Sikorski asks for American troops in Poland, Russia comments: there are many psychos.

[shadowsrider]

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/162/ARTICLE/12542/2009-11-06.html

http://russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-11-05/poland-wants-american-troops.html

[Derbedeu]

This caught my eye:


“Germany’s hosting of American troops brought up to 7 billion euros to German coffers annually, and I think Mr. Sikorski is well aware of it,” Kosachev said.I want more US troops as well!!! :)

[the_13th_redneck]

Eastern Europe FTW!!!

[shadowsrider]

And here in Russian:
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1269155&NodesID=5

Some journalists comment: good, we will have more American troops in our tactical missiles range.

[Herman the II]

I can understand the Poles.
If Russia simulates nuclear attacks and recent maneuvers contain offensive operations against Poland its no wonder that the Poles get nervous.
US troops will have lots of benefits for Poland.

Maybe the Poles can set up a mixed US/Polish corps similar to the Danish/German/Polish Multinational Corps Northeast.

http://www.abload.de/img/473px-1jyap.png

http://www.mncne.pl/

That would also enhance NATOs reaction capabilities in the Baltics.

[Jack Daniels]

All Russia has to do here is play the victim, turn the tables around, make U.S. look like the USSR. It will be easy considering that U.S. government isn't very popular this days.
Or, we might see something happen in Cuba or Venezuela.

[LineDoggie]

What is considered a Large Contingent?

We talking about a Platoon, Brigade, Division or Corps?

And still dont see the Pyscho comment in the page.

[seer]

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/162/ARTICLE/12542/2009-11-06.html

http://russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-11-05/poland-wants-american-troops.html

“Our wish is to have American troops stationed in our country as a shield against Russian aggression,” the minister said, as cited by Interfax news agency.

:cantbeli:

I think Interfax should hire more competent translators.

[shadowsrider]

Something enough against 900 tanks?

Kommersant: there is no offical reaction but some highly positioned member of presidental administration said that World Health Organization or ministery of health should comment this.

Echo of Moscow comments: there are many psychos in the world, not only in our (Russian) politics.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,7228797,Rosyjskie_media_o_slowach_Sikorskiego__psychopatow.html

[Stormz_STA]

“Our wish is to have American troops stationed in our country as a shield against Russian aggression,” the minister said, as cited by Interfax news agency.

:cantbeli:

I think Interfax should hire more competent translators.

x2
Sikorski never said such a thing.

[shadowsrider]

x2
Sikorski never said such a thing.

Yep, he said that Poland needs additional security guarantees (...) Germany felt secure not only thanks to 5th NATO point but thanks to 300k US soldiers.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80269,7227023,Sikorski_w_USA__Mowil__czy_nie_mowil_o_grozbie_rosyjskiej.html

Lavrov reacted that before commenting he needs exact Sikorski's transcription.

[Stormz_STA]

Yep, he said that Poland needs additional security guarantees (...) Germany felt secure not only thanks to 5th NATO point but thanks to 300k US soldiers.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80269,7227023,Sikorski_w_USA__Mowil__czy_nie_mowil_o_grozbie_rosyjskiej.html

Lavrov reacted that before commenting he needs exact Sikorski's transcription.

Well, Sikorski never said anythng about "russian aggression" so I don't know where the Russians got that quote from.
Anyway,I really don't see anything "psycho" about Sikorski's statements.

[shadowsrider]

Ok more comments on Russian TV according to Gazeta Wyborcza:
"This is old Poland's anti Russian politics. But American soldiers on Polish soil will increase Russia's defense capabilities: they will be at the range of our tactical missiles. It is good to have americam soldiers concentration points at this range" (seems that there are some armchair generals in TV)

[dttk0009]

Not intending to derail the thread here, but is an imminent Russian invasion of Poland still a widespread belief?

[Universal_Soldier]

Poland is not threaten by Russia. Poland has sufficient cover from US, EU and NATO to prevent any attack however unlikely. Russia has everything to lose in attacking Poland and nothing to gain.

