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megjur

10-30-2009, 09:53 AM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1-zN6PVBToCRpB9wabv0B3_jUfwD9BLEKM80

From the article:
"Russia fails to protect journalists, activists, prison inmates and others at odds with authorities from a wide range of abuses, including torture and murder, the U.N. Human Rights Committee said Friday"

and

"The report said Russia was responsible for reported attacks on civilians by armed groups in South Ossetia in the aftermath of the August 2008 war with Georgia, and called for Moscow to investigate those abuses"

and

"
The harshest criticism, perhaps, was reserved for the Russian justice system in Chechnya and other parts of the North Caucasus region. The panel cited reports of torture, forced disappearance, arbitrary arrest and extrajudicial killing in those regions committed by the military and security services, saying the perpetrators "appear to enjoy widespread impunity" from punishment for their actions.

finally:

"
The expert panel said it also was concerned about violence against lesbian, gay and bi****** persons, including reports of police harassment. It said it received reports of people being assaulted or even killed because they were gay or lesbian. The panel said it was concerned at the "systematic discrimination against individuals on the basis of their ****** orientation" in Russia."

LineDoggie

10-30-2009, 10:08 AM

****storm in 3.....2......1......

gazell

10-30-2009, 10:21 AM

I am glad to see that the original poster is now so concerned about discrimination against ****** otherness.p-)

Holycrusader

10-30-2009, 10:22 AM

Megjur do you want to defend gay and lesbian rights in Russia? Thats quaite suprising...

xzx

10-30-2009, 10:26 AM

sarhat

10-30-2009, 10:27 AM

my opinion, mayor of Moscow ban gay parade, because he is a humanist, he cares about them and their health.

Stormz_STA

10-30-2009, 10:31 AM

Iraq: killing fields for journalists
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=26768

US troops accused of killing journalist in Iraq
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=41244

Iraq: Killing Of Journalists On The Rise
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1077154.html

You really want to compare Russia to Iraq? I think Russians have higher standards than that ^.

my opinion, mayor of Moscow ban gay parade, because he is a humanist, he cares about them and their health.

Sarcasm? ;)

xzx

10-30-2009, 10:34 AM

You really want to compare Russia to Iraq? I think Russians have higher standards than that ^.

Chechnya and Ingushetia, not Russia.

And yes, they have higher standards. The number of killed journalists there not even comparable with Iraq.

LineDoggie

10-30-2009, 10:36 AM

And on the 3rd Post the personal attacks started

Bravo, y'all never let me down.

Stormz_STA

10-30-2009, 10:36 AM

Chechnya and Ingushetia, not Russia.

Do you want me to give you a lecture on geography?

Mr.K

10-30-2009, 10:37 AM

You really want to compare Russia to Iraq? I think Russians have higher standards than that ^.

Sarcasm? ;)

Iraq is obivously better, they are liberated by the americans and other freedom loving nations. Russia has the murderous KGB regime. :|

sarhat

10-30-2009, 10:37 AM

Sarcasm? ;)

No, some overstatement, but I sure, it will detonate disorders.
We have some organize groups (one of them like ideologic skinhead scums) in Moscow, which will try to cancel this parade

Stormz_STA

10-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Iraq is obivously better...

I do hope you're kidding, Ivan.
;)

Derbedeu

10-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Iraq is obivously better, they are liberated by the americans and other freedom loving nations. Russia has the murderous FSB regime. :|

Fixed........

megjur

10-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Mr.K

10-30-2009, 10:39 AM

No, some overstatement, but I sure, it will detonate disorders.
We have some organize groups (one of them like ideologic skinhead scums) in Moscow, which will try to cancel this parade

Do you still have those crazy orthodox group that dress in black and wear serbian hats? Ironically they are all men :)

megjur

10-30-2009, 10:39 AM

And on the 3rd Post the personal attacks started

Bravo, y'all never let me down.

