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Palin: Canada should 'dismantle' public health care
By Lee-Anne Goodman - THE CANADIAN PRESS
WASHINGTON — Marg Delahunty has braved the wilds of the American Midwest to come face-to-face with Sarah Palin.
Comedian Mary Walsh’s beloved character button-holed the former Alaska governor at a recent book-signing in Columbus, Ohio, only to be strong-armed away from Palin by a cabal of security guards.
The action was documented on Tuesday night’s “This Hour Has 22 Minutes,” but four days later, Walsh was still marvelling at her close encounter with one of the most controversial politicians on the planet.
“We told her we’re from Canada, and we’re just looking for a few words of encouragement for the Canadian conservatives who have worked so tirelessly to destroy the socialized medicare that we have,” Walsh recalled Tuesday from St. John’s.
“Four huge big burly guys started pushing, and I pushed back, but I got her attention, and she told us to keep the faith, something like that, and said we’re all trying for the same thing.”
After being kicked out of the book-signing, Walsh and her crew then waited outside at a loading dock close to where Palin’s bus was parked. When Palin emerged from the Borders bookstore, Walsh said, Delahunty — dressed in a more toned-down version of her trademark warrior princess costume — called out to her.
“Hey, remember us, we’re the Canadians! We came all the way here from Canada!” Delahunty yelled. “When we asked you that question, we didn’t hear your answer.”
Palin strolled over, looking down on Walsh and her crew to tell them that “Canada needs to dismantle its public health-care system and allow private enterprise to get involved and turn a profit.”
“Basically, she said government should stop doing the work that private enterprise should do,” Walsh said.Article continued at http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/11/24/11913396-cp.html
<3 Marg
Basically, she said government should stop doing the work that private enterprise should do
I agree.
I'm sure it'll be edited to make the encounter funny though.
kimujnr
11-26-2009, 12:46 PM
I agree.
I'm sure it'll be edited to make the encounter funny though.
Jobu dont be like that!p-)
Mordoror
11-26-2009, 01:37 PM
Basically, she said government should stop doing the work that private enterprise should do
so, private enterprises should provide LEO for internal security, soldiers for external security, medics for healthcare, teachers for education and judges for justice
yeah basically a great idea
next elections i'll vote for Ronald McDonald, he would be a funnier president that the Cocal Cola bear ...
so, private enterprises should provide LEO for internal security, soldiers for external security, medics for healthcare, teachers for education and judges for justice
No, no, yes, yes, no.
Next question please.
Chulo
11-26-2009, 01:49 PM
so, private enterprises should provide LEO for internal security, soldiers for external security, medics for healthcare, teachers for education and judges for justice
yeah basically a great idea
next elections i'll vote for Ronald McDonald, he would be a funnier president that the Cocal Cola bear ...
No. You dont understand or know the way the U.S Constitution works.
Under the U.S Constitution the federal government should provide the military. There is a Judicial wing that provides judges and laws.
Education is relegated to the states.
Internal security is relegated to the states.
No where is it the job of the federal governments job to provide healthcare.
Delay
11-26-2009, 02:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/DC8w4DE2CwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8w4DE2CwM
No, no, yes, yes, no.
Next question please.
Why not. I live in a safe area, why should my taxes go to law enforcement that is mostly deployed in downtown and poverty stricken areas.
Let's make firefighting a for profit service like it was before. I shuoldn't pay for the misfortune/lack of attention of others. Don't have the medallion of the firefighting company on your house, thats your problem.
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 02:40 PM
Palin should mind her own F* business. Canada should and will keep its health care system, we are already seeing the greedy aspect though of doctors here in Canada. Look at BC, the private medical clinics got the H1N1 flu shots, so you have to pay to get it.
BS.
Palin, go jump off a bridge.
Palin should mind her own F* business. Canada should and will keep its health care system, we are already seeing the greedy aspect though of doctors here in Canada. Look at BC, the private medical clinics got the H1N1 flu shots, so you have to pay to get it.
BS.
Palin, go jump off a bridge.
But you don't understand, it's for profit p-)
To be fair, she was minding her own business, it's not like she came over to Canada to give a speech and besides what was she supposed to say?
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 02:46 PM
But you don't understand, it's for profit p-)
To be fair, she was minding her own business, it's not like she came over to Canada to give a speech and besides what was she supposed to say?
No she wasn't, she was spewting out what she thinks we should do, in the comfort of her own home. Most like a lot of douches on the internet.
No she wasn't, she was spewting out what she thinks we should do, in the comfort of her own home. Most like a lot of douches on the internet.
Yes she was , it was the tv show pranksters that came to see her , not the way around.
brainplay
11-26-2009, 03:05 PM
so, private enterprises should provide LEO for internal security, soldiers for external security, medics for healthcare, teachers for education and judges for justice
Blackwater, DynCorp, etc provide security services and training on all levels including K-9, EoD, and even prison related subjects. Many police dept. send their people there for training.