Even the Polish defense on its own is not a push over by any means.

The simple truth here is: Poland wants America's Money
They are using Russia as a cover for sucking billions off Washington. The US will be foolish to accede.

[dttk0009]

Poland is not threaten by Russia. Poland has sufficient cover from US, EU and NATO to prevent any attack however unlikely. Russia has everything to lose in attacking Poland and nothing to gain.

Even the Polish defense on its own is not a push over by any means.

The simple truth here is: Poland wants America's Money
They are using Russia as a cover for sucking billions off Washington. The US will be foolish to accede.
I'll rephrase to make it interesting. Would an attack become more of a possibility without the foreign support?

[Switek]

This whole matter is just another storm in teacup.

[hastati]

Of course. Notice that attack is not only full scale invasion. By word "attack" we can also understand strike on strategic objects - powerplants, ports, military industry, airports etc. I don't want to name possible invador but for example Russia has many option to make this forecast real - Iskanders, Tu-22/95 - using it outside Polish borders and with no option for Poland to reply.
Russia claim that they has rights to make pre-emptive attack(with nuclear weapon!) so Poland has all reasons to secure itselfe against such a threat.
And please do not use argument that "attack on Poland is impossible" - if Russians can secure they rights to make pre-empitve attack in the time of peace so Poland can build her defence before its too late.
Nobody nows political situation for example in 2020. Somebody expected Soviet Union collapse in 1980?

Thats why personally i would really welcome here SM-3 and/or THAAD batteries, regular visits of US aircrafts and ships and some small but valuable and technological advanced units.
On this moment there is no NATO units on the East of Odra river what makes Poland and other countries not so sticked with NATO as other countries are.

[Universal_Soldier]

Of course. Notice that attack is not only full scale invasion. By word "attack" we can also understand strike on strategic objects - powerplants, ports, military industry, airports etc. I don't want to name possible invador but for example Russia has many option to make this forecast real - Iskanders, Tu-22/95 - using it outside Polish borders and with no option for Poland to reply.
Russia claim that they has rights to make pre-emptive attack(with nuclear weapon!) so Poland has all reasons to secure itselfe against such a threat.
And please do not use argument that "attack on Poland is impossible" - if Russians can secure they rights to make pre-empitve attack in the time of peace so Poland can build pre-emptive defence before its too late.
Nobody nows political situation for example in 2020. Somebody expected Soviet Union collapse in 1980?

Thats why personally i would really welcome here SM-3 and/or THAAD batteries, regular visits of US aircrafts and ships and some small but valuable and technological advanced units.

Tell me what Russia gains from attacking Poland?
Having the theoretical capability to carry out an attack doesn't signal intent.

[Universal_Soldier]

I'll rephrase to make it interesting. Would an attack become more of a possibility without the foreign support?

Please your question is irrelevant because nobody is attacking anybody.

[dttk0009]

Tell me what Russia gains from attacking Poland?
Having the theoretical capability to carry out an attack doesn't signal intent.
Land. It's a pretty big inciter for invasions.

[hastati]

I don't need any specified reasons today - as i mentioned political situations are changing. What today is impossible tommorow will be just reality. On this moment we have only theories.
History shows it.

Besides - if there is no option on confrontation of Russia and Poland why Russians are so unhappy about foreign units here?

[Eye]

Ok more comments on Russian TV according to Gazeta Wyborcza:
"This is old Poland's anti Russian politics. But American soldiers on Polish soil will increase Russia's defense capabilities: they will be at the range of our tactical missiles. It is good to have americam soldiers concentration points at this range" (seems that there are some armchair generals in TV)
American soldiers on Russian soil would be even better for Russian defence. They would be in range of Russian hand weapon.

[Switek]

Russia has sufficient potential to defeat Poland in conventional warfare but is impossible to effectively occupy it. The other most important question are scale of Russian losses and time to supply them. I guess that Russian victory over Poland would make Russian conventional forces ineffective for certain period...

