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duck
07-12-2004, 05:14 PM
"'Can't lower standard' for seeing-eye dog
N.B. university will not make exception for blind English immersion student

Graeme Hamilton
National Post


Wednesday, July 07, 2004

CREDIT: Ryan Taplin, National Post
Yvan Tessier and his guide dog, Pavot, walk through the University of New Brunswick campus yesterday. Tessier said the university is discriminating against him after he was rejected from its English immersion program for speaking French to his dog.

MONTREAL - When it comes to teaching English as a second language, the University of New Brunswick does not mess around. Slip into your mother tongue back in the dorm and you can be expelled. A T-shirt with a non-English slogan is enough to get you kicked out. And as Yvan Tessier, a blind man from Trois-Rivieres, Que., learned this week, don't even think about telling your guide dog "Assis!" instead of "Sit!"

After being accepted into the five-week summer immersion program last spring and offered a federal bursary, Mr. Tessier was denied entry on Sunday when he was unable to sign "the Pledge" required of all applicants. In Mr. Tessier's case, it was not enough that he agree to speak to the professors and other students in English; the university insisted that he sign a contract promising that "all communication with your guide dog will be exclusively in English."

The problem for the 39-year-old master's student at Ottawa's Saint Paul University is that Pavot, the black Labrador that has helped him get around for the past two years, was trained to respond to 17 concise French commands. Tell him "Stay!" and he would be lost.

For the administrators of UNB's English language program, allowing French commands to a dog would be a dangerous step on the road to Babel.

Susan Mesheau, the university's director of public relations, said that permitting Mr. Tessier to speak French to Pavot during the immersion program would be like admitting someone with sub-standard marks into the engineering faculty.

"We cannot lower a standard," she said in an interview from Fredericton. "'OK, you're a nice guy, I'll lower it for you. You might not be as good an engineer. You might build bridges that people can fall off of, but that's OK.' That's silliness. Academic standards are academic standards."

Mr. Tessier, who arrived in Fredericton on Sunday, has remained in the New Brunswick capital in the hopes the university will reverse its decision. If they do not, he is considering a human rights complaint. He said he was looking forward to the program as a chance to perfect his English, which he has been practising for the past three years.

"I think it is marginalizing me, excluding me, discriminating against me," he said by phone. "I knew other people experienced this, but to experience it myself is very frustrating. I have been to two other universities, and I never suffered discrimination."

He said his dog cannot understand English commands. He was told by the group that trained him, the Mira Foundation in Quebec, that it would take months of training to familiarize Pavot with English instructions. He had told the university that apart from the commands, he would speak only English, even when he was just talking affectionately with Pavot.

The university initially accepted Mr. Tessier into the program in March. Later, after he had made inquiries about services available to the blind, his application was transferred to Dalhousie University in Halifax.

Ms. Mesheau said this transfer was done at the request of a Quebec government representative, but Brian Monast, a Saint Paul University official who helped Mr. Tessier with the application, said it was done because UNB was reluctant to accommodate Mr. Tessier.

duck
07-12-2004, 05:16 PM
"Mr. Tessier rejected the transfer and by June, UNB had agreed to enroll him in its program. Then on June 28, the university asked him to sign its "Understanding of Course Academic Standards," in which he had to promise to speak to Pavot in English.

Mr. Monast and Josee Lajoie, co-ordinator of student services at Saint Paul, decided to intervene, writing on June 30 to the president of UNB, John McLaughlin, asking that allowance be made "for Mr. Tessier's unique circumstances as a visually impaired unilingual francophone." They noted that forcing him to speak in English to his dog "could jeopardize the safety of both himself and his guide dog."

The response from Debbie Pepin, administrative co-ordinator of the English Language Programme, was unbending.

"Regardless of his disability, Mr. Tessier must meet the demands and requirements of the course like any other student," she wrote in an e-mail.

"All students who take the course must sign and abide by the Pledge."

Ms. Mesheau said it was not just the language issue that made Pavot's presence problematic.

"We have students here who are allergic to dogs. We have students here who have religious affiliations that they cannot associate in the same room with a dog. Those kinds of things we have to take into account," she said.

And it would be irresponsible of the university to let Mr. Tessier loose on the streets of Fredericton without proper guidance.

"The class went out today downtown, to City Hall, to restaurants, interviewing people on the streets," she said. "This man has not been in Fredericton, he doesn't know. Would you not be concerned about his safety? We certainly are."

The university is not excluding Mr. Tessier, she said.

But first, Pavot will have to undergo an English immersion of his own, and necessary support structures have to be put in place, a process that would take two months.

By then, though, Mr. Tessier will be back in school in Ottawa.