Yeah..I figured it wouldn't take long. If you can't debate the information, attack the messenger.

Mr.K

10-30-2009, 10:41 AM

Yeah..I figured it wouldn't take long. If you can't debate the information, attack the messenger.

If you know what will result after a brilliant thread of yours, why do you post it? Or deliberatly creating ****storms is your hobby?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 10:44 AM

If you know what will result after a brilliant thread of yours, why do you post it? Or deliberatly creating ****storms is your hobby?

Maybe because it's interesting news ? For us western's ??

gazell

10-30-2009, 10:44 AM

And on the 3rd Post the personal attacks started

Bravo, y'all never let me down.

Oh, common, that was funny!

Otherwise, we seem to have this posted every other week.

sarhat

10-30-2009, 10:49 AM

Do you still have those crazy orthodox group that dress in black and wear serbian hats? Ironically they are all men :)

:) sometimes women, but it's hardly recognize.

yes, they are here. Have a good discipline, well organize. On forums there were united voice, that in Moscow gay parade banned.
And I think militia wouldn't active help gays in this cancelation.
Mayer do it right with ban.

xzx

10-30-2009, 10:49 AM

Do you want me to give you a lecture on geography?

In your geography Chechnya and Ingushetia are just different names of Russia? Maybe you should consider some additional elementary school education?

megjur

10-30-2009, 10:55 AM

If you know what will result after a brilliant thread of yours, why do you post it? Or deliberatly creating ****storms is your hobby?

Honestly I was hoping for some actual debate on the issue. Some have said on MPNet that there is freed om of press in Russia. This article paints a different picture. Why is there so much press suppression in Russia? Why is the Russian government afraid of the Russian people hearing opposing viewpoints? How can we in the west believe anything that comes out of Russia if this article is true?

xzx

10-30-2009, 11:07 AM

Honestly I was hoping for some actual debate on the issue. Some have said on MPNet that there is freed om of press in Russia. This article paints a different picture. Why is there so much press suppression in Russia? Why is the Russian government afraid of the Russian people hearing opposing viewpoints? How can we in the west believe anything that comes out of Russia if this article is true?

Why is there so much press supression in Iraq by US and west? Why US goverment afraid of press freedom in Iraq?

How can you believe anything comes out of Russia? It was just shown to you, that press freedoms in Russia much higher than west imposed in Iraq.

So you should believe Russia much more than US and west. What the problem understanding this?

Stormz_STA

10-30-2009, 11:11 AM

In your geography Chechnya and Ingushetia are just different names of Russia? Maybe you should consider some additional elementary school education?

Are you just taking the piss?
I hope you do understand Chechnya and Ingushetia are a part of Russia.

xzx

10-30-2009, 11:14 AM

Are you just taking the piss?
I hope you do understand Chechnya and Ingushetia are a part of Russia.

Yes they are, but they are not equal to Russia.

Stormz_STA

10-30-2009, 11:17 AM

Yes they are, but they are not equal to Russia.

You contradict yourself.

Anyways, I'm off to a dinner with my gf and then to get ****faced.
Cheers.

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 11:17 AM

Thats right Russia crowd...don't discuss the problem..throw up red herrings about how other places are worse...claim the areas aren't "really" Russia. You guys are sooooo predictable.
If the only place you can come up with that has a worse record of journalist murders is Iraq, well thats pretty sorry.

Funny how you have not been banned yet. I get suspended for comments about America and their policy, yet you still run around trying to give a bad image to a country with no obvious care what they do, only as long as it is bad so you can try to mock the country. At least I give a crap about American people and hope for the best. You just want wrong doing to Russians. You don't even have to say it, simply the threads you start to the comments you make is more then enough evidence.

Pathetic really. I hope the mods are laughing at this.

Edit: Oh, and if you are hoping to start a conversation or debate on a concept that is old and has beaten to death, then maybe just look around on the net or previous threads about this issue. People get murderd, Journalists are no higher/lower class humans, just people who get themselves into a mess for coverage.

xzx

10-30-2009, 11:23 AM

You contradict yourself.