While barred by the Hague conventions covering mercenaries this hasn't stopped some enterprising people of attempting it in places like Africa and South America with varying success.
Private and superior level healthcare already happens within most NHS countries. You get what you pay for.
Private schools...waiting lines to get kids out of public schools.
Judges and elected officials...well they'll sell themselves for votes but I guess prostitution is considered privatized so their political prostitution would already count.
Privatization gives you specialists and experts in a field instead of general practitioners who cover many areas but are only mediocre.
Blackwater, DynCorp, etc provide security services and training on all levels including K-9, EoD, and even prison related subjects. Many police dept. send their people there for training.
While barred by the Hague conventions covering mercenaries this hasn't stopped some enterprising people of attempting it in places like Africa and South America with varying success.
Private and superior level healthcare already happens within most NHS countries. You get what you pay for.
Private schools...waiting lines to get kids out of public schools.
Judges and elected officials...well they'll sell themselves for votes but I guess prostitution is considered privatized so their political prostitution would already count.
Privatization gives you specialists and experts in a field instead of general practitioners who cover many areas but are only mediocre.
What happens when you can't afford a specialist and your life depends on that service?
I disagree that privatiztion gives you the best service all the time. Privatization, profit driven industry, not a quality driven one.
Soldat_Américain
11-26-2009, 03:16 PM
Her handlers need to shut her down regarding anything but domestic issues. We don't need her criticizing our allies.
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Her handlers need to shut her down regarding anything but domestic issues. We don't need her criticizing our allies.
I don't think she has any right to criticize anyone other then herself.
seraosha
11-26-2009, 03:22 PM
I don't think she has any right to criticize anyone other then herself.
And I think you need to STFU, eh.
Srsly, have some poutain, or however you cannucks spell it and relax.
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 03:24 PM
And I think you need to STFU, eh.
Srsly, have some poutain, or however you cannucks spell it and relax.
No, not when some douche tells us how our medical system should change, and I made my comment. And I have every right to criticize her as she does with our system.
And it is Poutine. Get it right if you want to make insults or quick combacks.
seraosha
11-26-2009, 03:37 PM
blah blah blah, eh.
You still need to lighten up, Francis.
Delay
11-26-2009, 03:38 PM
I don't think she has any right to criticize anyone other then herself.
Dont take it too seriously. Have you ever watched her interview with Katie couric. She make no sense whatsoever. They should have asked her if she could see Canada from her house instead. Shes more qualified to answer that than a question about health care.
SoftLion
11-26-2009, 04:02 PM
Her handlers need to shut her down regarding anything but domestic issues. We don't need her criticizing our allies
I bet you think Bob Ainsworth's a prick
Soldat_Américain
11-26-2009, 04:08 PM
I may, however there is a difference as Palin is not in any office currently. And even if she was still governor her position doesn't allow her to get close to foreign policy. Until she actually runs for the presidency or for a Senatorial seat she needs to keep foreign policy to herself. And as this has nothing to do with that she needs keep it to herself as well.
Mordoror
11-26-2009, 04:12 PM
No. You dont understand or know the way the U.S Constitution works.
Under the U.S Constitution the federal government should provide the military. There is a Judicial wing that provides judges and laws.
Education is relegated to the states.
Internal security is relegated to the states.
No where is it the job of the federal governments job to provide healthcare.
basically that way of functionning doesn't bothers me
states gov are still govs and thus less tempted to work ONLY on/with/for profit business
because the examples i gave purposely in my post were something where profit (especially short term profit policy) shouldn't come in consideration
everybody should have the right when newborn to be protected from criminality, foreign threats, grow up in an impartial law environment, have access to basic healthcare and basic education
after that of course it is up to everybody to take the right path and not the bad path but let's say that in a marvelous world when newborn everybody should start with good cards in hands
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 04:12 PM
blah blah blah, eh.
You still need to lighten up, Francis.
Hurr, derp derp
Dont take it too seriously. Have you ever watched her interview with Katie couric. She make no sense whatsoever. They should have asked her if she could see Canada from her house instead. Shes more qualified to answer that than a question about health care.
No. I prefer not to listen to anything that woman says. It used to be funny listening to these people, but not anymore. Sad thing too, she was a government official.
Dling
11-26-2009, 04:17 PM
No. I prefer not to listen to anything that woman says. It used to be funny listening to these people, but not anymore. Sad thing too, she was a government official.
Then ignore it and move on:roll: I don't see where the butthurt is coming from this. Someone that normally isn't/can't be taken seriously makes a comment that can't be taken seriously. Whoop-dee-doo. Guess Canada's going to change everything in our comfortable lives over this now. :roll:
Mordoror
11-26-2009, 04:23 PM
Blackwater, DynCorp, etc provide security services and training on all levels including K-9, EoD, and even prison related subjects. Many police dept. send their people there for training.
