McHugh: Army can handle lift of gay ban

[Soldat_Américain]

McHugh: Army can handle lift of gay ban



By Rick Maze (rmaze@atpco.com?subject=Question%20from%20ArmyTimes.com%20reader) - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Oct 27, 2009 17:12:39 EDT
Army Secretary John McHugh, who spent 17 years in Congress as a Republican lawmaker before being asked to head the Army by a Democrat administration, finds himself at the center of debate over President Barack Obama’s pledge to try to repeal the military’s ban on service by openly homo****** people and the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that is part of the controversial idea. He shared his views on the issue in an exclusive interview with Army Times.


When he was in Congress, McHugh carefully avoided giving his personal views on the issue, and as secretary, he continues to avoid voicing his opinion, saying his job is now to provide input to the president on how to make the change and to talk with members of Congress.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_mchugh_dadt_102709w/

And yes I know we've discussed this topic to death now, but it sounds like we'll be getting closer to letting openly gays serve in the Army.

[JJHH]

That “don’t ask, don’t tell”-policy is so ****ing ridiculous. Army should be ashamed..

[megjur]

Stupid idea. In the middle of a growing war, with recruitment already struggling to meet goals, the liberals are once again going to treat the military like a social experiment and allow openly homo****** sodomites to enter the military. This will have a negative effect of those people who would normally want to chose the military. Having effeminate people or those who openly and proudly claim that they wish to engage on anal *** with other men bunking and showering with the other soldiers will just lead to problems, conflicts and eventually violence...it's bound to happen. These degenerates not only want to engage in anal *** with each other, they want everyone to know what they do and to accept it. Why not just stick with don't ask don't tell and keep your ****** deviancies to yourself.

[Gleipnir]

Cool stereotypes, bro. Actually **** that- you're no brother of mine.

[Eknytz]

Stupid idea. In the middle of a growing war, with recruitment already struggling to meet goals, the liberals are once again going to treat the military like a social experiment and allow openly homo****** sodomites to enter the military. This will have a negative effect of those people who would normally want to chose the military. Having effeminate people or those who openly and proudly claim that they wish to engage on anal *** with other men bunking and showering with the other soldiers will just lead to problems, conflicts and eventually violence...it's bound to happen. These degenerates not only want to engage in anal *** with each other, they want everyone to know what they do and to accept it. Why not just stick with don't ask don't tell and keep your ****** deviancies to yourself.

Despite how politically incorrect that sounds, he's right.

Both Prisoners and Correctional officers are quoted with the following advice to new inmates "stay away from the homo******s"

[MaverickCowboy]

Despite how politically incorrect that sounds, he's right.

Both Prisoners and Correctional officers are quoted with the following advice to new inmates "stay away from the homo******s"

so you are convinced homo******s are incapable of being professional?

[chauncy republicans]

So it's not enough for them to serve, they need to have the right to shove their lifestyles in every body's faces. Sounds really practical during a time of war.

[MaverickCowboy]

So it's not enough for them to serve, they need to have the right to shove their lifestyles in every body's faces. Sounds really practical during a time of war.someone i know
was kicked out of the airforce because some chick he turned down found out he was gay by snooping around. He always kept it under wraps up until that chick (higher rank) came along.

he was'nt shoving in anyones face. He's "married" not legally, to a man. had 3 tours in Iraq.

why should he lose his job? because hes gay?

[chauncy republicans]

Of course not! What the hell is wrong with you? Try to come up with a legitimate example next time, this is obviously an issue regarding a soldiers right to privacy, which some higher ranking 'chick' violated.

[MaverickCowboy]

Of course not! What the hell is wrong with you? Try to come up with a legitimate example next time, this is obviously an issue regarding a soldiers right to privacy, which some higher ranking 'chick' violated.

No one is shoving their lifestyles in anyones face. all that is speculation. if someone is shoving 'their' lifestyle in others faces thats misconduct. I'm pretty sure if a female an male started making out on base they would get in trouble.

this soldier was released because of his orientation. thats how this policy is being abused. its getting useful resourceful people fired for no reason.

[chauncy republicans]

Cool story brah, just keep pedaling for your liberal masters you watch on TV, they'll get pissed if you don't keep the momentum up.

[MaverickCowboy]

Cool story brah, just keep pedaling for your liberal masters you watch on TV, they'll get pissed if you don't keep the momentum up.

I'm ****in Republican you asshole.

[megjur]

someone i know
was kicked out of the airforce because some chick he turned down found out he was gay by snooping around. He always kept it under wraps up until that chick (higher rank) came along.

he was'nt shoving in anyones face. He's "married" not legally, to a man. had 3 tours in Iraq.

why should he lose his job? because hes gay?

Story sounds contrived to say the least. The example you cite...the guy knew the rules when he signed up, he knew the consequences should he be found out..tough sh*t.
The average young man thinking about entering the military is not all that open to homo******s in the first place and no amount of "sensitivity" training is going to overcome the natural aversion most hetero****** men have towards home******s....like Michael Scott said in The Office "The company has made it my responsibility to put an end to 100,000 years of people being weirded out by gays".....funny cause there's a lot of truth to that. Men having *** with men is to most hetero******s, particularly those who have a mind to serve in the military, is abhorent, disgusting and creepy. If homo******s wish to put their ***** into the anus of another man, cause that what they do, well thats their business...but most people are getting tired of the "gay community" forcing them to accept such disgusting behavior as "normal"

Here's a "story"...I knew this guy, and he was a really great Lieutenant, but he had an affair with this really hot female private, and she was married..now he got kicked out of the army...why should he lose his job?...why? because he broke the rules...just like your homo****** friend did.

[chauncy republicans]

I'm ****in Republican you asshole.

Whats that got to do with anything? Over the last nine years you ****ers doubled the size of the Federal Government, and arbitrarily committed crimes against the Constitution, how does that not make you a liberal?

[MaverickCowboy]

Whats that got to do with anything? Over the last nine years you ****ers doubled the size of the Federal Government, and arbitrarily committed crimes against the Constitution, how does that not make you a liberal?

What are you smoking? I never ****ing voted for any of that ****.

[MaverickCowboy]

Story sounds contrived to say the least. The example you cite...the guy knew the rules when he signed up, he knew the consequences should he be found out..tough sh*t.
The average young man thinking about entering the military is not all that open to homo******s in the first place and no amount of "sensitivity" training is going to overcome the natural aversion most hetero****** men have towards home******s....like Michael Scott said in The Office "The company has made it my responsibility to put an end to 100,000 years of people being weirded out by gays".....funny cause there's a lot of truth to that. Men having *** with men is to most hetero******s, particularly those who have a mind to serve in the military, is abhorent, disgusting and creepy. If homo******s wish to put their ***** into the anus of another man, cause that what they do, well thats their business...but most people are getting tired of the "gay community" forcing them to accept such disgusting behavior as "normal"

Here's a "story"...I knew this guy, and he was a really great Lieutenant, but he had an affair with this really hot female private, and she was married..now he got kicked out of the army...why should he lose his job?...why? because he broke the rules...just like your homo****** friend did.

guess you have a point. i still think being fired for being found out is ridiculous. tho how would he have broken the rules?

[Dominique]

Stupid idea. In the middle of a growing war, with recruitment already struggling to meet goals,

Actually the Army is exceeding its recruiting goals, and is headed toward one of its best years ever.

[chauncy republicans]

What are you smoking? I never ****ing voted for any of that ****.
Well then I'm sorry if I characterized you incorrectly.

[Gleipnir]

Seems to happen to you a lot Chauncy-- thought you'd maybe have learned by now. Anyways, cool flames.

Megjur- you want to stop speaking for 'most hetero******s', you're making them look bad.

[MaverickCowboy]

Still trying to figure out how this soldier broke the rules, got fired. even tho he did not tell or ask.

he broke the rules by being gay?

[chauncy republicans]

Seems to happen to you a lot Chauncy-- thought you'd maybe have learned by now. Anyways, cool flames.


Wow, I didn't know my ass looked so appealing to you. I mean following me around an internet forum, not engaging in the discussion yet finding time to troll me makes me believe you want to my attention. Sorry little fella but I've got a lady.

[MaverickCowboy]

Wow, I didn't know my ass looked so appealing to you. I mean following me around an internet forum, not engaging in the discussion yet finding time to troll me makes me believe you want to my attention. Sorry little fella but I've got a lady.

Dude what is your problem seriously?

[Gleipnir]

Hahaha, don't worry about good ol' boy Chauncy over there. He loves flaming and baiting. He's a funny guy.

[MaverickCowboy]

Hahaha, don't worry about good ol' boy Chauncy over there. He loves flaming and baiting. He's a funny guy.

I think he does drugs before logging on. lol

[Gleipnir]

Nah, he just suffers from ****faceitis

[LineDoggie]

Seems to happen to you a lot Chauncy-- thought you'd maybe have learned by now. Anyways, cool flames.

Megjur- you want to stop speaking for 'most hetero******s', you're making them look bad.
Says the guy who has a 80% ***** thread history :roll:

[manberries]

For those of you unaware, the military has been running tests regarding open gays and direct combat females in a unit. In fact, both Russia/USSR and the US did many tests regarding this. Each one showed a significant decrease in the effectiveness and trust between the squad members. More so in the case of gay than females. Google will at the very least get you to the unclassified KGB reports on it. The military is not the place to argue over our cultural disputes. So long as reports state that gays hurt the effectiveness of the military, they do not belong there. This is not an argument but a fact. A soldier shouldn't die so that gays can feel better about themselves.

[chauncy republicans]

Nah, he just suffers from ****faceitis
At least I don't get my ass kicked for looking gay little fella.

[megjur]

Still trying to figure out how this soldier broke the rules, got fired. even tho he did not tell or ask.

he broke the rules by being gay?

