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koevoetconstable
11-23-2009, 10:24 AM
I have not fired an assault rifle in many years, nor have I kept up with the developments in them. What are some of the best assault rifles currently available to troops worldwide and what about designs that have not been adopted yet or are still in development?
flanker7
11-23-2009, 10:28 AM
:-)
I hope this wont bacome another M16vsAK47, athough I believe it will
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl00-e.htm
A good place to search
dudski
11-23-2009, 10:28 AM
Tavor ftw lol
Universal_Soldier
11-23-2009, 10:31 AM
Epic thread with Epic possibilities...:)
Just do a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of riffle related threads to help you catch up.
ps: my personal favorite is the Steyr AUG.
Elemental666
11-23-2009, 10:36 AM
Tavor ftw lol
It has it's ups and downs. Great rifle overall though.
10/10 on sexiness level as well.
koevoetconstable
11-23-2009, 10:43 AM
:-)
I hope this wont bacome another M16vsAK47, athough I believe it will
I'm well aquanted with the M16 and AK47 and am not really looking for info on them. I'm interested in the latest generation of assault rifles.
Bro Jangles
11-23-2009, 10:47 AM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/type95-1.jpg
better in 15 out of 17 combat characteristics.
koevoetconstable
11-23-2009, 10:49 AM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/type95-1.jpg
better in 15 out of 17 combat characteristics.
What is it?
It's Chinese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95
Bro Jangles
11-23-2009, 10:54 AM
What is it?
a failed attempt at humor. there are hundreds of ARs out there, damn near every country is making one, each with what that country determines is important a its main feature. if a country is concerned about a certain type of warfare, they may develop a certain type of firearm. is one best among them? no*. but there are better ones.
*yes. M16
Lerch
11-23-2009, 12:21 PM
*yes. M16
pfft..C7 p-)
Catch22
11-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Most important, if not the best players are for today: the FN SCAR system including 5,56&7,62 and the HK's 416/417
Some good things are to be said about Remingtons ACR (ergonomics) and SIG 516/517 (does the same what HK's but less weight)
For bullpups - Israeli X-95 (Micro Tavor) and Steyr AUG A3 are probably whats best in the market.
csfmann
11-23-2009, 03:25 PM
Sig 550 series is the top choice
csfmann
11-23-2009, 03:39 PM
ARX160 has a nice design and some innovative tips. According SF operators it's still a prototype, beretta is still working on it
Nevertheless it has been solden to Albania (100) Mexico (2-3000?) and Egypt (?)
Catch22
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
ARX has a nice, "designer" lines but rather poor operating features - narrow magwell, confusing, and hard to press bolt release/doubling as a magazine release, less than easy to operate safety, poor sling mounts placement - and several other minor bugs...
Barrett REC7 :).
P.S.I haven't seen new technology in AR's for long time.They are the same like 40 years ago,with some face lift.
true that
SAR21 has integrated laser gizmoīs but thatīs about it
Bro Jangles
11-23-2009, 09:09 PM
Barrett REC7 :).
P.S.I haven't seen new technology in AR's for long time.They are the same like 40 years ago,with some face lift.
as my old man would say, if it aint broke......
PS same with the AK, hmm the 2 most prolific rifles of the 21st century.
This is probably as high-tech as you can currently get...AAI's LSAT future rifle prototype. Check out page 2.
http://www.aaicorp.com/pdfs/lsatps09-09-08.pdf
-----JT-----
csfmann
11-24-2009, 02:46 AM
ARX has a nice, "designer" lines but rather poor operating features - narrow magwell, confusing, and hard to press bolt release/doubling as a magazine release, less than easy to operate safety, poor sling mounts placement - and several other minor bugs...
Italian army is planning to receive an initial batch of 1600 weapons, I hope they'll fix all these bugs before. As you told it's looks like more a "designer" expession than a practical weapon.
According to these SF operators the ARX has too many useless tips.
I remember in the ninenties, when the italian armed forces "choose" the ar 70/90 as their rifles instead of HK G41. I hope italian troops will receive a really good weapon this time, instead of forced "Beretta" choice. You know what I mean p-)
Arnie100
11-24-2009, 02:50 AM
This is probably as high-tech as you can currently get...AAI's LSAT future rifle prototype. Check out page 2.
http://www.aaicorp.com/pdfs/lsatps09-09-08.pdf
-----JT-----
Looks more like SAW then a rifle...
Catch22
11-24-2009, 04:11 AM
Italian army is planning to receive an initial batch of 1600 weapons, I hope they'll fix all these bugs before. As you told it's looks like more a "designer" expession than a practical weapon.
According to these SF operators the ARX has too many useless tips.
I remember in the ninenties, when the italian armed forces "choose" the ar 70/90 as their rifles instead of HK G41. I hope italian troops will receive a really good weapon this time, instead of forced "Beretta" choice. You know what I mean p-)
I suppose I do. Well that's the problem with supporting your own country arms manufacturer - even when they screw something up, they'd expect you'll buy it from them, and raise a cry if you'd dare to look into other options. I cant say how ARX shoots, but having handled it for a while I was dissapointed. There are few good features however - the charging handle is ok, the ejection windows are big and on both sides - easy to do a visual check, less chances for stoppages and easier to clear them. But I fear you're right and they'd settle for what they already made...