While barred by the Hague conventions covering mercenaries this hasn't stopped some enterprising people of attempting it in places like Africa and South America with varying success.
Private and superior level healthcare already happens within most NHS countries. You get what you pay for.
Private schools...waiting lines to get kids out of public schools.
Judges and elected officials...well they'll sell themselves for votes but I guess prostitution is considered privatized so their political prostitution would already count.
Privatization gives you specialists and experts in a field instead of general practitioners who cover many areas but are only mediocre.
privatization of LE and military is a concern for me
security and controled violence should stay the property of a constitued state not private interests
because private armies are a source of destabilization of the social structures of the areas where they are making interventions
after all it is their interest to keep a kind of basic level of unrest...that brings money
moreover the fact that some PMC are able to provide a little army as great as a bataillon should be/can be/is a concern for democracy
maybe not yet in states where the state army is powerful enough but for states that may (in a not so far future) be easy preys for whole private armies because they are weak and have rich ressources
concerning the privatization of scholl i am 50/50
state controlled education (at least up to a certain age) is a way to provide the very basis of knowledge and education (reading, maths, writing, history....) and every children deserves that when youngers
after that if they don't want to study and act like sh**t and drug dealers, rapists, brawlers and murderer i clearly understand parents that do not want their own child to study and grow in that kind of environment
concerning judges well as you say that's a kind of realpolitik unfortunately
concerning healthcare you already know the abuse of the private companies (throwing you of coverage just when you need it because you have an expensive disease by finding a little little bias in your contract)
i am not basically against a private healthcare, i am against the way it is implemented and the abuse done
sepheronx
11-26-2009, 04:26 PM
Then ignore it and move on:roll: I don't see where the butthurt is coming from this. Someone that normally isn't/can't be taken seriously makes a comment that can't be taken seriously. Whoop-dee-doo. Guess Canada's going to change everything in our comfortable lives over this now. :roll:
No, I am just sick and tired of the average american to even politician knocking down our health system. I prefer to have it over being left in the dark when I am sick. It just struck a nerve I suppose.
Dling
11-26-2009, 04:46 PM
No, I am just sick and tired of the average american to even politician knocking down our health system. I prefer to have it over being left in the dark when I am sick. It just struck a nerve I suppose.
Just remember in the end it affects us in no way and in the end it's a two way road. Don't know about our politicians but theres plenty of Canadians ready to bash everything American too :). Can't keep everyone happy after all.
SoftLion
11-26-2009, 04:49 PM
Soldat -
As far as I know, she can say whatever she wants, whatwith that pesky first amendment.
Just remember in the end it affects us in no way and in the end it's a two way road. Don't know about our politicians but theres plenty of Canadians ready to bash everything American too :). Can't keep everyone happy after all.
x2 Just talk to a university student :)
oldsoak
11-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Her handlers need to shut her down regarding anything but domestic issues. We don't need her criticizing our allies.
I 'd go with that. and I'd say the same of Canadian politician having a go at the US system in the USA.
Agree or not, a public health service is pretty much a cornerstone of the Canadian ideal, so wtf is she doing gassing off about it as a non citizen ? She paying Canadian taxes towards it ? no ? then eff off.
Is she trying to push US companies to provide that service in Canada ? - someone surprise me :roll:
plato
11-26-2009, 05:47 PM
Why just Canada? Doesn't she know 500 million people of developed nations have public healthcare. She should tell all those 500 million people to dismantle their public health care, and be like us. Pay twice as much and get the best health care in the world.
Also, what is up with "common sense"? Common sense used to tell people earth was flat. What did Einstein say about common sense?
I love em Canadians, they do good job on Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/QbEwKcs-7Hc
btw, who here bought her book? Good read?
seraosha
11-26-2009, 05:51 PM
Still reading...kind of slow going.
I get bored and go do something else like surf the net, and poof...hours are gone.
Derbedeu
11-26-2009, 06:40 PM
Palin is an idiot.
That is all.
oldsoak
11-26-2009, 06:50 PM
"Palin unifies Canada" :lol:
CanadianStormtrooper
11-26-2009, 07:16 PM
I've had multiple broken arms,
Reconstructive shoulder surgery when I was 18 with broken ligaments and muscle that needed to be reattached and socket reconstruction. (hockey injury)
and have never had a single pain or problem.
tell this to My Dad who had a TRIPLE bypass and a Valve replacement in the same operation two years ago and is feeling the best he ever has been.
Things are working, rolling and happening just fine.
I wish Sarah Palin would go screw herself.
And has no idea what she is talking about.
fu**cking w*h*o*r*e
Shes so ****ing Ignorant.
