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Mango Madness

11-04-2009, 09:16 PM

Russia stresses tolerance on national holiday
By LYNN BERRY (AP) – 8 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVMKVl6uoH_8XfZDWSg4bBMHs9tgD9BORCL80

MOSCOW — Tens of thousands of people took part in Moscow street rallies and concerts Wednesday on a new national holiday that the Kremlin tried to portray as a celebration of Russia's ethnic diversity.
The Moscow rallies were peaceful, police said, but a nationalist march of a few hundred people on the outskirts of St. Petersburg turned violent when six people tried to protest. Nationalists attacked the protesters, kicking some of them as they lay on the ground. Riot police moved in to break up the rally and pull the protesters to safety.

The Kremlin introduced National Unity Day in 2005 to replace the traditional Nov. 7 celebration of the 1917 Revolution that brought the Bolsheviks to power.

But the new holiday was quickly seized upon by extreme nationalists and white supremacists, as well as by Russian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists and monarchists. The first year the Nov. 4 holiday was celebrated, thousands of nationalists marched through central Moscow, some shouting "Heil Hitler!"

Nationalists gathered for a concert Wednesday across the river from the Kremlin and they held their now-annual "Russian March," this year on the outskirts of the capital. But they were far outnumbered by members of pro-Kremlin parties and youth groups who turned out for separate rallies, marches and concerts throughout Moscow.

Members of one youth group wore red ponchos with the words "Everyone Is Ours," in the sense that no one is a foreigner.
The Kremlin push for tolerance and inclusiveness on Wednesday was part of an overall message that Russia is stronger when its people stand united.
In a ceremony just outside Red Square, the Russian Orthodox patriarch was joined by Russia's Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist leaders.

"Our nation is multiethnic," Patriarch Kirill told a crowd of several thousand people, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. "We, representatives of the religions of Russia, are evidence that neither religious nor ethnic differences can divide our nation."

The Kremlin has tried to give the holiday historical significance by tying it to the 1612 expulsion of Polish and Cossack troops who had briefly seized Moscow at a time of political disarray.

President Dmitry Medvedev, speaking at a Kremlin reception, noted that four centuries ago "people of different classes, nationalities and faiths" followed the call of merchant Kuzma Minin and Prince Dmitry Pozharsky and came together to liberate Moscow.

"The unity of the people saved the country from internal conflict and foreign influence," Medvedev said.
During the reception the president handed out state awards to foreigners who have helped promote Russian culture and Russia's image abroad.
Russian leaders have spoken out against racism and xenophobia in recent years, partly in response to an alarming rise in hate crimes against dark-skinned foreigners and migrants from Central Asia.
Right activists, however, say the extreme nationalist sentiments are a natural outgrowth of the Kremlin's attempts to rebuild a strong Russian state.

About 2,000 people took part in Wednesday's nationalist march in Moscow, which had city approval and took place in the far southeast of the city. The marchers, mainly young men, carried Russian imperial black, yellow and white flags and banners of an anti-immigrant group. Their route was blocked to traffic and riot police maintained order.
Police said 20,000 people took part in a march in central Moscow and thousands gathered at various parks and squares elsewhere in the city.

Red_Fern

11-04-2009, 09:21 PM

But the new holiday was quickly seized upon by extreme nationalists and white supremacists, as well as by Russian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists and monarchists. The first year the Nov. 4 holiday was celebrated, thousands of nationalists marched through central Moscow, some shouting "Heil Hitler!"

I know these groups are everywhere all over the globe, but isn't it kind of ironic to have Russian citizens (of all people) to be chanting praises in favour of Hitler?

Mr.K

11-04-2009, 10:32 PM

I know these groups are everywhere all over the globe, but isn't it kind of ironic to have Russian citizens (of all people) to be chanting praises in favour of Hitler?

They are dumbasses, too bad Stalin isn't alive to exterminate them.

Jack Daniels

11-04-2009, 11:00 PM

I know these groups are everywhere all over the globe, but isn't it kind of ironic to have Russian citizens (of all people) to be chanting praises in favour of Hitler?

Like you said, they are everywhere. Plenty of idiots in the world, nothing you can do about it.

MG 3

11-05-2009, 02:14 AM

They are dumbasses, too bad Stalin isn't alive to exterminate them.

you should link this to the Medvedev Stalin thread.

