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Uncle Sam
07-14-2004, 04:17 PM
1)
Imperial walkers attack the rebels
"The Empire Strikes Back"

Why it's so dumb: So, the same company that brings you the dark side of the force and the death star decides that tall, slow, off balance elephant thingies with laser beam-shooting tusks are the best way to ferret out the rebels from their underground fortress?

Darth Vader may have been a patsy, but we all know he wasn't that stupid. If ever a huge planet destroying technology was the appropriate choice, this was it.

Why we don't care: Seeing the walkers come into focus in the rebel binoculars was the moment when "Star Wars" fans realized that "The Empire Strikes Back" might indeed be cooler than the original. That scene alone could be the reason we paid to see four more.

2)
The aliens need "Signs"
"Signs"

Why it's so dumb: So many sci-fi fans have heard this one that it's almost bad form to mention it, but the blunder is pretty simple: Aliens navigate the vastness of space and find life on a puny planet.

Then it turns out they need cornfields on that puny planet to point them to fresh meat. The only thing that made sense about the scenario is that the aliens wanted to eat Mel Gibson first.

Why we don't care: As every sci-fi fan can tell you, "I want to believe."

3)
John Hurt feels better, so opts for breakfast
"Alien"

Why it's so dumb: "Oh, thank goodness the acid-blooded crab thing fell off my face. Hey, do I smell scrambled eggs?" Despite a ship full of highly-intelligent technical and science people, the crew of the Nostromo decides not to quarantine their alien-toting buddy long enough to make sure there were no problems along the lines of, say, stomach erupting alien babies.

Why we don't care: A hundred space horror movies later, including three more "Alien" flicks, a lot don't remember how terrifying "Alien" was in 1979. And while the movie was good and creepy up to this point, the "man gives birth" scene was the moment when the movie went from just scary to the scariest movie you had ever seen.

4)
Skynet sends a new and improved Terminator
"Terminator 2: Judgement Day"

Why it's so dumb: There were at least 50 smarter, easier alternatives to whacking Sarah Conner and her unborn son other than sending back the hit-machine to the land of big hair. And after screwing up the first time, why would they try again after Sarah has had years to train both herself and her military mastermind child?

How about sending a good old T-1000 back to Sarah's great, great, great grandmother's house around 1880? What would Kyle have used to fight? A musket?

Why we don't care: The relentless pursuer is a suspense theme predating the written word, and for good reason. "T2" felt like high-budget vindication for all of us who actually saw and enjoyed "The Terminator" the first time around.

5)
Will Smith uploads a virus to save the world
"Independence Day"

Why it's so dumb: "Independence Day" had already lost all credibility when Will Smith climbed into an alien spacecraft and after a few moments, figured out how to fly the thing.

But dumb turns to laugh-out-loud ludicrous when Will conquers the aliens with a floppy disk, in an absurd homage to "War of the Worlds." Will should have just stuffed a peanut butter sandwich into the disk drive. It would have had the same odds of working.

Why we don't care: Because we like absurd homages to "War of the Worlds." Part of loving sci-fi is recognizing moments that only other sci-fi fans will recognize. The only thing better would have been if Orson Welles did a voiceover for "virus uploading" rather than simply seeing the words on the screen.

6)
Dr. Brundle tries out his fly machine
"The Fly"

Why it's so dumb: Jeff Goldblum's character is smart enough to defy physics and biology in every conceivable way, including appearing attractive to Geena Davis, but he isn't smart enough to keep his equipment free of household pests.

But honestly, that's not the dumbest part. The dumbest part is that he rationalizes ever stepping into the thing. If Goldblum's "Jurassic Park" character were there, he would have said, "Don't be an idiot," and the movie would have been over.

Why we don't care: "The Fly" was a movie with the world's easiest gimmick: Watch a guy turn into a fly. There should be more movies like this. Watch a guy turn into a lobster. Watch a guy turn into an oyster. This is what science is all about.

7)
Velociraptors come off like geniuses
"Jurassic Park"

Why it's so dumb: Jaws was a thoughtless eating machine and scared the swim trunks off of us, so why did we need dinosaurs fresh from the debate club? The book read perfectly well with the dinosaurs just being very, very hungry.

The raptors, despite having acorn-sized brains, seemed to have no problem navigating a vast building they'd never been in before in order to corral Sam, Laura and the kids in the lobby. Maybe the T-Rex came in and ate them just for their severe lack of credibility.

Why we don't care: You'd be challenged to find a single person from the "Land of the Lost" generation who didn't love some part of "Jurassic Park." And besides, it was nice to see the computer generated image technology put to use in a ways other than aliens and terminators.