It seems for those on the 'far right' can never get proper facts. Info is jumbled, get mixed information or bring only a Tiny percentage of the truth.
gaijinsamurai
11-26-2009, 07:20 PM
Agree.
I hate it when foreigners bitch about America's supposed "gun problem". We ought to butt out of their business as well.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-26-2009, 07:26 PM
"Palin unifies Canada" :lol:
Heck yeah brother.
Rossdobby
11-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Man I hate her straight up hates a strong word but its crucial to get my point across. Even though she wasn't spewing this rhetoric and merely answering a question I still strongly disagree with her.
I believe every citizen has a Right to Healthcare regardless of Race, Age, Gender, ****** Orientation or Status. In order to live free and prosper you need healthcare it gives everyone an equal chance at life. With out it in a private healthcare system not everyone is truly equal. Does it not say in the U.S. Constitution that everyman is created equal and deserves the chance at Life, Liberty and Freedom?
In order to thrive and have a healthy population you need universal health coverage. Yes selective surgeries should be private and would be paid out through your pocket and not the governments.
Remember medical treatment is expensive those who cannot afford it go into debt. Usually they go bankrupt. I remember reading somewhere that roughly 60% of U.S. forclosures were because of high medical bills.
Just my opinion.
Now sarah palin should just **** off. She has no idea what Canada is like. I like public healthcare. I can go into any hospital in canada with just my ID and they can help me. They can have my medical files in under 2 minutes. Now depending why I am there It can be a wait but usually not to bad. Well except now with flu season everyone freaking out. The doctors office is usually very prompt if I need stitchs or a have a not to severe break They treat me right away with no wait.
I pay $0 for my healthcare and I never have to worry about it. Sounds like a Damn good deal and no greedy capitalists running the show. Its all doctors doing it here. I feel very safe.
SkyUS
11-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Man I hate her straight up hates a strong word but its crucial to get my point across. Even though she wasn't spewing this rhetoric and merely answering a question I still strongly disagree with her.
I believe every citizen has a Right to Healthcare regardless of Race, Age, Gender, ****** Orientation or Status. In order to live free and prosper you need healthcare it gives everyone an equal chance at life. With out it in a private healthcare system not everyone is truly equal. Does it not say in the U.S. Constitution that everyman is created equal and deserves the chance at Life, Liberty and Freedom?
In order to thrive and have a healthy population you need universal health coverage. Yes selective surgeries should be private and would be paid out through your pocket and not the governments.
Remember medical treatment is expensive those who cannot afford it go into debt. Usually they go bankrupt. I remember reading somewhere that roughly 60% of U.S. forclosures were because of high medical bills.
Just my opinion.
Now sarah palin should just **** off. She has no idea what Canada is like. I like public healthcare. I can go into any hospital in canada with just my ID and they can help me. They can have my medical files in under 2 minutes. Now depending why I am there It can be a wait but usually not to bad. Well except now with flu season everyone freaking out. The doctors office is usually very prompt if I need stitchs or a have a not to severe break They treat me right away with no wait.
I pay $0 for my healthcare and I never have to worry about it. Sounds like a Damn good deal and no greedy capitalists running the show. Its all doctors doing it here. I feel very safe.
Shut up you commie!!! We ' merickans are only capitalist, hur hur!!!!p-):)
plato
11-26-2009, 07:52 PM
Man I hate her straight up hates a strong word but its crucial to get my point across. Even though she wasn't spewing this rhetoric and merely answering a question I still strongly disagree with her.
I believe every citizen has a Right to Healthcare regardless of Race, Age, Gender, ****** Orientation or Status. In order to live free and prosper you need healthcare it gives everyone an equal chance at life. With out it in a private healthcare system not everyone is truly equal. Does it not say in the U.S. Constitution that everyman is created equal and deserves the chance at Life, Liberty and Freedom?
In order to thrive and have a healthy population you need universal health coverage. Yes selective surgeries should be private and would be paid out through your pocket and not the governments.
Remember medical treatment is expensive those who cannot afford it go into debt. Usually they go bankrupt. I remember reading somewhere that roughly 60% of U.S. forclosures were because of high medical bills.
Just my opinion.
Now sarah palin should just **** off. She has no idea what Canada is like. I like public healthcare. I can go into any hospital in canada with just my ID and they can help me. They can have my medical files in under 2 minutes. Now depending why I am there It can be a wait but usually not to bad. Well except now with flu season everyone freaking out. The doctors office is usually very prompt if I need stitchs or a have a not to severe break They treat me right away with no wait.
I pay $0 for my healthcare and I never have to worry about it. Sounds like a Damn good deal and no greedy capitalists running the show. Its all doctors doing it here. I feel very safe.
come on! we pay twice as much as you Canadians on healthcare. So, our healthcare must be better than yours.
budgie
11-26-2009, 09:50 PM
Basically, she said government should stop doing the work that private enterprise should do,” Walsh said.
