sunday school ice cream social and a bunch of Rastafarians jump on them from a dark alley.

[NUCKINFUTS]

I graduated High School at 17...I don't know what kind of short bus school lets you be in Middle School at 17...

I know an almost 21 year old who is in the shop class across from me in my high school. NY Dept. of Ed is sh!t, when I had algebra we were learning how to distributive property in high school !, something I learned in elementary.

[California Joe]

Wow, that's f*cked up.

[XShipRider]

Ah the gangsta culture just seems to grow and grow. There once was a time when a couple of decent, upstanding students would have gone for help if not themselves jumped in to stop the madness. Expect more of this sickness to spread to other communities.

No doubt the victim will be labeled a whore while the perp's get new tat's memorializing the event. What a world we live in.

[the_13th_redneck]

With all this stuff going on, you gotta communicate with your kids...

[Mastermind]

Actually, with all this stuff going on, if my kids were still of school age, I would wade through snapping alligators before I would let them go to public school. We would absolutely, no doubt, home school them.

[Rogue_Kop]

Actually, with all this stuff going on, if my kids were still of school age, I would wade through snapping alligators before I would let them go to public school. We would absolutely, no doubt, home school them.


what about a private school?

[Mastermind]

what about a private school?
What ever it takes...I would rather deny my kids a formal education in public school than have them exposed to some of the crap that is going on in schools here in the USA today.

My next door neighbor's boy is in high school now...we have followed his education since he was 7. Recently, he had to move in with his grandparent due to his mother becoming very ill. He had to change schools. Recently, he came back home...the things this good kid told me about the school he had to go to just chilled me. Two of his friends were shot in school! This is here in Las Vegas, Nevada...very modern schools. But, last year we had an invasion of gangs...kids were actually being shot while riding on school buses...news almost daily of kids being arrested with guns on campus...and shooting were very common...most of it drug related and collateral from "misses" in drug shoot-outs. The cops still do not have it under control. This boy told me that because he is white, he is under constant threat and entire areas of his school, including the cafeteria are strictly off limits to him...he says he dares not go into the gym or the lockers...says even teachers don't go to some areas without security escort. What the hell?

Is this what it has come to?

No...absolutely no fvcking way would I ever knowingly expose my kids to something like that....No way in hell!

[the_13th_redneck]

Yeah... public schools seem like a friggin' battleground now.
You can home school them, or if you have relatives abroad, give them intensive courses over the summer or some other arrangement.
That's probably what I'll be doing.
You know why this is? It's because of the belief that kids cannot do wrong. I find it surprisingly insane how many people believe this. Obviously they either don't have children or are about as perseptive as used sand paper.