Arnie100
11-24-2009, 04:32 AM
Here's the Remington ACR:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3786/remingtonacr2.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/remingtonacr2.jpg/)
AIRASSAULT7
11-24-2009, 05:48 AM
a failed attempt at humor. there are hundreds of ARs out there, damn near every country is making one, each with what that country determines is important a its main feature. if a country is concerned about a certain type of warfare, they may develop a certain type of firearm. is one best among them? no*. but there are better ones.
*yes. M16
type in cq 5.56 and i think youll laugh
Best rifle? Can't think of anything extraordinary these days.
Now, the good old FN FAL, assuming you were a bloody giant, packed a hell of a punch. But that was long ago, before the arms industry got mixed up with the toys industry :D
ASHISH67
11-24-2009, 07:23 AM
Our desi assault rifle
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6j6EUr4_PR8/Ru8cAneV5LI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/7DMPiBRACQk/s400/Insas56.jpg
Our desi assault rifle
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6j6EUr4_PR8/Ru8cAneV5LI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/7DMPiBRACQk/s400/Insas56.jpg
Looks like a Galil with added some cool forniture
Bro Jangles
11-24-2009, 02:55 PM
^ my buddy got some time with the INSAS and said it was garbage. a mix of the AK and G3.
type in cq 5.56 and i think youll laugh
so? the chineese have copied everything.
Our desi assault rifle
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6j6EUr4_PR8/Ru8cAneV5LI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/7DMPiBRACQk/s400/Insas56.jpg
We are talking about something new.New technology,design etc.INSAS is ordinary AR with nothing new or innovative.Im sure its doing the job that was build to do :)
The LWRC and the Barrett rec7 look nice.LWRC looks like M4,its 5.56,but is gas piston.Its nice AR.
Special-K
11-24-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm very fond of my Robinson XCR. I think it has quite a bit of potential.
-K
Rugal09
11-24-2009, 09:17 PM
AK47 is still the best
I thought the original Ak-47 is no longer in production and what we know as the Ak-47 today is actually a Chinese copy of Ak-56.
not sure though...
James
11-25-2009, 12:32 AM
Most important, if not the best players are for today: the FN SCAR system including 5,56&7,62 and the HK's 416/417
Some good things are to be said about Remingtons ACR (ergonomics) and SIG 516/517 (does the same what HK's but less weight)
For bullpups - Israeli X-95 (Micro Tavor) and Steyr AUG A3 are probably whats best in the market.
How many of those do you actually have experience with?
rhino
11-25-2009, 01:14 AM
all of them, Catch22 is a firearms review writer for a certain type of magazines/periodicals in his corner of the woodsp-)
variablebinary
11-25-2009, 01:49 AM
I'm very fond of my Robinson XCR. I think it has quite a bit of potential.
-K
Indeed it does
I thought the original Ak-47 is no longer in production and what we know as the Ak-47 today is actually a Chinese copy of Ak-56.
not sure though...
The original AK47 was replaced in 1959 by the AKM(Improved AK47).Originally, the Type 56 was a direct copy of the AK-47, and featured a milled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_machine) receiver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receiver_%28firearms%29), but starting in the mid-1960s, the guns were manufactured with stamped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamping_%28metalworking%29) receivers much like the Soviet AKM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKM).
P.S.I would love to put my hands on AEK971 ;),but its not gonna happen.
How many of those do you actually have experience with?If you ask me,doesn't matter.We all are going to use what ever we are issued.....
P.S.But Bushmaster ACR looks nice.....
18SASS
11-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Remington ACR looks promising... Finally
Looks more like SAW then a rifle...
Look at the bottom of the second page...it shows the prototype rifle.
-----JT-----
ghostdog
11-27-2009, 06:55 PM
ARX has a nice, "designer" lines but rather poor operating features - narrow magwell, confusing, and hard to press bolt release/doubling as a magazine release, less than easy to operate safety, poor sling mounts placement - and several other minor bugs...
Italian army is planning to receive an initial batch of 1600 weapons, I hope they'll fix all these bugs before. As you told it's looks like more a "designer" expession than a practical weapon.
According to these SF operators the ARX has too many useless tips.
I remember in the ninenties, when the italian armed forces "choose" the ar 70/90 as their rifles instead of HK G41. I hope italian troops will receive a really good weapon this time, instead of forced "Beretta" choice. You know what I mean p-)
I suppose I do. Well that's the problem with supporting your own country arms manufacturer - even when they screw something up, they'd expect you'll buy it from them, and raise a cry if you'd dare to look into other options. I cant say how ARX shoots, but having handled it for a while I was dissapointed. There are few good features however - the charging handle is ok, the ejection windows are big and on both sides - easy to do a visual check, less chances for stoppages and easier to clear them. But I fear you're right and they'd settle for what they already made...
The ARX was born by a joint venture between Beretta and the Italian Army ,this time the army chose to put its hand on the project directly ,so it's not forced in that choice .
csfmann
11-28-2009, 07:15 AM
The ARX was born by a joint venture between Beretta and the Italian Army ,this time the army chose to put its hand on the project directly ,so it's not forced in that choice .
So are they working directley in Beretta factory with Army staff, have you got any news?
ghostdog
11-28-2009, 08:47 AM
So are they working directley in Beretta factory with Army staff, have you got any news?
The Italian Army is testing the weapon on the field ,but has also a direct access to the project .
The SF operators and Folgore are reporting some bugs which Beretta will fix .
Whatever you've seen it's not yet the final product don't worry .
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