Yeah so big American insurers - the same ones that lobby her party relentlessly and will no doubt fund her unpresidential campaign - can step in and make evryone pay through the spleen for it. You Canucks up for that?
shoora
11-27-2009, 04:37 AM
I think she is just trying to open new markets for US insurance companies, which may loose some domestic market share to the goverment. Isn't it?
Actually these talks in Canada is going for quite a long time. Every time Canadian lobbyists of private health care pointing fingers at "successful" experience in US. I feel some irony. In a same time many Americans considering their health care system completely f...up.
martinexsquaddie
11-27-2009, 07:12 AM
america has the best healthcare in the world period.
unfortunatly not everyone can access said healthcare
danielc
11-27-2009, 10:43 AM
No thank you! Americans can keep their system and in Canada we keep ours.
shiftypowpow
11-27-2009, 10:49 AM
I pay $0 for my healthcare
Freeloader.
Freeloader.Well, not quite...he is still paying for it via taxes. p-)
Chulo
11-27-2009, 01:47 PM
basically that way of functionning doesn't bothers me
states gov are still govs and thus less tempted to work ONLY on/with/for profit business
because the examples i gave purposely in my post were something where profit (especially short term profit policy) shouldn't come in consideration
everybody should have the right when newborn to be protected from criminality, foreign threats, grow up in an impartial law environment, have access to basic healthcare and basic education
after that of course it is up to everybody to take the right path and not the bad path but let's say that in a marvelous world when newborn everybody should start with good cards in hands
Well if you want those rights, find a different country. Because the basis of what the United States Constitution does not support your views. Life, Liberty and Freedom. Those are the guaranteed rights. If you want to understand the basis of what the ideal social system and rights, read John Locke's "Two Treatise of Government" treatise two, Chapter 5.
Chulo
11-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Yeah so big American insurers - the same ones that lobby her party relentlessly and will no doubt fund her unpresidential campaign - can step in and make evryone pay through the spleen for it. You Canucks up for that?
Insurance agencies that can not effectively use the most economical and consumer friendly system because of the restrictions that the Government puts into place. Because of the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 put inplace by a Democrat Congress.
Soldat_Américain
11-27-2009, 01:58 PM
Chulo...the basis of the constitution can support almost anything with the elastic clause. And John Locke said Life, Liberty and Property...not freedom.
Chulo
11-27-2009, 03:49 PM
Chulo...the basis of the constitution can support almost anything with the elastic clause. And John Locke said Life, Liberty and Property...not freedom.
Life Liberty and Freedom from the constitution, not Locke. I mentioned Locke for the basis of an ideal social system and rights as envisioned by the founders/
khukuri
11-27-2009, 08:50 PM
I hate palin, but this is a mountain of a molehill case...
Mastermind
11-27-2009, 09:56 PM
Dump the medical free thingy...even though it bankrupts the nation and still does not work....? Are you nuts?
CMNot
11-27-2009, 10:02 PM
Dump the medical free thingy...even though it bankrupts the nation and still does not work....? Are you nuts?
Yes then we could all live a nice shorter life, like an American.
Your ignorance is only matched by your stupidity. Both are mightily impressive, even by the lofty standards of mp.net.
Mastermind
11-27-2009, 10:14 PM
Yes then we could all live a nice shorter life, like an American.
Your ignorance is only matched by your stupidity. Both are mightily impressive, even by the lofty standards of mp.net.
WTF? So...I hit a nerve..Hmm...rather sensitive about that "medical Free Thingy" there, are ya?
Wonder why so many Canuks are rushing down here to the mean old USA to get their spinal tumors cut out and their liver transplants done....Oh, yeah...that's right...cause in Canada they have to wait like...yeah...a whole life time to get those things done there for free.
plato
11-27-2009, 10:58 PM
WTF? So...I hit a nerve..Hmm...rather sensitive about that "medical Free Thingy" there, are ya?
Wonder why so many Canuks are rushing down here to the mean old USA to get their spinal tumors cut out and their liver transplants done....Oh, yeah...that's right...cause in Canada they have to wait like...yeah...a whole life time to get those things done there for free.
First, Canadian health care is NOT free. It just cost less than American ones.
2nd, Americans go overseas to get their liver transplants, etc...Yeah, they go to countries like India and Thailand, so what is your point? India and Thailand got better health care than US?
Hollis
11-27-2009, 11:03 PM
WTF? So...I hit a nerve..Hmm...rather sensitive about that "medical Free Thingy" there, are ya?
Wonder why so many Canuks are rushing down here to the mean old USA to get their spinal tumors cut out and their liver transplants done....Oh, yeah...that's right...cause in Canada they have to wait like...yeah...a whole life time to get those things done there for free.