[dttk0009]

Please your question is irrelevant because nobody is attacking anybody.
My question is why the original article exists in the first place.

[muttbutt]

My question is why the original article exists in the first place.
History, Poland and Russia have centuries of it, lot's of it unpleasent.

[Akril]

Land. It's a pretty big inciter for invasions.

Land? Inciter for Russian invasion? Wut???

[Kutuzov]

Didn't you know, Polish soil is made of gold their potatoes are like diamonds even the vodka is made with potatoes... Who wouldn't hit that? They need alot of firepower to defend their precious resources.

[~~~~]

American soldiers on Russian soil would be even better for Russian defence. They would be in range of Russian hand weapon.

hahaha,
you made my day...

[Universal_Soldier]

Land. It's a pretty big inciter for invasions.

Land? is that how you do you own math? you only do one side of the equation without doing the other? so it wants this land at what cost?

You logic is soo out of place. Where the heck are you from? Russia's only land bother with Poland is in Kaliningrad which is separated from mainland Russia. Any movement of troops toward kaliningrad will be a signal. However, no such thing is happening, in fact Russia is actually doing the opposite. They are removing arms from Kaliningrad (began removing 900 tanks from there recently as part of the new military reforms )
You need to stop playing movies in your head.

[Universal_Soldier]

Russia has sufficient potential to defeat Poland in conventional warfare but is impossible to effectively occupy it.

Occupation is a difficult task for any force even the US will find it difficult to occupy Poland (don't you think?)


The other most important question are scale of Russian losses and time to supply them. I guess that Russian victory over Poland would make Russian conventional forces ineffective for certain period...

Too much hypotheticals here.....bottom line is that nobody is attacking Poland. Poland wants US investment that's all. Several billions of US investment in Polish defense and economy was embed in the previous missile defense agreement. Now that it's scrapped, they still want the billions.

[Jack Daniels]

Why in hell would Russia invade Poland? For the unlimited source of potatoes and Polish plumbers?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd8oX5NJt84

[TakeIt]

American soldiers on Russian soil would be even better for Russian defence. They would be in range of Russian hand weapon. It's always better to destroy other country, than your own, or as saying goes "hit two rabbits with one shot". So no - it's better that foreign soldiers stay in Poland. In strategic locations and facilities.

Anyway, this situation pretty much resembles pre-ww2 development of polish external politics. Colonies demands soon?

[KoTeMoRe]

Land. It's a pretty big inciter for invasions.

Do you actually have a map? Take a look. p-)

[Clockwinder]

Umm, might I recommend a few books on why the Russians have coveted and invaded before? Politics of the left (and extreme right) dictate that the masses must be diverted from their domestic misery and misfortune by real or imagined threats. I guess you haven't seen or read about the recent events in Georgia?

[KoTeMoRe]

Umm, might I recommend a few books on why the Russians have coveted and invaded before? Politics of the left (and extreme right) dictate that the masses must be diverted from their domestic misery and misfortune by real or imagined threats. I guess you haven't seen or read about the recent events in Georgia?


Cough...yeah like, you know where I come from right? Any idea about my age? My background? I mean Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Lets have a more rational debate.

1. Russia has invaded historically through alliances and for "bottom down purposes". The last time around the 1830's it did so to keep Poland under its rule as an already acquired entity.

2.On the other hand, the USSR (that wasn't the USSR at the time) was on a revolutionnary "crusade" and counter attack in the midst of a Civil War and foreign agression. In both cases it wasn't for "land".

3. Regarding WW2, the USSR tried and failed to win enough time to prepare for an imminent agression from the 3rd Reich. Was it a good move? No, is it comparable to current Russia? Surely not.

[TheKorean]

So is Russia like...the new Germany for the Poles?

[zg18]

Umm, might I recommend a few books on why the Russians have coveted and invaded before? Politics of the left (and extreme right) dictate that the masses must be diverted from their domestic misery and misfortune by real or imagined threats. I guess you haven't seen or read about the recent events in Georgia?