Switek

11-05-2009, 02:21 AM

Putin's social engineerings who developed this holiday obviously failed. A day which was to unity Russians, in fact divides them and sends rather unpleasant message.

sepheronx

11-05-2009, 02:27 AM

Putin's social engineerings who developed this holiday obviously failed. A day which was to unity Russians, in fact divides them and sends rather unpleasant message.

I dont see how it divdes them more. A lot better concept then the gay pride, black pride, or latin pride that is here. It separates us more, because if there ever be a white pride rally here, people would instantly be called neo-Nazis.

Like someone else said, this **** is everywhere.

Jack Daniels

11-05-2009, 02:34 AM

Putin's social engineerings who developed this holiday obviously failed.
Switek i think there's no point for you to post in any Russian related thread, no one takes you seriously, we already know what you're going to say. Russia = bad, Putin = Bad, blah blah blah....

Switek

11-05-2009, 02:42 AM

Russia = bad...

Find any my post, where I wrote that Russia is bad to prove your statement...

So far you can only twist facts and put into my mouths things I never said.

asch

11-05-2009, 03:22 AM

Putin's social engineerings who developed this holiday obviously failed.
it was October Revolution Day, leaved alone to not hurt feelings of elderly people, which was transformed into National Unity Day to not hurt tender feelings of ourr western neighbours. not related to any engineering, man.p-)

Switek

11-05-2009, 03:30 AM

it was October Revolution Day, leaved alone to not hurt feelings of elderly people, which was transformed into National Unity Day to not hurt tender feelings of ourr western neighbours. not related to any engineering, man.p-)

In fact I do prefer your National Unity Day, even if it symbolizes how Poles were kicked in their asses much more than Great Socialistic October Revolution... :). But, in fact, it's still artificial holiday for most Russians.

Anyway when the day was implementing in 2005 and 2006 Kremlin administration played too much nationalistic card so this where current problems with nationalistic scums comes from.

Afro-European

11-05-2009, 03:54 AM

They are dumbasses, too bad Stalin isn't alive to exterminate them.
Co-sign.Their grand-fathers that fought agaisnt nazism are turning in their graves.

saturnin

11-05-2009, 03:58 AM

Switek i think there's no point for you to post in any Russian related thread, no one takes you seriously, we already know what you're going to say. Russia = bad, Putin = Bad, blah blah blah....

Jack Daniels, I think there´s no point for you to post in any Russian related thread, many people don´t take you seriously, we already know what you´re probably going to say.p-)

wait, isn´t this discussion thread?

saturnin

11-05-2009, 04:04 AM

it was October Revolution Day, leaved alone to not hurt feelings of elderly people, which was transformed into National Unity Day to not hurt tender feelings of ourr western neighbours. not related to any engineering, man.p-)

roflplease read with clear mind what you wrote. Now, this is just small example of "social" engineering, man. This is not christian or any other religion holiday. It is not even more holiday created in direct response to concrete historical event. They took somethink what was usage and took decision behind table to create somethink new....

shoora

11-05-2009, 04:37 AM

it was October Revolution Day, leaved alone to not hurt feelings of elderly people, which was transformed into National Unity Day to not hurt tender feelings of ourr western neighbours. not related to any engineering, man.p-)
Actually, this day hurts Poles very much. Because it was officially connected to event which puts end to their plans to colonize Russia and build greatest empire in eastern europe. Basically, they lost this place to Russia. It really hurts.
Please, respect their feelings.

The first year the Nov. 4 holiday was celebrated, thousands of nationalists marched through central Moscow, some shouting "Heil Hitler!"
I love AP! This sentence itself is a brilliant example of brainwashing. They almost made me believe that nazis shouted "Heil Hitler!" this year - 2009. But this is not "The first year the Nov. 4 holiday was celebrated". They did not tell how those nazi finished rally in 2005. But they said that "police moved in to break up the rally and pull the protesters to safety". And you see only photos of hundred of nazi in St. Petersburg and not a single picture of tens of thousands of normal people in Moscow ind SpB. Those are too ordinary.
So, they without telling you lie, they made just 'right' impression.