Every system have it's pros and cons. IMHO a mix between Canada and the US style would work better than both. It would offer incentives and choices while still providing basic needs.
Also, Palin is a Alaskan, I could care less what she says, because I don't live in that state. Kind of amazing people in another country would even notice some American politician playing to their constituency.
stonecutter
11-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Wonder why so many Canuks are rushing down here to the mean old USA to get their spinal tumors cut out and their liver transplants done....Oh, yeah...that's right...cause in Canada they have to wait like...yeah...a whole life time to get those things done there for free.
We may cross the border to get non life-threatening procedures done (like hip replacements) for which we do have to wait for fvking ever... but on the other hand we also don't have to mortgage the house or go bankrupt if we have a heart attack or get cancer. Best of both worlds IMO is France's medical system, a mix of both social and private medicine. Get everything done in no time, at reasonable cost.
budgie
11-28-2009, 04:37 AM
Insurance agencies that can not effectively use the most economical and consumer friendly system because of the restrictions that the Government puts into place. Because of the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 put inplace by a Democrat Congress.
Insurance agencies are not interested in the most economical system, only the most profitable. That's what they're fighting tooth and nail for.
Havoc345
11-28-2009, 05:00 AM
Insurance agencies are not interested in the most economical system, only the most profitable. That's what they're fighting tooth and nail for.
Damn those evil insurance companies, why can't government straighten them out !!! Government is always working for the common good...right..:-( Then never ever engage in rentseeking like any other firm. :bash:
Vandervahn
11-28-2009, 12:27 PM
america has the best healthcare in the world period.
unfortunatly not everyone can access said healthcare
Then it cannot have the best healthcare. One could say it has a health club.
Problem is, you can choose when and if to play golf. You cannot choose when and if to fall sick.
Ivan le Fou
11-28-2009, 12:54 PM
I have paid 0€ to get cured from my tumour.
Thanks to the social security I am giving money to.
I guess that if I was living in the US I would have had to pay quiet a huge amount of money.
Clayton Gold
11-28-2009, 01:00 PM
A lot of people on both sides of the issue talking about things they know nothing about.
Mountain of a molehill post was right-on.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:09 PM
WTF? So...I hit a nerve..Hmm...rather sensitive about that "medical Free Thingy" there, are ya?
Wonder why so many Canuks are rushing down here to the mean old USA to get their spinal tumors cut out and their liver transplants done....Oh, yeah...that's right...cause in Canada they have to wait like...yeah...a whole life time to get those things done there for free.
You sound like a douche, don't know all the facts.
It's the best of both worlds, depending on whats needed to be done.
Some of your doctors are better and more experienced in some fields, also sometimes they just don't do certain procedures here. The rich like to go down to your side and get a procedure done every once in awhile.
If you had to wait 4-6 months for something that is bothering you in a daily routine like a knee replacement, people sometimes tend to go somewhere else and get it done..whatever.
It beats going broke.
If it's life threatening, they get you to the front of the line asap.
Lately more private practices have sprung up with their own X-ray and MRI Machines, which is very good and helps speed things along.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:17 PM
It's rather amusing, our healthcare is getting questioned
Meanwhile our good friends down south are in a disastrous debacle
shocker1
11-28-2009, 01:23 PM
It's rather amusing, our healthcare is getting questioned
Meanwhile our good friends down south are in a disastrous debacle
Really? How would you know? How much are your taxes, how much is my insurance? My insurance runs around $200 a month for medical, eye and dental. I am a cancer survivor, melanoma to be exact. The bill was $1000 plus some for meds.
Canadians seem happy with what they have, I think a single payer system would be great it is the politics that will use such a system in this country as a football that worries me. Sadly the current legislation is far from that. Instead it requires 300,000,000 plus to buy insurance or choose from one of four public plans. Nothing fair, gifts for the same insurance companies all the while preventing hospitals from adding beds. Things are not simple and you have no idea what we have here other than the **** you read and see on the TV. Mind your own as Palin should.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:31 PM
Really? How would you know? How much are your taxes, how much is my insurance? My insurance runs around $200 a month for medical, eye and dental. I am a cancer survivor, melanoma to be exact. The bill was $1000 plus some for meds.
Canadians seem happy with what they have, I think a single payer system would be great it is the politics that will use such a system in this country as a football that worries me. Sadly the current legislation is far from that. Instead it requires 300,000,000 plus to buy insurance or choose from one of four public plans. Nothing fair, gifts for the same insurance companies all the while preventing hospitals from adding beds. Things are not simple and you have no idea what we have here other than the **** you read and see on the TV. Mind you own as Palin should.
Agreed.
I pay 40 dollars twice a year for my new Generation X plan. The Blue Cross has just implemented it in August. Besides a dental bill every once in awhile depending on the work that's done **** all.
