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Derbedeu
11-03-2009, 03:23 AM
A Russian businessman who was convicted in Israel as a KGB spy has been shot dead in Moscow, police say.
Investigators said Shabattai Kalmanovich, 60, was killed by gunmen who fired at his Mercedes from a passing car, Russian media reported.
His driver was seriously wounded in the attack but tried to chase the killers, reports said.
Mr Kalmanovich was well known in Russia as a music concert promoter and as a basketball sponsor.
His killing appeared to have been "carefully planned", a police official was quoted by ITAR-Tass news agency as saying.
In televised remarks, Moscow Investigative Committee chief Anatoly Bagmet said the killing could have been related to Mr Kalmanovich's business affairs or have been driven by "personal revenge".
Jailed for spying
Mr Kalmanovich emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel in 1971 and in 1988 was jailed for spying for the KGB, media reports said.
He was released after serving five years and relocated to Sierra Leone, where he made a fortune in the diamonds trade.
He later returned to Russia where he ran a large shopping centre in Moscow and promoted concerts for stars including Michael Jackson and Liza Minnelli.
Mr Kalmanovich also sponsored basketball clubs and in 2008 became general manager of the Russian women's basketball team.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8339290.stm
sarhat
11-03-2009, 03:37 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8339290.stm
dark story.
here nothing about his ties with mafia (on the highest level)
Derbedeu
11-03-2009, 04:13 AM
My totally random speculation on why he was killed: He was really a double spy, still working for Israel, and the FSB found out about it. They therefore arranged to have him bumped off and blame it on the mafia.
Plausible? I don't know. But it would certainly makes for an interesting novel or movie.
sarhat
11-03-2009, 04:29 AM
My totally random speculation on why he was killed: He was really a double spy, still working for Israel, and the FSB found out about it. They therefore arranged to have him bumped off and blame it on the mafia.
Plausible? I don't know. But it would certainly makes for an interesting novel or movie.
certainly, it can be a good movie "based on real events".
derkrieger
11-03-2009, 04:33 AM
My totally random speculation on why he was killed: He was really a double spy, still working for Israel, and the FSB found out about it. They therefore arranged to have him bumped off and blame it on the mafia.
Plausible? I don't know. But it would certainly makes for an interesting novel or movie.
derbedeu
I congratulate you for your imagination power.
Stick to using it only in fictional matters though.
For the murdered ex-spy? He has had a better life than most of us ever will dream, so good riddance and enjoy the other side.
Derbedeu
11-03-2009, 04:38 AM
derbedeu
I congratulate you for your imagination power.
Stick to using it only in fictional matters though.
I'll take that in the spirit in which it was offered, as a compliment. Thank you.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4741/bowtie.gif (http://img261.imageshack.us/i/bowtie.gif/)
For the murdered ex-spy? He has had a better life than most of us ever will dream, so good riddance and enjoy the other side.I like your realistic view on life. Some may call it bleak, but I think you are spot on! http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6030/xyxthumbs.gif (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/xyxthumbs.gif/)
My totally random speculation on why he was killed: He was really a double spy, still working for Israel, and the FSB found out about it. They therefore arranged to have him bumped off and blame it on the mafia.
Plausible? I don't know. But it would certainly makes for an interesting novel or movie.
Nope. He uncovered the formula for cold fusion and was assassinated by ninjas working for the NWO so that they could continue perpetuating violence in the middle east to facilitate the return of their reptilian overlords.
sepheronx
11-03-2009, 05:36 AM
Maybe he was a man gunned down that it is just a coincidence that he was an Ex-KGB.
pascalywood
11-03-2009, 05:39 AM
There is no such thing as "ex-KGB".
rgjbloke
11-03-2009, 06:32 AM
I know a guy who went to Sierra Leone quite a few years ago as a military attache. As far as I know, he's still there in a private capacity. Diamonds are forever I suppose.
Jack Daniels
11-03-2009, 06:39 AM
My totally random speculation on why he was killed: He was really a double spy, still working for Israel, and the FSB found out about it. They therefore arranged to have him bumped off and blame it on the mafia.
Or maybe Putin himself killed him....:cantbeli:
By the way, cool story, bro.
Sand Man
11-03-2009, 06:56 AM
Nope. He uncovered the formula for cold fusion and was assassinated by ninjas working for the NWO so that they could continue perpetuating violence in the middle east to facilitate the return of their reptilian overlords.
He actually discovered how to harness the energy of sea water molecules.
He had to go...
Afro-European
11-03-2009, 07:11 AM
Slain ex-KGB spy's driver in grave condition
MOSCOW, November 3 (RIA Novosti) - The driver employed by Russian-Israeli businessman Shabtai von Kalmanovich, who was shot dead in central Moscow on Monday, is in a grave condition, a hospital source said on Tuesday.
Unidentified assailants armed with a 9mm automatic and a pump-action shotgun opened fire at fifty-nine-year-old Kalmanovich as he sat in his black Mercedes S500 on Moscow's Krasnopresnenskaya Embankment at about 4:50 p.m. Moscow time (1:50 GMT). He died instantly.