Yes...the military forbids homo******s from serving..thats why they have don't ask don't tell. They can't ask you if you are homo******, you, however, can't be found out to be homo******, whether you tell them or someone else does.
This isn't just being discriminatory becuase the military doesn't like homo******s..it's based on many years of studies that show that openly homo****** people would hurt unit cohesion. Remember, it was only in 1973 that the American Psychiatric Association removed homo******ity from its list of mental disorders..and that was because of pressure from pro homo****** groups, not on a basic change in the medicine.
To the others like Gleipnir, who think it's odd to oppose homo******s in the military..good for you..you can tolerate those who engage in anal *** with each other and wish to "marry"..but there are many others who find such behavior repugnant. Why, if the homo******s demand to be treated like everyone else, do they have their gay pride parades? Why not have a parade of people acting and dressing normally instead of the over the top weirdness on display at every parade..yet the chant of "accept us, we're normal" is echoed by the gay rights groups.

[Gleipnir]

Show me the statistics, Linedoggie and I'll give you that one.
Unfortunately, I think you are wrong.
Anyways, I've argued this topic enough- if anyone is interested search the forums.

I believe in professional conduct, straight or gay. I'm not even against DADT, per se.
What I am against are all these crappy arguments that gays are exclusively immoral, degenerate *** fiends and that everyone is grossed out by them.
Homo******s are similar to hetero******s in that they have different beliefs, morals and values. Some are perverts, some aren't. Painting them all with the same broad brush is reductive and ignorant in my opinion.

[little icebear]

Despite how politically incorrect that sounds, he's right.


It´s not the first time that I have to to cope with the fact, that the term "politically incorrect" has somehow become a synonym for "reactionary and retarded".

[wigon]

Story sounds contrived to say the least. The example you cite...the guy knew the rules when he signed up, he knew the consequences should he be found out..tough sh*t.
The average young man thinking about entering the military is not all that open to homo******s in the first place and no amount of "sensitivity" training is going to overcome the natural aversion most hetero****** men have towards home******s....like Michael Scott said in The Office "The company has made it my responsibility to put an end to 100,000 years of people being weirded out by gays".....funny cause there's a lot of truth to that. Men having *** with men is to most hetero******s, particularly those who have a mind to serve in the military, is abhorent, disgusting and creepy. If homo******s wish to put their ***** into the anus of another man, cause that what they do, well thats their business...but most people are getting tired of the "gay community" forcing them to accept such disgusting behavior as "normal"

Here's a "story"...I knew this guy, and he was a really great Lieutenant, but he had an affair with this really hot female private, and she was married..now he got kicked out of the army...why should he lose his job?...why? because he broke the rules...just like your homo****** friend did.


You do know that the Spartans almost all to a man engaged in homo****** *** right? If you read up on Spartan history it was essentially a homo****** society where *** with boys was part of male "bonding" as they paired the younger men with the older warrior to "teach him the ways". Women were seen as nothing more then a tool to make new warriors and keep their culture alive (and oddly enough had quite a bit more political power then other Greek women in other city states).

Yes its disgusting from our moral point of view...but it's the fact and its helarious how people today think the Spartan's were the most manly men ever to walk the earth when in fact they were the most ass-kicking (and sticking) faggots to ever walk the earth.
LOL!

But seriously, as someone who was in the Army, having an openly gay soldier in the unit was never a problem as long as they DID NOT harrass any other soldier, had *** in the barracks, or do anything to otherwise disrupt unit cohesion. I had a squad member in basic training who was flaming gay, and we just made fun of him. lol. He didn't harrass any of us and we just teased him and made sure he pulled his weight. Other then that, it was not a problem. If he was caught banging some other dude, we'd just have a "Soap in a sock" party (which we did with a barracks thief once) as a from of quick Army justice that resolves things fairly quickly without anyone getting seriously hurt. End of problem. We were all pretty secure in our masculinity so we didn't care about showering with him unless he tried any physical contact (which he never did). Instead we had a hell of a laugh when someone dropped the soap when he was around in the showers. lol!

It's the same when you catch a hetero****** dude wacking off in the barracks or in the field near the rest of you. You beat the **** out of him. Problem solved. I've always liked the way the Army does things and keeps everyone inline in a unit with good soldiers and good leaders. It's a straightforward common sense warrior approach to things.
Now Lesbians...we LOVED them in the Army cuz they were real ass kickers! The more butch the better! Real "HooaH" soldiers. Plus you can hang out with them off-duty and check out girls together at the bar.
:)

Wigon

[MaverickCowboy]

Yes...the military forbids homo******s from serving..thats why they have don't ask don't tell. They can't ask you if you are homo******, you, however, can't be found out to be homo******, whether you tell them or someone else does.
This isn't just being discriminatory becuase the military doesn't like homo******s..it's based on many years of studies that show that openly homo****** people would hurt unit cohesion. Remember, it was only in 1973 that the American Psychiatric Association removed homo******ity from its list of mental disorders..and that was because of pressure from pro homo****** groups, not on a basic change in the medicine.
To the others like Gleipnir, who think it's odd to oppose homo******s in the military..good for you..you can tolerate those who engage in anal *** with each other and wish to "marry"..but there are many others who find such behavior repugnant. Why, if the homo******s demand to be treated like everyone else, do they have their gay pride parades? Why not have a parade of people acting and dressing normally instead of the over the top weirdness on display at every parade..yet the chant of "accept us, we're normal" is echoed by the gay rights groups.


I have NEVER gone to a ****ing ridiculous gay pride parade nor run aroudn screaming I'm a faggot. those are stereotypes and your painting all the faggots with a broad brush. you have weird hetero******s too.

[megjur]

Show me the statistics, Linedoggie and I'll give you that one.
Unfortunately, I think you are wrong.
Anyways, I've argued this topic enough- if anyone is interested search the forums.

I believe in professional conduct, straight or gay. I'm not even against DADT, per se.
What I am against are all these crappy arguments that gays are exclusively immoral, degenerate *** fiends and that everyone is grossed out by them.
Homo******s are similar to hetero******s in that they have different beliefs, morals and values. Some are perverts, some aren't. Painting them all with the same broad brush is reductive and ignorant in my opinion.

Well..the problem is most homo******s define themselves by their ******ity. So they see the need to push so that they can be "openly gay" and serve in the military. Why not just keep that sh*t to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business. As to "some are perverts some aren't"...any man who would kiss another man or engage in anal *** or oral *** with another man...thats a pervert.

[MaverickCowboy]

Well..the problem is most homo******s define themselves by their ******ity. So they see the need to push so that they can be "openly gay" and serve in the military. Why not just keep that sh*t to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business. As to "some are perverts some aren't"...any man who would kiss another man or engage in anal *** or oral *** with another man...thats a pervert.

and a man that would do the same with another woman is not.

Oh yeah. but if the quiet underwraps faggot gets found out because of invasion of privacy. he loses his job? thats ****ign bull****.

[little icebear]

Well..the problem is most homo******s define themselves by their ******ity. So they see the need to push so that they can be "openly gay" and serve in the military. Why not just keep that sh*t to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business. As to "some are perverts some aren't"...any man who would kiss another man or engage in anal *** or oral *** with another man...thats a pervert.

Where are you from? Iran? Fvcking Afghanistan? Go join the Taliban. Same mind-set, you´ll get along just fine.

[chauncy republicans]

You've obviously never been to Afghanistan.rofl
Remember liberal icebear, South Park doesn't count as informative news.

[megjur]

I have NEVER gone to a ****ing ridiculous gay pride parade nor run aroudn screaming I'm a faggot. those are stereotypes and your painting all the faggots with a broad brush. you have weird hetero******s too.

Yes..that hetero****** pride parade they have every year where all the hetero******s who engage in various behaviors come out and parade their preferences.
I for one don't want to see an active duty miltary unit march in such a parade...like the politicians so blindly do, afraid to condemn the sick behavior around them for fear of upsetting the pink mafia. The parades may not be reflective of all homo******s, but I don't see any homo******s condemning the parades either.

[Gleipnir]

Well..the problem is most homo******s define themselves by their ******ity. So they see the need to push so that they can be "openly gay" and serve in the military. Why not just keep that sh*t to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business.

Oh really? They are all going to do that?
What makes you so sure?
A great number of men have already served without a problem. They did keep it to themselves, most professionals don't let their ****** activities get in the way of performing their duties.

Anyways,
Why don't you "keep your **** to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business?"


As to "some are perverts some aren't"...any man who would kiss another man or engage in anal *** or oral *** with another man...thats a pervert.

According to you. There is nothing perverse or perverted about it. Do you want to debate how it's 'unnatural' or some other nonsense too?
You should look into documentation of homo******ity in the animal kingdom and the historical construction of heteronormativity.

Many straight men engage in anal *** with women and some hetero****** men enjoy having their anus fingered, licked or penetrated by women without being gay. Are they degenerate perverts too? According to what consensus? Yours?

[megjur]

and a man that would do the same with another woman is not.

Oh yeah. but if the quiet underwraps faggot gets found out because of invasion of privacy. he loses his job? thats ****ign bull****.

The "quiet underwraps" adulterer would lose his job too.

[MaverickCowboy]

The "quiet underwraps" adulterer would lose his job too.
why? we are sopposed to stay abstinent in the military?

[MaverickCowboy]

Yes..that hetero****** pride parade they have every year where all the hetero******s who engage in various behaviors come out and parade their preferences.
I for one don't want to see an active duty miltary unit march in such a parade...like the politicians so blindly do, afraid to condemn the sick behavior around them for fear of upsetting the pink mafia. The parades may not be reflective of all homo******s, but I don't see any homo******s condemning the parades either.

I condemn it all the ****ing time! you obviously don't know any personally you ignorant ****.

[CMNot]

Well..the problem is most homo******s define themselves by their ******ity

You sure are awful familiar with homo******s...

[megjur]

According to you. There is nothing perverse or perverted about it. Do you want to debate how it's 'unnatural' or some other nonsense too?


Look..if you think it isn't perverse then good for you, you must have some latent hom****** tendencies because most hetero****** men would find it to be very perverse. Take a Darwinistic approach if you don't want to take a moral one..in evolutionary terms they're defective..unable to pass on the genes and continue the species, so by definition homo****** behavior is "unnatural".

[MaverickCowboy]

Look..if you think it isn't perverse then good for you, you must have some latent hom****** tendencies because most hetero****** men would find it to be very perverse. Take a Darwinistic approach if you don't want to take a moral one..in evolutionary terms they're defective..unable to pass on the genes and continue the species, so by definition homo****** behavior is "unnatural".

