Mogadishu, Somalia 1993

[kommando]

while reading the book No Room For Error written by Col. Carney
(the book is about Combat Controllers and PJ's)
is was interesting to note that CCT's and PJ's weret actually recognized until after the Somalia battle. (publically recognized).

What most of you probably didnt know, and ill use the dvd as the example, is that the medics used in the battle were PJ's and the Snipers that flew overhead in the super 6's were SEAL snipers.

Now i didnt know this, in the movie and book they are portrayed as delta, and the guys that fast rope (medics) to help the wounded delta sniper are delta too.

Well know you knwo the truth or is it really. ;)

I just found it very interesting, the average age of the ranger was 24-6, delta was 32-35 and for the SOAR 28-32.
the youngest though were the SEAL snipers aging just 23.

[ChuckThunder]

while reading the book No Room For Error written by Col. Carney
(the book is about Combat Controllers and PJ's)
is was interesting to note that CCT's and PJ's weret actually recognized until after the Somalia battle. (publically recognized).

What most of you probably didnt know, and ill use the dvd as the example, is that the medics used in the battle were PJ's and the Snipers that flew overhead in the super 6's were SEAL snipers.

Now i didnt know this, in the movie and book they are portrayed as delta, and the guys that fast rope (medics) to help the wounded delta sniper are delta too.

Well know you knwo the truth or is it really. ;)

I just found it very interesting, the average age of the ranger was 24-6, delta was 32-35 and for the SOAR 28-32.
the youngest though were the SEAL snipers aging just 23.

I'm sure the SEALs are real upset over it too.

:roll:

By the way both the PJ's/CCT's, SEALs, and their duties were discussed in Mark Bowden's book, Black Hawk Down.

[gaz]

What most of you probably didnt know, and ill use the dvd as the example, is that the medics used in the battle were PJ's and the Snipers that flew overhead in the super 6's were SEAL snipers.


The medics on the CSAR team were PJs but they weren't the only medics there, the Rangers and Delta had their own medics, some of them are named in the book version of BHD.
That's the first I've heard regarding the snipers in the helicopters being SEALs and I honestly don't know enough to argue, however I do know that's not mentioned in the book and most times the airborne snipers are mentioned thay are referred to as being members of Delta.


Now i didnt know this, in the movie and book they are portrayed as delta, and the guys that fast rope (medics) to help the wounded delta sniper are delta too.

I honestly have no idea what you men by that.


I just found it very interesting, the average age of the ranger was 24-6

I also find that interesting, I would have expected it to be younger.

[Mark Sman]

At least a some of the counter-snipers in the helicopters were Army. Couldn't say about the rest cause I don't know.

[mattnwnc03]

its a amazing to me how much different the movie is from the book.

[the_spec]

Wasn't the average age of Rangers more like 18-20 because of them joining up early and training not being very long?

[Merit]

Anyhow...they need to squeeze the whole book in an hour or two...

[MEGR]

SEAL Snipers were in Somalia, not sure during what year; but, according to BHD, Delta were the only Snipers in those choppers I believe. I think SEAL snipers were used in Embassy protection or something like that.

[kommando]

dude
im just saygin what was written in this book
its not my opinions

the snipers in the chocks were SEALS,
the medics were PJ's
and in amongst the troops on the ground were CCT's
becuase when in the movie the guy throws the stroeb on the roof,
well that was actually a CCT's idea on the ground and he coordinated the strikes.

and with regards to what i was saying with the movie,
i mean the guys that fast rope into help that guy whose been shot in the downed chopper (delta guy who is really a seal) they were PJ's

all im doing is giving people whove seen the movie just an idea of what other SF were there
and im pulling this from a reliable book
and none of its my opinions

AND the age thing was written in the book its not my idea
haha

laters anyways

[MEGR]

dude
im just saygin what was written in this book
its not my opinions

the snipers in the chocks were SEALS,
the medics were PJ's
and in amongst the troops on the ground were CCT's
becuase when in the movie the guy throws the stroeb on the roof,
well that was actually a CCT's idea on the ground and he coordinated the strikes.

and with regards to what i was saying with the movie,
i mean the guys that fast rope into help that guy whose been shot in the downed chopper (delta guy who is really a seal) they were PJ's

all im doing is giving people whove seen the movie just an idea of what

other SF were there

and im pulling this from a reliable book
and none of its my opinions

AND the age thing was written in the book its not my idea
haha

laters anyways

I know. The book could be right anyways.

[hist2004]

Technical Sgt. Tim Wilkinson (Air Force PJ) was decorated for his actions during the
battle...here's the link:

http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=1990&pid=123006509

Regards,
Hist2004

[hist2004]

Now i didnt know this, in the movie and book they are portrayed as delta, and the guys that fast rope (medics) to help the wounded delta sniper are delta too.


The Ranger actually refer's to the medic (PJ) as "Wilky" who I just
referred to in the previous post. Because they were dressed as Delta
it would appear that's who they were. The movie didn't bother to
distinquish that they were actually PJ's.

Regards,
Hist2004

[-=TFN=-Karab]

dude
i mean the guys that fast rope into help that guy whose been shot in the downed chopper (delta guy who is really a seal) they were PJ's


You mean at Wolcott's crashsite? They never "said" he wasn't SEAL, like it really makes a difference... But no they weren't fastroped, they were inserted via MH-6.

At Durant's crash site, Gary and Shughart were Deltas and they were inserted by UH-60.


and the guys that fast rope (medics) to help the wounded delta sniper are delta too.
Isn't this contrary to what you just said? Or are you trying to refer to BHD the movie? But in the movie they aren't portrayed as Delta (or is my mind a little crazy, having watched the movie again just about 3 days ago)... The men who came from the MH-6 (I think they showed an AH-6 in the movie though) did not look like the other Deltas to me, at first I thought one of them was a pilot... Their gear looked different.

[Colt45]

i think the seals did provide sniper fire from LONG distances away, something i heard a while back

[bishop1]

Lol, its not brain surgery, PJs are the best CSAR/ combat medics, so of course theyd be there, what i heard is that (and if i remember it said in the book) that SEALs were in the convoy, sniper or not i dont know, but SEALs were the ones to cover the evac from Somalia, like someone else said, so im sure they had snipers there. But about SEAL snipers in the choppers, very well could have been, but obviosuly Shugart and Gordon were in a chopper before they went in, so id say it was more of a mix, cuz i doubt they were in the only Delta snipers in choppers, and aside from that, Delta probably had ariel gunners that werent snipers, just doing what they could as riflemen from choppers.

[NcDeuce]

I just found it very interesting, the average age of the ranger was 24-6, delta was 32-35 and for the SOAR 28-32.

I've heard all kinds of averages for the Rangers. The majority are young of course. Basic, AIT, Airborne, RIP, RAP?

Delta? Duh, they've most likely served in a SFG or Ranger Battalion. Senior NCOs, yada yada yada...

SOAR? Flight school? CWOs...SERE...blah blah