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Deuterium
07-12-2004, 09:25 PM
USN or USAF?

by Bob Norris

Bob Norris is a former Naval aviator who also did a 3 year exchange tour
flying the F-15 Eagle. He is now an accomplished author of entertaining
books about US Naval Aviation including "Check Six" and "Fly-Off". Check
out his web site at <http://www.bobnorris.com/> <http://www.bobnorris.com/>.
In
response to a letter from an aspiring fighter pilot on which military
academy to attend, Bob replied with the following.



12 Feb 04

Young Man,

Congratulations on your selection to both the Naval and Air Force Academies.
Your goal of becoming a fighter pilot is impressive and a fine way to serve
your country. As you requested, I'd be happy to share some insight into
which service would be the best choice.
Each service has a distinctly different culture. You need to ask yourself
"Which one am I more likely to thrive in?"

USAF Snapshot: The USAF is exceptionally well organized and well run. Their
training programs are terrific. All pilots are groomed to meet high
standards for knowledge and professionalism. Their aircraft are top-notch
and extremely well maintained. Their facilities are excellent. Their
enlisted personnel are the brightest and the best trained. The USAF is
homogenous and macro. No matter where you go, you'll know what to expect,
what is expected of you, and you'll be given the training & tools you need
to meet those expectations. You will never be put in a situation over your
head. Over a 20-year career, you will be home for most important family
events. Your Mom would want you to be an Air Force pilot...so would your
wife. Your Dad would want your sister to marry one.

Navy Snapshot: Aviators are part of the Navy, but so are Black shoes
(surface warfare) and bubble heads (submariners). Furthermore, the Navy is
split into two distinctly different Fleets (West and East Coast). The Navy
is heterogeneous and micro. Your squadron is your home; it may be great,
average, or awful. A squadron can go from one extreme to the other before
you know it. You will spend months preparing for cruise and months on
cruise. The quality of the aircraft varies directly with the availability
of parts. Senior Navy enlisted are salt of the earth; you'll be proud if
you earn their respect. Junior enlisted vary from terrific to the troubled
kid the judge made join the service. You will be given the opportunity to
lead these people during your career; you will be humbled and get your hands
dirty. The quality of your training will vary and sometimes you will be
over your head. You will miss many important family events. There will be
long stretches of tedious duty aboard ship. You will fly in very bad weather
and/or at night and you will be scared many times. You will fly with legends
in the Navy and they will kick your ass until you become a lethal force.
And some days - when the scheduling Gods have smiled upon you - your jet
will catapult into a glorious morning over a far-away sea and you will be
drop-jawed that someone would pay you to do it. The hottest girl in the bar
wants to meet the Naval Aviator. That bar is in Singapore.

Bottom line, son, if you gotta ask...pack warm & good luck in Colorado.

Banzai

PS Air Force pilots wear scarves and iron their flight suits.

Flagg
07-12-2004, 09:50 PM
He forgot to mention the infamous Vegas Tailhook parties...that would have swayed him!

b.scheller
07-12-2004, 11:42 PM
brightest and best trained?

I'm guessing Maj. H. Schmidt (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Page&cid=1019565279664&tacodalogin=no) is the poster boy of the USAF then...

AFACadet
07-12-2004, 11:51 PM
The AF is the COOOOOLEST!!!!! ;)

Wakizashi
07-13-2004, 01:41 AM
back in the day, i actually tried to apply to the af academy, unfortunately wasn't excepted.... i guess that happens when you "forget" to score high on SATs..... never the less, happy where i am now..... sorry aimless ranting over....

garyfanclub
07-13-2004, 02:12 AM
[quote="Wakizashi"]...unfortunately wasn't excepted.../quote]

That might be the reason... ;)

Merik
07-13-2004, 02:29 AM
brightest and best trained?

I'm guessing Maj. H. Schmidt (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Page&cid=1019565279664&tacodalogin=no) is the poster boy of the USAF then...


That was a little uncalled for.

MEGR
07-13-2004, 02:30 AM
US Army man.. The way to go!

Merik
07-13-2004, 04:20 AM
US Army man.. The way to go!


Hooah sir!

moughoun
07-13-2004, 04:23 AM
I hear the salvation army sf unit is exceptionaly good p-), you might want to give them a call

szr
07-13-2004, 05:27 AM
USNA > USMC > USMC AVIATOR > CAMMO HELMET COVERS woot

b.scheller
07-13-2004, 11:29 AM
brightest and best trained?