Holy Christ. you are a moron. Thier cocks and nuts arn't broken. they just art compelled to drive it to the hilt up into some chicks cervix and drown the uterus in semen. Not their cup o tea. just like sticking your **** into another man hilting it to the prostate isn't your cup of tea.

[megjur]

why? we are sopposed to stay abstinent in the military?

Article 134 UCMJ. If you don't like it, don't join.

[chauncy republicans]

Many straight men engage in anal *** with women and some hetero****** men enjoy having their anus fingered, licked or penetrated by women without being gay. Are they degenerate perverts too? According to what consensus? Yours?

Yes they are perverts, but no straight man will ever bring it to my attention that he likes his anus played with, unlike you gays, and that is the overlying issue. Gays are perfectly able to engage in homo******ity without any persecution, they cross the line when they shove their lifestyle in people's faces. According to mine, and the majority of other American's consensus.

[little icebear]

You've obviously never been to Afghanistan.rofl

Not on Thursdays. No.


Remember liberal icebear, South Park doesn't count as informative news.

I wish people would watch South Park more attentively. The world would be a better place but sadly, the messages are often missed because viewers attention gets lost over the gags.

[chauncy republicans]

Look man, if you really are thirteen your way to ****ing smart to watch South Park, I've read your posts.

[Gleipnir]

Look..if you think it isn't perverse then good for you, you must have some latent hom****** tendencies because most hetero****** men would find it to be very perverse. Take a Darwinistic approach if you don't want to take a moral one..in evolutionary terms they're defective..unable to pass on the genes and continue the species, so by definition homo****** behavior is "unnatural".

You don't know what you are talking about.

There is far more to social interactions in the animal kingdom then solely passing on genetic material- although on that note, for example:
there is plenty of documentation of homo****** birds pair-bonding and acquiring eggs through various means (stealing them, impregnating a female then chasing her away once the eggs are laid) and then successfully raising the chicks.

Homo****** behaviour is natural.
It occurs as part of an animal's natural behaviours, in it's natural habitat.

That qualifies as natural behaviour.

I can think of examples of un-natural behaviour that occurs in a habitat that is un-natural such as stereotypic behaviours. (pacing, overgrooming, etc.)

It occurs quite frequently in the animal kingdom, and serves various purposes, not exclusive to reproduction.

Then again, on that note- is it natural to our biology or to reproductive success to drive a car? Or to watch TV? Or to get married?

Is it natural for a hetero****** that can't procreate to seek out other options in order to have children?
I mean, they are defective right- they shouldn't be able to pass on their genes, right?

Stop speaking for hetero****** men.
They aren't all like you, thank God.
You certainly don't speak for me.

Why don't you search the forum for this topic and come back once you have read up on some of this stuff because it has been said before.

[Gleipnir]

Yes they are perverts, but no straight man will ever bring it to my attention that he likes his anus played with, unlike you gays, and that is the overlying issue. Gays are perfectly able to engage in homo******ity without any persecution, they cross the line when they shove their lifestyle in people's faces. According to mine, and the majority of other American's consensus.

Who says they are doing that? You are arguing that all homo******s are incapable of keeping their lifestyles to themselves, which is nonsense.

And besides, aren't you constantly forcing 'your' lifestyle onto them?

[HollywoodMarine]

...with recruitment already struggling to meet goals...
Nah... all branches have exceeded their recruiting goals. With the current economy, the military is allowed to become more selective who they recruit.

So if the DADT policy is lifted, who else are we going to allow to enlist? Pedophiles, Zoophilies, Necrophilies? The issue is not about a certain race, religion, culture, nationality, creed. It's about ****** preferences. No thanks...

[seraosha]

Says the guy who has a 80% ***** thread history :roll:

Damn it man, offices all around me are wondering what the howls of laughter are about.

And it's over due to lift the ban on openly gay folks from serving in the military, in my opinion. No prancing nancy with the limp wrist and queenie attitude is going to join without being able to pull their own weight, or they will get washed out in OSUT...standardized PT tests and STAKE tests on MOS knowledge make it an even playing field.
Any gay guy dumb enough to play grab-ass in the showers will get drummed out on an arty15 with a dishonerable discharge (maybe general), and nothing to show for it but shame.

Gays and lesbians love this country just as much as straights, and the sooner people get their heads out of their third point of contact about it the better.

[little icebear]

they cross the line when they shove their lifestyle in people's faces

As long as they don´t shove their **** into your face it shouldn´t be your concern.

If holding hands or kissing each other in public does qualify as "shoving something in your face" it´s simply your problem.
And these attitudes are the reason why gay pride parades are still taking place. They would indeed be rudundant, if people would accept homo******s, but as long as there are still too many homophobic knuckleheads around they should go on with "shoving it down their throats". As deep and dirty as possible. p-)

I´m off, listening to Judas Priest know.

[Gleipnir]

So if the DADT policy is lifted, who else are we going to allow to enlist? Pedophiles, Zoophilies, Necrophilies? The issue is not about a certain race, religion, culture, nationality, creed. It's about ****** preferences. No thanks...

Those are illegal. Big difference.

@Seraosha - excellent post.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

There shouldn't even be a policy. The question should not even get asked. If a person likes taking it up the poop shute then who cares?

FYI the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy is a travesty. I'm hetero****** and I'd still be thrown out of the US military.

[HollywoodMarine]

Those are illegal. Big difference.
As was hom******ity until years ago. So there is a similarity.

[Gleipnir]

Get back to me when those three are made legal, okay?

Furthermore- kids and dead people can't join as far as I know.

[seraosha]

There shouldn't even be a policy. The question should not even get asked. If a person likes taking it up the poop shute then who cares?

FYI the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy is a travesty. I'm hetero****** and I'd still be thrown out of the US military.

You are a cross dresser and an australian...both equally offensive to the US military mindset. Thank christ PVC doesn't get issued or the apocolaypse would come early.

[chauncy republicans]

Who says they are doing that?
Give me a break, gays love to flaunt their homo******ity. Thats what overturning DADT is all about.
Tell me when the last time a group of straight men organized a parade for the tolerance of anal fingering?


Direct me to where I said
that all homo******s are incapable of keeping their lifestyles to themselves and I'll give you a cookie.


And besides, aren't you constantly forcing 'your' lifestyle onto them? Not in the slightest, I'm too busy trying to shield myself from the constant bombardment of bleeding heart liberal stupidity that many attempt to force me to accept.

[little icebear]

Comparing gays with people who rape children is disgusting and degrading beyond words... only a fullblown retard could come up with that kinda crap.

[Zandros]

i know a (finnish) guy who had a gay transvestite or trans******, not sure of english word, in his army unit... all it caused was major problems

some things and jobs are just not for certain groups, female nurses are required to do certain jobs because patients do not want male nurses doing it, dose that make them sexists?

[seraosha]

Give me a break, gays love to flaunt their homo******ity. Thats what overturning DADT is all about.


I've known gay guys that were just that, gay guys and not queens, flaming homos or raging queers...there are as many different gay people and the way they express themselves as straights...making lame generalisations brings nothing to the discussion.

I mean who is more likely to get the media's attention? the gay guys that live quietly, minding their own lives, or the raging queens in a parade in SF covered in body condoms acting like fools?

It's like moderate conservatives...compared to the Glenn Beck crowd...who does the media put the spotlight on?

[Gleipnir]

Give me a break, gays love to flaunt their homo******ity. Thats what overturning DADT is all about.

Wrong and wrong.


Tell me when the last time a group of straight men organized a parade for the tolerance of anal fingering?

Who says they need to? It is part of a repertoire of behaviour that still falls under hetero******ity if it is a woman who is doing the fingering.



Direct me to where I said and I'll give you a cookie.

It's what you are implying. Clarify if you think this is a gross mis-representation


Not in the slightest, I'm too busy trying to shield myself from the constant bombardment of bleeding heart liberal stupidity that many attempt to force me to accept.

Geez, if you aren't flaming and baiting you are playing the victim. What an exquisite waste of time you are.

[HollywoodMarine]

Comparing gays with people who rape children is disgusting and degrading beyond words... only a fullblown retard could come up with that kinda crap.
You're only 13 and need to go wipe your nose fvcktard.

[chauncy republicans]

What an exquisite waste of time you are.
Then next time don't respond.

[little icebear]

i know a (finnish) guy who had a gay transvestite or trans******, not sure of english word, in his army unit... all it caused was major problems


Being trans****** and being a transvestite are two completly different things and not even related to the topic.
Being trans****** is not being gay and being a transvestite (guy who likes to wear clothing for females) is not necessarily related to being homo******.

[Zandros]

Being trans****** and being a transvestite are two completly different things and not even related to the topic.
Being trans****** is not being gay and being a transvestite (guy who likes to wear clothing for females) is not necessarily related to being homo******.
well he was homo****** and wore female clothing

[little icebear]

You're only 13 and need to go wipe your nose fvcktard.

And you need a big, strong guy dressed in leather with a moustache, who´ll give you an appropriate treat.
But hey... gets me thinking... maybe you´ve already had such an encounter and that´s the source of your issues.
Dude, I really feel for you... :(

[Fargin]

Compairing homo******s to pedophiles, zoophilies and necrophilies lead me to the question of: Does the Army or USMC have a don't ask, don't tell policy on mental retardation?

[seraosha]

well he was homo****** and wore female clothing

I think that's called doubling your chances of a date on Saturday night.

[little icebear]

well he was homo****** and wore female clothing

Corporal Klinger? Maybe he justed wanted out? p-)

[BloodyTalon]

To the BTDTs: name how many times you saw a female soldier on a base or FOB and your very first reaction was "hot damn that chick is hot! I wanna corner her in the shower stalls and practice some EPW search & seizure on that ass!"

I don't know where the hell the idea that by allowing gays in the military you're gonna have hordes of girly-boys reenacting the rape scenes from Deliverance and American History X on unsuspecting (and totally straight bro!) grunts came from, but is an extremely narrow minded view with the extremely unfounded view that the deciding factor for someone to be a fully professional and competent soldier is based entirely on their ****** preferences and that anyone who isn't hetero****** is inherently evil and predatory.