No.

They are inside Russia, but not the same thing as Russia.

Mr.K

10-30-2009, 11:39 AM

Funny how you have not been banned yet. I get suspended for comments about America and their policy, yet you still run around trying to give a bad image to a country with no obvious care what they do, only as long as it is bad so you can try to mock the country. At least I give a crap about American people and hope for the best. You just want wrong doing to Russians. You don't even have to say it, simply the threads you start to the comments you make is more then enough evidence.

Pathetic really. I hope the mods are laughing at this.

Edit: Oh, and if you are hoping to start a conversation or debate on a concept that is old and has beaten to death, then maybe just look around on the net or previous threads about this issue. People get murderd, Journalists are no higher/lower class humans, just people who get themselves into a mess for coverage.

You get suspended because this is a private message board with a certain view on things, nothing is fair here. I'm not ranting, just a quick reminder of the rules.

Maybe because it's interesting news ? For us western's ??
Please explain why is it interesting.

Frutzel

10-30-2009, 11:59 AM

Please explain why is it interesting.

Come on man p-) You don't realy expect a serious answer to that, do you ?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:02 PM

Come on man p-) You don't realy expect a serious answer to that, do you ?

What do you mean?

This isn't interesting.. that journalist are getting killed in Russia in numbers?? Perhaps not if you don't believe in democrazy and freedom.

Frutzel

10-30-2009, 12:08 PM

What do you mean?

This isn't interesting.. that journalist are getting killed in Russia in numbers?? Perhaps not if you don't believe in democrazy and freedom.

Thats right Fairbrass I hate freedom and don't believe in democracy!:roll: Because I don't feel the desire to talk about the same "**** storm" topics again and again. Show me at least one thread about this topic which didn't turn ugly. Its allways the same with the same "lectureres" who cry about journalists getting killed but at the same time never give a **** about the other journalists dying elsewhere. You are a ****ing hypocrite who IS allways interested to throw some dirt in every "R" related thread. So don't ask so clueless "what do you mean?!". You know exactly what I mean

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:14 PM

Thats right Fairbrass I hate freedom and don't believe in democracy!:roll: Because I don't feel the desire to talk about the same "**** storm" topics again and again. Show me at least one thread about this topic which didn't turn ugly. Its allways the same with the same "lectureres" who cry about journalists getting killed but at the same time never give a **** about the other journalists dying elsewhere. You are a ****ing hypocrite who IS allways interested to throw some dirt in every "R" related thread. So don't ask so clueless "what do you mean?!". You know exactly what I mean

Don't look, don't post if don't have anything on the topic Stalinboy.. ??
Who just attack who? You allways start.. so just piss off!

TakeIt

10-30-2009, 12:22 PM

Don't look, don't post if don't have anything on the topic Stalinboy.. ?? Oh, wow..

Who just attack who? You allways start.. so just piss off!
You don't believe in democrazy and freedom?

Frutzel

10-30-2009, 12:22 PM

Don't look, don't post if don't have anything on the topic Stalinboy.. ??
Who just attack who? You allways start.. so just piss off!

Because I don't take part in this "our democracy is 1000 times superior to others" crap? Ridicule yourself a little bit more. I guess you need to take your **** elsewhere, since serieurmarshall isn't posting about "R" accidents every day.

xzx

10-30-2009, 12:23 PM

What do you mean?

This isn't interesting.. that journalist are getting killed in Russia in numbers?? Perhaps not if you don't believe in democrazy and freedom.

Strange that you interested only about journalists killed in Russia, NATO fanboy. Maybe you should be more interested about other places?

http://cpj.org/killed/2007/
Journalists Killed in 2007

Iraq: 32
...
Afghanistan: 2
Turkey: 1
Brazil: 1
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 1
USA: 1
Russia: 1

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:25 PM

Because I don't take part in this "our democracy is 1000 times superior to others" crap? Ridicule yourself a little bit more. I guess you need to take your **** elsewhere, since serieurmarshall isn't posting about "R" accidents every day.