If you really read some history books, the invasions were working in both directions, wars between Russia and Poland were pure power game ,and that game was ultimately lost by the Poles after "Deluge" in the half of 17th century. Now it's the same thing just different methods and unequal scale.

[widi243]

So is Russia like...the new Germany for the Poles?
Wrong question. Russia always was a threat for Poland. We fought many wars during ages so I don't understand Your question. And now threat form Russia are only stiupid comments on MP net.
And only imaginable war is a flamewar between Russia Strong!!! crew and Polish forumers about history topics.p-)

[dttk0009]

Land? is that how you do you own math? you only do one side of the equation without doing the other? so it wants this land at what cost?

You logic is soo out of place. Where the heck are you from? Russia's only land bother with Poland is in Kaliningrad which is separated from mainland Russia. Any movement of troops toward kaliningrad will be a signal. However, no such thing is happening, in fact Russia is actually doing the opposite. They are removing arms from Kaliningrad (began removing 900 tanks from there recently as part of the new military reforms )
You need to stop playing movies in your head.

Are you claiming that land-grab as a reason for invasion is facetious? My questions were theoretical, which I thought was obvious, anyway. Assuming Poland had no support from any of the powers mentioned earlier, would you assume the cost of an invasion to be too high for Russia?
My initial question was if an invasion of Poland was still a widespread belief. You seem to sit very firmly on the thought that the idea is so absurd that even hypothetical discussions are nonsensical and pointless, yet here in the real world Poland is always asking for more defense and help for the sake of her Russian neighbor (and they get it). Why?

[hidayatnw]

It is like that Poland just want to milk US' money. Do Campaign everywhere "Russia threat us, please come to us , please build our defence system with your money, please send your army here...
and then if 100k US army comes , Poland get economic benefit, because 100k need bread, cheese and alcoholic stuff, Poland can save their military budget and just say to US: hey, you, you keep our country secure..

[Bathinus]

Why in hell would Russia invade Poland? For the unlimited source of potatoes and Polish plumbers?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd8oX5NJt84


lmao pwned

[Universal_Soldier]

Are you claiming that land-grab as a reason for invasion is facetious? My questions were theoretical, which I thought was obvious, anyway. Assuming Poland had no support from any of the powers mentioned earlier, would you assume the cost of an invasion to be too high for Russia?
My initial question was if an invasion of Poland was still a widespread belief. You seem to sit very firmly on the thought that the idea is so absurd that even hypothetical discussions are nonsensical and pointless, yet here in the real world Poland is always asking for more defense and help for the sake of her Russian neighbor (and they get it). Why?

You can't be that thick. Why are trying to exclude the obvious possibility that Poland is NATO country and will likely get help from them. not to mention the Economic fallout for Russia following such actions. USSR was pretty much self sufficient, Russia runs a market Economy can't stand alone. So please stop playing movies in your head and start being realistic. you are embarrassing yourself.

[dttk0009]

You can't be that thick. Why are trying to exclude the obvious possibility that Poland is NATO country and will likely get help from them. not to mention the Economic fallout for Russia following such actions. USSR was pretty much self sufficient, Russia runs a market Economy can't stand alone. So please stop playing movies in your head and start being realistic. you are embarrassing yourself.

I guess the word 'assume' escaped you. Why are you taking a debate about hypothetical situations so personal? Chill out :)

[CPL Trevoga]

BTW, Sikorsky is an immigrant from England, he's not even real Polyak. This guy would be funny, if another immigrant from New York did not start a real war in Ossetia.

[Hast2]

Well, Poland gets money, U.S get new base, everyone is happy. But Poland's government looks quite pathetic, that's the only problem i see.p-) Poles should be ashamed. Even Baltic states aren't so loud about "OMG Russian INVASION, US pay us!!!... err... give us troops!!!"

