H1N1 - The flu/The vaccine.

[Rossdobby]

So last spring we started to hear about this new type of flu strain called h1n1. It became a huge thing there were travel bans everything. Then it went away. Then flu season hit and everyone started getting sick(big suprise). Then because the public was so scared they rushed out a vaccine. Now the public seams to be more scared of the vaccine then the flu itself so here are some fun facts.

Chances of dieing from h1n1? varies but roughly 5%
Chances of adverse health effects/ death from vaccine? 1 : 1,000,000.

There have been no recorded side effects worse then regular cold symptons.

So because it hasn't been thoroughly tested people are scared. However they made this vaccine the same way they made the original flu shot.

Whats in the vaccine? A non-contagious almost dormant version of the H1N1 virus... Yah side effects? maybe flu like symptons for a day.

[plato]

So last spring we started to hear about this new type of flu strain called h1n1. It became a huge thing there were travel bans everything. Then it went away. Then flu season hit and everyone started getting sick(big suprise). Then because the public was so scared they rushed out a vaccine. Now the public seams to be more scared of the vaccine then the flu itself so here are some fun facts.

Chances of dieing from h1n1? varies but roughly 5%
Chances of adverse health effects/ death from vaccine? 1 : 1,000,000.

There have been no recorded side effects worse then regular cold symptons.

So because it hasn't been thoroughly tested people are scared. However they made this vaccine the same way they made the original flu shot.

Whats in the vaccine? A non-contagious almost dormant version of the H1N1 virus... Yah side effects? maybe flu like symptons for a day.

source, please! thanks!

[chauncy republicans]

Whats in the vaccine? A non-contagious almost dormant version of the H1N1 virus... Yah side effects? maybe flu like symptons for a day.Work a little harder next time, you forgot to mention squalene and thiomersal, symptoms include Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I was told at the ER yesterday, that anybody with flu like symptoms is classified as having H1N1 because it's somehow safer for them.
Your a ****ing TV zombie if you take this vaccine.

[osnunez]

Work a little harder next time, you forgot to mention squalene and thiomersal, symptoms include Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I was told at the ER yesterday, that anybody with flu like symptoms is classified as having H1N1 because it's somehow safer for them.
Your a ****ing TV zombie if you take this vaccine.

This coming from an expert? Please, talk like this is ignorant.

[Zoomie]

This coming from an expert? Please, talk like this is ignorant.
Shut up, you ****ing TV zombie!! p-)

[Macs.]

Work a little harder next time, you forgot to mention squalene and thiomersal, symptoms include Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I was told at the ER yesterday, that anybody with flu like symptoms is classified as having H1N1 because it's somehow safer for them.
Your a ****ing TV zombie if you take this vaccine.

Good job on spreading more rumors about the vaccine.

This is exactly what the world needs now.

I can understand there are people who are sceptical, or even come up with good reasons why they don't take the vaccine, but coming up with conspiracy theories is helping no one. There are actually people out there now who really believe this is somekind of goverment conspiracy to put something into the people.

People shouldn't underestimate what kind of impact H1N1 might have, it actually might become really ugly.

[Zarak]

Didn't we just have a thread like this? Complete with poll?

[Johnny_H02]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it, way I see it is there is a slight chance the vaccine does me harm and theres a slight chance the strain of flu might do me harm so its lose/lose so long as it is so I might as well be safe than sorry.

[Kit]

I'll eventually get around to the vaccine. Viruses like H1N1 have a bad habit of being mild one year, and then being cough-your-lungs-out fatal the next year. I'll wait until everybody who needs it gets it, and then I'll get it.

As for you conspiracy theorists and people refusing to get the vaccine because the government advocates it: **** off. It's a vaccine, not nanomachines for the government to track you down. Stop pretending like it's 1984 and you're a big hero for speaking out against the vaccine. There was a time in world history when vaccines were a good thing. Now they're suddenly villianized because the government recommends them? Heaven forbid the government advocating something healthy!

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything. You would deserve getting the shortest straw if H1N1 turned deadly.