Mr. Monast said Mr. Tessier, who is studying religion, and Pavot have never caused a problem at Saint Paul. "He is welcomed here," he said.

"There are no impediments to him coming here or to any other university. When he wants to go to class, he walks up the steps, opens the door and sits at his desk."

© National Post 2004"

Deuterium
07-12-2004, 05:22 PM
PC in reverse. I can hear the lawyers chomping at the bit.

radon
07-12-2004, 05:23 PM
The dog needs to learn english.

ZeroPositive
07-12-2004, 06:06 PM
Stupid dog... learn to take commands in English :D

b.scheller
07-12-2004, 06:16 PM
That's breaking the Charter of Rights and Freedom's, after all Canada is officially a bilingual country and a person can get service in any province in the language he pleases (English or French). I'd sue the university and its faculty of infringment on my rights as a Canadian citizen. F*cking New Brunswickers, just proves everyone on the east coast is equally dense and stupid as Newfoundlanders...

gilgoul
07-12-2004, 06:44 PM
That is so dumb, those guys should feel a little more confident about themselves rather than having a small square brain cell set. :bash:

scm77
07-12-2004, 06:47 PM
Normally I have strong dislike for most french canadians, but Canada is a bi-lingual country. If you don't speak english you can get a court trial in french. Why not a school?

Mongrel
07-12-2004, 07:08 PM
Allot of guide dogs are taught in German also..so what's the big deal?

I hope this school, and those that run it get raked over the coals for this Charter of rights violation. :fork:

Not to mention I smell a discrimination suit around the corner also...In Canada your education facility HAS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE for your disabilities needs. And guide dog is a Need.

Would they have dis allowed his use of a wheel chair if it had English writing on it also?

Dumb asses!
M.

East
07-13-2004, 03:18 AM
That's breaking the Charter of Rights and Freedom's, after all Canada is officially a bilingual country and a person can get service in any province in the language he pleases (English or French). I'd sue the university and its faculty of infringment on my rights as a Canadian citizen. F*cking New Brunswickers, just proves everyone on the east coast is equally dense and stupid as Newfoundlanders...

you dont know anything about Newfoundlander's so eat sh!t next time you decide to open your word hole.

Mongrel
07-13-2004, 04:06 PM
IMHO Newfies are Salt of the earth people, but some have a better sense of humour then others. :P

Cheers!
M.

http://pages.infinit.net/slesage/joke/image35.GIF

East
07-13-2004, 04:48 PM
just proves everyone on the east coast is equally dense and stupid as Newfoundlanders...
doesn't sound like a joke to me...now the pic you posted on the other hand, is funny.

Jehuty
07-13-2004, 04:53 PM
IMHO Newfies are Salt of the earth people, but some have a better sense of humour then others. :P

Cheers!
M.

http://pages.infinit.net/slesage/joke/image35.GIF

Hey you stole it from us!! We have the same pic with a Belgian on the Tour Montparnasse !!

Mongrel
07-13-2004, 05:01 PM
Not my site or my pic.

I have seen the one you are talking about..also funny. :D

Cheers!
M.

b.scheller
07-13-2004, 05:38 PM
you dont know anything about Newfoundlander's so eat sh!t next time you decide to open your word hole.

relax, who gives a **** about the maritimes. their canada's deep south...

East
07-14-2004, 04:21 AM
and your canada's reining **** head, congrads.

Mongrel
07-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Hey East your profile hints that you now live in BC, and out here on the West coast we stopped hunting Newfondlanders many years ago, they make bad slaves, always bitching about the nice westcoast weather, and moping about in the rubber boots. So we made them a 'protected species'.

So relax..you broke away from your herd (at least in body), so have some timbitz, and coffie and think happy thoughts like the rest of us Canadians. :P

Cheers!
M.

shrek
07-14-2004, 03:51 PM
HOW F..KING STUPID!!

Midtown
07-14-2004, 04:04 PM
hahahahaa we have a canada war going on here.

Mongrel
07-14-2004, 04:14 PM
Not really a war...more like a loud conversation with suggestive hand gestures.

No need for the blue helmets to be sent in... yet
rofl

Cheers!
M.

East
07-15-2004, 12:22 AM
ha! you make some good points, I'm a half breed newfie so I enjoy this weather while my mom on the other hand hates anywhere thats not newfoundland. I got no guff with you man, its that b.scheller arse that bothers me.

Mongrel
07-15-2004, 12:38 AM
Hey no prob' with me dude.
I just had some newfie jokes stored up in me, and couldn't help myself.

Wait till I get going on the French Canadians. rofl

Cheers!
M.

b.scheller
07-15-2004, 01:10 AM
It's all a joke, no need to grill your brains out.