WW II German uniforms

[loonykev]

Hi, I've just joined and was wondering if anyone here has an interest in this subject?

[Evolv5]

They were designed by Hugo Boss.

[jontew]

They were produced by Hugo Boss, not designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Involvement_in_World_War_II

[LineDoggie]

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[gaijinsamurai]

Here are a couple of links where you can learn more about the different uniforms, equipment, insignia, etc.....

http://www.atthefront.com/

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php



Also, you can pm Macs......

[loonykev]

Try:
Equipment & Gear
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7


Reenactment & Airsoft
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Social Group, Militaria Discusssions
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/group.php?groupid=23


and here is a LONG running thread http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4558407#post4558407


Any speciality among Wehrmacht uniforms? LW, WSS, Heer?


Hi, I was trying to find a photo to show a sniper's badge on a uniform, the cloth badge worn on the upper right sleeve, I am trying to make a uniform to fit on a mannequin for display purposes and have a spare sniper's badge (repro) and I just want to make sure that the badge is in the right position.

[Connaught Ranger]

Hi, I was trying to find a photo to show a sniper's badge on a uniform, the cloth badge worn on the upper right sleeve, I am trying to make a uniform to fit on a mannequin for display purposes and have a spare sniper's badge (repro) and I just want to make sure that the badge is in the right position.


Look at the picture of the dork in WWII Reenactors @ CAF Airshow thread

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4498125&postcount=19

Do not make the same mistake of over decorating your dummy. rofl

[loonykev]

Look at the picture of the dork in WWII Reenactors @ CAF Airshow thread

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4498125&postcount=19

Do not make the same mistake of over decorating your dummy. rofl

Hi, Thanks for that, the sniper's badge is the one I have, but is it in the correct position, I read somewhere that it should be worn on the right upper sleeve, but I haven't been able to find a pic of a genuine one. That guy in the pic you posted is definitely short of a few screws. Maybe he should change his name to Tannenbaum. :)

[Evolv5]

They were produced by Hugo Boss, not designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Involvement_in_World_War_II

Don't go into the details! p-)

Thanks for making that clear!

[LineDoggie]

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[gaijinsamurai]

Yeah, that guy was pretty funny. My old reenactment group would laugh him out at the first formation.

[gaijinsamurai]

By the way, I don't recognize the shield on his left arm. I know it's not one of the common ones (Krimea, Demyansk, Narvik, Cholm, Kuban). Coulp it be "Lapland"? Anyone know?

[LineDoggie]

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[gaijinsamurai]

Perhaps it's just some fake "fantasy" badge, and the guy is too much of a dumbarse to know it.

[therifleman]

I love german uniforms. Heres one of my originals made out of Italian cloth. Late war EM.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/th_F-037.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/?action=view&current=F-037.jpg)

[F16]

I love german uniforms. Heres one of my originals made out of Italian cloth. Late war EM.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/th_F-037.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/?action=view&current=F-037.jpg)
This man was an officer, probably lieutenant, or captain, and he was from infantry, you can even find out the division where he served. But it's way too long...
One thing more, he was from the Wehrmacht, not the SS.
P.S. He was from the 56. I.D.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenDivisionen/56ID-1.jpg

[phoenixbird6]

This man was an officer, probably lieutenant, or captain, and he was from infantry, you can even find out the division where he served. But it's way too long...
One thing more, he was from the Wehrmacht, not the SS.
P.S. He was from the 56. I.D.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenDivisionen/56ID-1.jpg

The jacket is that of an oberfeldwebel (senior sergeant). The tresse around the collar is the distinction of an NCO.

[loonykev]

Does anyone have an original photo of a sniper badge fitted to a tunic? AFAIK, it should be on the upper sleeve, between the shoulder and the elbow, but the crazy guy at the CAF show has his between the cuff and the elbow, any ideas on the correct position would be appreciated.

[Jarhead]

I love german uniforms. Heres one of my originals made out of Italian cloth. Late war EM.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/th_F-037.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/?action=view&current=F-037.jpg)
Hehe small world.
Just saw that tunic on the WAFp-)



One thing more, he was from the Wehrmacht, not the SS.
P.S. He was from the 56. I.D.

Thats the Demjansk-shield on the left sleeve.

[quinsen]

Perhaps it's just some fake "fantasy" badge, and the guy is too much of a dumbarse to know it.
Exactly. This is a so called "Stalingradschild", which never existed. These shields were made after the war for douches who'd pay money for it - like him.