[shocker1]

Facts..
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm186102.htm

CSL Limited
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is formulated to contain 15 mcg HA per 0.5 mL dose of influenza A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus. The single-dose formulation is preservative-free; thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is not used in the manufacturing process for this formulation. The multi-dose formulation contains thimerosal, added as a preservative; each 0.5 mL dose contains 24.5 mcg of mercury.
A single 0.5 mL dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine contains sodium chloride (4.1 mg), monobasic sodium phosphate (80 mcg), dibasic sodium phosphate (300 mcg), monobasic potassium phosphate (20 mcg), potassium chloride (20 mcg), and calcium chloride (1.5 mcg). From the manufacturing process, each dose may also contain residual amounts of sodium taurodeoxycholate (≤ 10 ppm), ovalbumin (≤ 1 mcg), neomycin sulfate (≤ 0.2 picograms [pg]), polymyxin B (≤ 0.03 pg), and beta-propiolactone (< 25 nanograms).


Sanofi Pasteur, Inc.
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is formulated to contain 15 mcg hemagglutinin (HA) of influenza A/California/07/2009 (H1N1) v-like virus per 0.5 mL dose. Gelatin 0.05% is added as a stabilizer. Each 0.5 mL dose may contain residual amounts of formaldehyde (not more than 100 mcg), polyethylene glycol p-isooctylphenyl ether (not more than 0.02%), and sucrose (not more than 2.0%).

[gustav]

Thousands of people die in the US from the "ordinary" flu every year.

[chauncy republicans]

Good job on spreading more rumors about the vaccine.
Just look up the list of ingredients and side effects, due diligence will get you far in life.

[Cstafford]

Im not getting the vaccine, not because im scared of the go'ment, but because I am lazy and not scared of the H1N1 hype.

Was listening to Boortz the other day and some guy called up claiming FEMA was going to put anyone that doesn't get the vaccine in a concentration camp and wrist band people who got the H1N1. It brought many lols.

[Stefan850]

Chances of dieing from h1n1? varies but roughly 5%
.

Some fun facts, yeah right.
Learn to spell and stop lying.

[Polygon]

Im not getting the vaccine, not because im scared of the go'ment, but because I am lazy and not scared of the H1N1 hype.


Pretty much this. I also haven't caught the flu in a number of years, and if it so happens that I get the bacon variety, I'll just tough it out. I've had hang overs much worse than the average flu at least.

[Alpheus]

To all those idiots out there how refuse to get vaccinated:

Fine. If you die because of your ignorance, I won't feel sorry for you since you won't be stealing anymore of my oxygen and you'll raise the IQ level of the human race.

[Jµµso]

To all those idiots out there how refuse to get vaccinated: Fine. If you die because of your ignorance, I won't feel sorry for you since you won't be stealing anymore of my oxygen and you'll raise the IQ level of the human race. That's a very big IF.

[kahn267]

i got it
now i have peace of mind

as i said in the previous one, my friend whos a professional kick boxer got the flu and he said he felt like he was going to die it was so bad and stong... and this guy is so damn fit its ridiculous..

now i dont need to worry about getting sick like that from a quick painless needle in the arm

[Holstein]

Isnt the thing with this flu that its just as dangerous to young people as the normal flu is to the old people?

well well anyway im getting it as i work on the ER and the lot that got the bacon usually comes around instead of staying home

[Ritual]

My old man has it, hope I don't catch it from him. :-(

[shocker1]

Could not get a shot if I even wanted one. It will be a cold day in hell when I spray LIVE H1N1 up my nose.

Officials at the Catoosa County Health Department said they have run out of the H1N1 vaccine.

Stacy Henderson, a registered nurse with the department, said the supply of the mist vac-cine ran out on Tuesday.

The target group for that vaccine, which came in the form of a nasal mist, was ages 2-4.

The health department was originally told it would receive more mist vaccines and a supply of injectable vaccines by the end of this month. This would allow for different age groups to be vaccinated.

“It’s up to the manufacturer when we receive the vaccines,” Henderson said. “Hopefully we’ll receive both (vaccines) soon.”