I'm guessing Maj. H. Schmidt (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Page&cid=1019565279664&tacodalogin=no) is the poster boy of the USAF then...


That was a little uncalled for.

Why? Because it's true and you rather omit that fact that your "brightest and best trained" do not live upto the motto

Scrim
07-13-2004, 11:36 AM
So in other words, if you want to be a civillian who wears a uniform to work, go with the Air Farce. But if you want to belong to something that actually resembles the military Go Navy. p-)

DLodge
07-13-2004, 11:42 AM
Why? Because it's true and you rather omit that fact that your "brightest and best trained" do not live upto the motto
No, because every military organization, no matter the caliber of the individuals serving, screws up occasionally. It's the nature of the business.

A nice example would be the actions of Canada's "brightest and best trained" in Somalia...

Deuterium
07-13-2004, 12:34 PM
So in other words, if you want to be a civillian who wears a uniform to work, go with the Air Farce. But if you want to belong to something that actually resembles the military Go Navy. p-)

Or if you want to play on the best golf courses in the military....

MEGR
07-13-2004, 12:37 PM
Double Post.

MEGR
07-13-2004, 12:38 PM
Is Special Operation a seperate branch? Like Navy, Army, Air Force, SOCOM? If not, it should, and they should have their seperate music like the other branches. Like metallica or something.

Deuterium
07-13-2004, 12:57 PM
Military comparisons of the word "sucks"

An Army grunt stands in the rain with a 15 kg. pack on his back,
5 kg. weapon in hand, after having marched 15 km, and says, "This sucks."

An Army Airborne Ranger stands waist deep in the rain with a 25 kg. pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after having jumped from an airplane and marched 30 km,
and says with a smile, "This sucks just fine!"

A Special Forces soldier lies in the mud, 40 kg pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after swimming 10 km to shore, crawling through a swamp and
marching 40 km at night past the enemy positions,
says with a grin, while biting the head of a snake "This really sucks, I wish it could suck more....."

An Air Force Pilot flying over the battlefield, the rain is pouring down,
looks down at the soldiers below and says: "Sure sucks down there!"

An Air Force officer sits in an easy chair in his air conditioned,
carpeted room and says to his friend, "Man.. Cable's out! This sucks!"




There's a cartoon of this somewhere on the web but I can't seem to locate it.

Deuterium
07-13-2004, 12:58 PM
Is Special Operation a seperate branch? Like Navy, Army, Air Force, SOCOM? If not, it should, and they should have their seperate music like the other branches. Like metallica or something.

Don't worry the voices in our heads would drown out any music.

AFACadet
07-13-2004, 04:56 PM
Don't worry the voices in our heads would drown out any music

rofl

ChuckThunder
07-13-2004, 05:08 PM
brightest and best trained?

I'm guessing Maj. H. Schmidt (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Page&cid=1019565279664&tacodalogin=no) is the poster boy of the USAF then...

I'd say John Boyd.

Apogee
07-13-2004, 05:14 PM
Thats such a great cartoon Deuterium. One of my teachers, whos an old SF officer, had it taped to his office door. Love it.

ChuckThunder
07-13-2004, 05:45 PM
Military comparisons of the word "sucks"

An Army grunt stands in the rain with a 15 kg. pack on his back,
5 kg. weapon in hand, after having marched 15 km, and says, "This sucks."

An Army Airborne Ranger stands waist deep in the rain with a 25 kg. pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after having jumped from an airplane and marched 30 km,
and says with a smile, "This sucks just fine!"

A Special Forces soldier lies in the mud, 40 kg pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after swimming 10 km to shore, crawling through a swamp and
marching 40 km at night past the enemy positions,
says with a grin, while biting the head of a snake "This really sucks, I wish it could suck more....."

An Air Force Pilot flying over the battlefield, the rain is pouring down,
looks down at the soldiers below and says: "Sure sucks down there!"

An Air Force officer sits in an easy chair in his air conditioned,
carpeted room and says to his friend, "Man.. Cable's out! This sucks!"




There's a cartoon of this somewhere on the web but I can't seem to locate it.

I believe Dennis G had something similar to that in his 3 page long sig. When we had sigs of course...

Wakizashi
07-13-2004, 05:45 PM
heh spelling is overrated garyclub... but perhaps your onto something