[chauncy republicans]

Corporal Klinger? Maybe he justed wanted out? p-)
Your not thirteen.

[HollywoodMarine]

Compairing homo******s to pedophiles, zoophilies and necrophilies lead me to the question of: Does the Army or USMC have a don't ask, don't tell policy on mental retardation?
Well, I'm sure there is reason why you aren't currently serving... you must of been DQ'd from enlisting for that reason.

[little icebear]

Your not thirteen.

No sh*t, Sherlock... p-)

[megjur]

[QUOTE=seraosha;4515901]
Any gay guy dumb enough to play grab-ass in the showers will get drummed out on an arty15 with a dishonerable discharge (maybe general), and nothing to show for it but shame./QUOTE]

If that homo****** should engage in such behavior, or something similar, and gets his ass kicked, who do you think will be getting disciplined..not the homo****** but the guy who assaulted him, you can bet on that
Many have said that homo******s have served in the military and done well..great, don't ask don't tell is working. Why bow to the political pressure from militant homo****** groups to change what works. Then allow in the open homo******...open in that everyone he works with knows he's a homo******..and then ask everyone to treat him like anyone else, and reeducate them when they don't. "Private, you aren't allowed to feel uncomfortable showering, bunking, working, with Private Homo..if you feel that homo******ity is wrong and immoral we'll send you to more sensitivity training".....Because the homo******s, like liberals, feel that if you dare to disagree with them your obviously ignorant and if you were just as enlightened as they are you'd come around to their way of thinking. I mean just look at the responses in this thread...if you think homo******ity is morally wrong you're called a moron, ignorant, Taliban, etc etc. Gee...maybe if I were to be educated I'd not be so disgusted by men who screw each other in the ass.

[chauncy republicans]

Just look at the trouble the issue causes here on the forum, just imagine what it'd be like in the barracks.

[chauncy republicans]

No sh*t, Sherlock... p-)
****ing M.A.S.H. watching geezer.

[Zandros]

Corporal Klinger? Maybe he justed wanted out? p-)

dont know what his name was/is, the guy i know never said what happened to him

[Gleipnir]

...if you think homo******ity is morally wrong you're called a moron, ignorant, Taliban, etc etc. Gee...maybe if I were to be educated I'd not be so disgusted by men who screw each other in the ass.

You aren't exactly the most tactful guy, Megjur. Nobody is saying you have to agree with homo******ity.
But, your arguments are weak, reductive, overly simplistic and often based on mistaken assumptions. That's the problem.
Also- Speak for yourself- not for others.

[little icebear]

"Private, you aren't allowed to feel uncomfortable showering, bunking, working, with Private Homo..if you feel that homo******ity is wrong and immoral we'll send you to more sensitivity training".....Because the homo******s, like liberals, feel that if you dare to disagree with them your obviously ignorant and if you were just as enlightened as they are you'd come around to their way of thinking.

Bollocks. It´s a free country - well, the military itself is certainly not so much about "personal" freedom, but your thoughts are free.
And your free to be uncomfortable and to be a pussy who gets his panties in a twist because your comrade is a faggot. But like many other things that you can´t influence you´ll just have... well p-) to suck it up! :D

[commanding]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfrhCvDLlCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SSFv-F0_20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzeGpGNhRs&feature=fvsr

[Stevey1]

I believe that what peoples' ****** orientation is is their private business. I don't like Gay Pride parades, for example, which I believe to be pointless in open Western democracies where gay rights are guaranteed.

But I believe in treating people as individuals and on their own merits.

If a man wants to risk his life for his country, why should he be stopped?As long as any individual gets through basic training OK, surely they have proved they are competent to serve? Your stereotypical 'musical theatre' gay is not going to be much interested in military service anyway.

I believe it is wrong to characterise an end to DADT as an 'open experiment'. Many militaries around the world allow homo******s to serve in them: I have never heard of any problems. This means the result of the 'experiment' is known.

Britain was forced to admit gays into its military in 2000 by European Court ruling and many of the fears expressed by US members here were raised then. 9 years on it seems a complete non-issue. Nothing has happened. The military hasn't collapsed. I have read of no problems with unit cohesion.

Alexander the Great and Richard the Lionheart, both gay, were of course rubbish and effete on the battlefield. :)

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Richard the 1st was will by a pesky French lower nobleman using a saucepan as a helmut and warding off arrows with a frying pan.

Alexander died after a lovers quarell.

Just saying.

[JJC]

Stupid idea. In the middle of a growing war, with recruitment already struggling to meet goals, the liberals are once again going to treat the military like a social experiment and allow openly homo****** sodomites to enter the military. This will have a negative effect of those people who would normally want to chose the military. Having effeminate people or those who openly and proudly claim that they wish to engage on anal *** with other men bunking and showering with the other soldiers will just lead to problems, conflicts and eventually violence...it's bound to happen. These degenerates not only want to engage in anal *** with each other, they want everyone to know what they do and to accept it. Why not just stick with don't ask don't tell and keep your ****** deviancies to yourself.
Please tell me you're just a 16 year old air-soft tactician? Stop talking out of your a$$ for once. Not all gay people are effeminate just like not all straight people are retarded. Don't forget that there are a lot of bi****** and lesbians in the military who do not fall under a single stereotype.

In 2006, 7 members from 82nd Airborne participated in a gay **** film for "Active Duty". At least 1 of those guys received a Purple Heart in Iraq and several others have seen combat. Now, would you please enlighten us on how could these 7 flaming, effeminate, deviant sodomites manage to get into one of the most respected units or get Purple Hearts? :roll:

[megjur]

See what's coming down the pike..

"The British military actively recruits gay men and lesbians and punishes any instance of intolerance or bullying. The Royal Navy advertises for recruits in gay magazines and has allowed gay sailors to hold civil partnership ceremonies on board ships and, last summer, to march in full naval uniform at a gay pride rally in London. "

You can't be intolerant of them..you'll be punished..forced acceptance of a behavior most Americans think is immoral.

From article on British Army marching in Manchester gay pride parade

" "It is new, it's different and i think it shows that the Army accepts change and is very progressive, open-minded, embracing diversity, showing a higher degree of tolerance,"

Blahhhhh...so much liberal clap trap makes you sick.

[LineDoggie]

Comparing gays with people who rape children is disgusting and degrading beyond words... only a fullblown retard could come up with that kinda crap.

Actually, the ILGA welcomed NAMBLA until the Public Perception turned against it. This took all of 10 minutes to google.

In 1983 the North American Man Boy Love Association(NAMBLA) joined forces with the International Lesbian and Gay association (ILGA). In 1985 ILGA issued the following statement: "young people have the right to ****** and social self-determination and that age of consent laws often operate to oppress and not to protect."

In 1993 after becominga a UN Consultative group, ILGA started to draw bad PR for the NAMBLA connection.

Besides the Obvious like Jesse Helms, even other Gay organizations urged ILGA to drop NAMBLA like a hot potato. Helms put forth a Bill that withheld US Money to the UN until the president could say "no UN agency grants any official status, accreditation, or recognition to any organization which promotes, condones, or seeks the legalization of pedophilia, that is, the ****** abuse of children". The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton in April 1994.

In 1994 ILGA voted NAMBLA out of its association.



Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said that "NAMBLA is not a gay organization ... They are not part of our community and we thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights."

NAMBLA responded by claiming that "man/boy love is by definition homo******," that "man/boy lovers are part of the gay movement and central to gay history and culture," and that "homo******s denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as hetero******s saying it's 'not hetero******' to be attracted to adolescent girls."

Most LGBT groups have cut their ties to NAMBLA.

Harry Hay, a now deceased apparently well known Gay activist said: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

You know Harry Hay because recently
Kevin Jennings, President Obama's Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, got in trouble for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having *** with an older man. Jennings recently Praised Hay

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/jennings_hay.jpg
Harry Hay at the Parade where Jennings say he had no idea of Hays support for NAMBLA

http://www.jstor.org/pss/190542
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/10/05/when-nancy-met-harry
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-appointee-lauded-NAMBLA-figure-63115112.html
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/ecosoc6242.doc.htm
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/nambla.html
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/NAMBLA/nambla.replies.to.ilga.secretariat

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

See what's coming down the pike..

"The British military actively recruits gay men and lesbians and punishes any instance of intolerance or bullying. The Royal Navy advertises for recruits in gay magazines and has allowed gay sailors to hold civil partnership ceremonies on board ships and, last summer, to march in full naval uniform at a gay pride rally in London. "

You can't be intolerant of them..you'll be punished..forced acceptance of a behavior most Americans think is immoral.

From article on British Army marching in Manchester gay pride parade

" "It is new, it's different and i think it shows that the Army accepts change and is very progressive, open-minded, embracing diversity, showing a higher degree of tolerance,"

Blahhhhh...so much liberal clap trap makes you sick.




And who the **** are you to decide on whats moral and immoral?

[Gleipnir]

And who the **** are you to decide on whats moral and immoral?

I was thinking the same thing.

[megjur]

See how they insult....you're either a 16 year old, or uneducated, or Taliban or a moron if you DARE to disagree with them or if you think homo******ity is immoral...guess they tolerate homo******s just fine, but have no tolerance for an opinion different from theirs.

[Zandros]

[how did] deviant sodomites manage to get into one of the most respected units
enlistment contract



or get Purple Hearts?

probably got shrapnel or got shot

edit:



In 2006, 7 members from 82nd Airborne participated in a gay **** film for "Active Duty".
efficient way to spread aids (important reason why drug users, the needles of which also spread aids, are also banned/expelled), especially if they all got it than got injured while on duty, anyone touching their blood would be infected.

[mechanical-octopi]

Just look at the trouble the issue causes here on the forum, just imagine what it'd be like in the barracks.

I agree with you on that, also you've reminded me that I haven't visited /k/ in a long time. *On topic*I'm on the fence when it comes to allowing gays, I think they'd do fine in the military but really someone will bitch about it one way or another.