She said the state decides the target group for which the vaccine is given.

This week President Barack Obama declared H1N1 a national emergency.
http://www.walkermessenger.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Catoosa+County+Health+Department+out+of+H1N1+vaccine%20&id=4175101

[Spezz]

To all those idiots out there how refuse to get vaccinated:

Fine. If you die because of your ignorance, I won't feel sorry for you since you won't be stealing anymore of my oxygen and you'll raise the IQ level of the human race.
Not sure on the IQ raising but it will finally raise yours to almost average.

The last time I had flu was probably 6 years ago and it was a stomach flu, no biggie.
Haven't been sick in years. Not worried.

[gazell]

Chances of dieing from h1n1? varies but roughly 5%




As of 11 October, 49 out of 53 Member States had reported over 61 000 cases.
The large majority of the reported cases have been mild. Nevertheless, as of 11 October 2009, 193 laboratory-confirmed deaths in 18 countries had been reported to WHO/Europe.

http://www.euro.who.int/influenza/AH1N1/20091026_1


In the US it's higher, but nowhere near 5%:

http://new.paho.org/hq/images/atlas/en/atlas.html

[Chulo]

To all those idiots out there how refuse to get vaccinated:

Fine. If you die because of your ignorance, I won't feel sorry for you since you won't be stealing anymore of my oxygen and you'll raise the IQ level of the human race.
So you will die IF you dont get vaccinated?
or IF you catch H1N1 you will die?

[chauncy republicans]

Believing H1N1 is going to be some mass murdering pandemic is just as ridiculous as claiming FEMA's going to put you in a camp if you don't receive the vaccine.

Tin Foil hatter's are everywhere.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

H1N1 is much more dangerous for kids so my kids will get it but the wife and I won't.

I have no qualms about the safety of the vaccine. When I was in the military I got so many vaccinations that I filled 3 full personal immunization records. Only the CIA and Jesus know what's flowing around in my veins...yet I seem to be perfectly fine. I'm just glad that all this anti-vaccination hysteria wasn't quite so bad back when we were getting rid of Polio and Smallpox.

[chauncy republicans]

I'm just glad that all this anti-vaccination hysteria wasn't quite so bad back when we were getting rid of Polio and Smallpox. Two different things though, H1N1 is being blown out of proportion by media hype, the same media hype that convinced the US electorate to shoot themselves in the foot this last election. Numbers don't lie, talking heads and politicians do. Killer Bees, West Nile Virus, the Millennium bug, FEMA camps, and Black Helicopters ect. we've seen and heard this kind of garbage before, fear sells.

Just out of curiosity, did you get severe flu like symptoms after your first round of service vaccinations?

[BAF]

I just got it today ;) as a nursing student there is no way around it. I cant afford to get sick when working in the hospital.

[gazell]

H1N1 is much more dangerous for kids so my kids will get it but the wife and I won't.

I have no qualms about the safety of the vaccine. When I was in the military I got so many vaccinations that I filled 3 full personal immunization records. Only the CIA and Jesus know what's flowing around in my veins...yet I seem to be perfectly fine. I'm just glad that all this anti-vaccination hysteria wasn't quite so bad back when we were getting rid of Polio and Smallpox.

I'm glad you are saying that. Correct, pregnant women and young children are most ****e to serious cases and those with certain diseases. Healthy adults are unlikely to need any vaccination against current variants of the virus. People working in key areas are quite rightly vaccinated during epidemics not for reasons of hysteria about the dangers of the disease but for the smooth running of the country.

[Couch Commando]

I also work in a hospital and just recieved the regular flu shot and the H1N1 shot...I asked the nurse who gave it to me if it was safe to have both and she told me that they recommend to get both.

[Abschaum]

No, this flue thingy is overhyped.

[Chulo]

No, this flue thingy is overhyped.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4571/7dedde0fc3c144562980706.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/7dedde0fc3c144562980706.jpg/)
Flue


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/673/2596f4fe92ceb0183011480.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/2596f4fe92ceb0183011480.jpg/)


Flu

[seraosha]

A friend of mine stationed in Germany has his entire platoon down with the H1N1. Their wives are freaking out because they and the kids have it too.