Piss off you drunk...

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:27 PM

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:29 PM

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:31 PM

It's not just the killing of journalists that's the problem in Russia.. And this is interesting(for me) because Russia is pretty much our neighbor(EU)..

Then what is the problem? Is the problem only in Russia? Can it be found elsewhere?

Don't single out one country on a problem. If you are going to point fingures, then look at yourself. I mean, yes, it is easier to blame the other country. But not everyone is perfect. For being 35, I would have expected at least some aspect of understanding or open mindedness. But cant teach old dog new tricks, right?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:31 PM

Face it, in the eyes of many here, Russia is just a bad guy. No need for reason or such, its just that they are commie loving bad guys who hate freedom. No questions, no concerns. Just the outlook of morals and who has the bigger c**k.

I have a question for you Danskeren. Do you think that you believe everything you read? Do you believe everything that is told to you? Do you believe even in what you write? Do you think it is right to attack someone personally because they think differently?

Is it moral obligation? Or is it just self righteousness?

Look through my post in this thread?? Have i said anything negative about Russia?? No.. but i still get attacked by the crew.. ****ing pathetic

megjur

10-30-2009, 12:32 PM

Strange that you interested only about journalists killed in Russia, NATO fanboy. Maybe you should be more interested about other places?

http://cpj.org/killed/2007/
Journalists Killed in 2007

Iraq: 32
...
Afghanistan: 2
Turkey: 1
Brazil: 1
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 1
USA: 1
Russia: 1

http://www.cdi.org/russia/Johnson/2007-54-42.cfm

and from your source:
According to the September 2009 Committee to Protect Journalists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_to_Protect_Journalists) report [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-1) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) is one of the deadliest countries in the world for journalists and one of the worst nations at solving their murders. The Anatomy of Injustice offers an extensive account of 17 deaths in Russia since 2000 and notes that in only one case (Igor Domnikov) has there been a partially successful prosecution

and

2006

Vadim Kuznetsov (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vadim_Kuznetsov&action=edit&redlink=1), editor-in-chief of journal "World and home. Saint Petersburg", killed in Saint Petersburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg)
Vaghif Kochetkov, newspaper Trud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trud_(newspaper)) (Labor), killed in Tula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tula,_Russia)
Ilya Zimin, worked for NTV Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTV_Russia) television channel, killed in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) by an acquaintance
Vyacheslav Akatov, special reporter, Business Moscow TV show, killed in Moscow Region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Region)
Anton Kretenchuk, cameraman, 38th TV Channel, killed in Rostov-on-Don (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostov-on-Don)
Yevgeny Gerasimenko, Saratovsky Rasklad newspaper, Saratov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov)
Vlad Kidanov, freelance journalist, Cheboksary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheboksary)
Alexander Petrov, editor-in-chief, Right for Choice magazine, killed near Omsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk) - in Altai Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Republic)
Vyacheslav Plotnikov, reporter, 41st TV Channel, Voronezh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh)
Anna Politkovskaya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya), observer, newspaper Novaya Gazeta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta), Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow), shot in her apartment building's elevator;[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-Anna-53)[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-ng-54)[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-guardian-55)[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gdf2006-56)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=22)] 2007

Marina Pisareva, deputy head of Russian office of German media group Bertelsmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann) was found dead at her country cottage outside Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) in April [58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-57)[59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-58)
Konstantin Brovko (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konstantin_Brovko&action=edit&redlink=1), journalist of TV company "Gubernia" (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): "Губерния"), killed in Khabarovsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabarovsk). His killer was arrested and jailed.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gazeta.ru-23)
Ivan Safronov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Safronov), Military columnist of newspaper "Kommersant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommersant)". Died in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) on March 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2) - cause of death disputed.[60] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gdf2007-59)[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-60)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=23)] 2008