His driver, who initially tried to give chase, was forced to pull over outside the capital's 16th century Novodevichy Convent due to serious injuries. He was later taken to a Moscow clinic where he underwent surgery.
"Pyotr Tumanov is in intensive care after surgery - his condition can be assessed as grave," the hospital source said, adding that security had been tightened in Tumanov's ward.
Russian prosecutors said earlier in the day that the driver was stable after surgery.
Investigators have said the attack bears all the hallmarks of a contract killing. They have also not ruled out that the murder was linked to Kalmanovich's business activities.
Born in 1949 in Soviet Lithuania, Kalmanovich left the U.S.S.R. with his family for Israel in 1972, where he graduated from Jerusalem University. In 1988, he was sentenced to nine years in jail for spying for the Soviet Union, but released in 1993. He then left Israel and returned to Moscow, quickly finding his way in the chaotic dawn of post-Soviet capitalism
ayanami_tard
11-03-2009, 07:12 AM
There is no such thing as "ex-KGB".
you can quit the job but you can't quit the club
User_Name
11-03-2009, 07:19 AM
He he, he was a friend of Yaponchik(so called godfather of "russian" mafia), who also was gunned in this summer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Ivankov
So his backgroung being a ex-KGB agent has nothing to do with his death.
hidayatnw
11-03-2009, 07:40 AM
Maybe Ex - CIA kill him...
tea drinker
11-03-2009, 07:46 AM
Or maybe Putin himself killed him....:cantbeli:
By the way, cool story, bro.
Putin is the trigger man, Medvedev is the wheel man.
Rayber
11-03-2009, 07:54 AM
The Bear And The Dragon anyone ?
Timmy!
11-03-2009, 08:06 AM
Has nothing to do with his ex-KGBsness, hi was also a bussinesman
HakkaPelitta
11-03-2009, 02:28 PM
When Will Russia become civilized?
Breakfast in Vegas
11-03-2009, 02:31 PM
When Will Russia become civilized?People being gunned down happens in many countries in the "civilized" world. We can't all be Finland.
Flamming_Python
11-03-2009, 02:42 PM
Nope. He uncovered the formula for cold fusion and was assassinated by ninjas working for the NWO so that they could continue perpetuating violence in the middle east to facilitate the return of their reptilian overlords.
Man you were going good until you brought those reptilians in there :roll:
Welcome to the team, Olya.
More like , "international crook gets gunned down in Moscow."
I doubt people in Lubyanka are weeping and mourning one of "their own"
Sashko
11-03-2009, 04:43 PM
A Russian businessman who was convicted in Israel as a KGB spy has been shot dead in Moscow, police say.
Investigators said Shabattai Kalmanovich, 60, was killed by gunmen who fired at his Mercedes from a passing car, Russian media reported.
His driver was seriously wounded in the attack but tried to chase the killers, reports said.
Mr Kalmanovich was well known in Russia as a music concert promoter and as a basketball sponsor.
His killing appeared to have been "carefully planned", a police official was quoted by ITAR-Tass news agency as saying.
In televised remarks, Moscow Investigative Committee chief Anatoly Bagmet said the killing could have been related to Mr Kalmanovich's business affairs or have been driven by "personal revenge".
Jailed for spying
Mr Kalmanovich emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel in 1971 and in 1988 was jailed for spying for the KGB, media reports said.
He was released after serving five years and relocated to Sierra Leone, where he made a fortune in the diamonds trade.
He later returned to Russia where he ran a large shopping centre in Moscow and promoted concerts for stars including Michael Jackson and Liza Minnelli.
Mr Kalmanovich also sponsored basketball clubs and in 2008 became general manager of the Russian women's basketball team.
Part in bold is most likely the reason why he got wacked. KGB twist is just sensationalist BS.
sepheronx
11-03-2009, 04:48 PM
When Will Russia become civilized?
Just as soon as crack dealers, mobsters and gangsters in the USA to stop killing each other and innocent people in Detroit and various other cities/states.
People die everywhere, be it gun shot, or something else. Does it make all the people uncivilized? Does it make the country a 3rd world?
What country you from? I bet I can build up a few things that show murder and such from your country. Would that make you uncivilized?
Just as soon as crack dealers, mobsters and gangsters in the USA to stop killing each other and innocent people in Detroit and various other cities/states.
People die everywhere, be it gun shot, or something else. Does it make all the people uncivilized? Does it make the country a 3rd world?
What country you from? I bet I can build up a few things that show murder and such from your country. Would that make you uncivilized?
He is from a country, that organize children kidnappings on a government level.
Derbedeu
11-03-2009, 05:01 PM
Part in bold is most likely the reason why he got wacked. KGB twist is just sensationalist BS.
Cause he was a music concert promoter and a basketball sponsor?! Seems a pretty trivial reason to me....
Snoshi
11-03-2009, 05:09 PM
He is from a country, that organize children kidnappings on a government level.