8)
Agents throw punches at Neo
"The Matrix"

Why it's so dumb: Anything that happens to you in the Matrix happens to you for real, right? Thus verifying the theory that if you die in your dream, you're really dead. So why then do the Agents decide that shotguns and kung-fu are the best way to take out Neo? If the Matrix is such a savvy computer, wouldn't, "Neo is in New Jersey, good-bye New Jersey!" be a pretty obvious solution?

Why we don't care: Most sci-fi fans had read William Gibson's "Neuromancer" many years earlier, and "The Matrix" finally helped visualize what the hell was happening in that book.

9)
Superman turns back time
"Superman: The Movie"

Why it's so dumb: This is the classic problem with any time travel plot. If Superman can turn back time, why not turn it back a few years, find Lex Luthor, and break a few fingers? Instead, Superman turns back the clock just enough to save Lois from a not-so-shallow grave.

Why we don't care: Actually, we do. This one is just too dumb.

10)
Jodie Foster and company pass the alien MENSA test
"Contact"

Why it's so dumb: Intelligent creatures from across the universe go to great lengths to let humanity know they exist in an otherwise great movie called "Contact." Life from distant galaxies intelligent enough to capture our rays, translate them, then dramatically send us the blueprints for a wormhole machine, somehow found it necessary to put those blueprints on a flattened piece of origami.

Why we don't care: "Contact" was (finally) the insightful and thought provoking sci-fi movie fans had waited more than a decade for (with all due respect to "Species"). And most fans removed their Vulcan ears in honor of Carl Sagan while watching it.

MVSpartan117
07-14-2004, 04:34 PM
Good read :D

Rantanplan
07-14-2004, 04:44 PM
"The Fly" was a movie with the world's easiest gimmick: Watch a guy turn into a fly. There should be more movies like this. Watch a guy turn into a lobster. Watch a guy turn into an oyster. This is what science is all about.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats soo true.

gaz
07-14-2004, 05:01 PM
The aliens need "Signs"
"Signs"

Why it's so dumb: So many sci-fi fans have heard this one that it's almost bad form to mention it, but the blunder is pretty simple: Aliens navigate the vastness of space and find life on a puny planet.

Then it turns out they need cornfields on that puny planet to point them to fresh meat. The only thing that made sense about the scenario is that the aliens wanted to eat Mel Gibson first.

Why we don't care: As every sci-fi fan can tell you, "I want to believe."

Personally I think it's dumber that the aliens can be killed by water yet choose to invade a planet that's three quarters covered in the stuff and where it periodically falls from the sky....

Herrmannek
07-14-2004, 05:02 PM
"The Fly" was a movie with the world's easiest gimmick: Watch a guy turn into a fly. There should be more movies like this. Watch a guy turn into a lobster. Watch a guy turn into an oyster. This is what science is all about.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats soo true.

I havent seen any lobsters flying by :)

MEGR
07-14-2004, 05:15 PM
I think pretty much anything from Starship Troopers should be on that list too.

2Sheds_Jackson
07-14-2004, 06:35 PM
Nah, Starship Troopers was sort of a tongue-in-cheek black comedy...I wouldn't expect it to be serious.

Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Flagg
07-14-2004, 06:54 PM
Will Smith uploads a virus to save the world
"Independence Day"

Why it's so dumb: "Independence Day" had already lost all credibility when Will Smith climbed into an alien spacecraft and after a few moments, figured out how to fly the thing.

But dumb turns to laugh-out-loud ludicrous when Will conquers the aliens with a floppy disk, in an absurd homage to "War of the Worlds." Will should have just stuffed a peanut butter sandwich into the disk drive. It would have had the same odds of working.

Why we don't care: Because we like absurd homages to "War of the Worlds." Part of loving sci-fi is recognizing moments that only other sci-fi fans will recognize. The only thing better would have been if Orson Welles did a voiceover for "virus uploading" rather than simply seeing the words on the screen.

Ummm...yeah...and the part where the Aliens put themselves into a fair fight by hovering at 10,000 feet, instead of, ya know, like carpet bombing us from Saturn where we couldn't possibly defend ourselves. :roll:


Jodie Foster and company pass the alien MENSA test
"Contact"

Why it's so dumb: Intelligent creatures from across the universe go to great lengths to let humanity know they exist in an otherwise great movie called "Contact." Life from distant galaxies intelligent enough to capture our rays, translate them, then dramatically send us the blueprints for a wormhole machine, somehow found it necessary to put those blueprints on a flattened piece of origami.

Why we don't care: "Contact" was (finally) the insightful and thought provoking sci-fi movie fans had waited more than a decade for (with all due respect to "Species"). And most fans removed their Vulcan ears in honor of Carl Sagan while watching it.

Or the part where the Alien says "Hi! You can go home now, we'll get back to you later."