It's just an unusual flu strain, but it should not be ignored about how quickly it came about, mutated and spread as a pandemic.

We might not be so lucky next time.

[chauncy republicans]

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[gazell]

A friend of mine stationed in Germany has his entire platoon down with the H1N1. Their wives are freaking out because they and the kids have it too.

It's just an unusual flu strain, but it should not be ignored about how quickly it came about, mutated and spread as a pandemic.

We might not be so lucky next time.

They mutate fast. The thing is, we can only produce a reliable vaccine, when we have the mutant.p-) All the rest is just sort of luck, mostly.:lol:

We have currently about near 40 variants of the virus the vaccines are not effective against. People with these clever conspiracy theories have no frigging clue what they are on about.

[timetraveller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5p_bD3uLc

[seraosha]

People with these clever conspiracy theories have no frigging clue what they are on about.

Well when you find one, you be sure to let me know...my buddy at the CDC likes to collect the more "out there" theories. He's one of the guys that actually tests the samples sent in to track the changes, pretty cool gig imo.

I read the "Hot Zone" so thats pretty much the last place you'd find me but YMMV.

[BlackFlag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5p_bD3uLc

Dude. That's f*cked up.

[Spezz]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu
ahahaha

[Rossdobby]

Your right I messed up on the numbers but basically here is what they are

Chances of dieing from h1n1 4/1000
Chances of dieing from vaccine 1:1000,000

These are from the Canadian Public Health Agency you can google it if you don't believe me.
I have been vaccinated. Im now on day 3 I was sick for the first day and now I feel fine. My buddy currently is in quarantine from H1N1. Guess who the only visitors he has had? Me and his family why because were vaccinated.

The one thing about this flu is people think when there young there stronger. Generally this is true however everyone over 30 or so has already been vaccinated. So were at a higher risk then the middle agers.

BTW: I can type however I can only use my left hand at the moment so its harder to get all the right buttons (Not jerking anything, Broke it working)

[Redox]

Your right I messed up on the numbers but basically here is what they are

Chances of dieing from h1n1 4/1000
Chances of dieing from vaccine 1:1000,000

These are from the Canadian Public Health Agency you can google it if you don't believe me.

These numbers are not the one and only truth.
You can find very different numbers from different sources. E.g. many mild cases are not reported in several countries, so the actual death rate is probably much lower.
Furthermore children and people with chronic diseases have a much higher risk, the risk for a healthy adult is considerably lower than 1/10000

In Germany there were 25000 confirmed H1N1 cases so far and only 2 of them died. One was a 5 year old, the other a woman with diabetes that weighed 180 kg and smoked. So there is really no need to panic.

Still, you are right that the risk of dying from the vaccine is lower than dying from H1N1. I just dont get the shot out of lazyness.

[Rossdobby]

Its not really that Im worried I just Don't wanna go through 2 weeks of sickness and confinement. Your right the cases in countries vary However I was using my own countries stats. I believe we are more at risk here In Canada then alot of other countries. mainly because our climate. I'm not against people not getting it. Im just against people that don't get it and think its some huge conspiracy.

[Redox]

I just Don't wanna go through 2 weeks of sickness and confinement
yeah from that perspective it makes sense
and of course it could always mutate and become more dangerous

[Bob the Builder on Crack]

voted no, "it'll never happen to me"

with all seriousness, living in Canada or any developed country you should have sufficient medical care before it gets deadly. That said, i'm not saying i'm immune to it but I feel safe living where I am. As long as everyone covers thier mouth when they cough and regularly wash thier hands we should be fine.

[CARL GUSTAV]

My mother-inlaw is a homiopath and sent me this.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)-it is one of the
> most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
> called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
> autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.
> The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet.
> This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
> syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
> increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). T his virus
> H1N1 kills by causing a "cytokine storm", which means that it cause
> the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
> young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
> weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
> stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
> of the virus much greater.