[gaijinsamurai]

Hahaha!! In Paul Carrel's book "Stalingrad", I believe there is a pic of the proposed shield, as designed by Paulus, should the defenders break out of their doomed encirclement or be rescued.
Of course, we know that when Paulus and the 6th Army surrendered, there was no way Hitler was going to allow anything like that.....

[Connaught Ranger]

Hahaha!! In Paul Carrel's book "Stalingrad", I believe there is a pic of the proposed shield, as designed by Paulus, should the defenders break out of their doomed encirclement or be rescued.
Of course, we know that when Paulus and the 6th Army surrendered, there was no way Hitler was going to allow anything like that.....

From:-A COLLECTOR'S GUIDE TO:

WORLD WAR 2 GERMAN MEDALS AND POLITICAL AWARDS

by Chris Ailsby.

ISBN 0-7818-0225-3

Chapter 9. ARM SHIELDS COMMON TO ALL SERVICES.

Page 112
STALINGRAD SHIELD: FIRST PROTOTYPE*****

Known Makers

On 2.10.42 Hitler ordered that a design should be prepared for a shield for the defenders of Stalingrad.

Ernst Eigner, a war artist with Propaganda Company 637, was instructed to produce the artwork, Hitler's wishes having been passed on to the press relations department who had authorised the design to be prepared.
This design took the form of a shield with pointed bottom and a closed winged eagle on the top without a swastika.

The centre had a silo, amidst the ruins of Stalingrad. These silos, which were landmarks in Stalingrad, had been the scene of many bitter encounters.

Facing it, in profile, was a dead German Infantryman with a crown of barbed wire around his helmet.

Across the shield at the top was a box with the word "STALINGRAD" in capital letters.

The High Command decided that this design was too morbid for consideration and turned it down.

Ernest Eigner did not get another opportunity of submitting another design, as he himself was killed the following month at Stalingrad.

Perhaps his design was a premonition of his own future fate.


STALINGRAD SHIELD: SECOND PROTOTYPE*****

Known Makers

Feldmarschall von Palus designed this shield and, again, it had a pointed bottom. The top was flat with a box in which was the word "STALINGRAD"
in capitals.

Surmounting this was a closed winged eagle without a swastika.

The central motif of the shield was that of the silo with the ruins of Stalingrad.

Beneath this design there was a stylized river, with the word "WOLGA" on it.

The field had had a background made up of snow and clouds.

The similarity of both these designs gives rise to the possibility that there must have been some collusion or, if not, that von Paulus had redesigned Eigner's work into a more acceptable design.

Connaught Ranger.

[F16]

Thats the Demjansk-shield on the left sleeve.

you are right!

[F16]

Of course, we know that when Paulus and the 6th Army surrendered
They didn't surrender. They rejected to give up, and fought until the end.
Actually the Soviet High Command planned much more big operation than just the encirclement of the 6th Army, they wanted to close also the Manstein's troops, they were deployed in North Caucasus. But they needed much more forces to finish the 6th Army, and it wasn't possible anymore to encirle Manstein.

[tluassa]

They didn't surrender. They rejected to give up, and fought until the end.
Actually the Soviet High Command planned much more big operation than just the encirclement of the 6th Army, they wanted to close also the Manstein's troops, they were deployed in North Caucasus. But they needed much more forces to finish the 6th Army, and it wasn't possible anymore to encirle Manstein.

Is this mean to be ironic or is that really your opinion ? Are you aware that Paulus later decided to make Propaganda for the Soviets ? That 90.000 soldiers of the 6th Army surrendered ? (only 6000 of them returned to Germany though, most died shortly after beeing taken prisoner from malnutrition and weakness through cold and hunger. )

[Connaught Ranger]

They didn't surrender. They rejected to give up, and fought until the end.
Actually the Soviet High Command planned much more big operation than just the encirclement of the 6th Army, they wanted to close also the Manstein's troops, they were deployed in North Caucasus. But they needed much more forces to finish the 6th Army, and it wasn't possible anymore to encirle Manstein.