[Gleipnir]

See how they insult....you're either a 16 year old, or uneducated, or Taliban or a moron if you DARE to disagree with them or if you think homo******ity is immoral...guess they tolerate homo******s just fine, but have no tolerance for an opinion different from theirs.

We've gone over this before-
you don't have to agree but you come in assuming that you can just blahblah some nonsense that isn't very well-thought out without it being challenged?

Get off your high horse, man.

If any one is being self-righteous here it is you, when some here don't favour your incredibly tactless musings you resort to this weak play the victim crap the whole while assuming you are entirely correct and represent the World's unquestionable opinion?

Get a clue.

[Gleipnir]

efficient way to spread aids (important reason why drug users, the needles of which also spread aids, are also banned/expelled), especially if they all got it than got injured while on duty, anyone touching their blood would be infected.

Yeah, because all gays have AIDS and don't use condoms!

[Zandros]

Yeah, because all gays have AIDS and don't use condoms!
that's how my cousin died

[little icebear]

. . .

I ain´t no freaking idea what kind of point you´re trying to make.


anyone touching their blood would be infected.

What? Yeah, and girls get pregnant from kissing. Seriously... no. Use your google-fu and learn about the common ways of infection.

[Gleipnir]

that's how my cousin died

I'm sorry to hear that, Zandros.
May he Rest in Peace.

[Zandros]

I'm sorry to hear that, Zandros.
May he Rest in Peace.
i hope he is in peace, he got it in the late 80s died about 15 years ago.

[LineDoggie]

And who the **** are you to decide on whats moral and immoral?As an American Voter and Citizen he does get that right to decide by Voting. Thats why Californias Prop. 8 failed last year. People decided it was Immoral.

[JJC]

enlistment contract
edit:
efficient way to spread aids (important reason why drug users, the needles of which also spread aids, are also banned/expelled), especially if they all got it than got injured while on duty, anyone touching their blood would be infected. I'm not defending their participation in gay **** while still active, but why would you raise AIDS issue? Concern for STDs are not isolated to gay people. I'm sure plenty of troops hook up with hookers while stationed abroad.

[Clear_blues]

I personally have no problem with it, as there's no doubt plenty of gays and lesbians already serving. The only problem I see is the changes that would need to be put in place.

[Zandros]

I'm not defending their participation in gay **** while still active, but why would you raise AIDS issue? Concern for STDs are not isolated to gay people. I'm sure plenty of troops hook up with hookers while stationed abroad.
my reasoning is if you're an active homo****** who goes to gay bathes etc has multiple partners you unfortunately have a higher chance of getting infected with hiv/aids, you can test for drugs but not for having orgies on your personal time.

i think it is relevant because if you are overseas and going through the gay scene the risk is higher of getting aids compared to servicemen purchasing female hookers (who do have stds, however have a lower chance - not zero - of having aids, besides crabs are not lethal.) I think both situations are deplorable and dumb down the dignity of humans to pieces of pleasure meat but perhaps i am too puritan

for me i think it is a reasonable, although not sole, thing to cause one to question open and indeed more importantly active homo******s serving in the military, but it is just my opinion.

[MaverickCowboy]

my reasoning is if you're an active homo****** who goes to gay bathes etc has multiple partners you unfortunately have a higher chance of getting infected with hiv/aids, you can test for drugs but not for having orgies on you're personal time.

i think it is relevant because if you are overseas and going through the gay scene the risk is higher of getting aids compared to servicemen purchasing female hookers (who do have stds, however have a lower chance - not zero - of having aids, besides crabs are not lethal.) I think both situations are deplorable and dumb down the dignity of humans to pieces of pleasure meat but perhaps i am too puritan

for me i think it is a reasonable, although not sole, thing to cause one to question open and indeed more importantly active homo******s serving in the military, but it is just my opinion.

So you are saying homo******s are whores?

[Zandros]

So you are saying homo******s are whores?
some are promiscuous to say the least. whether the majority or not i have no idea, my cousin got around - but my mom's best friends brother-in-law (they all know and do things with each other) has had the same partner for years.

[Kap]

Too many homophobes in this damn thread. The British don't have a problem with gays. I have gay people in my unit too, and they are a blast to be friends with. Also they are just as professional as "non gay" soldiers. They should remove the stupid "Don't ask don't tell" policy.

And what is with all the weird stereotypes being posted here about gay people? You are only posting flamebait.

[Soldat_Américain]

some are promiscuous to say the least. whether the majority or not i have no idea, my cousin got around - but my mom's best friends brother-in-law (they all know and do things with each other) has had the same partner for years.

Didn't know that only homo******s were promiscuous. I had a room mate that fvcked a different girl every weekend and would would cry to the girl who first took his virginity on the phone usually when he got back. So many daft people and bigots in here. I thought the fact that a Republican who just became Secretary of the Army would somehow have street cred with some of the conservatives in here. I guess not, bigots will always be bigots it seems.

[Zandros]

Didn't know that only homo******s were promiscuous.
show me where i explicitly said that

[JJC]

my reasoning is if you're an active homo****** who goes to gay bathes etc has multiple partners you unfortunately have a higher chance of getting infected with hiv/aids, you can test for drugs but not for having orgies on you're personal time.

for me i think it is a reasonable, although not sole, thing to cause one to question open and indeed more importantly active homo******s serving in the military, but it is just my opinion. I'm not sure if this concern is sound reasoning. A lot of people have a perception that gay guys tend to be promiscuous or reckless and maybe this comes from the 80s era and AIDS epidemic. I have several gay friends (second cousin is bi) and just like with everyone else you have the shy prudes and you have the players. Some love the gay club scene and others completely hate it with passion. But a lot has changed on how the younger generation deals with STD risks thanks to awareness campaigns over the years.

[Zandros]

I'm not sure if this concern is sound reasoning. A lot of people have a perception that gay guys tend to be promiscuous or reckless and maybe this comes from the 80s era and AIDS epidemic. I have several gay friends (second cousin is bi) and just like with everyone else you have the shy prudes and you have the players. Some love the gay club scene and others completely hate it with passion. But a lot has changed on how the younger generation deals with STD risks thanks to awareness campaigns over the years.

fair enough

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

As an American Voter and Citizen he does get that right to decide by Voting. Thats why Californias Prop. 8 failed last year. People decided it was Immoral.

No they never. All they did was defined what was considered to be an acceptable marriage in California. p-)

[little icebear]

Studies suggest that homo****** men (!) have indeed more partners that hetero****** men. I guess that because they are just that - men. I know how single men are, because I used to be one as well. We´re always looking to get laid and we do think about *** like all the fvcking time.
And I guess if your potential partners are ticking just the same way things, get easier. At least so I was told by a friend I know since back in Highschool. He´s gay and - hold on to your seats, gentlemen: He enlisted for a period of 12 years. (dschörmän) Navy. p-)
According to him, there haven´t been any problems. Every now and than he´s a target for jokes and and teasing and that´s about it. If he´d be the "victim" of some serious harrassment, I´m sure he wouldn´t even bother to file some complaint. I guess he would take care of it in a more subtile way like smacking the person into the next wall, two or three times while nobody´s looking.

[Stevey1]

See how they insult....


You have been very quick to hurl very nasty insults and generalities about homo******s about, but you complain if people who have different opinions respond? People respect your opinion, but not your nastiness in expressing it.


Many have said that homo******s have served in the military and done well..great, don't ask don't tell is working

There was no don't ask, don't tell in the age of Alexander the Great or in the age of the Spartans. The first civilsed cultures in Greece saw homo******ity as a source of courage, believe it or not. Open homo******ity occurred in militaries that conquered the known world.



Then allow in the open homo******...open in that everyone he works with knows he's a homo******..and then ask everyone to treat him like anyone else, and reeducate them when they don't.


You think people want to join a military where they risk getting blown up in Iraq or Afghanistan just so they can be 'openly gay' in the military? The point is, most gays in the Western militaries (all of them except the US allow gays I think) don't tell anyone. It's a macho culture after all. What is wrong is that these people are booted out of the military if someone finds out they are gay. What a waste. How much training money is wasted? Should a soldier who has won the MoH be kicked out if he were found to be gay?


The British military actively recruits gay men and lesbians and punishes any instance of intolerance or bullying

C'mon mate, your quotes to jouralists from the British Army prove nothing. The US military makes similar statements about not tolerating 'bullying' in a general sense (as do the British/other Western armies). Does that mean that the US military is 'liberal' and politically correct? No. No modern Western military would commit media suicide by saying 'Yeah you'll get the odd punch if you don't perform up to standard and yelled at all the time during training'. The British and US armies, I am reliably informed, are tough, no nonsense institutions.

There have been several very serious cases of bullying over the last few years in the UK that have dominated the media and the military has to try and improve its image in the public eye. The UK army is acknowledged world-wide as being first-class and there has been no evidence that having to admit gays has damaged its effectiveness to any degree. The Aussies, Canucks etc all allow gays as well to no detrimental effect on their efforts over the last few years.

[LineDoggie]

No they never. All they did was defined what was considered to be an acceptable marriage in California. p-)Which is defining Morality. The electorate decided it was Immoral for Gay marriage. Its also Illegal to marry a 12 year old , a Sister/Brother by law.

Again Morality has come into play. in Cali's case look at the demographics which voted Prop 8 down

They werent all White redneck sheetwearing cross burning bible thumpers, in fact most were Minorities (Black, Hispanic, Asian)

[Gleipnir]

Yep- many of whom came out (excuse the pun) for the first time to vote for Obama.

[LineDoggie]

AND in the process, expressed their feelings about gay marriage, aka the American Way.

[GregHJ]

The things that people are saying about letting homo******s serve openly in the military, that it would disrupt unit cohesion, are the same things that people were saying about desegregating the military in the 50's. In short, it's bull****. Almost every other Western nation and even Israel allows gays to openly serve in their militaries with no problems. What's funny is that most of the people who are voicing their opposition in the public are people who have never served in the first place. When mortar shells start landing in front of you, do you honestly think that you are going to give a damn about the ****** preference of the guy next to you?

The notion that homo******ity is choice and that all gays are perverts and sinners is crazy. If being gay is simply a choice, why would any man choose that? Why would any man choose to be hated and discriminated against and told that they're going to hell by half the country? All the studies show that homo******ity is not a choice; most likely it's a naturally occurring variant or the influence of hormones from the mother.