P.S Oh, and after repeating "Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion, Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion,Russian Invasion", i'm actually starting to believe it, i swear! not.

[Switek]

...Too much hypotheticals here.....


Agree! In this whole thread beginning with wrongly translated/misunderstand/interpreted Sikorsky's words.

I suggest let's go drink vodka...

[zapatero]

It's 8.00 in the morning Switek...

[Switek]

Professionals are always ready, always on duty!

Stand at ease!


p-)

[Stormz_STA]

BTW, Sikorsky is an immigrant from England

He's not. He was born in Poland and went to the UK when he was 18 or 19 years old. He had to stay there because martial law was imposed in Poland. Sikorski studied there and then started working for newspapers. So no, he's not an immigrnt form the UK.


he's not even real Polyak.

Polyak? Is that some russian ethnic slur, you dumbass?

[Switek]

...
Polyak? Is that some russian ethnic slur, you dumbass?


Polsky Pan is, IMHO, worse... ;)

Jesus why so many people here switched off their intellect and criticis and are emotionally driven? We even are not sure what exactly was said by Polish FM.

Seems that Poland haters need any not confirmed info to satisfy their disordered needs.

[Mousepad]

Polyak? Is that some russian ethnic slur, you dumbass?

"Polyak" is normal word for a "guy from Poland" nothing more
"Polka" - "girl from Poland"

slur would be "Pshek" (from a lot of (sh) (ch) sounds in Polish speech)

[Timmy!]

Polyak? Is that some russian ethnic slur, you dumbass?
It's absolutely not a slur. As many here call Russians as "russkies", because it sounds similar to "русский". You call yourselves as "polaks", don't you?

As Mousepad said, start searching for your sabre if someone called you as "pshek", but not "poliak" (which just means "Pole" in Russian and probably in most of Slavic languages).

[Afro-European]

Poland asks U.S. to protect it from Russia

A thaw in Russian-Polish relations made possible by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's visit to Poland in September may reverse into a new round of confrontation.
During his visit to Washington, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski asked the United States to deploy troops in Poland to protect it against potential Russian aggression.
"If you can still afford it, we need some strategic reassurance," Sikorski said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
Poland was alarmed by the Russian-Belarusian West 2009 war games involving 13,000 servicemen held in Belarus and Russia's Kaliningrad Region near the Polish border. The Polish media reported this week that the war games were held mostly to train in offensive operations spearheaded against Poland and involved a nuclear strike, the storming of beaches and an attack on a gas pipeline.
According to a source in the Russian Defense Ministry, the West 2009 exercise was held on a much smaller scale than the Soviet Union's West 1981, which involved ten times as many troops. It stipulated training to repel an attack on Russia and Belarus and had nothing to do with storming foreign beaches, the source said.
The Kremlin has not officially responded to the Polish accusation, but a high-ranking member of the Russian administration recommended the Kommersant business daily to seek explanations at the Healthcare Ministry and the World Health Organization.
Assistant U.S. Secretary of State Philip Gordon said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington that the United States considered Central and Eastern Europe "a core part of our alliance," but that reassuring the region was not simply, or even mainly, a military question.
A decision to deploy troops in Poland would deal a hard blow at the Russian-American reset policy. President Barack Obama needs to sign a new strategic arms reduction treaty with Russia before he receives his Nobel Peace Prize in December, so the White House is unlikely to do anything now that might worsen relations with Russia.
Former Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller in a comment on Sikorski's appeal said: "It is an attempt to jump into a departing train before December 1, when the European Union will elect a president, which will limit the EU countries' ability to conduct an independent foreign policy."
The deployment of U.S. military bases in Poland would give Warsaw additional arguments and ensure a degree of independence from Brussels, Miller said.

Source: Kommersant, Vedomosti, Novye Izvestia

[peter.pl]

You call yourselves as "polaks", don't you?
When we are talking in English we call ourselves as "Poles"
When we are talking in Polish we call ourselves as "Polacy"
Sorry but I'm not mixing polish and English...
BTW Sikorski is saying something about that he didn't told that so it stinks....

