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Ordie
11-27-2009, 03:13 AM
Life's tough, UC students, get used to it

Ruben Navarrette Jr. (postchat@aol.com)
Thursday, November 26, 2009
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When the make-love-not-war generation finally got around to having kids, they were so proud of their accomplishment that they fawned over the little darlings and protectively adorned their minivans with yellow caution signs that warned of precious cargo: "Baby on Board."
Now, after many years of being told they were special and entitled to endless conveniences and a life without turmoil, the children are grown up. And the University of California system, which has recently endured student protests and arrests over a fee hike, has to contend with the byproduct: Brats at the Gates.
The protests erupted after UC regents voted to increase tuition by 32 percent to help close a $535 million budget gap. University officials say the fee increase will raise $505 million and prevent more cuts into student services.
Hundreds of students have turned out at campuses throughout the state. Fourteen students were arrested at UCLA, where the regents were meeting. Forty-one were arrested at UC Berkeley. More than 50 students were arrested at UC Davis. And about 70 occupied a university building at UC Santa Cruz for three days, before finally evacuating when threatened with arrest. Officials say some of those students may still be arrested and charged with damaging university property.
The first phase of the fee increase, which takes effect in January, will raise tuition for the system's more than 170,000 undergraduates to $8,373. The second phase kicks in during fall 2010, raising tuition to $10,302. Graduate students will also be required to pay more. But university officials claim that students whose families make less than $70,000 a year will have their tuition covered. UC officials also insist that a third of the income from the undergraduate fee hikes and half of the extra graduate fees would go toward funding more financial aid for needy students.
Still, there's no denying that a 32 percent fee increase is quite a shock, and that students have a right to be upset. After all, this year, tuition and fees at four-year public universities around the country increased an average of 6.5 percent from the previous school year, according to the College Board.
Moreover, those of us who complain that the Twitter generation is apathetic should be encouraged that students finally awoke and took to the streets - for any cause at all.
And so the protesters might actually have come out of this looking good - if they had never opened their mouths. But they did, and some of what came out was ludicrous. The rest was downright offensive, especially when students broke out in choruses of "We Shall Overcome."
UC Irvine freshman Suzanne Kordi told the regents in public comment: "This isn't Wall Street, and the UC students are not here to bail you out. We're here to get an education. If these fee increases are approved, I will not be able to afford my education." UCLA law student Kenia Acevedo added: "Fees are going to be so high that people are not going to be able to attend this institution. It is a devastation to what is supposed to be a public institution." And Victor Sanchez, president of the UC Student Association, chimed in with this gem: "These proposals are egregious, to say the very least. The dreams of so many are being shattered as we speak."
That's what bothers me. These kids obviously can't take a punch. How are they supposed to compete one day - not just in the United States but also around the globe? Life is full of disappointments, challenges and setbacks. They had better get used to it. And yet there is all this talk about how students will have to drop out of school now that fees went up.
Have these young people never heard of a job? I don't suppose they have, since the human resource managers I know tell me that when they look at resumes for twentysomethings, they usually find very little work experience - summer jobs, after-school jobs, etc. Twenty years ago, when I was in college, I worked 20 hours a week in addition to going to class. Twenty years before that, my father obtained his bachelor's degree through night school while working a 40-hour week. Those stories aren't unusual. Plenty of other Americans have their own versions.
If attending college is a priority, then you do what you have to do. And if your dreams shatter so easily, then maybe they weren't that durable to begin with. So the loss was negligible
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[WDW]Megaraptor
11-27-2009, 08:37 AM
UC officials also insist that a third of the income from the undergraduate fee hikes and half of the extra graduate fees would go toward funding more financial aid for needy students.

This is a problem with college tuition in a lot of places. The college raises tuition to fund more financial aid, which then raises the cost of college, so they need more money for financial aid, so they raise the cost even more to pay for that, which creates a need for more financial aid due to the higher price, and so on.

GregHJ
11-27-2009, 04:17 PM
Ruben Navarrette Jr. can be such a prick sometimes. The students at UC shouldn't have to foot the bill for the incompetence of their state government. UC is a state college and should be affordable. For the most part, the student protesters at UC were probably not the spoiled rich kids who have never worked an honest day in their lives. Most of them come from your average middles class family who probably are working jobs to support their tuition.

brainplay
11-29-2009, 06:58 AM
Ruben Navarrette Jr. can be such a prick sometimes. The students at UC shouldn't have to foot the bill for the incompetence of their state government. UC is a state college and should be affordable.

The State college is affordable because of the government. The students owe that affordability to state and its funding. In this case the funding is unavailable. Tough..


For the most part, the student protesters at UC were probably not the spoiled rich kids who have never worked an honest day in their lives. Most of them come from your average middles class family who probably are working jobs to support their tuition.

You don't have to be rich to be spoiled. There are other schools available. If you can't afford to go to school there then you find somewhere else. That applies to cars, houses, and just about any other thing.

The guy makes a point...I just can't believe this is in sfgate. I'm surprised they haven't beat him to death with organic tofu by now.

Ordie
11-29-2009, 10:47 AM
The guy makes a point...I just can't believe this is in sfgate. I'm surprised they haven't beat him to death with organic tofu by now.

Navarette is a syndicated columnist from San Diego.

eskachig
11-30-2009, 12:12 AM
The State college is affordable because of the government. The students owe that affordability to state and its funding. In this case the funding is unavailable. Tough..

