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Jeremiah
11-24-2009, 06:41 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34123395...d_news-europe/

Quote:
LONDON - Britain has built the world's biggest DNA database without proper political debate and police routinely arrest people just to get their DNA profiles onto the system, the genetics watchdog said in a report on Tuesday.

The Human Genetics Commission, which advises the government on the social, legal and ethical aspects of genetics, called for a review of the database and said new laws must be passed to govern its use.

In a damning report, the commission said "function creep" had transformed the system from a DNA store for offenders into a database of suspects.

More than three-quarters of young black men aged between 18 and 35 are on the system, the report said.

Set up in 1995, the database contains the DNA profiles of five million citizens, eight percent of the population, making it the world's biggest in proportion to population size.

"Parliament has never formally debated the establishment of the National DNA Database and safeguards around it," commission chairman Professor Jonathan Montgomery said in a statement.

"It has developed through amendments to laws designed to regulate the taking of fingerprints and physical evidence before DNA profiling was developed.

"It is not clear how far holding DNA profiles on a central database improves police investigations."

The report quoted an unidentified retired senior police officer as saying that "it is now the norm to arrest offenders for everything" in order to obtain a DNA sample.

‘Vital crime-fighting tool’

A Home Office spokesman said the database was a "vital crime-fighting tool" that had linked more than 410,000 crime scenes with a DNA match and a possible lead to an offender between 1998 and March 2009.

"Research shows no clear link between the level of offence for which an individual is arrested and the seriousness of any subsequent offence with which they may be associated," the spokesman said. No one from the Association of Chief Police Officers could immediately be reached for comment.

Opposition politicians and human rights groups said the report provided further evidence that Britain is becoming a "surveillance society," where people's personal details are stored and their movements constantly monitored.

Conservative Home Office spokesman James Brokenshire said Gordon Brown's government had allowed the DNA database to grow "for the sake of it, regardless of guilt or innocence."

"Under Labor's surveillance state, everyone is treated as a potential suspect," he said.

The report recommended that parliament pass new laws that clearly outline the powers of the police and the DNA database.

An independent panel should be set up to review the evidence on who has given DNA samples and why. The type of offences which require suspects to give a sample must also be reviewed.

Police in England and Wales can take and store the DNA of anyone arrested for a recordable offence, a category that includes all but minor crimes.

Rossdobby
11-24-2009, 07:25 PM
Haha Im glad I don't live there. They would have my DNA....

Ed Robinson
11-24-2009, 07:27 PM
So what’s the problem?
The article doesn’t say that innocent people are arrested just to have their DNA taken. All police forces arrest people and obtain identifying details from the accused.

It’s the same as having your finger prints and photograph taken when you are arrested. It proves who you are and can also link you to previous or future offences.

In Australia, which I would assume is similar to England, you can be arrested or dealt with via a summons for certain matters. With the summons, the Police obtain your details and if they are satisfied with your identity, they mail out the summons to court to your address. The accused still has to attend court. You just don’t get taken back to the station and processed.

If Police don’t have your finger prints, photograph or DNA profile you may get arrested rather than summonsed in order for Police to obtain these.

It is not clear how far holding DNA profiles on a central database improves police investigations."

"Research shows no clear link between the level of offence for which an individual is arrested and the seriousness of any subsequent offence with which they may be associated,"

I’m not sure what sort of research that these people have undertaken or what they would classify as a serious offence, but Police routinely get DNA or finger print hits from 1st time arrested offenders. Usually linking them to burglaries. It’s a win for society if the offender is arrested for petty theft ( shoplifting ) have their DNA taken and then they are linked to 3-4 burglaries.

Chulo
11-24-2009, 07:32 PM
So what’s the problem?
The article doesn’t say that innocent people are arrested just to have their DNA taken. All police forces arrest people and obtain identifying details from the accused.

It’s the same as having your finger prints and photograph taken when you are arrested. It proves who you are and can also link you to previous or future offences.

In Australia, which I would assume is similar to England, you can be arrested or dealt with via a summons for certain matters. With the summons, the Police obtain your details and if they are satisfied with your identity, they mail out the summons to court to your address. The accused still has to attend court. You just don’t get taken back to the station and processed.

If Police don’t have your finger prints, photograph or DNA profile you may get arrested rather than summonsed in order for Police to obtain these.

It is not clear how far holding DNA profiles on a central database improves police investigations."

"Research shows no clear link between the level of offence for which an individual is arrested and the seriousness of any subsequent offence with which they may be associated,"

I’m not sure what sort of research that these people have undertaken or what they would classify as a serious offence, but Police routinely get DNA or finger print hits from 1st time arrested offenders. Usually linking them to burglaries. It’s a win for society if the offender is arrested for petty theft ( shoplifting ) have their DNA taken and then they are linked to 3-4 burglaries.

police routinely arrest people just to get their DNA profiles

Actually it does say innocent people are arrested JUST to get their DNA

BigDukaroo
11-24-2009, 07:46 PM
police routinely arrest people just to get their DNA profiles That is just wrong. The government should just gather everyone's DNA upon birth.

Special-K
11-24-2009, 08:17 PM
That is just wrong. The government should just gather everyone's DNA upon birth.


And why not implantable GPS tags while were at it.:|




-K

Mr Gently Benevolent
11-25-2009, 01:24 AM
This is not a UK wide issue and only as far as known affects some counties in England and Wales and in most cases the police targeted certain individuals and exclusive groups. DNA sweeps without arrest are carried out in the US although studies so far has shown them to be less than cost effective method of policing.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
11-25-2009, 11:48 AM
So what...? (Towards the policy; not toward falsely arresting individuals)

I cannot tell you as a non-criminal how many times I have had my fingerprints taken and/or sent to the FBI for documents REQUESTS!

Don't tell me they don't add my ass to their database! :)

And I am not worried about it one bit...

Connaught Ranger
11-25-2009, 11:58 AM
And why not implantable GPS tags while were at it.:|
-K

:cantbeli: Tinfoil hat time.

LineDoggie
11-27-2009, 12:47 AM
Haha Im glad I don't live there. They would have my DNA....
By wringing out your socks? or the family cat?

BiZ
11-27-2009, 01:34 AM
Actually it does say innocent people are arrested JUST to get their DNA

You've taken the quote out of context. They (the Police) do not arrest people "just to get their DNA", they are arresting people for minor offences, instead of "on the street warnings" etc in order to take them back to the police station, fingerprint them and obtain DNA to record the person on the police database.

Those who are having their DNA taken have still committed an offence. A fact that is clearly gleaned over with the sensationalistic excuse for journalism and tin foil hat-ness on here. If they were simply hauling people off willy nilly I'm certain the figure would be higher than 8% of the population given this has been in place many years...

a_very_ex_STAB
11-27-2009, 02:14 AM
You've taken the quote out of context. They (the Police) do not arrest people "just to get their DNA", they are arresting people for minor offences, instead of "on the street warnings" etc in order to take them back to the police station, fingerprint them and obtain DNA to record the person on the police database.

Those who are having their DNA taken have still committed an offence. A fact that is clearly gleaned over with the sensationalistic excuse for journalism and tin foil hat-ness on here. If they were simply hauling people off willy nilly I'm certain the figure would be higher than 8% of the population given this has been in place many years...

How dare you try to use ridiculous things like common sense and the facts in a debate with the American right wing 'moonbat' brigade on here ;-)

gaz
11-27-2009, 03:41 AM
Haha Im glad I don't live there. They would have my DNA....

But then you could be tested for Down's Syndrome (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4582170&postcount=1).