The "first ever" submachine gun

[Jooglae]

http://www.carabinieri.it/arma/ieri/storia/img/11/06_02.jpg

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/villarpe.jpg

*Linked images removed at the request of that site's webmaster*
Visit www.comune.villarperosa.to.it

This gun is a Villar-Perosa Modele 1915 pistola mitragliatrice. All I know about this gun is that it was built in Italy in 1915, was the oldest submachine gun ever built, and was used by Italian alpine troops during World War 1.

Maybe some of our Italian site members, who show up every now and then could give me some more explanation about this archaic gun....

[BT_Recon]

eek... i wouldnt poke that with a stick.

[PureMassacre]

That avatar is very familiar :)

[BT_Recon]

indeed so my good man :)

how old are those weapons?

[Jooglae]

I told you......It was made in Italy in 1915.

And does anybody know anything about this gun?

I can't read Italian....

[hood]

well here's some cheezy translations of what it says in the 2 pics via google.


the gun is born machine-gun

the ancestors of the modern guns machine-guns, the villar perosa, seen from the high.

[catalyst]

it maybe interesting to note that the picture that "BC_recon" has is one of him in no more than his ARMY CADET uniform. What he is doing is illegal and the provos should be over to kick his ass....using ADF property to make himself look like he actually does something good.

Note on his shoulder he has a blue flash, this is in fact the Australian Army Cadte Corps badge and he is most likey using a bb pistol to try and look kool....get a life u childidh bastard(he must be...u cant be in cadtes unless u r under 19)

[Schuster]

wow.. stuck it to him. :fork:

[BT_Recon]

Hahah, shut up wanker (3RAR). Its my equipment, and yes the uniform I am wearing in that photo does have a blue flash on it from my cadet days that is correct, how very observant of you, it seems to me like you are looking for trouble if you snoop around for fine details like that. I dont see why its such a big deal either arsehole.

You said... Being soo extremely cool:

"it maybe interesting to note that the picture that "BC_recon" has is one of him in no more than his ARMY CADET uniform. What he is doing is illegal and the provos should be over to kick his ass....using ADF property to make himself look like he actually does something good.

Note on his shoulder he has a blue flash, this is in fact the Australian Army Cadte Corps badge and he is most likey using a bb pistol to try and look kool....get a life u childidh bastard(he must be...u cant be in cadtes unless u r under 19)"

Now let me pick out your faults.

You didnt start your first sentence with a captial, thats just not on. You also spellt my name wrong so you were'nt even talking about me but I understand where you seem to be coming from. You didnt leave a space between the last word and the first bracket. ADF property... Errrr, wrong answer... My property. You cant spell cadets properly "Cadte"... Spelling Cool with a "k" is also wrong. "Childidh" you mean to say Childish I presume.... Hahah.

With that on my side, I have come to the conclusion that you are either:
A) Younger than myself
B) You have no idea what you are saying
C) You cant spell properly
D) All of the above.

D) is the correct answer in this case I believe Mr"3RAR".


Now, go and sit back down in the corner and play with yourself.

You might also want to consider learning to either use a spell check or go back to school Mate...


Some background info:

All about 3RAR

Joined: 27 May 2003
Total posts: 11
Location: Melbourne Australia
Occupation: Student

3RAR is based in Sydney.... Where as you live in Melbourne, and you are a student..... Oh deary me..... Whats this???! By the way he seems to be acting (cocky, inconsiderate) he must be some year 11 student "paratrooper wannabe" and you're bagging me?



I think that covers it.

have a nice day gentlemen.

[hood]

while i'm at it, i'll translate that also:

esso forse che interessa per notare che l'immagine che "BC_recon" ha è uno di lui in nient'altro del suo uniform del CADET dell'cEsercito. Che cosa sta facendo è illegale ed i provos dovrebbero essere sopra dare dei calci alla sua proprietà dell'asino....using ADF per rendersi lo sguardo come realmente fa qualche cosa di buon. Nota sulla sua spalla ha un flash blu, questo è in effetti il distintivo australiano del corpo di Cadte dell'esercito ed è la maggior parte del likey usando una pistola del bb per provare ed il kool....get che di sguardo un bastard(he del childidh di vita u deve essere... cant di u è nei cadtes a meno che u r sotto 19)

[rob]

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Gordon]

Hood, I Like your style ... rofl

[Registered_fugitiv]

heh looks like we got us one of them old fasion mexican standoffs

[Random Walker]

And does anybody know anything about this gun?
Chambered for 9x19 Glisenti round, always build as a double gun (not to be confused by the OVP – bottom pictures that only later evolved from it and some of which survived into early days of WWII), fed from a pair of 25 round box mags, operated on a delayed blowback principle. Apart of being issued to infantry and used as a fire support weapon in manner reminiscent of the proposed “trench gun” some were reportedly mounted on aircraft

Regards
Random

[James]

That is the first. In 1916 and 1917, the Germans developed submachineguns that were issued to their "Sturmtruppen" for the offensives of 1918.

[He219]

That last image marked OVP (http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/650.htm) is the latter version Villar Perosa (http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/mgun_vperosa.htm). More Alpini relation here (http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v1/v1n2/adriatic.html).
http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/graphics/mgun_vperosa.jpg

This is the Bergmann built MP18 designed by Hugo Schmeiser of C.G. Haenel who later developed the 'Sturmgewehr' with the MP43:
http://www.europa1939.com/infanteria/fusil/mp18-4.JPG

Another early development was by Captain Cei-Rigotti. In 1894 he produced an automatic rifle for the King of Naples. An improved version was developed in 1900 and tested by the UK Small Arms Committee in 1905.
http://www.remov.com/inne/_Cei-Rigotti_1895(400).jpg

:P

[Saranof]

it maybe interesting to note that the picture that "BC_recon" has is one of him in no more than his ARMY CADET uniform. What he is doing is illegal and the provos should be over to kick his ass....using ADF property to make himself look like he actually does something good.

Note on his shoulder he has a blue flash, this is in fact the Australian Army Cadte Corps badge and he is most likey using a bb pistol to try and look kool....get a life u childidh bastard(he must be...u cant be in cadtes unless u r under 19)

Chill it ffs, if you don't like his avatar at least say it in a "nice" way, wich dosn't involke the words "get a life" ,"childish bastard" or "kick his ass".