History Revisionism at its best. rofl


Hitler promoted Friedrich Paulus to Generalfeldmarschall on January 30, 1943, (the 10th anniversary of Hitler coming to power). Since no German Field Marshal had ever been taken prisoner, Hitler assumed that Paulus would fight on or take his own life. Nevertheless, when Soviet forces closed in on Paulus' headquarters in the ruined GUM department store the next day, Paulus surrendered. The remnants of the German forces in Stalingrad surrendered on February 2; 91,000 tired, ill, and starving Germans were taken captive. To the delight of the Soviet forces and the dismay of the Third Reich, the prisoners included 22 generals. Hitler was furious at the Field Marshal’s surrender and confided that "Paulus stood at the doorstep of eternal glory but made an about-face."

According to the German documentary film Stalingrad, over 11,000 German and Axis soldiers refused to lay down their arms at the official surrender, seemingly believing that fighting to the death was better than what seemed like a slow end in Soviet prisoner of war camp. These forces continued to resist until early March 1943, hiding in cellars and sewers of the city with their numbers being diminished at the same time by Soviet forces clearing the city of remaining enemy resistance. By March, what remained of these forces were small and isolated pockets of resistance that surrendered. According to Soviet intelligence documents shown in the documentary, 2,418 of the men were killed, and 8,646 were captured.Now, for the slow of learning, that means he raised white flags, signed surrender documents, ordered his men to lay down their arms, or give up their arms to the enemy and then march off into captivity (or in Von P case be driven off) feeling sad at having been defeated.

The fact that a few die-hards held out for a couple or three weeks longer is not relevant to the fact that the majority surrendered when ordered to do so.

Connaught Ranger.

[gaijinsamurai]

They didn't surrender. They rejected to give up, and fought until the end.
Actually the Soviet High Command planned much more big operation than just the encirclement of the 6th Army, they wanted to close also the Manstein's troops, they were deployed in North Caucasus. But they needed much more forces to finish the 6th Army, and it wasn't possible anymore to encirle Manstein.

Hahaha!!
Who do you get your information from?
Herr Goebel's office?

[gaijinsamurai]

Great info, Connaught Ranger. Thanks!

[F16]

Is this mean to be ironic or is that really your opinion ? Are you aware that Paulus later decided to make Propaganda for the Soviets ? That 90.000 soldiers of the 6th Army surrendered ? (only 6000 of them returned to Germany though, most died shortly after beeing taken prisoner from malnutrition and weakness through cold and hunger. )

The Soviets proposed Paulus to give up and surrender his forces, Paulus rejected this. By keeping on fighting the Soviets, Paulus gave most precious thing in the war, TIME, for Manstein's troops to get away until it's too late. Actually he saved the Manstein's troops. The Soviets planned to strike quickly toward Rostow and to cut the road for German troops stationed in North Caucasus (Manstein's Army) to get away. That operation was codenamed "Big Saturn"

But the 6th Army was a hard one, and a lot of troops were busy fighting with the 6th army and that way they couldn't take part in the planned assault on Rostow.

As for 90.000 troops, it's true they surrendered, because they had no ammo anymore to fire, they had no bread anymore to eat and keep themselves healthy, they were out of ammo, out of food, many without communication, without fuel, without air support, without anything, what were they to do in such a situation?

One more thing, the 6th army was between 250 to 320 000 troops, most of them died while fighting to give their comrades who weren't yet encircled time to get out of the trap.


I hope you now can understand what I am talking about, by the way, there are some useful books in German that can be quite helpful to clarify some issues concering the fate of the 6th army.

[T.S.C.Plage]

If you don't want to get an infraction you should add an English translation for the last part which by the way is not correct in some parts. Besides that you should mention the titles of the books you want other people to read.

[gaijinsamurai]

F16,
I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the 6th Army displayed incredble valor, and were against overwhelming odds. The fact of the matter is that Hitler, aided by Goering's stupidity, placed them in a no-win situation.

But the fact remains that in the end, the remnants of the 6th Army did in fact , surrender, not-withstanding a few fanatical hold-outs, as Connaught Ranger pointed out.

[F16]

Connaught Ranger

The 6th Army was encircled in November, and you know why, because the Rumanian troops(Dmitresku and Antonionesku Armies) weren't hard enough to sustain the initial Soviet blow, the rumanian troops were tasked to secure the flanks of the 6th Army, while German troops tried to finish the remnants of the Soviet 62 Army defending Stalingrad.

After the 6th army was encircled, they still had enough power to break out, Paulus sent a radio to Berlin requesting approval for breakthrough, Berlin rejected, and time was gone, Soviets hardened their lines daily.

