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budanski
07-28-2003, 05:59 PM
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Knights Armament SR-47
Quarterbore (http://quarterbore.com/kac/sr47.html)
April 2003
SCOTT GOURLEY

US special operations forces have received a small number of new assault rifles optimised for the type of cave-complex fighting experienced in Afghanistan.

The weapons are based on the M-4/M-4A1 carbine variants of the M-16 assault rifle family, but fire the 7.62 x 39mm Soviet-designed cartridge and magazines used in the AK-47 assault rifle.

Knight's Armament Company of Vero Beach, Florida, delivered the first six rifles, called the SR-47 (Stoner Rifle-47), to the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) in January. The company received a contract for an initial six weapons in late October 2001.

David Lutz, vice president of military marketing for Knight's Armament Company, said: "For the last couple of years there was a requirement in USSOCOM for an addition to their [M-4 series carbine] SOPMOD [Special Operations Peculiar Modification] kit that they called a 'Special Purpose Receiver' (SPR).

"Originally they called it the SPR V1 for 'variant one', and it was to be a drop-in 7.62 x 39mm receiver replacement."

According to Lutz, government laboratory efforts to satisfy the SPR requirement were further complicated by "user input" from the USSOCOM specifying that special forces did not want to use the "straight box" M-16 magazines but instead wanted to utilize "battlefield pick-up" AK-47 magazines taken from opponents.

"That was a dilemma because the AK-47 magazine won't go well in a straight chute dimensional magazine - it just won't happen," he said.

He added: "But actually this program was kind of on a back-burner until US special operations guys were going into these complex of tunnels that were so deep, expansive and target-rich that they couldn't take enough loaded M-16 magazines. So they wanted a weapon that had all the muscle memory of an M-4 - safety, grip, everything that's familiar to the soldier or the SEAL - but capable of using battlefield pick-up magazines."

Instead of a drop-in receiver addition to the SOPMOD kit, design changes mandated a completely new weapon with resulting change in terminology from Special-Purpose Receiver to Special-Purpose Rifle (SPR).

"To enable the use of battlefield pick-up magazines, we had to make the upper and lower receiver 0.25in longer. You couldn't take an M-4 receiver and even machine it out to take the AK-47 magazine because it was too short. That also meant that the bolt carrier had to be made longer and the firing pin had to be made longer.

"So you started losing what some people would have liked to have in terms of optimal interchangeability of parts; that's just part of the trade-off to fire the different cartridges," Lutz said.

He highlighted the advantages of the 7.62mm size round for close-quarter battle (CQB) operations. Noting that many of the world's counter-terrorist organizations have evolved from 9mm to 5.56mm ammunition over the last decade, he highlighted the larger 7.62mm ammunition for the ability to package heavier, slower bullets that could provide greater contributions in CQB scenarios.

In addition to the extended upper and lower receivers, another challenging design effort in the SR-47 involved getting the M-4/M-16 magazine catch to externally function like the M-16 magazine but work with a curved AK-47 magazine. In practice, US soldiers use gravity to 'drop' their empty M-16 magazines. The SR-47 design requires the introduction of an internal magazine ejector to push the empty AK-47 magazine from the bottom of the weapon. Additional design features include the introduction of a free-floated match grade barrel.

"This particular 7.62 x 39mm is probably the most accurate 7.62 x 39mm in the world because it's got a really fine free-floated barrel," Lutz added.

"And, of course, it has the rail system so all of the other SOPMOD accessories off the M-4s are compatible.

"There's also a possibility, although they haven't let the contract yet, that there could be another variant that we'd call the SR-74. That could be used if our special operations guys go to a country that has the 'newer' 5.45mm former Soviet weapons. Then they would also have the same ability to pick up magazines."

All six of the SR-47s were delivered with sound suppressors, which Lutz described as "essential" in tunnel operations because of the weapon report.

"We don't know how the six did," he said. "We don't know if they are ever going to order one more. We don't know if we're going to get the second phase, which is to develop the 5.45mm version. But this is probably the hottest weapon that's out there right now."

Lutz concluded: "The SR-47 is a great gun because of the three technologies that it marries: the basic Stoner gun design; the AK-47 series cartridge and magazine; and the modular weapon concept."

