Beta C Mags

[Geezah]

http://www.betaco.com/betafast.wmv

Quite impressive :D

[platform389]

http://www.betaco.com/betafast.wmv

Quite impressive :D

Err... let's just say in practice, it "ain't quite all that"....

...loves to jam despite what they would have you believe here. :|

[Geezah]

http://www.betaco.com/betafast.wmv

Quite impressive :D

Err... let's just say in practice, it "ain't quite all that"....

...loves to jam despite what they would have you believe here. :|

Is it worth getting one when the bans goes by bye bye???

[ZeroPositive]

lol I got the airsoft C mag and even that Jams......
ironic...must be really made by the same company...

now gotta say that was cheesey music..

[platform389]

Is it worth getting one when the bans goes by bye bye???

Better to spend your money on these. NIW USGI mags are the very best you can get.

http://store3.yimg.com/I/cdnn_1797_118539

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar230gimanew.html

Your black friend will be happy and go bang bang every time. :D

[flickme]

Ive read that those things are pretty crappy over in iraq.

[Herrmannek]

Crapy or not having one or two lying in hummer's trunk isn't to bad idea...

[MVSpartan117]

I read a story where a soldier entered a house and there were two American soldiers (they may have been rangers) both were dead on the floor, each had a C-Mag in their M-4s.... both M-4s were jammed :|

[Geezah]

Is it worth getting one when the bans goes by bye bye???

Better to spend your money on these. NIW USGI mags are the very best you can get.

http://store3.yimg.com/I/cdnn_1797_118539

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar230gimanew.html

Your black friend will be happy and go bang bang every time. :D

I have a bunch of the British SA80 mags from Ammoman and I love those things, at some point I want to get some Thermolds.

For when the ban expires I just preordered two NIB Beta C mags for $249.99ea which is allot better than $500-$700ea that some are charging for preban ones, for civilian use these things can't be that bad?

[ZeroPositive]

well when u get it give us a report :D

[Herrmannek]

I read a story where a soldier entered a house and there were two American soldiers (they may have been rangers) both were dead on the floor, each had a C-Mag in their M-4s.... both M-4s were jammed :|

IMHO its BS story... If those mags would be so bad they would not use them... Simple as string.... It's not a rifle when soldier hasn't chance to use other...It's mag...he can easily colect enough amount of normal mags if he doesn't want to use c-ones....

[MVSpartan117]

Well it's just what I read

[Herrmannek]

Well it's just what I read

I know. I just rationalise...

[Royal]

I have a bunch of the British SA80 mags from Ammoman and I love those things, at some point I want to get some Thermolds.

Colt, Radway Green or Heckler & Koch?

IMHO Colts were great, RG crap and H&K good (other than the fact that they don't fit in anything else).

[pettifogger]

It is not difficult to find reports of how badly the Beta C-mag jams. For example, http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jul2003/a072803b.html

The time it takes to change out between a jammed C-Mag and a normal USGI mag can be the crucial seconds between life and death.

[tuckerhat]

isnt it bad luck to name your company "beta" :roll:

[Eike, ger]

I would prefer the NIW USGI mags if I had the choice.
C-Mag is to heavy... You have a different aiming with it because of the different emphasis. And its to heavy to hold it in position while you are standing (I hope you understand what I´m trying to say. For the geman here: um es stehend in Anschlag zu halten,ist es zu scher auf Dauer).

I can´t say somethig about jams...

100 Rounds are better than 30.... But if you have a good aiming and you are used to change your mag, the NIW USGI mag is enough

[Michael RVR]

Personally i've never used them, but if they didn't jam they wouldn't seem like a bad idea... bear in mind though what situation would actually warrant you using one?