Ugly but, unfortunately, not unique. Sometimes even more vivid.
Estonia
http://russbalt.ucoz.ru/_nw/8/47536.jpg

Latvia
http://www.annews.ru/upload/iblock/d8f/Fashist.jpg

Ukraine
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/2009/06/20/b3/b301ef7cf66bc167ed0834d2b0b2e30f.jpg
http://www.seychas.com.ua/files/News/2009/04/27/7432/7432_image_large.jpg
Official banner to celebrate SS division in Lvov, Ukraine

Switek

11-05-2009, 04:47 AM

Actually, this day hurts Poles very much. Bacause it was officially connected to event which puts end to their plans to colonize Russia and build greatest empire in eastern europe. Basically, they lost this place to russia. It really hurts.
Please, respect their feelings.:cantbeli:
What a BS!!! Seems that the author of soviet education system would be proud of you.

This is what we are talking about:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8085/rosjanieswietujapolakow.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9907/rosjanieswietujapolakoww.jpg

Redox

11-05-2009, 04:51 AM

You really have to wonder why these rallys are not instantly dissolved by police like they usually do with pro democracy / opposition rallys.

edit:
Why do these people even dare to behave like that. They do not seem to fear that the police beats the crap out of them, like one might expect.

sepheronx

11-05-2009, 04:56 AM

Now I am wondering.............What does the education entail? I mean, don't they teach about the second world war and about how Nazi's where evil (much like ours)? If that is the case, and in the sense that they understand that the Nazi's wanted to exterminate their race, that they still think it is alright to spew out Nazi slogans and such?

And what is the amount of these people? I understand there are a lot of Neo Nazi's in Russia, but how many? In comparrison to people who understand other cultures and acknowledge them?

I mean, I speak to Russians at work all the time, and they are very intelligent. They seem to be very understanding and acknowledge all races. I know not all, but still?

Could it be just that these people get more media attention, thus it just seems that the country is just racist to begin with?

void

11-05-2009, 05:13 AM

Switek

11-05-2009, 05:14 AM

@shoora, sepheronx

Despite the fact that many media in Poland describes this holiday as "anti Polish" most my countrymen do no bother. What more there's no nostalgia about golden ages of 1st Rzeczpospolita right now. We are directed toward the West where we belong and where is our future.

As I stated already, the fact that Poles here kicked on Nov. 4th 1612 and had to back away doesn't hurt me any most Poles, what you, according to soviet propaganda, insist. You shoora, must one of the Mr. "I know what other feels" but you failed claiming

Basically, they lost this place to russia. It really hurts.
Please, respect their feelings. What is biased simplification and not entitled generalization based of soviet version of history how to "Polskie Pany" gang up on to grab Russian land.

hastati

11-05-2009, 05:27 AM

Switek is of course right. Me bet is that most of the Poles don't remember or even know about our expeditions 1609-1612 so how they can have any feelings about this day?

sepheronx

11-05-2009, 05:29 AM

@shoora, sepheronx

Despite the fact that many media in Poland describes this holiday as "anti Polish" most my countrymen do no bother. What more there's no nostalgia about golden ages of 1st Rzeczpospolita right now. We are directed toward the West where we belong and where is our future.

As I stated already, the fact that Poles here kicked on Nov. 4th 1612 and had to back away doesn't hurt me any most Poles, what you, according to soviet propaganda, insist. You shoora, must one of the Mr. "I know what other feels" but you failed claiming
What is biased simplification and not entitled generalization based of soviet version of history how to "Polskie Pany" gang up on to grab Russian land.

This isn't because the west is paying while the east isn't, right? I mean, we all know Poland went from one sugar daddy to the other.

Edit: Yeah, I mean, Poland may be right beside Russia. Germany and France may be doing a lot of business in Russia, Poland wants to stir ****. I mean, they belong to the west, but their geological location does not.

Switek

11-05-2009, 05:58 AM

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

sepheronx

11-05-2009, 06:10 AM

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

haha. OK.

I thought a little good joke would have been in place for such a serious thread with such serious people.

Question though Switek. What is it that makes Poland a western Country? What has it shown? what has it proven?

I will now be serious in saying that Poland has done nothing other then complain about how Russia does business, yet still supports a crap dictatorship in Ukraine. I don't understand poland, and yes, I understand that there is a history that shows Poland and Russia having its squabbles, but calling me a troll and not actually looking at yourself is both hilarious and humiliating (for both you and me). You may insult me and you may throw jabs at me, but I still don't quite understand your objectives. Me, I may like Russia. My reason is because everyone ****s on the country, and I find it interesting that everyone does, when the country is no different then any other (actually, quite better then some). But maybe it is just rhetorics placed from propaganda? Maybe it is something we fear from them?

