Corruption perceptions index 2009

[Pareto]

New zealand - 1
US - 19
Israel - 32
Georgia - 66
Greece/Bulgaria/Romania - 71
Russia- 146
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

edited Russias rank

[jontew]

Russia actually ranks 146, not that it is so much better but...

[CS1.6]

China 79,

in the last year it was 72,

so i guess some CCP officials have better "income" this year than last year...

[Evolv5]

Ouch, Italy ranks 63rd.

[asch]

Georgia - 66
Russia- 146

occam's razor applied.

[IDF_TANKER]

#22 Qatar
#30 United Arab Emirates

Right...


The CPI score indicates the perceived level of public-sector corruption in a country/territory.

You've gotta love these rankings... Basically this ranking shows how the corruption is perceived by the people of a given country. Which is obviously a direct function of the country's accepted standards, defined by local culture, politics, regime etc. For example, in a traditional ME/Asian societies loyalty to your family is above all, so it's perceived as "normal" when an public servant uses his position for the benefit of his family, something which is considered as nepotism, a big no-no in the West.

[Dolph BG]

We got one place up,from 72nd to 71st this year :),better then none,but a lot more is desired!!!

[Pareto]

#22 Qatar
#30 United Arab Emirates

Right...



You've gotta love these rankings... Basically this ranking shows how the corruption is perceived by the people of a given country. Which is obviously a direct function of the country's accepted standards, defined by local culture, politics, regime etc. For example, in a traditional ME/Asian societies loyalty to your family is above all, so it's perceived as "normal" when an public servant uses his position for the benefit of his family, something which is considered as nepotism, a big no-no in the West.

They are asking manly the foreighn experts, not randomly chosen local residents..

Evaluation of the extent of corruption in countries/territories is done by two
groups: country experts, both residents and non-residents, and business
leaders. In the 2009 CPI, the following seven sources provided data based on
expert analysis: African Development Bank, Asian Development Bank,
Bertelsmann Foundation, Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House,
Global Insight and the World Bank. Three sources for the 2009 CPI reflect the
evaluations by resident business leaders of their own country, IMD, Political
and Economic Risk Consultancy, and the World Economic Forum.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/methodology

[xzx]

Here is another one brilliant redneck index rofl

http://www.forbes.com/capitalhospitality/

Its called "The Best Countries For Business"

In the 2009 year version of that index

Russia on 103 place
Ukraine - 97
Georgia - 64

The most funny thing, is that previous place of Georgia in that index is 68. That means that according to authors of that index, after harsh economic reforms, that Russia brought to Georgia in the August of last year, Georgia became 4 levels "better country for business" roflrofl

[IDF_TANKER]

They are asking manly the foreighn experts, not randomly chosen local residents..

Evaluation of the extent of corruption in countries/territories is done by two
groups: country experts, both residents and non-residents, and business
leaders. In the 2009 CPI, the following seven sources provided data based on
expert analysis: African Development Bank, Asian Development Bank,
Bertelsmann Foundation, Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House,
Global Insight and the World Bank. Three sources for the 2009 CPI reflect the
evaluations by resident business leaders of their own country, IMD, Political
and Economic Risk Consultancy, and the World Economic Forum.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/methodology

So, as far as I understand, the third of this ranking is based on local population, right? I remember an interview of a professor from an Israeli university who participated in one of these ranking, as local representative.

[Switek]

...
Georgia - 66
...
Russia- 146
... (http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table)


occam's razor applied.

This is Corruption Perceptions Index. Perception is subjective experience and ability to admit this. This survey proves just that Russians are probably less disillusioned and more critical.

[Mango Madness]

This is Corruption Perceptions Index. Perception is subjective experience and ability to admit this. This survey proves just that Russians are probably less disillusioned and more critical.

Especially when you have both the current President and the last President declare to the public that corruption is rampant throughout the country

[Pareto]

This is Corruption Perceptions Index. Perception is subjective experience and ability to admit this. This survey proves just that Russians are probably less disillusioned and more critical.

So by your "logic" New Zealandians are less critical and most disillusion, while Somalians are more critical and less dissilusion..
Great conclusion..:D
So we should look at this index backwards :D


Now seriously - this index is based mostly on foreighn experts and analists,it's not a local survey..
Read the metology I put beyond

[ayanami_tard]

malaysia-#56

hmmph....

[Switek]

So by your "logic" New Zealandians are less critical and most disillusion, while Somalians are more critical and less dissilusion..
Great conclusion..:D
So we should look at this index backwards :D


Now seriously - this index is based mostly on foreighn experts and analists,it's not a local survey..
Read the metology I put beyond

Seriously? Everyone know knows that corruption is huge in Russia but try to find quantitative, objective tools to measure it. A word 'perception' says it all. According my 'perception' blue eyed blonds are much more attractive than brown or red hair females.

Dude, according to American IQ tests conducted in 1960's Russian children were much more stupid with significant lower average IQ than kids from USA. Have you ever heard about cultural differentiation? The fact that Russian kids had no clue what "invest on stock exchange" meant, did not make automatically less intelligent.