I think you are reffering to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_incident
Anton's mother left Finland with Anton 2008 without the consent of the father on March 5, 2008.[1][12] Finnish online newspaper Uusi Suomi claims, that the Russian Embassy in Finland assisted the mother with the Russian visa application.[13] The paper speculates that name of the father may have been forged on the application.[14]
The 65 year old father blames a religious organization near the Russian orthodox church in Finland for the abduction,[15][16] calling the Memorial Society of Saint Seraphim of Sarov (Finnish: Serafim Sarovilaisen Muistoyhdistys)[17] a sect. The lower court in Tampere has ordered that the mother be detained on suspicion of child abduction. The order is only effective inside the European Union.[18] Russia is not a signatory of the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. The court also gave sole custody of the child to the father.[18] In Russia Anton was granted Russian citizenship based on information provided by the mother. According to Uusi Suomi this sort of citizenships are normally granted in months, not in days.[13]
If so then your post is a flamebait..
dracon49
11-03-2009, 05:12 PM
I wouldnt be too sad ,because He had to get a death penalty for spying on Israel(in my opinion at least). Now he got his punish ,but because a different reason(probably it has connection to his businesses).
Sashko
11-03-2009, 05:21 PM
Cause he was a music concert promoter and a basketball sponsor?! Seems a pretty trivial reason to me....
No, because he rotated around money and interests connected to money. His interests simply crossed paths with someone else's interests, and that someone else had a little more weight.
Russia is ruthless capitalism, and contract killings have been a part of Russian business landscape for the last 20 years (not as bad as '95, when 10 S600 Mercedeses blew up every 24 hours, but it's still there).
sepheronx
11-03-2009, 05:23 PM
No, because he rotated around money and interests connected to money. His interests simply crossed paths with someone else's interests, and that someone else had a little more weight.
Russia is ruthless capitalism, and contract killings have been a part of Russian business landscape for the last 20 years (not as bad as '95, when 10 S600 Mercedeses blew up every 24 hours, but it's still there).
I guess if I would do business in Russia, it aint gonna be in moscow. I like to live...... [/sarcasm]
Derbedeu
11-03-2009, 05:56 PM
Russia is ruthless capitalism, and contract killings have been a part of Russian business landscape for the last 20 years
:|
Russians don't **** about, do they.
hidayatnw
11-03-2009, 08:10 PM
ask Putin, he knows who is the killer..
eskachig
11-03-2009, 09:14 PM
I wouldnt be too sad ,because He had to get a death penalty for spying on Israel(in my opinion at least). Now he got his punish ,but because a different reason(probably it has connection to his businesses).He was already convicted in Israeli court for that offense, and served his time. And yeah, the man's business associates were probably unsavory - in general someone who does well in the Sierra Leone diamond business lives on the edge.
I guess if I would do business in Russia, it aint gonna be in moscow. I like to live...... [/sarcasm]
Moscow has a murder rate of 9.6 per 100,000 inhabitants, LA has 12.4, Houston has 16.3, Detroit 41.1, Washinton DC 35.4, etc etc etc.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html
So yeah, Moscow is actually quite safe in comparison.
Difool
11-04-2009, 02:52 AM
If you stick to legal buisiness you should do fine.
Switek
11-04-2009, 03:02 AM
Derbedeu, this murder was nothing but a kind of "inter corporation relations culture" which rule in Russia currently. You can expect much more such incidents soon after an assassination of Viacheslav Ivankov aka "Japanese" last summer.
Looking for political motives of it is just pure rubbish.
Holycrusader
11-04-2009, 03:08 AM
When Will Russia become civilized?
Drive-by shootings are part of being civilized you Finnish barbarian...
domokun
11-04-2009, 06:22 AM
He was released after serving five years and relocated to Sierra Leone, where he made a fortune in the diamonds trade.I think I have figured out why he died. It involves pants. He didn't wear those that day and wasn't invincible. If he had worn those he would still be alive and there would be less hitmen still alive.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg241/762rk95/blooddiamondpantsnt3aq6.gif
Sashko
11-04-2009, 08:51 AM
If you stick to legal buisiness you should do fine.
Not really. Again,for example someone likes the property your business occupies, or someone owes you money they are not planning on giving back, or your business partner decides to go solo, or you don't pay rollbacks to the right people...etc.
What country you from? I bet I can build up a few things that show murder and such from your country. Would that make you uncivilized?
chill, man, he's from International Troll Cohorts.
shoora
11-04-2009, 08:35 PM
Looks like to be a high profile business man in xUSSR is still a very dengerous business itself. Interesting, is there other areas in a world where CEO gets killed like this?
So yeah, Moscow is actually quite safe in comparison.
This is true for normal people. If you dealt with criminal money, you are in danger. If you started business in 90s, I will give almost 100% probability you had business with criminals. Today in Russia small and medium business is very safe.
Drive-by shootings are part of being civilized you Finnish barbarian...
Actually, this was trademark of at least one civilized country :-)
Russia is ruthless capitalism, and contract killings have been a part of Russian business landscape for the last 20 years (not as bad as '95, when 10 S600 Mercedeses blew up every 24 hours, but it's still there).
Not only in Russia, it is the same everywhere in xUSSR and some parts of eastern europe. Bigger fish bite smaller one and sharks sometimes are fighting to death.
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