I have to throw jabs and jokes around (regardless if it makes me looking like a troll, douche or whatever). Because I can no longer take anyone on this site seriously, when it comes to going against Russia or for it. Just as much with Poland and USA and various other countries.

But for you Switek, just for you.

Russia Evil. Putin Evil. They kill innocent journalists. They eat Georgian babies. They eat everyones babies.

Am I missing something?

Edit: I just wanted to say, is that your credibility went down the toilet when you make statements like "Putin this and that". You turned this thread into a Putin = ****lawlstorm. Why? Why did you do that? I dont understand when this had nothing to do with Putin but to do with Neo-Nazis. Why? I am just wondering, as it makes no sense.

hidayatnw

11-05-2009, 06:54 AM

Neo Nazi scumbags are just bunch of idiot, moron, jobless, unintelligent creature...

Switek

11-05-2009, 07:19 AM

haha. Ok.

I thought a little good joke would have been in place for such a serious thread with such serious people.

if it was a joke, it was bad taste then.

question though switek. What is it that makes poland a western country? What has it shown? What has it proven?

first of all, baptizing of poland according to roma's rite, latin alphabet, and whole history where italian, german, french influences in language, art, agriculture are part of our current identity. Nowadays is we belong to eu and nato and share the same values.

i will now be serious in saying that poland has done nothing other then complain about how russia does business, yet still supports a crap dictatorship in ukraine.

calling yuschchenko dictator is not entitled. Right now, of course. He still has valid legal mandate given by people in commonly acknowledged free elections.
In fact it's not about business but politics and history.

i don't understand poland, and yes, i understand that there is a history that shows poland and russia having its squabbles, but calling me a troll and not actually looking at yourself is both hilarious and humiliating (for both you and me). You may insult me and you may throw jabs at me, but i still don't quite understand your objectives. Me, i may like russia. My reason is because everyone ****s on the country, and i find it interesting that everyone does, when the country is no different then any other (actually, quite better then some). But maybe it is just rhetorics placed from propaganda? Maybe it is something we fear from them?

I have to throw jabs and jokes around (regardless if it makes me looking like a troll, douche or whatever). Because i can no longer take anyone on this site seriously, when it comes to going against russia or for it. Just as much with poland and usa and various other countries.

i have nothing against russia and russians. I enjoy reading sergey lukyanenko (who is my favorite sf writer) books and watching russian channel (in polish) in my sat tv. I have seep respect toward many russians but i do criticize current russian internal and international policy because is just short view and sooner or late will bring new problems and challenges.

In fact, for bad polish - rusian relations (not economic or political because they're quite well now) i'd blame both polish and russian authorities because the cultural exchange and personal communication are not significant. From one side is russian pride - "for us big russians partners are germany, usa, france..." from another is polish pride "those barbarian hordes of ruskies have nothing to offer us".

Sorry but bad will is on both sides

but for you switek, just for you.

Russia evil. Putin evil. They kill innocent journalists. They eat georgian babies. They eat everyones babies.

Am i missing something?

Edit: I just wanted to say, is that your credibility went down the toilet when you make statements like "putin this and that". You turned this thread into a putin = ****lawlstorm. Why? Why did you do that? I dont understand when this had nothing to do with putin but to do with neo-nazis. Why? I am just wondering, as it makes no sense.

my main criticism toward putin administration and pm himself isn't his goals but the way he's going to achieve. The same was when nud implemented. I'm not against russian nationalism but it showed not nice face what makes questions about real intention of russian government valid. From one hand really independent, small rallies are dispelled by police batons.

Yes in countries which are facade democracies leaders pays for their and their administration decisions, even if are not personally involved.