By the way, it was Demjansk Kessel, in short, Germans had a very good experience in supplying encircled army through the air lift, like it was in the case of Demjansk Kessel, though there was only one korps, not army, like in Stalingrad. German troops in Demjansk Kessel were encircled by the Soviets, but it was impossible to eliminate them, Luftwaffe was supplying those encircled with everything they needed and Germans successfully defended themselves and at the end managed even a breakthrough.

Exactly that - the Demjansk Kessel case- sealed the fate of the 6th Army.
Luftwaffe's chief said that he can easily flow in some 800 tonns daily to supply the 6th Army, and everybody in the OKW (German's Headquarters) thought they can repeat the case with Demjansk. In reality Goering was lying, he wasn't able to supply enough ammo, medication, food, fuel and so on. Thereafter the Soviet captured one of the two remained airfields - Gurmak, and it was only Pitomnik airfield still functioning.

In January Soviets proposed Paulus to give up without fighting, there is even a video showing the Soviet messenger going in with capitulation documents, Germans rejected, clear and simple, after that Soviets started a huge artillery barrage, it was about 40 000 howitzers, after that they started to divide the 6th army into many small pieces, and then eliminated those small pieces, all that required a lot of Soviet troops.

By February the Soviets finally managed to get rid of the 6th army, to that time, Manstein successfully retreated to new prepared positions and saved his army from the fate of the 6th army.

P.S.
The encircled 6th army numbered about 340 000 troops, on the November, 19 there were 20 German Divisions, each German Infantry division numbers 17734 troops.

[F16]

F16,
I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the 6th Army displayed incredble valor, and were against overwhelming odds. The fact of the matter is that Hitler, aided by Goering's stupidity, placed them in a no-win situation.


There is something I can't understand until now. To encircle the 6th Army, the Soviet HQ accumulated huge force, about 113 Soviet Infantry Divisions, some tank divisions, a lot of things was going on behind the lines, you can't hige 113 Divisions, even if you want, the terrain around Stalingrad does not help to hide troops, there are no forests.

Every German division, even every company had its own intelligence unit,
I think it's right to assume that there must have been some intelligence troops on division, corps and finally on army level, tasked to supply information about the enemy forces behind the frontline, how the hell all that intelligence troops didn't noticed such a huge soviet troops concentration?

It wasn't 1945, it was autumn 1942, Germans still were fresh, they still possessed enough arial assets to conduct intelligence over the enemy positions.

[F16]

(only 6000 of them returned to Germany though, most died shortly after beeing taken prisoner from malnutrition and weakness through cold and hunger. )

First of all I would like to say that I never researched exactly the fate of the German prisoners from the 6th Army. As far as I know about 7000 of those take prisoners managed to get back to Germany after 1953. Those who didn't managed died from various reasons.

You are right about nutrition. During the war first of all were supplied the Red Army soldiers, they got about 2000 kkl daily, at last were supplied civilian population who wasn't engaged in some kind of work at weapons factory, they got measily 300 kkl, so we can assume that german (or any other) prisoners got even little than 300 kkl daily. Most of them, especially wounded ones, died in the first days after being taken prisoner, another part died during the marsch on the foot to prisoner's lager.

Germans were engaged in construction of buildings after the war, and you know, cause of so many casualties on our side, Germans weren't very popular and the guards had the right to do anything they want with the prisoners, if they made something wrong or didn't obey, or the work on the construction wasn't good enough...

What's more interesting, civilians tried to help German prisoners with food, though they didn't had much of them either.

[Connaught Ranger]

The Soviets proposed Paulus to give up and surrender his forces, Paulus rejected this. By keeping on fighting the Soviets, Paulus gave most precious thing in the war, TIME, for Manstein's troops to get away until it's too late. Actually he saved the Manstein's troops. The Soviets planned to strike quickly toward Rostow and to cut the road for German troops stationed in North Caucasus (Manstein's Army) to get away. That operation was codenamed "Big Saturn"

Yes he did refuse the first Russian proposal, but, accepted the next, so he
and the 6th Army surrendered, this you deny in your previous post.

But the 6th Army was a hard one, and a lot of troops were busy fighting with the 6th army and that way they couldn't take part in the planned assault on Rostow.
This is of no consequence to the surrender of the German Army at Stalingrad.