And also, would you be better off in that situation with a minimi (m249) ?
gotta wonder. ;)

[Geezah]

Allot of the hype for civilians to own these comes from the AWB, if you're constantly telling someone they can't have something, they want it that much more, now currently you can purchase a preban Beta C (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/arbedr10wlot.html) for $799 and this is only because there is a market for them, again being told you can't own them. Now the AWB sunsets on 9/13 which means there will be a window/eye of the storm before something else is put in and in that time you can have all the evil features on your firearms which would be Grandfathered in when a new ban is in place. So in this window I expect to see preban prices drop and I hope not to pay $39-$49 for P226 factory hi caps and so on seeing as LEO only pay around $15 for them NIB.
If I purchase one of the Beta Cs and a new ban is put in place I can see the price some people would pay for it rise well above the $249.99 that I'll be paying.

Also Ammoman (http://www.ammoman.com/AR15MAG2.htm) is where I currently get my British SA80 mags which function flawlessly :D

Also here's a FAQ (http://magfaq.tripod.com) on M16/AR15 mags

[maw]

the original quote goes something like:
"a U.S. Army Ranger operating in Afghanistan. He came across two dead U.S. soldiers who had C-mags in their M4s, both of which were jammed. He told me, “I can’t believe after all the reports we have given the Army that they still buy this piece of gear and issue it to soldiers. It cost the lives of two U.S. soldiers.”
it is attributable to travis mitchell, former USMC S.O.T.G. chief urban sniper instructor and current military sales manager over at Surefire.
while i can't vouch for travis' source i believe that there has been at least one pj fatality attributed to the c-mag. for some reason the air force loves 'em.



I read a story where a soldier entered a house and there were two American soldiers (they may have been rangers) both were dead on the floor, each had a C-Mag in their M-4s.... both M-4s were jammed :|

IMHO its BS story... If those mags would be so bad they would not use them... Simple as string.... It's not a rifle when soldier hasn't chance to use other...It's mag...he can easily colect enough amount of normal mags if he doesn't want to use c-ones....

[maw]

all you active service types should read the TACOM brief about the c mag, in summary just say no.

http://www.infantry.army.mil/infforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=238

for everyone else these's this (scroll down to page 5):
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:SdLOtFN__H4J:www.bragg.army.mil/afvc-a/FRG/Desert%2520Devil%2520Dispatch/dddvol29.pdf+C-mag+afghanistan&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

imho, there's no tactical need for handheld sustained full auto fire. if you need a saw get a saw and at least you'll have a removable barrel.

[Geezah]

Right Click and Save As,
http://www.cmmginc.com/vids/Beta_Dump_M2.mpg

Now that is cool :D

[Ezra Coli]

...themold...

I actually like the Israeli Orlites over thermolds for the AR, they are cheap too, and I have at least 25 of them for my Bushy. Three were early mold pattern mags that wouldn't seat in the Bushmaster magwell, but a few strokes with a rasp along the mag's stop lip fixed all three. USGI is indeed the best of them.

When the ban sunsets it will be interesting to see if we can indeed get Beta-C mags again, without spending an arm and a leg. You have to have at least one kust because you can, unfortunately they are too expensive at the moment.

[Geezah]

...themold...

I actually like the Israeli Orlites over thermolds for the AR, they are cheap too, and I have at least 25 of them for my Bushy. Three were early mold pattern mags that wouldn't seat in the Bushmaster magwell, but a few strokes with a rasp along the mag's stop lip fixed all three. USGI is indeed the best of them.

When the ban sunsets it will be interesting to see if we can indeed get Beta-C mags again, without spending an arm and a leg. You have to have at least one kust because you can, unfortunately they are too expensive at the moment.

Hi Ezra,

I've heard bad things about the Orlites so that's why I was looking at the Thermolds? On the Beta C I just preordered 2 for $491.95.

If you're interested check out the link, AR15.Com (http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=24&t=215842)

[Geezah]

Here's the MP5 with Beta C

Right Click and Save As,
http://www.cmmginc.com/vids/Beta_Dump_MP5A2.mpg

:D

[Ezra Coli]

Hi Ezra,

I've heard bad things about the Orlites so that's why I was looking at the Thermolds? On the Beta C I just preordered 2 for $491.95.


I've usually heard it the other way around, that the Thermolds have been called "Ther-melts", but I always figured if it was really that bad they would never have made it into production as an issue-item.