Ilyas Shurpayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Shurpayev), Dagestani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) journalist responsible for news coverage of Northern Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Caucasus) on Channel One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_One_(Russia)), was strangled with a belt by robbers in Moscow.[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-61)[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-62)
Gaji Abashilov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaji_Abashilov), chief of Dagestan outlet of VGTRK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGTRK), shot in his car.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=24)] The Medvedev presidency, 2008-2012

Magomed Yevloyev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_Yevloyev), owner of Ingushetiya.ru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetiya.ru), shot while in custody of Ingush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetia) police officers.[64] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-63)[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-64).[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-AP-65)
Abdulla Alishayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla_Alishayev), Dagestani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) journalist fatally wounded by unknown assailants.[67] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-66)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=25)] 2009

Stanislav Markelov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Markelov), a prominent lawyer, journalist, and opponent of human rights abuses in Chechnya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya), who was shot and killed on a Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) street on 19 January 2009.
Anastasia Baburova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Baburova) (Novaya Gazeta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta)).[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-67) She was with human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Markelov), who reportedly was the target of the assassin. She tried to come to Markelov's assistance, was also shot and killed in the same attack on 19 January 2009.[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-68)
Natalia Estemirova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Estemirova)[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-69) A human rights defender, worked in Russian "Memorial" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_(society)) society, who investigated murders and abductions. She was abducted in Grozny and found dead in Ingushetia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetia).[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-70)
Malik Akhmedilov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Akhmedilov),[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-71) sub-editor of the Avar language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_language) newspaper "Khakikat", was found shot dead near the Dagestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) capital Makhachkala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhachkala) on August 11, 2009.

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:33 PM

Look through my post in this thread?? Have i said anything negative about Russia?? No.. but i still get attacked by the crew.. ****ing pathetic

But you do bring it upon yourself by singling out the country for one specific reason that can be found elsewhere. When doing so, it just opens yourself to attacks because others would see it as biast views.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/Johnson/2007-54-42.cfm

and from your source:
According to the September 2009 Committee to Protect Journalists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_to_Protect_Journalists) report [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-1) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) is one of the deadliest countries in the world for journalists and one of the worst nations at solving their murders. The Anatomy of Injustice offers an extensive account of 17 deaths in Russia since 2000 and notes that in only one case (Igor Domnikov) has there been a partially successful prosecution

and

2006

Vadim Kuznetsov (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vadim_Kuznetsov&action=edit&redlink=1), editor-in-chief of journal "World and home. Saint Petersburg", killed in Saint Petersburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg)
Vaghif Kochetkov, newspaper Trud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trud_%28newspaper%29) (Labor), killed in Tula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tula,_Russia)
Ilya Zimin, worked for NTV Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTV_Russia) television channel, killed in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) by an acquaintance
Vyacheslav Akatov, special reporter, Business Moscow TV show, killed in Moscow Region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Region)
Anton Kretenchuk, cameraman, 38th TV Channel, killed in Rostov-on-Don (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostov-on-Don)
Yevgeny Gerasimenko, Saratovsky Rasklad newspaper, Saratov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov)
Vlad Kidanov, freelance journalist, Cheboksary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheboksary)
Alexander Petrov, editor-in-chief, Right for Choice magazine, killed near Omsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk) - in Altai Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Republic)
Vyacheslav Plotnikov, reporter, 41st TV Channel, Voronezh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh)
Anna Politkovskaya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya), observer, newspaper Novaya Gazeta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta), Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow), shot in her apartment building's elevator;[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-Anna-53)[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-ng-54)[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-guardian-55)[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gdf2006-56)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=22)] 2007