And we get enough proper information to know whats going on down there. Remember this now, I live 40 mins from the boarder.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Right now it depends on the State you live in on how much rates are. It is not a good system but so far politicians are the only ones driving up cost through medicare negotiated rates. The off set is passed on to people like me in the form of higher insurance. I have already received a notice from BCBSGA that my rates will go up next year.
I'd support single payer if it was handled like a business not an issue for the elections we have every two years. Medicare is working, my grandmother is proof but how costs are handled is unfair and government spending priorities do not reflect the so called health crisis.
Dentists rob Americans, nuff said there.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Yeah man. Your 100% right.
This is what gets me. The people involved are making this situation into more of a mess politically, it's not right.
I couldn't imagine the out of pocket cost to overhaul and change the healthcare system at this point...makes me cringe :S
We here in Canada really are feeling for you guys right now, trust me.
Which is what led me to this comment..
"It's rather amusing, our healthcare is getting questioned
Meanwhile our good friends down south are in a disastrous debacle"
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:43 PM
I've had multiple broken arms,
Reconstructive shoulder surgery when I was 18 with broken ligaments and muscle that needed to be reattached and socket reconstruction. (hockey injury)
and have never had a single pain or problem.
My Dad who had a TRIPLE bypass and a Valve replacement in the same operation two years ago and is feeling the best he ever has been.
Things are working, rolling and happening just fine.
Small payments are working here, and the waiting times aren't that bad as people suggest.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 01:46 PM
It's not as bad as it's being portrayed. Poor have free healthcare, the old payed for theirs over the years of work, the disabled have SSI as well as the old retires. Paid by them. What is bad is if i loose my coverage I would have a tough time finding more at such a rate. The current bill addresses that, too bad the rest of the bill negates any good. It would be nice to never worry about money when you get hurt or sick. It is what it is and i would support universal coverage with a fair tax structure. My good fortune should help others it is the Christian way. People praising Obama and the Dems or those touting the Rep line do not see that they have no intention of making such a fair and humane system. it is a big lie and people are buying it. God help us.
plato
11-28-2009, 01:54 PM
It's not as bad as it's being portrayed. Poor have free healthcare, the old payed for theirs over the years of work, the disabled have SSI as well as the old retires. Paid by them. What is bad is if i loose my coverage I would have a tough time finding more at such a rate. The current bill addresses that, too bad the rest of the bill negates any good. It would be nice to never worry about money when you get hurt or sick. It is what it is and i would support universal coverage with a fair tax structure. My good fortune should help others it is the Christian way. People praising Obama and the Dems or those touting the Rep line do not see that they have no intention of making such a fair and humane system. it is a big lie and people are buying it. God help us.
Just like there is no "free healthcare" in Canada, there is no such thing in America, either. The Canadian health care cost less than American ones, and that is why they can afford to cover everyone. The same is true for all other developed nations except US.
Rossdobby
11-28-2009, 01:56 PM
Im not a freeloader because I get free healthcare do you have any idea what I pay in taxes. Not only do I pay 5% on everything I purchase except gas. I make roughly $8000 a month before taxes $2500 of that goes straight to the government and then I usually get back like $4000 every year from taxes. That means I pay roughly $25,000 a year.
Now knowing that its nearly impossible for me to fall through the social safety net priceless.
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 01:59 PM
Im not a freeloader because I get free healthcare do you have any idea what I pay in taxes. Not only do I pay 5% on everything I purchase except gas. I make roughly $8000 a month before taxes $2500 of that goes straight to the government and then I usually get back like $4000 every year from taxes. That means I pay roughly $25,000 a year.
Now knowing that its nearly impossible for me to fall through the social safety net priceless.
Alberta has a very high cost of living, enough said.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 02:00 PM
Just like there is no "free healthcare" in Canada, there is no such thing in America, either. The Canadian health care cost less than American ones, and that is why they can afford to cover everyone. The same is true for all other developed nations except US.
The US has a huge influx of untaxed people overwhelming the system. Imagine what will happen under the current legislation, limits on hospital expansion and the like. It be best just to leave things alone. Prime examples are in every public hospital in the nation. The mentality of the freeloaders in our system would abuse it to oblivion. No easy answers and anyone saying any one thing will solve our ills is self deluded.
After tax refunds most Americans pay no taxes or very little in comparison to countries with a single payer system so you can see what will happen. So it is free if you pay no taxes and no cost for your healthcare.
plato
11-28-2009, 02:07 PM
The US has a huge influx of untaxed people overwhelming the system. Imagine what will happen under the current legislation, limits on hospital expansion and the like. It be best just to leave things alone. Prime examples are in every public hospital in the nation. The mentality of the freeloaders in our system would abuse it to oblivion. No easy answers and anyone saying any one thing will solve our ills is self deluded.
After tax refunds most Americans pay no taxes or very little in comparrison to countries with a single payer system so you can see what will happen.