> One's best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease
> begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3
> modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
> overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
> antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
> does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
> higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
> (the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
> reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
> For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
> various kinds also help-this includes, quercetin, curcumin, gr
> apeseed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good
> multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core (www.vrp.com (http://www.vrp.com/)) is also
> essential

[Bia]

H1N1 to me... is like Satan... I really dont worry about either and think they're each overhyped.

[Kit]

My mother-inlaw is a homiopath and sent me this.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)-it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised... blah blah blah
...One's best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease
A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core (www.vrp.com (http://www.vrp.com/)) is also
essential

I'm sorry, but that link to that vitamin shop ruins the credibility of that entire email. Supplement stores love to make a fast dollar with messages like that.

[Johnny_H02]

My mother-inlaw is a homiopath and sent me this.


Stopped reading after that, sorry pseudo-sciences and special medicines have very little to know scientific proof in their corner except maybe the odd patient who lucks out due to the placebo effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI

[Rossdobby]

I wouldn't say that I have been to a homiopath and came out with much less pain I do not trust there opinion on this though

[CARL GUSTAV]

Stopped reading after that, sorry pseudo-sciences and special medicines have very little to know scientific proof in their corner except maybe the odd patient who lucks out due to the placebo effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI

You getting the shot?

[Bacon]

No flu shots for me.

[Huhtis]

Got my swine flu shot yesterday since FDF in its great wisdom is willing to give it for us lowly conscript medics before rest of FDF personnel (of course it was voluntary, just had to say no if you dont want to get vaccinated). No side effects so far apart from the place where they injected it being little sore.

And no, they didnt give even 1 day of VMTL ;).

I think the hype around vaccine is getting out of control, stop being such little sissys!

[INAT]

Amazing to see all this hype and fearmongering to get vaccinated.
Is the theory to depopulate this planet is in fact true?

Why besides greed would the WHO and big Pharma be doing this?


It looks like the majority is starting to open their eyes and question the truth not just about this but everything.

[cx2115]

Not for me, a good flu is to the immune system what a good workout is for the muscles... heh.

In all seriousness, H1N1 is over-rated and I don't mind waiting to see if there's a Spanish flu style second wave. That, and I couldn't be arsed.


Edit: Also, if its a choice between drowning in my own fluids or winding up a neurological cripple a la the cheerleader... hand me the coffin brochure!

[Dan2004]

Nope. Never got a flu shot, haven't had the flu in over a decade.

[deagle]

hey, it can't hurt but help right ?

(hope its not vice-versa)

[ting]

Don't take the vaccine! I took it yesterday, and now my arm is really soar.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/1201.gif

I really feel it's soar when I touch the area were that huge needle stung me.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/310.gif

[kkbou]

Got the shot last week.

Felt like hell for 3 days. More moody than usual! and very sleepy.

Ive had many vaccines before but none had these sorts of symptoms.

Anyway, I don't regret it.

[Rossdobby]

Yah i was slow for a few days to. Its just your body making itself sick by fighting off the flu.

We had a commercial here were the chief public health officer told us it was al good.

[kkbou]

I am glad I got the symptoms. They were evidence of a response.

[pascalywood]

Got the shot a few weeks ago. Felt like **** the day after. Id rather be non-operationnal one day because of the shot than 3 weeks because of the flu.

[gazell]

Don't take the vaccine! I took it yesterday, and now my arm is really soar.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/1201.gif

I really feel it's soar when I touch the area were that huge needle stung me.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/310.gif

Oh, you have a sore arm, pure ting.

[ting]

Oh, you have a sore arm, pure ting.

Thank you.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/1178.gif

[gazell]

Thank you.http://emoticons4u.com/sad/1178.gif

I really meant to put a smilie there, but thank god, you understood. I hope you get better soon.

[ting]

I really meant to put a smilie there, but thank god, you understood. I hope you get better soon.

rofl
No problems mate, if it's still soar tomorrow I will just call mummyp-)