[Timmy!]

When we are talking in English we call ourselves as "Poles"
When we are talking in Polish we call ourselves as "Polacy"
However, I am yet to see someone to get angry when a word "Russkie" is being used


Sorry but I'm not mixing polish and English...
It is okay, my friend, I forgive you.

[Redbeard]

The simple truth here is: Poland wants America's Money
They are using Russia as a cover for sucking billions off Washington. The US will be foolish to accede.

And that's the main reason behind all the "ruskie hate" politicking made by Poland since it got it's independence.

[Redbeard]

When we are talking in English we call ourselves as "Poles"
When we are talking in Polish we call ourselves as "Polacy"
Sorry but I'm not mixing polish and English...
BTW Sikorski is saying something about that he didn't told that so it stinks....

And we in Serbia when refering to people from Poland, call them "poljaci/poljak", or "polyaci/polyak".

So I see no reason for going all balistic on a simple naming of another nation.

[Jack Daniels]

And that's the main reason behind all the "ruskie hate" politicking made by Poland since it got it's independence.

Second main reason.

[Wojtop]

And that's the main reason behind all the "ruskie hate" politicking made by Poland since it got it's independence.

Oh, so you got a degree in psychology of Polish people? Try to read about history - cause this is the main reason for Polish-Russian tensions. If Serbia was at war with some county every 30 odd years for 2 centuries you wouldn't believe their good intentions even if they show any. And Russia is not showing it - they regularly send some politic messages interfering in Polish internal affairs, they block Polish imports etc etc. They behave like if they owned the whole region while they are just a big gas station.

No offence but you seem to know just as much about Poland-Russia relations as I know about your Balkan mess - close to nothing.

[Timmy!]

And Russia is not showing it - they regularly send some politic messages interfering in Polish internal affairs, they block Polish imports etc etc. They behave like if they owned the whole region while they are just a big gas station.
And, of course, our Polish friends do everything right and are, in principle, saint people. Good old Saint Virgin Poland.

[Flamming_Python]

Russia has sufficient potential to defeat Poland in conventional warfare but is impossible to effectively occupy it. The other most important question are scale of Russian losses and time to supply them. I guess that Russian victory over Poland would make Russian conventional forces ineffective for certain period...

The only way Russia can 'conquer' Eastern Europe is not via conventional warfare or Chechnya/Iraq-style counter-insurgency, but WW3 style. i.e. Mass bio/chemical/nuke attacks that will neutralise the vast majority of Eastern Europe's military and population before they get the chance to engage and bog down Russian forces.

Incidently, this is the only possible way a war between Russia and Poland can ever go; being as it is that NATO and America will be immediately involved. So don't worry; until WW3 Poland is safe :)

[Wojtop]

And, of course, our Polish friends do everything right and are, in principle, saint people. Good old Saint Virgin Poland.

Oh, yes - you on the contrary are knowledgable about Poland. Thank you for your input.

Serious - we managed to develop good relations with all neighbours except for Russia. Russia managed to develop good relations with noone, even Belarus is cautious towards you. Guess whose diplomacy is build on the principle of conflict and domination and whose on the principle of cooperation and partnership, than draw conclusions about who is at fault for bad relations.

[dragonunion]

Russia managed to develop good relations with noone, even Belarus is cautious towards you.
:roll: Expert, think again. Eastern Europe is not the whole world.

[Timmy!]

Guess whose diplomacy is build on the principle of conflict and domination and whose on the principle of cooperation and partnership, than draw conclusions about who is at fault for bad relations.
If you're trying to say, that Polish diplomacy's principles are cooperation and partnership, than I'm sure you're talking about any other direction but Eastern. Cooperation with Russia? Partnership with them? More like constant bitching and whining.

There's a www.inosmi.ru site that has translations of interesting articles about Russia from all over the world, Polish section is one of the most fun to read. Fun as in "circus of freaks" fun sense.