After spending a trillion dollars to travel half-way across the galaxy I'd be expecting a bit more than just a "hi, goodbye", at least they could offer a cup of frickin' coffee and an "I've been to Uranus!" t-shirt.

b.scheller
07-14-2004, 07:19 PM
I went to URANUS and all I got is this lousy, t-shirt

Nawlins
07-14-2004, 07:54 PM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

mocking_loudly_died
07-14-2004, 07:58 PM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

AKA Galaxy Quest

"I'm the new guy; I'm going to die!!!"

Mark Sman
07-14-2004, 08:52 PM
"Ensign Expendable please report to transporter room three. And bring equipment to analyze the porous structure of airborne boulders."

I swear though, one more chronoton particle and I'm gonna pop.

FRO
07-14-2004, 10:24 PM
In the original series, it was real easy to stay alive--never wear a red shirt. Starting with the Next Generation, that just didn't work.

And did anyone else notice the guy wearing the miniskirt in the pilot episode of Next Generation? He was wearing the same uniform mini that Troi wore in that episode. A dress? We're sending manly men into the unknown wearing a dress? I mean, I'm very secure in my masculinity, but even I'll only ever go as far as a kilt (and even then, I've got my skian dubh ready to go--and that doesn't mean what you think it means, you dirty minds).

Flagg
07-14-2004, 10:34 PM
John Hurt feels better, so opts for breakfast
"Alien"

Why it's so dumb: "Oh, thank goodness the acid-blooded crab thing fell off my face. Hey, do I smell scrambled eggs?" Despite a ship full of highly-intelligent technical and science people, the crew of the Nostromo decides not to quarantine their alien-toting buddy long enough to make sure there were no problems along the lines of, say, stomach erupting alien babies.

Why we don't care: A hundred space horror movies later, including three more "Alien" flicks, a lot don't remember how terrifying "Alien" was in 1979. And while the movie was good and creepy up to this point, the "man gives birth" scene was the moment when the movie went from just scary to the scariest movie you had ever seen.

Two things wrong with this one:

1.) Quarantine?!? He's got a big fat space bug on his face......no way is he getting on the ship.......my vote would be to blast that thing off his face with the main engines on takeoff...cause otherwise it can only end one way......ugly

2.) When the Mini-Me Alien popped out of the guy with the munchies chest I don't know about you folks......but I'd be heading to the escape pod ****to...and I don't care who I've gotta trample over to get there....you can swing around and pick me up if you all haven't been horribly killed.

Deuterium
07-14-2004, 10:43 PM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

That and when did you ever see a person get promoted?? Good lord!! Why would I stay in that service.

Seraphim
07-14-2004, 10:47 PM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

That and when did you ever see a person get promoted?? Good lord!! Why would I stay in that service.

Paris from Voyager got demoted.... :lol:

Nawlins
07-14-2004, 10:50 PM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

That and when did you ever see a person get promoted?? Good lord!! Why would I stay in that service.

Well, Cmdr. Riker did eventually get to be captain of his own ship... but I know what you mean. I still have great love for that series, though. That's the nerdiest thing about me (and no, I never went to a convention, but that's probably just because I never had the opportunity).

SpazzMunky
07-15-2004, 12:09 AM
Sorry to interrupt the Star Trek debate but....

Greedo shoots first is undoubtedly the dumbest moment in sci-fi cinema.
:bash: :bash: :bash:


Ok, you trekkies continue your conversation :P

Seraphim
07-15-2004, 12:12 AM
Now, Star Trek endlessly sending the old top officers into battle is high on my "idiotic" list. After a few weeks, Starfleet would be entirely staffed by junior enlisted personnel.

Weren't you paying attention? Only the new guy gets killed on away missions!!!

That and when did you ever see a person get promoted?? Good lord!! Why would I stay in that service.

Well, Cmdr. Riker did eventually get to be captain of his own ship... but I know what you mean. I still have great love for that series, though. That's the nerdiest thing about me (and no, I never went to a convention, but that's probably just because I never had the opportunity).

Same with Sulu.

MEGR
07-15-2004, 12:15 AM
All the storm troopers in Star wars were some of the worst shots i've ever seen. You'd think that the almighty Imperial army would train people to shoot better. Plus, why wear the armor? That didn't do crap for all them dead storm troopers. The guns had scopes, they were shooting from what, maybe 50 yards at most? I mean, I'm no storm trooper, but I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards.

Ballistic
07-15-2004, 12:28 AM
Yeah Greedo shooting first is blasphemy. Star Trek and the no promotion thing is weird, but eh not a biggy on my list. Really enjoying the Voyager box sets right now ! Great stuff !