As for 90.000 troops, it's true they surrendered, because they had no ammo anymore to fire, they had no bread anymore to eat and keep themselves healthy, they were out of ammo, out of food, many without communication, without fuel, without air support, without anything, what were they to do in such a situation?

So now you are agreeing and confirming that they surrendered.

One more thing, the 6th army was between 250 to 320 000 troops, most of them died while fighting to give their comrades who weren't yet encircled time to get out of the trap.

From what point in time do you refer to the strength of the 6th army as 250,00 to 320,000; a week, two weeks, a month, three months or more before the surrender date?

91,000 + 11,000 = 102,000 Germans at the time of the surrender so looking at your figures you are claiming between 147,000 (+ or -) to 218,000 (+ or -) were killed holding the kessel open, I think that is not correct and you are just throwing figures out in the hopes of convincing us of the great job done by these men in holding back the Soviets.


I hope you now can understand what I am talking about, by the way, there are some useful books in German that can be quite helpful to clarify some issues concering the fate of the 6th army.

We know very well the fate of the 6th Army (and other German units) they received the just rewards of a defeated invader. But, its only fair to point out after the surrender Russian military units gave a good part of their food allowance not only to the remaining starving civilian inhabitants of Stalingrad but also to POW's as Stalin wanted to keep as many a live as possible for propaganda purposes.

Connaught Ranger.

[Connaught Ranger]

Connaught Ranger

The 6th Army was encircled in November, and you know why, because the Rumanian troops(Dmitresku and Antonionesku Armies) weren't hard enough to sustain the initial Soviet blow, the rumanian troops were tasked to secure the flanks of the 6th Army, while German troops tried to finish the remnants of the Soviet 62 Army defending Stalingrad.

After the 6th army was encircled, they still had enough power to break out, Paulus sent a radio to Berlin requesting approval for breakthrough, Berlin rejected, and time was gone, Soviets hardened their lines daily.

By the way, it was Demjansk Kessel, in short, Germans had a very good experience in supplying encircled army through the air lift, like it was in the case of Demjansk Kessel, though there was only one korps, not army, like in Stalingrad. German troops in Demjansk Kessel were encircled by the Soviets, but it was impossible to eliminate them, Luftwaffe was supplying those encircled with everything they needed and Germans successfully defended themselves and at the end managed even a breakthrough.

Exactly that - the Demjansk Kessel case- sealed the fate of the 6th Army.
Luftwaffe's chief said that he can easily flow in some 800 tonns daily to supply the 6th Army, and everybody in the OKW (German's Headquarters) thought they can repeat the case with Demjansk. In reality Goering was lying, he wasn't able to supply enough ammo, medication, food, fuel and so on. Thereafter the Soviet captured one of the two remained airfields - Gurmak, and it was only Pitomnik airfield still functioning.

In January Soviets proposed Paulus to give up without fighting, there is even a video showing the Soviet messenger going in with capitulation documents, Germans rejected, clear and simple, after that Soviets started a huge artillery barrage, it was about 40 000 howitzers, after that they started to divide the 6th army into many small pieces, and then eliminated those small pieces, all that required a lot of Soviet troops.

By February the Soviets finally managed to get rid of the 6th army, to that time, Manstein successfully retreated to new prepared positions and saved his army from the fate of the 6th army.

P.S.
The encircled 6th army numbered about 340 000 troops, on the November, 19 there were 20 German Divisions, each German Infantry division numbers 17734 troops.

If the above is in reference to my location as being in Transylvania perhaps its only fair to tell you I am NOT Romanian.rofl

The Rumanians, Hungarians, and Germans all played a part in their own downfall at Stalingrad, The little corporal back in Berlin was always interfering with the planning and campaigning of his military, against all advice given to him by his military staff.

Pity he did not heed the history lesson handed down to another European who went campaigning in past history, the little Corsican known as Napoleon Bonaparte.

Connaught Ranger

[F16]

We know very well the fate of the 6th Army (and other German units).


There is no sense in arguing. I expressed clearly my point of view, if you have some hard facts, it would be great to keep the conversation going.

About numbers, Germans were constantly moving in and out divisions from one army to another, from one corps to another, even from one Group of Armies (Heeresgruppe) to another. So one corps may have had 3 division in May, and may have had 6 divisions in September. So if you have to find out the exact number of troops in the 6th army, it makes sense to take the numbers of November 42. As for November 42, there were about 20 German fully staffed infantry divisions under the 6th army command.
German infantry division of the 1 Wave (1. Welle) numbers 17773 troops.