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Jack Daniels

11-05-2009, 08:02 AM

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

Switak, is there anyone on this forum who you actually didn't call a troll so far? Somehow anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

hastati

11-05-2009, 08:32 AM

If you don't understand why he was called "troll" - you are probably troll too. :)

lightfire

11-05-2009, 09:15 AM

Switak, is there anyone on this forum who you actually didn't call a troll so far? Somehow anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

sepheronx has been banned for trolling in the past and known as "making Canadians look bad". Pretty sure, he's not even a Canadian, but a comrade patriot living in warm exile/ Anyway, his posts have been reported, and as this thread goes down the drain as usual, he'll be infracted/banned once again.

sarhat

11-05-2009, 09:32 AM

I think, when "event" was chosen, main was "it should be near Day Of October".
So it could be something B.C. easily p-)

Robert.V

11-05-2009, 11:22 AM

What was wrong with the Soviet education system ? It was certainly by a mile better then the one I received here.

But the new holiday was quickly seized upon by extreme nationalists and white supremacists, as well as by Russian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists and monarchists. The first year the Nov. 4 holiday was celebrated, thousands of nationalists marched through central Moscow, some shouting "Heil Hitler!"

And why the **** ain't the goverment doing something about this.

Send OMON on their asses.

Red_Fern

11-05-2009, 11:23 AM

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

Xaito

11-05-2009, 03:46 PM

You really have to wonder why these rallys are not instantly dissolved by police like they usually do with pro democracy / opposition rallys.

because unlike the opposition protests they did theirs where they had gotten permission to do it - opposition protesters do it where they didn't get permission to get arrested and make it on the newspapers in the west.

Kutuzov

11-05-2009, 04:50 PM

These people are barely able to tie their own shoelaces and perform basic bodily functions. They are not able to piece together basic concepts such as "Hitler tried to exterminate slavic people" and "I am supporting Hitler"

They follow Hitlers racial purity ideology and do say that his "minus" is attacking Russia.At list thats what i was told by one in Ekaterinburg.Those concepts you talk of are quite familiar to them from what i know.

Kutuzov

11-05-2009, 04:59 PM

sepheronx

11-05-2009, 05:03 PM

sepheronx has been banned for trolling in the past and known as "making Canadians look bad". Pretty sure, he's not even a Canadian, but a comrade patriot living in warm exile/ Anyway, his posts have been reported, and as this thread goes down the drain as usual, he'll be infracted/banned once again.

Anything constructive to say? Or are you just going to throw cheap jabs?

Flamming_Python

11-05-2009, 06:27 PM

In fact I do prefer your National Unity Day, even if it symbolizes how Poles were kicked in their asses much more than Great Socialistic October Revolution... :). But, in fact, it's still artificial holiday for most Russians.

Anyway when the day was implementing in 2005 and 2006 Kremlin administration played too much nationalistic card so this where current problems with nationalistic scums comes from.

The ethnic/religious/national problems in Russia stem from the 90's, poverty, corrupt rule, the Chechen wars, extremism in the Caucasus, nationalistic propaganda during this time, loss of ideology/moral framework, political populism, civil wars in several ex-Soviet countries, competition between ethnic elites, mafia & criminals, and a number of other factors.

They have very little to do with the implementation of a national holiday in 2005/2006, nor for that matter with the 'rebuilding of the Russian state' (which if anything has lessened them), or with Putin/Medvedev's rule. The 'nationalism' that Putin promoted was never an ethnic or religious based one; it was based on Russian citizenship and identity.

As for the holiday; surely the October Revolution would be a far more relevant event when it comes to celebrating Russia's diversity and friendship of the peoples. I don't know what the liberation of Moscow in 1612 has to do with any of this.

CPL Trevoga

11-05-2009, 06:46 PM

As for the holiday; surely the October Revolution would be a far more relevant event when it comes to celebrating Russia's diversity and friendship of the peoples. I don't know what the liberation of Moscow in 1612 has to do with any of this.

Liberation of Russia from Poland has a lot to do with unity. During "Dark time", in absence of leadership of szar, people of Russia of all levels of society united against evil Polish empire and liberated it from oppression, religious persecution of murderous Polish pany.

shoora

11-06-2009, 03:48 AM

The ethnic/religious/national problems in Russia stem from the 90's, poverty, corrupt rule, the Chechen wars, extremism in the Caucasus, nationalistic propaganda during this time, loss of ideology/moral framework, political populism, civil wars in several ex-Soviet countries, competition between ethnic elites, mafia & criminals, and a number of other factors.
Which nation "nationalistic propaganda"? I believe despite Russia in 90s made all possible mistakes, but we can hardly accuse them of practical nationalism. Ordinary stuff like Samovar, Matroshka, Balalaika and cosovorotka is not serious.
Invented by Eltsin name Rossiane for citizens for Russian Federation did not sounded too good nor for ethnic russians, nor other nationalities. But worked surprisingly good.