Duke
07-28-2003, 06:04 PM
Very smart concept; but after four mags you might have a smooth bore.

budanski
07-28-2003, 06:07 PM
Also, check this out (http://www.robarm.com/rav02.htm), there are some videos...quite similar but based on the original Stoner design. The company also makes some sweet AK-type rifles with the stronger RPK receiver....

http://www.robarm.com/images/RAV02%20FA%20RS20Aug02.jpg

Piccolo
07-28-2003, 06:19 PM
A good concept, as Duke stated, but all reports indicate the SR47 isn't really worth the extra logistical and cost strains. As I recall, the requirments for the project were a upper reciever which did not need a compleatly seperate rifle, to switch onto a M4 upper. Obviously, KAC couldn't do this because the basic design of each weapon. They are just incompatible in this nature.

warchild1/27scout
07-28-2003, 07:35 PM
hey does the sr-47 use the same operation as the ak. i was wondering cause it dont have the all to noticable blowback tube or whatever it is on the top of the barrel. mabe its hidden in the handguard. im not much on mechanics.

Duke
07-28-2003, 07:59 PM
Fitting a M4 to fire a AK47/M mag is much like replacing a car's engine with a different HP and make. After the proper modifications to the engine's connections, the car will still drive. Likewise, the cartridge will fire using the M4 platform after modifications to rifle's components such as the bbl and receiver.

springwheat
07-28-2003, 09:28 PM
And also switching from unleaded to diesel..

martinexsquaddie
07-29-2003, 03:56 PM
er why not just use an ak47?

Duke
07-29-2003, 04:21 PM
The SR47 is favored for the replacement parts or logistics from the M16/Stoner family and inherent familarity of the M4.

martinexsquaddie
07-29-2003, 06:04 PM
hell if an african kid can figure out to make an ak47 go bang and even I managed it after 4 days :D special forces can get them to work if they break just pick up another :lol:
remember KISS

Ratamacue
07-29-2003, 06:11 PM
It's not so much whether they can figure it out or if it will break. From what I can tell, alot of SOF use AK's while doing cave clearing. What the DOD wants is a weapon with nearly the same mechanism as the M16 series so the operators aren't fumbling around their weapons looking for the fire selector and can use natural muscle memory to reload/switch fire modes/etc.

Duke
07-29-2003, 06:13 PM
hell if an african kid can figure out to make an ak47 go bang and even I managed it after 4 days :D special forces can get them to work if they break just pick up another :lol:
remember KISS
That's right KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Why bother the logistics--the chits, the replenishments, etc etc. Also, why bother with mastering the ins and outs of two rifles, recoil, trigger pull etc etc. KISS hence the SR47.

martinexsquaddie
07-30-2003, 06:29 AM
still seems an expensive Hit-tech answer to not much of a problem.
but thats the american way I guess reminds me of the space pen program.
Nasa spent nearly a million dollars getting a pen to work in outer space.
The russians shrugged and reached for a pencil :lol:
Seems like the Sr47 isn't going to be adopted anyway

ibstolidude
07-30-2003, 09:47 AM
RAT - from where can you tell lets of SOF guys are clearing caves with AK??

Ever shoot an AK in a closed in area (in a building or a cave)? It isn't that pretty. the close up fighting of a cave is where the M4 excels.

Piccolo
07-30-2003, 08:47 PM
Nasa spent nearly a million dollars getting a pen to work in outer space.
The russians shrugged and reached for a pencil :lol:


Nice theory, but you are alittle off. NASA did not spend a peny on the project, it was a private contracter/individual. As well, led (Read: Pencil) is a very dangerous item to use in zero gravity.

martinexsquaddie
07-31-2003, 05:19 AM
how is pencil lead dangerous to use in zero g?

Seraphim
07-31-2003, 05:23 AM
Pencils tends to break. Plus they use graphite in pencils now...not lead.
Im guessing the graphite dust can cause problems in the circuitry. Anything that can pose a risk is a nono.

atnadastra
07-31-2003, 10:36 AM
This new SR-47 really represents the kind of practical, lateral thinking in the defense industry that sometimes seems so rare.

This should help our SF operators out a lot.

Piccolo
07-31-2003, 02:17 PM
As I said before, the SR47 project is pretty dead at this point, from all accounts by KAC. It would seem that all future plans to produce the weapon in large quanitys will not happen. FYI, KAC also planed to make a SR74 to be compatible with the AK74 magazine/round.