Marina Pisareva, deputy head of Russian office of German media group Bertelsmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann) was found dead at her country cottage outside Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) in April [58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-57)[59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-58)
Konstantin Brovko (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konstantin_Brovko&action=edit&redlink=1), journalist of TV company "Gubernia" (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): "Губерния"), killed in Khabarovsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabarovsk). His killer was arrested and jailed.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gazeta.ru-23)
Ivan Safronov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Safronov), Military columnist of newspaper "Kommersant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommersant)". Died in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) on March 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2) - cause of death disputed.[60] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-gdf2007-59)[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-60)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=23)] 2008

Ilyas Shurpayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Shurpayev), Dagestani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) journalist responsible for news coverage of Northern Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Caucasus) on Channel One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_One_%28Russia%29), was strangled with a belt by robbers in Moscow.[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-61)[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-62)
Gaji Abashilov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaji_Abashilov), chief of Dagestan outlet of VGTRK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGTRK), shot in his car.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia&action=edit&section=24)] The Medvedev presidency, 2008-2012

Magomed Yevloyev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_Yevloyev), owner of Ingushetiya.ru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetiya.ru), shot while in custody of Ingush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetia) police officers.[64] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-63)[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-64).[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-AP-65)
Abdulla Alishayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla_Alishayev), Dagestani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) journalist fatally wounded by unknown assailants.[67] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-66)

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Stanislav Markelov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Markelov), a prominent lawyer, journalist, and opponent of human rights abuses in Chechnya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya), who was shot and killed on a Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) street on 19 January 2009.
Anastasia Baburova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Baburova) (Novaya Gazeta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta)).[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-67) She was with human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Markelov), who reportedly was the target of the assassin. She tried to come to Markelov's assistance, was also shot and killed in the same attack on 19 January 2009.[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-68)
Natalia Estemirova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Estemirova)[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-69) A human rights defender, worked in Russian "Memorial" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_%28society%29) society, who investigated murders and abductions. She was abducted in Grozny and found dead in Ingushetia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetia).[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-70)
Malik Akhmedilov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Akhmedilov),[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#cite_note-71) sub-editor of the Avar language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_language) newspaper "Khakikat", was found shot dead near the Dagestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) capital Makhachkala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhachkala) on August 11, 2009.

What I would like to know, is if these people where targeted for reasons to do with crime or such other aspects? Remember, there are still a lot of unregistered human rights "officials" and probably paparazzi based journalists in Russia.

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:33 PM

Then what is the problem? Is the problem only in Russia? Can it be found elsewhere?

Don't single out one country on a problem. If you are going to point fingures, then look at yourself. I mean, yes, it is easier to blame the other country. But not everyone is perfect.

How does things get better.. information information information.. but i guess it will take some time yet before you guys can understand that.

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:35 PM

But you do bring it upon yourself by singling out the country for one specific reason that can be found elsewhere. When doing so, it just opens yourself to attacks because others would see it as biast views.

Yes.. i'm biased.. arn't you??

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:36 PM

How does things get better.. information information information.. but i guess it will take some time yet before you guys can understand that.

I never said anything about things getting better. Please provide me evidence of my claim. I am stating that it is easy to point fingures without looking at your own country. If you are looking for a debate in which you sound right and I or others are wrong, please don't misquote me or make up things I said. Sounds uncredible.

Yes.. i'm biased.. arn't you??

I am? Maybe. But I still look at things in all perspectives. Yes, I have my favorites, but I don't simply ignore a problem. First step to recovery is admitting.

But it also states you are biased. Now I ask, why are you biased? And if you are, what are you biased towards? An country as seen as an enemy during the cold war era? Or human rights which are violated almost everywhere?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:40 PM

I never said anything about things getting better. Please provide me evidence of my claim. I am stating that it is easy to point fingures without looking at your own country. If you are looking for a debate in which you sound right and I or others are wrong, please don't misquote me or make up things I said. Sounds uncredible.