Nahhh, can't afford a Cmag yet, I'm more of an AK freak first, and have a few projects for the coming of the nice sunset in september to fund... :D

[bishop1]

Yeah, @ Spartan, that was in the Surefire catalog, wasnt it, showing the weapons and equipment used by U.S. Forces to"get some" thats an awesome magazine (as in the publication)

[Geezah]

Hi Ezra,

I've heard bad things about the Orlites so that's why I was looking at the Thermolds? On the Beta C I just preordered 2 for $491.95.


I've usually heard it the other way around, that the Thermolds have been called "Ther-melts", but I always figured if it was really that bad they would never have made it into production as an issue-item.

Nahhh, can't afford a Cmag yet, I'm more of an AK freak first, and have a few projects for the coming of the nice sunset in september to fund... :D

You you check out the link (http://magfaq.tripod.com/) it says that the Thermold mags that the Canadian army refered to as Ther-melt were
The Canadian military licensed the Thermold design, but did not use Zytel as the polymer, using a less expensive plastic as a substitute.
This was not a wise decision, and the Canadian military had problems as a result. The most famous problem was the feed lips melting when their ARs were fired for extended periods on full auto (especially with blanks), leading the Canadians to dub the magazines "Thermelts". The other common problem was the mags splitting or cracking in cold temperatures or when dropped. After Desert Storm, the Canadian military changed to USGI aluminum mags, which are now standard issue.


and here's what it says about the USA made ones,


Thermold magazines were developed by Master Molder in Wilson, South Carolina, and were "pitched" to the US military as a replacement to aluminum "USGI" mags, but the US military was unable to come to an agreement with the owner. Master Molder then licensed the design to the Canadian military, who manufactured a version of the Thermold 30-rounder as the standard-issue magazine for their military.
Thermold magazines are made from a dark gray polymer and have anti-tilt followers. They have several reinforcement ribs across the lower half of the mag body.
The most common of the Thermold mags, these were made using DuPont Zytel, a fiberglass-impregnated plastic that is very strong and has a high melt temperature.

here's the info on Orlite's

Orlite magazines were developed for the Israeli Armed Forces. The bodies are made from high-melt-temp black nylon with a steel reinforement mesh imbedded in the top 1.5 inches to strengthen the feed lips. New Orlites come with a rubber cap to help keep sand out of the mag.
Orlites have a rib around the middle of the mag which helps to seal the bottom of the mag well and also prevents the magazine from being over-inserted and the feed lips damaged. The location of the rib was based on the deep mag well beveling on Colt M16s, and in ARs that aren't beveled as deeply, early Orlites won't seat completely. This is easily correctable by trimming a bit of material from the top surface of the over-insertion rib; just enough to allow the mag to seat. This problem only occurs with early Orlites with mold numbers from 0/1 to 0/19. Starting with batch 0/20, the rib was moved about 1/32" further down the mag body, and these later mags work in all ARs with no modification. Used Orlites are often found at gun shows with their over-insertion ribs completely ground off. Avoid these mags, as it's too easy for these mags to be over-inserted, banging the feedlips against the bolt or getting stuck.
Orlites are quite reliable, and were general issue in the Israeli Army through the 80s, but it was found that they don't hold up to hard combat use as well as USGI mags, which Israel switched to in the 90s.


I started out as an AK man but moved more on to Sigs and ARs (or as I like to call them Lego guns :P ) and yes I too can't wait until Sept 13th woot

[1Shot-1Kill]

This is all you need. These are awsome!!!

http://www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?

Those C-Mags are crap. There getting people killed in theatre.

[Geezah]

This is all you need. These are awsome!!!

http://www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?

Those C-Mags are crap. There getting people killed in theatre.

Are you talking about the mag loader?

[1Shot-1Kill]

No, not the mag loader. The Magpul Ranger Plates.

[Geezah]

No, not the mag loader. The Magpul Ranger Plates.

I was checking these out the other day in a AR15 mag that just came out, the things look cool but the price is abit too high for me.