Also :)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3275/motivator3fa6b76d769378.jpg

[Hollis]

Another thread down in flames.......................................

[Hollis]

Statement concerning the misleading press release from the Interfax agency



2009.11.06
The Interfax dispatch of November 5 2009 on the visit to Washington by Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski ascribed to the Minister comments which, in fact, he never made: "We would desire to secure American troops, deployed in our country as a shield against Russian aggression". This appears to be an intentional manipulation. The passage at issue is in the form of a quotation, so there can be no question of it being distorted through an inaccurate interpretation or a lack of journalistic diligence. It would have been easy to check if the quoted statement had ever been made by examining a recording of the conference.
Since the dispatch has evoked - possibly as intended - extensive reactions, I cordially request that a quick and honest retraction of the original report is made.

Piotr Paszkowski
Press Spokesman

Source:

http://www.msz.gov.pl/Statement,concerning,the,misleading,press,release,from,the,Interfax,agency,31266.html


This was asked to be posted by Switek.

I will open the thread, Keep it Civil...........

[daily666]

Interfax apologizes to Foreign Minister

Russia's Interfax news agency has apologized to Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski for improperly citing the politician regarding alleged “Russian aggression.”

“It was a reporter's mistake,” reads the Interfax statement, the incorrect citation “was the result of a reporter's poor work.”

The mix-up began last Thursday when Interfax released a report that Sikorski, during his visit to Washington DC a few days earlier, called for US arms to be placed in Poland “to protect against Russian aggression.”

Poland's Foreign Ministry immediately denied that Sikorski uttered the statement, calling the press release “intentional manipulation” and demanded a verification of facts. Sikorski's 'statement', as translated by Interfax, drew immediate backlash from commentators in Russian media.

“We are pleased that our intervention was effective and that Interfax has corrected a mistake by their reporter which has prompted such unnecessary reactions,” said Piotr Paszkowski, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Monday afternoon after receiving Interfax's official apology. (mmj)


http://thenews.pl/international/artykul119656_interfax-apologizes-to-foreign-minister.html

Well, it's been said here before. Russian Press Agency Interfax got lost in translation.

[Switek]

I hope that this incident will learn all hot heads here to think twice before they post something ...

[Jack Daniels]

I hope that this incident will learn all hot heads here to think twice before they post something ...

FOX news and the others do this kind of crap everyday, the only thing they get for it is high ratings, so i doubt anyone is going to 'think twice' next time.
BS is profitable.

[Kangars]

There's a www.inosmi.ru (http://www.inosmi.ru) site that has translations of interesting articles about Russia from all over the world, Polish section is one of the most fun to read. Fun as in "circus of freaks" fun sense.



I am sorry but http://inoforum.ru/ is much better at covering Polish newspapers and forums. Polish section is better than any comedy show on TV.
Wonder if there is a site in polish dedicated to translations of foreign articles and forums about Poland?

[Switek]

...
There's a www.inosmi.ru (http://www.inosmi.ru) site that has translations of interesting articles about Russia from all over the world, Polish section is one of the most fun to read. Fun as in "circus of freaks" fun sense. ...


I am sorry but http://inoforum.ru/ is much better at covering Polish newspapers and forums. Polish section is better than any comedy show on TV.
Wonder if there is a site in polish dedicated to translations of foreign articles and forums about Poland?


An you boys buy any kind of not confirmed crap as obvious truth? Funny or miserable I'd rather recommend to implement criticism instead. :roll:

[Kangars]

An you boys buy any kind of not confirmed crap as obvious truth? Funny or miserable I'd rather recommend to implement criticism instead. :roll:

What? These are translations from : Przegląd Prawosławny
Polityka.pl
Przewodnik Katolicki
Przekroj
Gazeta.pl
wSzczecinie.pl
rp.pl
Nezalezna.pl
Polish news
Salon24
Polska (The Times)
Gazeta Wyborcza
Wprost 24
Studio Opinii
Redakcja.pl
Dziennik
Newsweek.pl
Wirtualna Polska
Rzeczpospolita

It is easy to confirm the correctness of translation by checking the source. The mistakes are discussed sometimes in the comments section. But mainly it is enormous fun from pure rusofobia on a genetic level.