Show me where in this thread i started anything.. by saying i found it interesting? That made it okay to attack my person.. i think not.. read the forum rules again ..

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:43 PM

But it also states you are biased. Now I ask, why are you biased? And if you are, what are you biased towards? An country as seen as an enemy during the cold war era? Or human rights which are violated almost everywhere?

I have my reasons.. mainly that i really really don't like the Russian administration and it's doing's ..

Frutzel

10-30-2009, 12:43 PM

Piss off you drunk...

You are trying to hard Fairbrass. I'm not a Stalinlover and I'm not drunk, at least not right now. I don't agree with you and you are getting mad. Now tell me who is hating freedom and democracy herep-)

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:44 PM

Show me where in this thread i started anything.. by saying i found it interesting? That made it okay to attack my person.. i think not.. read the forum rules again ..

Don't look, don't post if don't have anything on the topic Stalinboy.. ??
Who just attack who? You allways start.. so just piss off!

and...

Piss off you drunk...

Please, take your own advice.

I have my reasons.. mainly that i really really don't like the Russian administration and it's doing's ..

Alright. Everyone as every right to criticize a countries leadership. Heck, I do it every day in regards to Zimbabwe, South Afrika, etc. Do you do the same to your own leadership? Or do you find them perfect?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:46 PM

You are trying to hard Fairbrass. I'm not a Stalinlover and I'm not drunk, at least not right now. I don't agree with you and you are getting mad. Now tell me who is hating freedom and democracy herep-)

What the **** are you talking stalinboy?

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:48 PM

and...

Please, take your own advice.

Alright. Everyone as every right to criticize a countries leadership. Heck, I do it every day in regards to Zimbabwe, South Afrika, etc. Do you do the same to your own leadership? Or do you find them perfect?

Frutzel have been calling me Fairbrass for some time.. just had it.. so he's stalinboy from now on..

Frutzel

10-30-2009, 12:52 PM

Frutzel have been calling me Fairbrass for some time.. just had it.. so he's stalinboy from now on..

I said

Come on man p-) You don't realy expect a serious answer to that, do you ?

And by your logic that made me

Perhaps not if you don't believe in democrazy and freedom.

Where did I attacked you personally there?

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It seems it was not me who started in THIS thread :hug: Don't be mad now

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 12:52 PM

Frutzel have been calling me Fairbrass for some time.. just had it.. so he's stalinboy from now on..

"an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Ghandi

Off Topic: Is it me, or is the server excessivly slow? It is making Firefox non-responding half the time, and takes forever for threads to load (sad, cause 4chan is even faster today then normal).

On Topic. Credibility goes down the toilet when you start calling names.

Anyway, we are getting off topic. Don't want this thread closed.

Gleipnir

10-30-2009, 12:53 PM

And on the 3rd Post the personal attacks started

Bravo, y'all never let me down.

Maybe you should just add them to your ignore list.

Novus Ordo Seclorum

10-30-2009, 12:56 PM

Thats right Russia crowd...don't discuss the problem..throw up red herrings about how other places are worse...claim the areas aren't "really" Russia. You guys are sooooo predictable.
If the only place you can come up with that has a worse record of journalist murders is Iraq, well thats pretty sorry.

Brunei News.Net
Wednesday 21st October, 2009

Press members under threat in world hot-spots

A worldwide press freedom round-up has claimed that Pakistan and Somalia are the deadliest places in the world for the press.

The highest numbers of journalists were killed there in 2009.

Paris based Reporters Without Borders has been quoted by ANI as saying Pakistan is being crippled by murders of journalists and the aggressiveness of the Taliban.

There have also been unjustified arrests by the security forces.

Reporters Without Borders compiles an annual press freedom index, on the basis of questionnaires filled out by hundreds of journalists around the world.

The report said Europe had long set an example of press freedom, although several European nations, including France, Slovakia and Italy had fallen significantly in this year’s index.