[Macs.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icDB3kRKPg

[Andyo]

hey soldier why have you got you trousers on back to front!
because im in shirt lifter company

[wigon]

When it comes down to it, history is on the side of gays in the military (Greeks and Romans in ancient times and many European militaries in modern times). They fight just as well as any other man. If some soldier has a problem with it, its been my observation that such homophobes are uncertain about their own ******ity and simply feel threatened with alot of cogntive dissonance going on.
If you're secure in your ******ity, then so what if a fag's in the shower with you. If he's not wacking off or grabbing your butt, then he's not a problem. If he does those things everyone punches him. Simple as that.
I think its funny that nobody (well aside from my first post) even mentioned why nobody seems to have a problem with lesbians in the Army. I guess cuz girl on girl action is hot!
:)

Wigon

[LineDoggie]

Not if you had seen the Lesbian MP's at USMA you wouldnt. Some looked like Marty Feldman / Rob Schnieder in drag.

In 13 months Between Oct 2001 -Nov 2002 USMA chaptered out 6 Lesbian MP's, 3 Female MP's for basically screwing anything with a pulse, 1 Female Engineer for same, 2 Sergeants involved with the Females, and 10 Male Soldiers for failure to meet AR 600-9.

Edited to add: If you dont think that disrupted the MP company, your high. 1/1 & PMO were Chronically shorthanded.

[LineDoggie]

The things that people are saying about letting homo******s serve openly in the military, that it would disrupt unit cohesion, are the same things that people were saying about desegregating the military in the 50's. In short, it's bull****.

What's funny is that most of the people who are voicing their opposition in the public are people who have never served in the first place. When mortar shells start landing in front of you, do you honestly think that you are going to give a damn about the ****** preference of the guy next to you?


I do love the comparison some people try to make between Blacks and Homo******s on this issue. I havent seen many contemporary accounts of Soldiers saying they would refuse to serve next to Black Soldiers if ordered to. Nor that they wouldnt join the Military.

In fact the only one I know of is future Senator Robert Byrd(D-WV) in 1944 in a letter to then Senator Thomas Bilbo(D-MS)

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds

I've yet to meet a WWII or Korea Vet who espoused similar sentiments. Hell even My deceased Neighbor who served in the friggen Luftwaffe Field Divisions never had problems over Blacks(But then he was known to get drunk with Pete from across the street, the Jewish 9th USAAF Vet.)


Frankly, its insulting to Blacks to compare them.

[little icebear]

I do love the comparison some people try to make between Blacks and Homo******s on this issue. I havent seen many contemporary accounts of Soldiers saying they would refuse to serve next to Black Soldiers if ordered to. Nor that they wouldnt join the Military.

Keyword is contemporary. Couple of years from now, you´ll hopefully be able to say the same words with homo******s instead of black soldiers.
Heck, I´m convinced that it will be this way. Apparently I do have a better opionon about the US military than you... and you´re a vet IIRC...



Frankly, its insulting to Blacks to compare them.

It´s not. Racism and Homophobia (and don´t start with the "it´s not phobia"-BS, I know you ain´t sh*tting your pant when you see a faggot, it´s just the established term) follows the same principle.
It´s always about inclusion and exclusion - that´s how humans define themselfes. You can (must) apply this concept while describing group-relationships.
It´s really all the same and people who have a negative attitude torwards homo******s are doing exactly the same thing as people who hate jews/blacks/people with orange baseball-caps.

[Soldat_Américain]

Frankly, its insulting to Blacks to compare them.
It's the same issue of bigotry.

[megjur]

There was no don't ask, don't tell in the age of Alexander the Great or in the age of the Spartans. The first civilsed cultures in Greece saw homo******ity as a source of courage, believe it or not. Open homo******ity occurred in militaries that conquered the known world.



Study ancient Greece and don't just follow the myths of popular culture

.Aristotle the great philosopher, writes that the Spartans are people who don’t appreciate homo******ity and don’t practise sodomy, as opposed to some other people. Xenophon, the famous Athenian historian and philosopher, in his historical piece of writing called “Lacedaemonians’ Politeia/Country”, reports that Lycurgus (the great Spartan legislator and founder of Sparta’s law) praised as the most worthwhile form of education the admiration of a virtuous man for the soul of a child and his endeavor to shape that child/boy into a good fellow-warrior, so that he could live well in his companionship. Conversely, Lycurgus considered any kind of carnal passion for the body of a child/boy to be a great source of shame. Plutarch the biographer also confirms the aforementioned about Lycurgus and the Spartan law. Given also that the Spartans were people who deeply respected their law (it was obeying their law that they fell to the last man fighting bravely a lost battle at Thermopylae :-)), it is quite unlikely that homo******ity/pederasty was the common practice of the Spartan society, as it is claimed today by some non-Greek scholars who misinterpret the institution of “pederasty” in ancient Sparta

[megjur]

And who the **** are you to decide on whats moral and immoral?

How about the Quran

The Qur’an also says: 'And Lot who said to his people: 'Do you do what is indecent though you see its iniquity? Would you really approach men in your lusts rather than women? You are a people grossly ignorant.' His people gave no answer but this: 'Drive out the followers of Lot from our city. They are indeed men who want to be clean and pure.' But we saved him and his family except his wife: We destined her to be of those who lagged behind. And We raked down on them a shower: and evil was the shower on those who were admonished.' (An-Naml: 54-58)

The Bible:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the ******ly immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homo****** offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Maybe the Buddhists?

The Dalai Lama was more specific in a meeting with Buddhist leaders and human rights activists in San Francisco in 1997, where he commented that all forms of *** other than penile-******l *** are prohibited for Buddhists, whether between hetero******s or homo******s. At a press conference the day before the meeting, he said, "From a Buddhist point of view, [gay ***] is generally considered ****** misconduct

Do you just make up your own morality as you go along or do you base your version of morality on something?

[JJHH]

How about the Quran

The Qur’an also says: 'And Lot who said to his people: 'Do you do what is indecent though you see its iniquity? Would you really approach men in your lusts rather than women? You are a people grossly ignorant.' His people gave no answer but this: 'Drive out the followers of Lot from our city. They are indeed men who want to be clean and pure.' But we saved him and his family except his wife: We destined her to be of those who lagged behind. And We raked down on them a shower: and evil was the shower on those who were admonished.' (An-Naml: 54-58)

The Bible:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the ******ly immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homo****** offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Maybe the Buddhists?

The Dalai Lama was more specific in a meeting with Buddhist leaders and human rights activists in San Francisco in 1997, where he commented that all forms of *** other than penile-******l *** are prohibited for Buddhists, whether between hetero******s or homo******s. At a press conference the day before the meeting, he said, "From a Buddhist point of view, [gay ***] is generally considered ****** misconduct

Do you just make up your own morality as you go along or do you base your version of morality on something?

Reading through this thread, you are one hell of a homophobe. Outspoken homophobia is statistically linked with a higher probability of the existence of latent homo******ity.

I am seriously suspecting a case of latent homo******ity.

[megjur]

Reading through this thread, you are one hell of a homofobe. Outspoken homophobia is statistically linked with a higher probability of the existence of latent homo******ity.

I am seriously suspecting a case of latent homo******ity.

Homophobe would be a fear of homo******s...I don't fear them, I just think that homo******ity is immoral.
Interesting how none of those who tolerate homo******ity can tolerate those who oppose it. You'd rather call names and make insults than actually dealing with the fact that the majority of people thing homo******ity is immoral, and if the question were asked "do you think it is immoral for 2 men to engage in anal *** with each other?" as opposed to "do you think it is immoral to be gay?" the percentage would be far higher.
But the homo****** lobby has managed to water down the debate and sterilize the idea of homo****** *** by calling it "gay".
The idea that those who are outspoken in opposing the homo****** agenda are "latent homo******s" is just another myth promoted by the homo****** lobby.

[Daft Ego]

This is thread is pure theater.

rofl

[CMNot]

I just think that homo******ity is immoral.

Ah, let me guess, God created the world in seven days with his invisible hands and abortion is murder?

I loved the Qu'ran **** though. Because its like morally cool to marry 6 years olds and stone people to death.

[shiftypowpow]

Homophobe would be a fear of homo******s...I don't fear them, I just think that homo******ity is immoral.



Out of curiosity, are you against it on a religious stand point or do you just think butt *** is icky?

[CMNot]

Got to douche shifty, got to douche.

[Holycrusader]

Reading through this thread, you are one hell of a homophobe. Outspoken homophobia is statistically linked with a higher probability of the existence of latent homo******ity.

I am seriously suspecting a case of latent homo******ity.

cryptogays as megjur, must have no own problems to care so much about what job gays get...

Personally I think people give to many attetions to homo******s issues. Who cares what people do in they free time?

[socom6]

Wow I missed this thread by a friggin mile! No sympathy to battybwoys from me lol.

[wigon]

Study ancient Greece and don't just follow the myths of popular culture

.Aristotle the great philosopher, writes that the Spartans are people who don’t appreciate homo******ity and don’t practise sodomy, as opposed to some other people. Xenophon, the famous Athenian historian and philosopher, in his historical piece of writing called “Lacedaemonians’ Politeia/Country”, reports that Lycurgus (the great Spartan legislator and founder of Sparta’s law) praised as the most worthwhile form of education the admiration of a virtuous man for the soul of a child and his endeavor to shape that child/boy into a good fellow-warrior, so that he could live well in his companionship. Conversely, Lycurgus considered any kind of carnal passion for the body of a child/boy to be a great source of shame. Plutarch the biographer also confirms the aforementioned about Lycurgus and the Spartan law. Given also that the Spartans were people who deeply respected their law (it was obeying their law that they fell to the last man fighting bravely a lost battle at Thermopylae :-)), it is quite unlikely that homo******ity/pederasty was the common practice of the Spartan society, as it is claimed today by some non-Greek scholars who misinterpret the institution of “pederasty” in ancient Sparta

You will almost NEVER find a Greek scholar (who's Greek) who will agree with the homo******ity thing because they'll get fired due to Greek Nationalism. They still won't admit that Alexander the Great had male lovers. So the above is not surprising. There are plenty of historians and archaeologists who will greatly disagree with the above opinion.