Try to multiply that to 20 and you will find out how many germans were in the encirclement. I want to point out that it's only Germans, however there were also some allied troops - rumanians, italians, maybe some hungarians, there were also a lot of russian support-troops - Hilfswillige- Hiwis.

Some 40 thousand germans were airlifted out of the encirclement, mostly wounded and highly capable officers.

[Connaught Ranger]

There is no sense in arguing. I expressed clearly my point of view, if you have some hard facts, it would be great to keep the conversation going.

About numbers, Germans were constantly moving in and out divisions from one army to another, from one corps to another, even from one Group of Armies (Heeresgruppe) to another. So one corps may have had 3 division in May, and may have had 6 divisions in September. So if you have to find out the exact number of troops in the 6th army, it makes sense to take the numbers of November 42. As for November 42, there were about 40 German fully staffed infantry divisions under the 6th army command.
German infantry division of the 1 Wave (1. Welle) numbers 17773 troops.

Try to multiply that to 40 and you will find out how many germans were in the encirclement. I want to point out that it's only Germans, however there were also some allied troops - rumanians, italians, maybe some hungarians, there were also a lot of russian support-troops - Hilfswillige- Hiwis.

Some 40 thousand germans were airlifted out of the encirclement, mostly wounded and highly capable officers.

Who is arguing? that was resolved many posts back, after you stated the 6th Army did NOT surrender, I and others showed you posted in error.

As for hard facts you have some neck asking others to post what you are not willing to do, and it was also pointed out your numbers are meaningless unless you can attach a point in time, otherwise they are irrelevant.

It is not up to me to do your homework for you, the onus is on the person making the claims to back up his claims, you by throwing the figures


250 to 320 000 troops

(which in itself has a difference of 70,000 ) indicates you have no factual sources, and even more so when you do not attach a time frame with regards when the 250,000 to 320,00 were in service in Stalingrad.

Connaught Ranger.

[James]

This sounds very familiar... A month or so ago there was a poster in a thread called Blood and Iron who kept trying to convince everyone else that Germany had the best army in WWII...

[quinsen]

Depends on what we understand as best. Equipped, trained, motivated, ... or the sum of it. This is surely not about win or lose.

[Gammelpreusse]

This sounds very familiar... A month or so ago there was a poster in a thread called Blood and Iron who kept trying to convince everyone else that Germany had the best army in WWII...

Exchange "convince" with "argued", and you get more close. That is, until some members went wild with offenses and nationalistic bickering and then acting all bewildered when the responses dropped to comparable levels.

Still, interesting reading here.

[F16]

By the way, there is a book (http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/390247517X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-page)exactly about that issue. The book was written by israeli author. In the book the author states that the Germany army possessed only 10 tank divisions at the beginning of the ww2, and only a dozen of motorized infantry divisions, the rest 80 percent or more was moving on foot. It clarifies why German Army was so successful, professional, experienced and why they were able to crush enemies which outnumbered them in every aspects by far.

[Connaught Ranger]

By the way, there is a book (http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/390247517X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-page)exactly about that issue. The book was written by israeli author. In the book the author states that the Germany army possessed only 10 tank divisions at the beginning of the ww2, and only a dozen of motorized infantry divisions, the rest 80 percent or more was moving on foot. It clarifies why German Army was so successful, professional, experienced and why they were able to crush enemies which outnumbered them in every aspects by far.

And yet, they still lost the war. . . woot woot woot rofl rofl rofl woot wootwoot

1. why not write the source instead of posting a link. :roll:

Author: Martin van Creveld. *

Title:- "Kampf-kraft"

ISBN:- 978-3-902475-17-6

2. you also forgot that most transportation was horse drawn.

3. Forget the rise and fall of the Nazi this thread is about uniforms and not revisionism.

* = Martin Levi van Creveld (born 5 March 1946) is an Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) military historian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history) and theorist.
Van Creveld was born in the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands) in the city of Rotterdam, but has lived in Israel since shortly after his birth. He holds degrees from the London School of Economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_School_of_Economics) and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_of_Jerusalem), where he has been on the faculty since 1971. He is the author of seventeen books on military history and strategy, of which Command in War (1985), Supplying War: Logistics from Wallenstein to Patton (1977, 2nd edition 2004), The Transformation of War (1991), The Sword and the Olive (1998) and The Rise and Decline of the State (1999) are among the best known. Van Creveld has lectured or taught at virtually every strategic institute, military or civilian, in the Western world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world), including the U.S. Naval War College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_War_College), most recently in December, 1999 and January, 2000.