[Marmot1]

Here is another one brilliant redneck index rofl

http://www.forbes.com/capitalhospitality/

Its called "The Best Countries For Business"

In the 2009 year version of that index

Russia on 103 place
Ukraine - 97
Georgia - 64

The most funny thing, is that previous place of Georgia in that index is 68. That means that according to authors of that index, after harsh economic reforms, that Russia brought to Georgia in the August of last year, Georgia became 4 levels "better country for business" roflrofl


Political situation has nothing to do with business. It might be easier and cheaper to establish business in Georgia than in Russia. Restrictions for foreign investors might be lesser, etc. Bureaucracy might be lower, and local regulations might be investor friendly.

[Herman the II]

Didn't knew Greece was that bad, I would have expected them somewhere in the top-30.

[AKS]

I dont know how much of it is true but I know people who live in Georgia and they do say that after the Rose Revolution corruption dropped significantly.

[Dolph BG]

Didn't knew Greece was that bad, I would have expected them somewhere in the top-30.
I've been in GR several times and never seen or herd corruption to be as high as BG or RO.I would not believe this info so much.Last week I was watching the news,they were saying which countries people were evading paying taxes of all EU.Number 1 was Italy,2 Romania and 3 Bulgaria.I couldn't believe it :cantbeli:

[Eye]

#22 Qatar
#30 United Arab Emirates

Right...




I don't take serious such rankings too, but you know, Israel isn't any kind of enclave. Even former prime minister of Israel is accused of corruption.

[Eye]

Russia- 146
There are only 146 states in the world?

[The Dane]

There are only 146 states in the world?

No... 204 ..

[Jurinko]

Great. We have been beaten by Samoa and Namibia.

[IDF_TANKER]

I don't take serious such rankings too, but you know, Israel isn't any kind of enclave. Even former prime minister of Israel is accused of corruption.

This is exactly the point - the situation like that (that is, prosecution of head of the state) wouldn't be even remotely possible in any other ME country. Not to mention that what he did, wouldn't even be considered as wrong, let alone criminal in these countries. And, yes, in almost every possible aspect Israel is an enclave.

Unless, of course, Poland being after Jordan, Qatar and UAE makes any sense to you.

[Eye]

Unless, of course, Poland being after Jordan, Qatar and UAE makes any sense to you.
I know very little about Jordan, Qatar etc., but we have here quite well developed corruption. When I build my summer cabin I had two options. Hire some nice businessmen and receive all permissions, plans etc in two or three months or rent somebody else and wait God knows how long. Everything legal, taxes are paid, but most people know what to do to have permission for building without unnecessary problems. Some of those nice businessmen are local clerks simultaneously.
More clerks - more corruption.

[Eye]

No... 204 ..
Russia isn't in the end of the list? p-)

[Soldat_Américain]

Every country after the US has to be extremely corrupt, all I have to point to is three cities in the states to talk about corruption.

1. Chicago
2. Washington DC
3. Sacramento

[kamaz]

Brazil is only #75??

I personally had to bribe cops in Rio just to get through a police checkpoint. And its 30 spots ahead of Argentina? this index is a giant joke.

[Eokboy]

malaysia-#56

hmmph....
Unfortunate. All thanks to those corrupt opposition MPs we see everyday in the news.

[Zarak]

Every country after the US has to be extremely corrupt, all I have to point to is three cities in the states to talk about corruption.

1. Chicago
2. Washington DC
3. Sacramento

Most police forces and local governments are on the level, for what its worth. Americans just has a different standard for corruption I suppose. What goes on in Chicago is rediculous to us, but in Mexico it'd be better than average, for example. I've never been constantly harassed by police for money in the United States anywhere but every time I travel to Mexico I have to include 'Policia' in my budget.

On the flipside, many 'legitimate' and widespread campaign fund-raising strategies in the United States would be considered corruption in many other nations...

[Ordie]

Every country after the US has to be extremely corrupt, all I have to point to is three cities in the states to talk about corruption.

1. Chicago
2. Washington DC
3. Sacramento

You're confusing politics with corruption. In politics there's alot of quid pro quos. Nothing stops you from visiting your State Assembly or Senate Member and state your case. I've done it before and you would be surprised how accessible and transparent Sacramento can be.

I highly doubt you can bribe a cop in Sacramento.

[sterrius]

Brazil is only #75??

I personally had to bribe cops in Rio just to get through a police checkpoint. And its 30 spots ahead of Argentina? this index is a giant joke. Rio is hardly the best example for Brazil! Its one of the citys with most problems of corruption at police level because of the drugs.

In rio (And other citys with lots of police problems) police corruption is something like 30-40% of the force. In other citys this can go down to 1-10%.

Oh! by the way brazil was 80 in 2008 with 3.5. +0.2 and got up 5 positions.

[Ordie]

Rio is hardly the best example for Brazil! Its one of the citys with most problems of corruption at police level because of the drugs.

In rio (And other citys with lots of police problems) police corruption is something like 30-40% of the force. In other citys this can go down to 1-10%.

Oh! by the way brazil was 80 in 2008 with 3.5. +0.2 and got up 5 positions.

That's true.

Curitiba, Brazil is often used as a case study for urban planners in the United States.

[Clayton Gold]

Canada #8.

Remove Quebec from their scorecard, and we'd probably go up 5 spots. p-)

[dracon49]

Russia is in a good place ,but from the down:) and also in Israel we have corrupted officials..2 ex ministers are in Jail and soon maybe more:roll:.