[Switek]

What? These are translations from : Przegląd Prawosławny
Polityka.pl
Przewodnik Katolicki
Przekroj
Gazeta.pl
wSzczecinie.pl
rp.pl
Nezalezna.pl
Polish news
Salon24
Polska (The Times)
Gazeta Wyborcza
Wprost 24
Studio Opinii
Redakcja.pl
Dziennik
Newsweek.pl
Wirtualna Polska
Rzeczpospolita

It is easy to confirm the correctness of translation by checking the source. The mistakes are discussed sometimes in the comments section. But mainly it is enormous fun from pure rusofobia on a genetic level.

Once again, even you take it as Russophobia, it's good to know what are roots of that.

Even in good titles you can sometimes find obvious crap. I guess that not all articles are translated and published in Russian?

[Kangars]

Once again, even you take it as Russophobia, it's good to know what are roots of that.

Even in good titles you can sometimes find obvious crap. I guess that not all articles are translated and published in Russian?

Of course not everything translated. There was a civilized discussion with russian speaking student from Poland. He was challenged to find at least neutral article in Polish mainstream press about Russia, he failed. Care to help him? (guess ratio will be 100:1 :))
My point is at least russian internet community trying to research foreign tends, oppinions. I repeat my previos question, do you have internet resorce dedicated to translation of russian or english forums to polish language? Or your public boils in steriotipes and prejustises and historic pain.

[Wojtop]

What a load of crap. Go to gazeta.pl and type Rosja in the search machine. First ten articles are perfectly balanced.Sure there are some anti-putinist articles but they make a small minority. Note that Putin has also written an article for this newspaper, is he anti-russian as well?

Anyway, press is just press and it lives off sales. What matters is what diplomats and politicians say and do. As on high level cooperation was limited - when our former president decided to try to make a breakthrough and visited Russia in order to improve relations he was humiliated by Putin who broke all diplomatic rules. Major Polish politicians stay away from Russia since then. In this situation Poland had started its eastern strategy aimed at low-level cooperation between both countries. Getting Polish visa in Russia was the cheapest, fastest and easiest way to get to EU. Now it still is the easiest way to get to Schengen zone. Is that russophobia for you?

[Eye]

. I repeat my previos question, do you have internet resorce dedicated to translation of russian or english forums to polish language?
I didn't meet with such website. I have heard in radio some cyclical correspondences from Russia connected with Russian press review. You can find some translations from Russian press, but it have to be some big BS. Something like - "Poland started WWII" etc. Ususally we are not so eager for Russian newspapers.

[~~~~]

There's a www.inosmi.ru site that has translations of interesting articles about Russia from all over the world, Polish section is one of the most fun to read. Fun as in "circus of freaks" fun sense.

Also :)


I ve read the comments under one of the articles there

http://www.inosmi.ru/india/20091111/156523173.html

and they also seem pure comedy to me. ignorance at its best. so you know it goes both ways.

[Switek]

I repeat my previos question, do you have internet resorce dedicated to translation of russian or english forums to polish language?

No clue. Probably not. Russia is is out of main stream of public interests.


Or your public boils in steriotipes and prejustises and historic pain.

Seems that Wojtop explain it in some extent. There's full of criticism toward putinism in Russia in respected media but except some extremist ones I can't name them as biased. The key of criticism is not what Putin and his fellowship is going to achieve but the methods used to. The other side of the coin is that there is not political will to warm our relations. In this sense for different political purposes an image of Poles or Russians as enemies serves current internal policies in both countries.

In fact in Russia, your public boils in stereotypes and prejudices and historic complexes is the same true like your statement. p-)