Connaught Ranger.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

Guys, if you have any questions about german ww2 stuff, feel free to ask. Same with US GI ww2 by the way!


Cheers

[Chairborne Ranger]

Does anyone have an original photo of a sniper badge fitted to a tunic? AFAIK, it should be on the upper sleeve, between the shoulder and the elbow, but the crazy guy at the CAF show has his between the cuff and the elbow, any ideas on the correct position would be appreciated.


There are no known photos of the sniper badge in actual use. I seem to recall seeing a image of an original soldbuch (perhaps on the Axis History Forum (http://forum.axishistory.com/)) showing that the original bearer of that book had been awarded the sniper badge, but like I said, an actual wartime photo has yet to surface.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

There are photographs of sniper badges in wear, I have two myself (digital) but I can't find them... I'll post them when I come across them.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/war_badges/heer/sniper.htm

[Chairborne Ranger]

Please do, I look forward to seeing them. :)

[Connaught Ranger]

There are no known photos of the sniper badge in actual use. I seem to recall seeing a image of an original soldbuch (perhaps on the Axis History Forum (http://forum.axishistory.com/)) showing that the original bearer of that book had been awarded the sniper badge, but like I said, an actual wartime photo has yet to surface.

There are no known photos of the sniper badge in actual use as yet! Probably for very good reason, snipers, were treated very badly when captured by most forces, no sense in advertising your trade.

[bulletmouse]

They were produced by Hugo Boss, not designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Involvement_in_World_War_II


hugo boss----lol

[Walls]

They were designed by Hugo Boss.

waffe SS yeah but no the another Branches

Taken from Osprey Osprey Publishing

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[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

waffe SS yeah but no the another Branches

Taken from Osprey Osprey Publishing

... Maybe read the thread before posting? :bash:

And... DONT EVER use Osprey as a source!!!

[bulletmouse]

can anybody id this german ww2 uniform ? thx !

http://www.v-like-vintage.net/en/photo~details/88948~photo~noName/

:hug:

[Jarhead]

M 36 Feldbluse with early shoulder-boards.
Rank: Feldwebel.

[bulletmouse]

M 36 Feldbluse with early shoulder-boards.
Rank: Feldwebel.

he he very fast ! thx !

[owner_bsp]

I do not speak German but I am a language professional and currently trying to ponder into some language finesses. Can anyone help me with discovering if these two German verbs have the same origin?

Thanks a million

[owner_bsp]

I do not speak German but I am a language professional and currently trying to ponder into some language finesses. Can anyone help me with discovering if these two German verbs have the same origin? Thanks a million

[gaijinsamurai]

...

And... DONT EVER use Osprey as a source!!!

I think a lot depends on the particular author. Some Osprey titles are very good sources, written by distinguished and competent historians with years of experience on the subject matter.

Like anything, it's a good idea to have multiple sources of info, to cross-reference for errors and fill in gaps where some books are void.

If I'm doing "serious" (amateur) study on a particular campaign or battle, such as Bagration, Tarawa, or Monte Cassino, I like to use a minimum of three or four books, or even more if they are available.

[LineDoggie]

... Maybe read the thread before posting? :bash:

And... DONT EVER use Osprey as a source!!!

Why? Ron Volstad does Yeoman work with his German Uniforms, many based on Photographs

[Jarhead]

I do not speak German but I am a language professional and currently trying to ponder into some language finesses. Can anyone help me with discovering if these two German verbs have the same origin? Thanks a million
What two verbs?

[Connaught Ranger]

I do not speak German but I am a language professional and currently trying to ponder into some language finesses. Can anyone help me with discovering if these two German verbs have the same origin? Thanks a million
Why two posts with no two verbs?

[STuG]

Perhaps it's just some fake "fantasy" badge, and the guy is too much of a dumbarse to know it.

He is wearing a fantasy 'Stalingrad' shield.

If memory serves these originated in the UK during the late 1970's and were stamped from rusted metal to lend credence to the 'forgotten and then re-discovered prototype' story that came with them.

Makes perect sense for our parachuting, tank destroying, sniper RK bearer!