All the storm troopers in Star wars were some of the worst shots i've ever seen. You'd think that the almighty Imperial army would train people to shoot better. Plus, why wear the armor? That didn't do crap for all them dead storm troopers. The guns had scopes, they were shooting from what, maybe 50 yards at most? I mean, I'm no storm trooper, but I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards.

So true, an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops get beaten by a handful of Rebels and little furry teddy bears !! Me -> :bash: <- George Lucas

b.scheller
07-15-2004, 12:30 AM
same goes for the tie fighter pilots...

Seraphim
07-15-2004, 12:36 AM
All the storm troopers in Star wars were some of the worst shots i've ever seen. You'd think that the almighty Imperial army would train people to shoot better. Plus, why wear the armor? That didn't do crap for all them dead storm troopers. The guns had scopes, they were shooting from what, maybe 50 yards at most? I mean, I'm no storm trooper, but I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards.

Well they are all clones. Every generation of clones are more imperfect.

Ratamacue
07-15-2004, 02:36 AM
All the storm troopers in Star wars were some of the worst shots i've ever seen. You'd think that the almighty Imperial army would train people to shoot better. Plus, why wear the armor? That didn't do crap for all them dead storm troopers. The guns had scopes, they were shooting from what, maybe 50 yards at most? I mean, I'm no storm trooper, but I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards.
The only reason that the Stormtroopers can't hit **** in the movies is because they're shooting at the heroes. If you remember the beginning scene of Episode IV, the Stormtroopers blasted their way into that Corvette and absolutely wrecked the Rebel soldiers in that hallway and only took 1 or 2 casualties. Also remember that after they found those dead Jawas, Obi-Wan said something along the lines of "only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."

Gringo
07-15-2004, 05:58 AM
John Hurt feels better, so opts for breakfast
"Alien"

Why it's so dumb: "Oh, thank goodness the acid-blooded crab thing fell off my face. Hey, do I smell scrambled eggs?" Despite a ship full of highly-intelligent technical and science people, the crew of the Nostromo decides not to quarantine their alien-toting buddy long enough to make sure there were no problems along the lines of, say, stomach erupting alien babies.

Why we don't care: A hundred space horror movies later, including three more "Alien" flicks, a lot don't remember how terrifying "Alien" was in 1979. And while the movie was good and creepy up to this point, the "man gives birth" scene was the moment when the movie went from just scary to the scariest movie you had ever seen.

Two things wrong with this one:

1.) Quarantine?!? He's got a big fat space bug on his face......no way is he getting on the ship.......my vote would be to blast that thing off his face with the main engines on takeoff...cause otherwise it can only end one way......ugly

2.) When the Mini-Me Alien popped out of the guy with the munchies chest I don't know about you folks......but I'd be heading to the escape pod ****to...and I don't care who I've gotta trample over to get there....you can swing around and pick me up if you all haven't been horribly killed.

Ash let them on the ship as he was told by the company to bring back an alien life form from the planet.

They couldn't exactly run away from the ship immediatly from what would seem to be, once it popped out of John, some little **** no bigger then the cat. If they ditched the ship and all of it's cargo, the company wouldn't pay them.

Anyway, this'll be on tonight for us Brit's.

jassemon
07-15-2004, 09:39 AM
The only reason that the Stormtroopers can't hit **** in the movies is because they're shooting at the heroes.
Exactly, it's not that the stormtroopers are bad shooters, the heroes just happen to be so good at dodging blaster fire that they don't even have to actually move :)

ronin2172
07-15-2004, 10:07 AM
besides if the stormtroopers weren't so horrible at shooting, our intrepid heroes wouldn't have made it out alive of the first movie. One thing that bothered me was how it took so long for vader to realise leia was his daughter. He sensed when kenobi arrived on the station and he sensed luke was strong in the force during the dogfight...yet leia on multiple occasions was right in front of him and he detected nothing. Several times he actually touched her and still he didn't sense anything different about her.

As for Star Trek, other than the original series, i can't stand it....how many time travel episodes can u possiably do? And how did humans come to dominate the federation and starfleet? If anyone, it should have been the vulcans. Deep Space 9 copies Babylon 5s storylines so much it's pathetic

joe mama
07-15-2004, 11:24 AM
Vader couldn't sense that Leia was his daughter because he was too busy using the force to see thru her clothes and check out her smooth dampness, lightsaber shorn of course!

ronin2172
07-15-2004, 11:59 AM
so that's y vader does all that heavy breathing....i knew he was a perv.... rofl

Midtown
07-15-2004, 01:30 PM
Vader couldn't sense that Leia was his daughter because he was too busy using the force to see thru her clothes and check out her smooth dampness, lightsaber shorn of course!

hahaa smooth dampness, im so trying that at the bars this weekend