Here's one of the few neutral opinions I found on the issue that seems to be the most accurate:
http://badarchaeology.blogspot.com/2007/04/question-time-greek-homo******ity.html

Also note the picture of the Greek plate at the top. Hey look you have a new desktop background! lol! :)

Wigon

[socom6]

cryptogays as megjur, must have no own problems to care so much about what job gays get...

Personally I think people give to many attetions to homo******s issues. Who cares what people do in they free time?

Problem is that the homos want it that way they are constantly pushing their lifestyle and turning what supposed to be a bedroom/****** issue into political situation. Once they do that they must expect the ramifications thereof, it wont be all sweet and dandy for them.

[wigon]

How about the Quran

The Qur’an also says: 'And Lot who said to his people: 'Do you do what is indecent though you see its iniquity? Would you really approach men in your lusts rather than women? You are a people grossly ignorant.' His people gave no answer but this: 'Drive out the followers of Lot from our city. They are indeed men who want to be clean and pure.' But we saved him and his family except his wife: We destined her to be of those who lagged behind. And We raked down on them a shower: and evil was the shower on those who were admonished.' (An-Naml: 54-58)

The Bible:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the ******ly immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homo****** offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Maybe the Buddhists?

The Dalai Lama was more specific in a meeting with Buddhist leaders and human rights activists in San Francisco in 1997, where he commented that all forms of *** other than penile-******l *** are prohibited for Buddhists, whether between hetero******s or homo******s. At a press conference the day before the meeting, he said, "From a Buddhist point of view, [gay ***] is generally considered ****** misconduct

Do you just make up your own morality as you go along or do you base your version of morality on something?


So you're saying that Islam and the Qu'ran is a good moral guidepost?

Going back to the Bible, are you saying Old Testament Law is the right law to go by? Because its even harsher then Shariat Law...and much of it is contradicted by Jesus Christ's teachings.

Also keep in mind that the DaLai Lama is NOT the spiritual representative of all Buddhists. In fact he has is HATED by many Buddhists for his support for George W. Bush and a few other statements he has made that do not reflect the beliefs of some Buddhist sects.

I should note that "morality" is always changing in how it is defined. Sure murder is murder and theft is theft, but what constitutes murder and what constitutes theft for example is something that has always changed. Likewise with attitudes towards homo******ity. Not all cultures share prohibitions against it or have the same attitudes.


At any rate, for a hetero****** male, yes, male fags are nasty and most of us shudder at the idea, but regardless they are still human beings and more and more we are beginning to understand some of the biology behind ****** orientation.
I have mixed views myself. Shows like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" I found to be rather non-****** and actually educational. Yeah they were flaming, but there was nothing immoral in what the show actually talked about (unless drinking wine is immoral to you or you found the occasional gay joke to be offensive). However I would find a show about gay lovers to be a bit too much. However having them serve in the Army is another manner as I've known gays in the Army and they were never a problem as long as they didn't flaunt it. Anyone who flaunts ANY type of ******ity hetero or homo, and doesn't shut the hell up about, disrupts a unit and should be thrown out. That's the bottomline. If a gay soldier otherwise keep his private *** life to himself (while still acknowledging to his fellow soldiers that he's gay) and does his business off-base, then it really shouldn't be an issue as long as he practices safe *** (as all soldiers should). If the gay soldier is harrassed seriously, then its the harrasser that has an issue and not the other way around.
The funny thing is that in the past few years I've met a retired Navy Admiral and a retired Brigadier General who both came out of the closet. Apparently they can do quite well in the military.
Overall I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill. The morality thing is laughable considering that soldiers are dirty and nasty and joke about (and often do) some of the nastiest things imaginable. So to talk about morality to me is very funny. Yes you have a few choir boys who don't go out drinking and womanizing with the other soldiers. Most soldiers do go live rather degenerate lifestyles even if they go to the post/base chapel diligently every Sunday morning. Anyone who's been a grunt knows this to be true. Grunts are some of the most foul-mouthed, raunchiest human beings you will ever find. Sailors are the same way. So if you want to be the morality police in the military I suggest you become a chaplain.

Wigon

[Stevey1]

it was obeying their law that they fell to the last man fighting bravely a lost battle at Thermopylae :-)


Of course it is well noted that Persian scouts who observed the Spartans before the battle were laughing at them. The Spartans were sitting around gently brushing each others hair. The Persians weren't laughing the next day :)

[wigon]

Problem is that the homos want it that way they are constantly pushing their lifestyle and turning what supposed to be a bedroom/****** issue into political situation. Once they do that they must expect the ramifications thereof, it wont be all sweet and dandy for them.

There is a reason why it's political. The fact of the matter is that they get discriminated againt regularly on all fronts. By the very nature of their ******ity, they are descriminated against especially if they are effeminate. Hell, I know hetero****** effeminate men who face the same kind of discrimination. They don't fall into the stereotype of a "manly man" and have certain feminine physical or behavioral traits. Thus they get harassed as a "fag" quite regularly by both men and women everywhere they work. So to a degree I agree with you that some overly flaunt their gayness, but I think that the political aspect is necessary due to the discrimination and/or harassment they receive on a dialy basis.

Wigon

[wigon]

Of course it is well noted that Persian scouts who observed the Spartans before the battle were laughing at them. The Spartans were sitting around gently brushing each others hair. The Persians weren't laughing the next day :)


Brushing each other's hair is pretty gay. But I guess how they faught wasn't. lol

[chauncy republicans]

There is a reason why it's political. The fact of the matter is that they get discriminated againt regularly on all fronts. By the very nature of their ******ity, they are descriminated against especially if they are effeminate. Hell, I know hetero****** effeminate men who face the same kind of discrimination. They don't fall into the stereotype of a manly man and thus get harassed as a "fag" quite regularly by both men and women everywhere they work. So to a degree I agree with you that some overly flaunt their gayness, but I think that the political aspect is necessary due to the discrimination and/or harassment they receive on a dialy basis.

Wigon

Yeah, I think your making **** up now, if a homo****** is being berated at work people will get disciplined or fired, because the impending lawsuit the company would have to deal with if action was not taken. The issue with homo******s is political, it's not about their lifestyle, it's their agenda.

[Fargin]

Homophobe would be a fear of homo******s...I don't fear them, I just think that homo******ity is immoral.
... Homophobia isn't a psychological condition, it's describes prejudice and discrimination.

[chauncy republicans]

It's a made up word by the homo****** agenda, it does not at all describe prejudice or discrimination.

Taken from Wikipedia :

Kenneth Smith in 1971 was the first person to use homophobia as a personality profile to describe the psychological aversion to homo******ity.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-Smith1971-3) The use was also adopted by Psychologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) and gay activist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights) George Weinberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Weinberg_%28psychologist%29) in his 1972 book Society and the Healthy Homo******,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-Weinberg1972-4) published one year before the American Psychiatric Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association) voted to remove homo******ity from its list of mental disorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-Macionis2005-6) Weinberg's term became an important tool for gay and lesbian activists, advocates, and their allies.
Despite its general shortcomings etymologically, the word can be used to describe the fear of a hetero****** (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetero******) that they will be approached romantically by someone of the same ***. It also can describe the apparently fear-based reactions of recoiling from unintentional close contact with another male or of being in close proximity to other males in certain situations such as while in the restroom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restroom). These are typically fear-based reactions, but the fear is usually that of the social stigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stigma) of being labelled homo******.

[Gleipnir]

Megjur-
Posting out of context Biblical passages (which translation are you using? How can you accept the exact accuracy of that translation as opposed to other versions) to support your point of view?

I can do that too.

DEUTERONOMY 22.23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,
.24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

DEUTERONOMY 22.22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

MARK 12.19 "Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother.

LEVITICUS 18.19 Do not approach a woman to have ****** relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

MARK 10.11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
.12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

DEUTERONOMY 22
13. If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her
14. and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,"
15. then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.
16. The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her.
17. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town,
18. and the elders shall take the man and punish him.
19. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [b] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

Do these also still apply?

I find your tactic of presenting us with religious scripture rather inane.
You completely ignore the fact that there has been hundreds of years of debate around the errancy of the Bible and not only that, expect us to read those passages literally- there are centuries of interpretations that tell us this is not the idea.
If you are going to consider all of the Bible's passages as instruction on life today then I expect you to also take into account the passages I quoted above, even though I doubt a murderer who stoned to death an adulterer will get a pass in a Court of Law by using Deuteronomy as his validation.

You also ignore any positive references to homo******ity in the Bible-

e.g.
Samuel 20:41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most.

Samuel 1:26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.


Homophobe would be a fear of homo******s...I don't fear them, I just think that homo******ity is immoral.

Yeah, we know. Thanks for your opinion but in your own words:

"Why not just keep that sh*t to yourself, lead a quiet personal life and go about your business."
(http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4515818#post4515818)


Interesting how none of those who tolerate homo******ity can tolerate those who oppose it. You'd rather call names and make insults than actually dealing with the fact that the majority of people thing homo******ity is immoral

Your disingenuous comments keep on coming don't they? I feel many people here have addressed your musings.
Like I have said before, you don't have to agree, but if you are going to come in here using all kinds of self-righteous slandering talk then expect to get your poorly constructed ramblings challenged.

Maybe you need to get a clue and understand that there is always going to be someone who disagrees with you in life, but still you cling to this bizarre idea that somehow you are righteous in your opposition because:

the majority of people thing homo******ity is immoral"
and if the question were asked "do you think it is immoral for 2 men to engage in anal *** with each other?" as opposed to "do you think it is immoral to be gay?" the percentage would be far higher.

Wow- I should just stop thinking for myself and stop looking into things on my own because a majority believes something.
Worked out well in Nazi Germany. You would have loved it there! They sent homo******s to concentration camps.

You don't want homo******s to shove their ideas and lifestyles in your face but yet you seem to think it is okay to slander them all you want.
I find that rather hypocritical.