I don't see the main problem is with the people who are paying or not paying (tax, insurance, etc...) The main problem is cost. Our health care cost TWICE as much as what all other developed nations pay. They also pay for their health care through tax, insurance, etc...
CanadianStormtrooper
11-28-2009, 02:09 PM
I don't see the main problem is with the people who are paying or not paying (tax, insurance, etc...) The main problem is cost. Our health care cost TWICE as much as what all other developed nations pay. They also pay for their health care through tax, insurance, etc...
Exactly....
Like I said for my insurance, I pay 40$s Bi-Annually (twice a year)
shocker1
11-28-2009, 02:11 PM
I don't see the main problem is with the people who are paying or not paying (tax, insurance, etc...) The main problem is cost. Our health care cost TWICE as much as what all other developed nations pay. They also pay for their health care through tax, insurance, etc...
We have more people using the entitlement system which causes medicare/medicaid to negotiate rates under law which increases the cost for those paying out of pocket. Our system pays the profit off sets to the international corporations that develop medical technology and pharmaceuticals.That is the problem. Profit driven business must make money somewhere and with Stormtrooper biannual $40 how much do people like us here have to pay?
The old saying rob Peter to pay Paul applies.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 02:19 PM
America is wealthy enough to have a single payer system with modest increase in taxes. The spending priorities would have to be changed drastically. Such changes will be hard for the most wealthy in our country. The ones running for office and the ones funding their campaigns to be exact which is why the propaganda scares us with nightmares in Europe and poor Canadians running the border to get a help. All of which are lies, just as this health care legislation in congress is a bait and switch.
plato
11-28-2009, 02:20 PM
We have more people using the entitlement system which causes medicare/medicaid to negotiate rates under law which increases the cost for those paying out of pocket. Our system pays the profit off sets to the international corporations that develop medical technology and pharmaceuticals.That is the problem. Profit driven business must make money somewhere and with Stormtrooper biannual $40 how much do people like us here have to pay?
The old saying rob Peter to pay Paul applies.
How do we have more people on the "entitlement system"? There are 500 million people living in other developed nations. We have about 300 million people in US.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 02:22 PM
How do we have more people on the "entitlement system"? There are 500 million people living in other developed nations. We have about 300 million people in US.
Which one nation under one system has that size population? Which of these have the low taxes we have? None. Like I said we can have that, the wealthy among us do not want us to have it. Healthcare is a cash cow here and as addictive to politicians as crack.
What ever reasoning we have I think we both agree that we can have a single payer system. Where the wealthier you are the more you support it. My point was the rich do not want to be charitable unless they can right it off their taxes.
plato
11-28-2009, 02:29 PM
Which one nation under one system has that size population? Which of these have the low taxes we have? None. Like I said we can have that, the wealthy among us do not want us to have it. Healthcare is a cash cow here and as addictive to politicians as crack.
You do expect those 500 million people to pay for their "free healthcare", right? Like I said we all pay for our healthcare the SAME way (tax, insurance, etc...). The main difference is that their healthcare cost less, much less than ours.
shocker1
11-28-2009, 02:34 PM
You do expect those 500 million people to pay for their "free healthcare", right? Like I said we all pay for our healthcare the SAME way (tax, insurance, etc...). The main difference is that their healthcare cost less, much less than ours.
Ok why does it cost more? Because we as a western nation without that type system have the losses dumped on us by those industries off setting the losses elsewhere. Then these industries threaten us saying quality will suffer if we do this. I am not against it, I am pointing out why we don't have it and why we pay so much more. Medicare pays less than cost in many cases leaving people like me paying huge prices or insurance to off set that. Simple economics.
oldsoak
11-28-2009, 03:15 PM
Hang on.
In Canada, you can, if you wish , have private healthcare. I am not aware that it is against the law to have private health insurance. They even have private hospitals, I am told :-P
If Canuckstanis can ignore the public system and go private by choice, why is it of great interest to those outside of Canuckistan to want the public system dismantled ? Someone please tell Palin that her cry from the heart is quite unecessary, Canadians are till free to choose private health if they so desire. Its a red maple leaf on their flag, not a hammer and sickle, Ms Palin, calm down...
Kletterbuxe
11-29-2009, 06:08 AM
Same here in Germany. You can get private healthcare by choice. It offers some advantages like getting quicker apointments but thats about it. We also have alot of private clinics but the public system works pretty fine.
budgie
11-29-2009, 08:00 AM
Damn those evil insurance companies, why can't government straighten them out !!! Government is always working for the common good...right..:-( Then never ever engage in rentseeking like any other firm. :bash:
Actually even with my limited knowlegde of Obamacare I can say this is where they got it wrong. they shouldn't be trying to police the insurance agencies: instead they shoudl be seeking to undercut them with a free/subsidised public option. Then just let the 'free market' do the rest...
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