According to the report, journalists have been physically threatened in Italy, Spain and in the Balkans, especially Croatia.

The US climbed 20 places in the rankings this year to the 20th spot, although Reporters Without Borders said the attitude of the United States towards the media in Iraq and Afghanistan is still worrying.

The RSF report said several journalists had been injured or arrested by the US military.

The Dane

10-30-2009, 12:56 PM

I said

And by your logic that made me

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It seems it was not me who started in THIS thread :hug: Don't be mad now

Piss off you moron, if this isn't offensive i don't what is

You don't realy expect a serious answer to that, do you ?

And i said PERHAPS.. i didn't say you didn't.. so there you have it.

Mr.K

10-30-2009, 01:04 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IVI5W8Eg3Gs/SI8lYL-M6jI/AAAAAAAAABE/hJEyACF7rNQ/s320/YouMad.jpg

Back to the thread, i'm surprised that "killed russian journalists" is a priority for the UN.

Some food for thought, when you're done calling eachother names.
http://cpj.org/killed/

http://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/

Worst years were during Yetlsin acutally.

sepheronx

10-30-2009, 01:06 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IVI5W8Eg3Gs/SI8lYL-M6jI/AAAAAAAAABE/hJEyACF7rNQ/s320/YouMad.jpg

Back to the thread, i'm surprised that "killed russian journalists" is a priority for the UN.

Considering the amount of unlawful acts happening in Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran, Congo, Sudan, Saudia Arabia, etc that violate human rights all the time; its funny that Russia is the target. But then again, it is probably because Russia actually listens and trys to do something, rather then the rest who shrug it off and continue doing what they do.

fareasterner

10-31-2009, 10:42 AM

gazell

10-31-2009, 11:50 AM

A high criminality, terrorism and journalists killing are sure signs of democracy. It was unthinkable in USSR times and flourished during Yeltsyn rule; he was acknowledged model democrat. Once president Bush had advised Putin to establish democracy like in Iraq, but Putin declined offer.
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That is funny, I give you that, but no, it is not a sign of democracy.

Maybe, a sign of liberal, human rights ideas taken a step too far and some buffet-cloakroom majors getting too much credit.

eskachig

11-01-2009, 03:09 AM

Atlantic Friend

11-01-2009, 09:32 AM

Please explain why is it interesting.

Mostly because it's interesting to see, in a country such as Russia, that has gone through rapid transformation, how traditional core values of democracy (such as free press, freedom to voice and publish opinions) fare, and how the Russian Administration/people react when these values seem threatened, albeit at an inidividual level?

igorvasilevsky

11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

How number of killing journalists are describing "level of democracy"?
And there is a possible situation: foreign special services (CIA, for example) specially killing journalists (not directly, but using "killers", like few nazbolls) to blackmail Russia in "evil dictatorship". What brought more decreasing of Russia's image - work of Polikovaskaya or hysteria about her murder during all next years?

Elbs

11-01-2009, 08:59 PM

How number of killing journalists are describing "level of democracy"?
And there is a possible situation: foreign special services (CIA, for example) specially killing journalists (not directly, but using "killers", like few nazbolls) to blackmail Russia in "evil dictatorship".

Tin foil hat much?

Really though, try harder next time...

igorvasilevsky

11-02-2009, 02:48 AM

Tin foil hat much?

Really though, try harder next time...
No constructive answer - no need to troll here, mister.

sektor

11-02-2009, 02:55 AM

Yes we kill journalists and we eat their babies.

sarhat

11-02-2009, 03:07 AM

Russia has a problem with corruption and organized crime, and reporters sometime make dangerous enemies. I don't believe the the government would be so crude as to assassinate journalists, it gains them absolutely nothing. I'm not really sure why this always turns into a debate about democracy, when it should be a debate about criminality.

I think the same. Goverment have a lot of resources to cancel productive work of reporter without excess noise.
Debate about democracy it is some kind of competition in oratorical skill. :)