But the homo****** lobby has managed to water down the debate and sterilize the idea of homo****** *** by calling it "gay".
The idea that those who are outspoken in opposing the homo****** agenda are "latent homo******s" is just another myth promoted by the homo****** lobby.

Cool story. I'm afraid I can't take your word for it, considering the way you misrepresent 'Darwinistic' thinking as well as religious scripture.

[seraosha]

I think this whole topic is gay.

[Gleipnir]

I agree, so homo.

[INAT]

I agree, so homo.

Just in case you thought it was homo.

NO HOMO!







Really if you have to say something that should be obvious than it seems like you are in fact that thing you deny.:)

[megjur]

Just look at the trouble the issue causes here on the forum, just imagine what it'd be like in the barracks.

X2....look at the anger of the pro homosexula here..name calling, religion bashing...but lets allow the homo******s into the military, despite the fact that almost all of the military commanders are against it and lets just see what happens...after all, this is a great time to experiment with military effectiveness what with there being world peace and all.
Some here claim that homo******ity is natural because it happens in the animal world..well, it's natural for many animals to kill their young or the young of other males to establish dominance..should we imitate that..after all it's natural, and it serves a purpose.

[wigon]

Yeah, I think your making **** up now, if a homo****** is being berated at work people will get disciplined or fired, because the impending lawsuit the company would have to deal with if action was not taken. The issue with homo******s is political, it's not about their lifestyle, it's their agenda.


If they file a ****** harrassment suit, then yes. But very few such lawsuits take place. Usually most people just deal with it as immature behavior by their work colleagues. Sometimes it happens off the clock as well outside of the workplace.

Lets take a little informal poll:

How many people reading this have observed a man or woman at work calling a co-worker a "faggot" or a "Queer"? How many of you have NEVER seen such a thing? In my experience such behaviour is commonplace especially in the military.

Wigon

[wigon]

X2....look at the anger of the pro homosexula here..name calling, religion bashing...but lets allow the homo******s into the military, despite the fact that almost all of the military commanders are against it and lets just see what happens...after all, this is a great time to experiment with military effectiveness what with there being world peace and all.
Some here claim that homo******ity is natural because it happens in the animal world..well, it's natural for many animals to kill their young or the young of other males to establish dominance..should we imitate that..after all it's natural, and it serves a purpose.

Some of your friends were advocating killing our young when they join gangs (on another thread).
Also, its no experiment. It's already been done in most other NATO military forces without any serious negative effects. It's just business as usual for them. We're the only ones that have a problem with it.
I'd rather have an American faggot soldier with no kids die then a soldier with a wife and kids.
Maybe even give them their own Army unit like we had for black soldiers for a long time and like the Greeks had. Call them "The Fighting Faggots" combat brigade.
:)

Wigon

[Gleipnir]

X2....look at the anger of the pro homosexula here..name calling, religion bashing...but lets allow the homo******s into the military, despite the fact that almost all of the military commanders are against it and lets just see what happens...after all, this is a great time to experiment with military effectiveness what with there being world peace and all.

Hahahaha- good Lord can't you see yourself in what you point your finger at?

Look at your anger- who started the first angry post in this thread, as I recall it was you. Who came in here insulting peoples lifestyles, slandering them for being gross and immoral? But when your feeble chatter is challenged all of a sudden you feel butthurt because you have been judged? Please, Megjur. You are not only a hypocrite but also a troll.

Religion bashing? I feel that your misrepresentation of scripture is not only insulting to the texts you posted here but also to the deeper spirit and nature of Faith.

Take some advice:

1 Thessalonians 5.21 Test all things and hold fast to that which is good.


Some here claim that homo******ity is natural because it happens in the animal world..well, it's natural for many animals to kill their young or the young of other males to establish dominance..should we imitate that..after all it's natural, and it serves a purpose.

What a pathetic display.

It just goes to show how pitiful it is to try to argue that homo******ity is wrong because it is 'un-natural' or that Religious scripture tells us it is wrong when there are so many examples to the contrary as well.

Have homo******s really hurt you that much? Have they really made your day to day life so difficult to live?

Megjur,
one day you may just discover that the world is a complex, pluralistic place filled with multitudinous interpretations and meanings far more elaborate than the kind of self-righteous, arrogant, black and white, binary worldview you seem to have adopted for yourself.

I don't care that you are a homophobe- I cant change that, and I am realistic enough to understand that there will always be those who oppose homo******ity- but if you are going to come in here and spout some weak bull****, don't be so surprised when someone challenges that. Especially when you come in here slandering people right off the bat.

If anyone is angry here, it is you.

[chauncy republicans]

You also ignore any positive references to homo******ity in the Bible-

e.g.
Samuel 20:41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most.

Samuel 1:26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.

Damn bro, how long are your arms? Cause that's some impressive reach.

[Gleipnir]

You're no brother of mine.

[LineDoggie]

Not so fast Gleipnir, You on post 4 you started with the personal insults. Maverick Followed by losing his bearing on post 12

And you followed up on post 25 with this gem
Nah, he just suffers from ****faceitis

[Gleipnir]

That was directed at Chauncy- nice try, Linedoggie.
He's been flaming me since waaaaaaay back before this thread. We have one of those love/hate deals.


Stupid idea. In the middle of a growing war, with recruitment already struggling to meet goals, the liberals are once again going to treat the military like a social experiment and allow openly homo****** sodomites to enter the military. This will have a negative effect of those people who would normally want to chose the military. Having effeminate people or those who openly and proudly claim that they wish to engage on anal *** with other men bunking and showering with the other soldiers will just lead to problems, conflicts and eventually violence...it's bound to happen. These degenerates not only want to engage in anal *** with each other, they want everyone to know what they do and to accept it. Why not just stick with don't ask don't tell and keep your ****** deviancies to yourself.

Un-necessary in my opinion.

[LineDoggie]

Your nice try, spin it like a Gyro, Maverick and You started the personal comments in this thread. Dont weasel out of them now.

[Gleipnir]

Weasel?


Reading comprehension, Linedoggie-

Look at your anger- who started the first angry post in this thread, as I recall it was you. Who came in here insulting peoples lifestyles, slandering them for being gross and immoral?

This still holds true.

And Chauncy is fair game. As I have said, we have a history - as do you and I, Linedoggie.
You seem to love to comment on my posts, when it favours you.

Are we really going to do this? Spend time analyzing this?

[megjur]

Slander and insults..never once did I ever use a derogatory term for homo******s. I described what they do..and you claim it to be slanderous and insulting. Why? Is describing what so called "gay" people do somhow deragatory to them? My opinion is that they are immoral. I think adulterers and theives are immoral..is that slander? Is that an insult? I have a religious faith that differs from your..so in your opinion mine is "inane" and "pitiful", now who is being insulting.
You quote Paul in ! Thessalonians
19Do not put out the Spirit's fire; 20do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil.

Yet you ignore Paul in ! Cornithians


9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the ******ly immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homo****** offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

you ignore Paul in Romans

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

So as far as taking scripture out of context you seem to be good at at that.

You base your morality on what? How you feel about a certain issue on a certain day? What is the foundation of your moral beliefs?

[chauncy republicans]

You're no brother of mine.
If you were though, you'd have never gotten your ass beat for looking gay, that's for sure.

[chauncy republicans]

Not so fast Gleipnir, You on post 4 you started with the personal insults. Maverick Followed by losing his bearing on post 12

And you followed up on post 25 with this gem
Cut the fellas some slack though Doggie, I'm one ravishing beast, and it must be very frustrating for them to know I don't engage in their kind of bedsport.p-)

[wigon]

Ouch... now its coming out. SMEAR THE QUEER!!! Oh come on, don't tell me you guys didn't play that game when you were little kids. lol!

[Gleipnir]

Slander and insults..never once did I ever use a derogatory term for homo******s. I described what they do..and you claim it to be slanderous and insulting. Why? Is describing what so called "gay" people do somhow deragatory to them? My opinion is that they are immoral. I think adulterers and theives are immoral..is that slander? Is that an insult? I have a religious faith that differs from your..so in your opinion mine is "inane" and "pitiful", now who is being insulting.

You are a liar. This isn't the first time you have made disingenuous claims either. I am starting to think you aren't even aware of your own words or actions- shall I really go back and quote all of the un-necessarily derogatory ways you frame homo******s?

Also, you never address the majority of the questions I pose you, this leads me to believe that you aren't interested in dialogue.


So as far as taking scripture out of context you seem to be good at at that.

You base your morality on what? How you feel about a certain issue on a certain day? What is the foundation of your moral beliefs?

Reading comprehension:

As you may recall, I said the following:

Posting out of context Biblical passages (which translation are you using? How can you accept the exact accuracy of that translation as opposed to other versions) to support your point of view?

I can do that too.

I can do that too. See.

Homo******s have never hurt me and they have never made my life difficult to live.

I have lived with and befriended homo******s and I see them as people. They aren't all degenerates as you seem to insist. They are not all deviants, as you seem to insist.

They are people who are just as complex and diverse as any hetero******. Some even have higher moral standards than hetero******s I know.

Why should I find what they do immoral?

What is wrong with loving another human being? What is wrong with wanting partnership with another human being?

The Bible also tells me (if read literally, which has a history unto itself) that I should consider those who have had a divorce adulterers, that I should stone to death adulterers, that they should die.

This is not of the times.

I am open to think critically about what I read and experience in life.

Has a homo****** hurt you? Have they made your day to day life difficult to live?

Why are you so dedicated to saying that they are wrong?

Take into consideration your own life and your own actions- how can you be so self-righteous judging others if you are so upset with others judging you?

[LineDoggie]

Weasel?


Reading comprehension, Linedoggie-


This still holds true.

And Chauncy is fair game. As I have said, we have a history - as do you and I, Linedoggie.
You seem to love to comment on my posts, when it favours you.

Are we really going to do this? Spend time analyzing this?Spin whatever you want kiddo, you and Maverick lost your bearing within the first 2 pages of this and started the Personal Insults and invective. Now your trying to deflect that in a sad attempt to weasel out of taking responsibility for your words.

But, no matter, I'll put you on ignore as your postings are of no value.

[California Joe]

This thread is too stupid to live.