You don't have to be rich to be spoiled. There are other schools available. If you can't afford to go to school there then you find somewhere else. That applies to cars, houses, and just about any other thing.The people who are protesting are the students who are already there, and advocating simply dropping out and starting over is a little callous. I think that the students are pretty justified to be angry about their tuitions going up 30%. In the end, this is the only thing they can do.

deagle
12-18-2009, 02:27 AM
they should've raised taxes first. if they can get away with that on college kids being financial hostages, what won't they do when they're citizens ? its the same in NY also.

BloodyTalon
12-18-2009, 02:48 AM
they should've raised taxes first. if they can get away with that on college kids being financial hostages, what won't they do when they're citizens ? its the same in NY also.
Yeah, cuz the taxes here just aren't high enough already. :roll:

The government here has essentially put themselves in a nice little Catch-22 where any measure to pay off the dept will blow up in their face. They just chose the measure that would only lead to whiny college kids with entitlement issues, as opposed to, say, having people and business move out en mass because the taxes are so damn high.

Course, I could be biased since I go to a private college with a tuition so high it would make the kids at UC Berkeley wail hysterically like Palestinian women in front of rubble.

deagle
12-18-2009, 04:03 AM
hmm, them politicians never talk about 32 % salary cuts now do they ?

so college costs go up, and financial aid goes down ??

BloodyTalon
12-18-2009, 04:18 AM
hmm, them politicians never talk about 32 % salary cuts now do they ?

so college costs go up, and financial aid goes down ??
And there's one of the problem with my state; the government sucks.

AH-NOLD is more concerned with his personal governmental pet projects rather than the nitty-gritty of bureaucracy. The legislature, meanwhile, are a bunch of self-serving fossils who have done sweet bugger-all this past decade but have the ultimate job security because their actions (or inaction) flies completely under the radar here. Furthermore, the only thing that keeps them in their position is by curtailing to the unions and constituents that will quickly change the as soon as their government funding dries up and they switchover to a low-grade politician who will get their funding back.

brainplay
12-18-2009, 10:15 PM
The people who are protesting are the students who are already there, and advocating simply dropping out and starting over is a little callous. I think that the students are pretty justified to be angry about their tuitions going up 30%. In the end, this is the only thing they can do.

I'm sympathetic to a protest. I have nothing for contempt for those that barricade themselves in school buildings and interrupt other student's classes. Especially those who's last semester classes, due to the increase, are in those buildings. Let's not even forget their conduct during this and other protests. The crap pulled during the Oak Grove protest and now this?

Fence them in, let them fight to the death for meager supplies, and make a reality show covering it so that the profits can cover the price hike. I'd love to see some hippies fight it out in Thunderdome.

James
12-18-2009, 10:46 PM
Ruben Navarrette Jr. can be such a prick sometimes. The students at UC shouldn't have to foot the bill for the incompetence of their state government. UC is a state college and should be affordable. For the most part, the student protesters at UC were probably not the spoiled rich kids who have never worked an honest day in their lives. Most of them come from your average middles class family who probably are working jobs to support their tuition.

GI Bill worked for me. Some of these kids need to harden the f*** up.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-18-2009, 11:03 PM
The four-year college degree has come to cost too much and prove too little. It's now a bad deal for the average student, family, employer, professor and taxpayer.

A student who secures a degree is increasingly unlikely to make up its cost, despite higher pay, as I'll show. The employer who requires a degree puts faith in a system whose standards, you'll see, are slipping. Too many professors who are bound to degree teaching can't truly profess; they don't proclaim loudly the things they know but instead whisper them to a chosen few, whom they must then accommodate with inflated grades. Worst of all, bright citizens spend their lives not knowing the things they ought to know, because they've been granted liberal-arts degrees for something far short of a liberal-arts education.

I'm not arguing against higher learning but for it -- and against the degree system that stands in its way. If that offends, read on, then post a comment at the bottom of this page.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/CutCollegeCosts/is-a-college-degree-worthless.aspx


Employers and career experts see a growing problem in American society — an abundance of college graduates, many burdened with tuition-loan debt, heading into the work world with a degree that doesn't mean much anymore.

The problem isn't just a soft job market — it's an oversupply of graduates. In 1973, a bachelor's degree was more of a rarity, since just 47% of high school graduates went on to college. By October 2008, that number had risen to nearly 70%. For many Americans today, a trip through college is considered as much of a birthright as a driver's license.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1946088,00.html

Everyone I know who went to college is absolutely crippled with debt and are avoiding debt collectors. They have problems getting a job in the field they studied for due to people now being forced to work longer due to retirement savings taking a hit in the stock market.

szr
12-18-2009, 11:43 PM
Just goes to show how uncreative some of today's university students have become. Back in the day savvy students would have legged it out at a Cal State school then transferred over to a UC school or private school to finish up their degree.

Ordie
12-19-2009, 11:07 AM
Everyone I know who went to college is absolutely crippled with debt and are avoiding debt collectors. They have problems getting a job in the field they studied for due to people now being forced to work longer due to retirement savings taking a hit in the stock market.

What pisses me off is that many get college or advanced degrees only to end up working at Starbucks.

The one profession that any college grad can get is that of being a teacher. The problem is that we have 4,000 individual school districts within California, the pay is lousy, barriers of job entry is high with restrictive credentials, and where career development is lacking.