They have very little to do with the implementation of a national holiday in 2005/2006, nor for that matter with the 'rebuilding of the Russian state' (which if anything has lessened them), or with Putin/Medvedev's rule. The 'nationalism' that Putin promoted was never an ethnic or religious based one; it was based on Russian citizenship and identity.

As for the holiday; surely the October Revolution would be a far more relevant event when it comes to celebrating Russia's diversity and friendship of the peoples. I don't know what the liberation of Moscow in 1612 has to do with any of this.
I think idea of this celebration is pretty clever and comforting. Sorry, if they touched controversial and sensitive for Poland topic. But, frankly, since 1989 nobody in Eastern Europe cares about friendly relations with Russia.

Gloom

11-06-2009, 05:27 AM

Invented by Eltsin name Rossiane
Fail, dude. Even Pushkin used this word.

did not sounded too good nor for ethnic russians dunno, sounds not so bad for me. Anyway, we need word that meant nationality, not ethnicity (like "sovetskiy narod" was), and "Rossiyane" is good for this purpose.

I don't know what the liberation of Moscow in 1612 has to do with any of this. Learn to history then.

nationalistic propaganda liberalistic propaganda, am I right?

Switek

11-06-2009, 05:53 AM

.... evil Polish empire and liberated it from oppression, religious persecution of murderous Polish pany.

Wow! Just wow! Anyway justice eventually won!

Ahtung! Staged but graphic image!!! (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6673/z5426630x.jpg)

;)

Kilgor

11-06-2009, 06:01 AM

because unlike the opposition protests they did theirs where they had gotten permission to do it - opposition protesters do it where they didn't get permission to get arrested and make it on the newspapers in the west.

So why do Nazi's get the permits and the opposition protestors don't? It would be insulting even to a child's intelligence to think this has something to do with red tape and regulation.

They are allowed to march for a Reason. Given Russia's history, someone should be authorizing some severe beatdown action.

Xaito

11-06-2009, 07:10 AM

So why do Nazi's get the permits and the opposition protestors don't? It would be insulting even to a child's intelligence to think this has something to do with red tape and regulation.

They are allowed to march for a Reason. Given Russia's history, someone should be authorizing some severe beatdown action.

keep a cool head and think about it - there's not always a conspiracy going on you know.
The opposition protesters also get the same permission - on the outskirts of the town (where they don't block vital traffic - if you see how traffic looks on a good day in a Russian city you don't want to know how it looks when some morons block a major road).
Read the article - the nationalists got a permission on the outskirt of town also - it's just that they - unlike opposition parties - actually went and had their protest march where they had the permission to do so - that's why the riot police ended their protest march only when it turned violent.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that in some political circles nationalists are held in higher regard then Kasparov and his buddies but I really don't see how the nationalists have been given any special treatment here.

Mango Madness

11-06-2009, 07:17 AM

dunno, sounds not so bad for me. Anyway, we need word that meant nationality, not ethnicity (like "sovetskiy narod" was), and "Rossiyane" is good for this purpose.

Why? French citizens are called "French" and French is also the word for the ethnicity. Germans citizens are called "Germans" and German is also the word for the ethnicity, etc

Difool

11-06-2009, 07:26 AM

So why do Nazi's get the permits and the opposition protestors don't? It would be insulting even to a child's intelligence to think this has something to do with red tape and regulation.

In many cases those poor opposition protesters are the same Ultra-Nationalists and National Bolsheviks. So I cannot follow your process of reasoning here.

Mr.K

11-06-2009, 04:14 PM

What was wrong with the Soviet education system ? It was certainly by a mile better then the one I received here.

And why the **** ain't the goverment doing something about this.

Send OMON on their asses.

The Marxist-leninist class that everyone hated p-)

So why do Nazi's get the permits and the opposition protestors don't? It would be insulting even to a child's intelligence to think this has something to do with red tape and regulation.

They are allowed to march for a Reason. Given Russia's history, someone should be authorizing some severe beatdown action.

Because worldwide the ultra-right is always better organized than ultra-left, love of the leader, military style uniforms, marches, etc, etc.
Moreover ultra-left loves to yell "police brutality" and "There is no democracy here!"