Recent Waffentauchergruppe pic's.

[He219]

http://www.deutschemarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/Docname/themen_struktur_Unterstuetzung_stuetzpunkte_eckernfoerde_stuetzpunkt_Start.htm/$FILE/stuetzpunktbild.jpg
Marinestützpunktkommando Eckernförde

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794178.jpg?size=67&uid={4738e81a-cd23-4c83-a8b1-c73f200c18ed}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794174.jpg?size=67&uid={4184ca87-0198-42aa-87a5-ec0f7427d004}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794172.jpg?size=67&uid={434d3e99-8964-40c5-906c-8cd0ad098bf8}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794175.jpg?size=67&uid={f0a2b8ed-76e1-4087-aebc-ea442b7f7fea}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794182.jpg?size=67&uid={23a875ea-5258-4d99-b03e-00c13a6e50ea}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794177.jpg?size=67&uid={77aee5aa-019d-42ac-92b2-3cf7e93a8c32}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794176.jpg?size=67&uid={fcac0110-512a-4e68-95a4-5e21c69ca5c5}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794184.jpg?size=67&uid={8f688bcf-834a-4911-8882-cf3c3fcbc352}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794168.jpg?size=67&uid={640ef9c8-ab41-45d1-903e-51cb50d23cd3}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794186.jpg?size=67&uid={6c96f41e-1305-4d13-abf9-76d5bd8fa82a}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794179.jpg?size=67&uid={b504f04b-b47e-47ad-8b24-0941e51a46d7}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794200.jpg?size=67&uid={9f223407-bca9-404b-a06c-89a1a7b0a991}

Members of the German Navy Special Operations Forces during an exercise at the Baltic Sea near the northern German town of Eckernfoerde, July 1, 2004. The German Navy Special Operations Forces of the German Armed Forces Bundeswehr whose membership of which is kept secret, are chiefly involved in military operations.

Kampfschwimmer or Marinesicherungskräfte?
Thanks for the set, Double Tap!
:D



Edit: Thanks for all the info guys!

[flickme]

Wow, really nice pics. I love the germans baggy uniforms.

[CQB_Operator]

Yeah very nice pix, can you tell me where can I get them without the CORBIS sign

[Freeman]

yeah, great pics.

[AVZ]

Kampfschwimmer or Marinesicherungskräfte?


I would say Kampfschwimmer. They are coming out of the water with their special equipment ( pic No 5)

Let's hear what the other german guys are gonna say!!!


Besides: As always: what would we gonna do without your pic's every day?? and with those special pis's??

So pleeeaaaaaassseee keep it coming!! woot woot woot woot

[Jester]

These are Kampfschwimmer. Not Naval Security Forces.

[Freibier]

Great Pics, Thanks! woot

[HALo]

http://www.deutschemarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/Docname/themen_struktur_Unterstuetzung_stuetzpunkte_eckernfoerde_stuetzpunkt_Start.htm/$FILE/stuetzpunktbild.jpg
I've been there (inside - for a weekend) :o

[Phoenix]

These are Kampfschwimmer. Not Naval Security Forces.

I think these are Marinesicherungskräfte

[SiFiOn]

Great pics He219!

[KaraBenNemsi]

Great pics woot


THX He219 :hug:


greetings

KBN

[Jester]

I think these are Marinesicherungskräfte
Well, I know one of the guy´s on this photos and he isn´t an member of the Marinesicherung.

[McLane]

I think these guys are Kampfschwimmer - look at their equitment and actions... Marinesicherugnskräfte aren't special forces, aren't they?

[Javehn]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794177.jpg?size=67&uid={77aee5aa-019d-42ac-92b2-3cf7e93a8c32}

Horny bastards .

[baker]

I think these guys are Kampfschwimmer - look at their equitment and actions... Marinesicherugnskräfte aren't special forces, aren't they?


they are SEK-M. wouldn't say they are SF, but closely attached. but nower days you can't see any differnce between SF und regular forces.....they all want to look like KSK-troopers :roll: . ;)

[Gringo]

Good pics! woot

[SwissSharpShooter]

Javehn wrote

Horny bastards .

Why?

[hedgehog]

Quick question: What is that sled looking device the one guy is carrying?

[deutschersoldat]

nice!
endlich ma wieder neue kampfschwimmer bilder

[He219]

Thanks, baker.

http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/vpic/foto/2003/06/19/foto2003061901.jpg
"Aus Waffentauchergruppe wird SEK M (http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/2003/06/19/eck2003061901.asp)"

The Bundeswehr site has this picture with Die Waffentauchergruppe (http://www.bundesmarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/CurrentBaseLink/N255B2BG635MMISDE)...
http://www.bundesmarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/Docname/themen_struktur_Flotte_msfltl_WaTaGrp_MSFltWaTaGrp.htm/$FILE/Kampfschwimmer.jpg

http://www.bundesmarine.de/redaktionen/marine/internet/dmbas.nsf/c1256eb0002f40a7c1256982003b7e87/7951edd91c7f44e7c1256c6000299f7a/Body/0.5D4?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
So aren't Kampfschwimmer automatically SEK M?

[Uncle Chô]

Kampfschwimmer or Marinesicherungskräfte?


I would say Kampfschwimmer. They are coming out of the water with their special equipment ( pic No 5)

Let's hear what the other german guys are gonna say!!!
They are Seehunde!

;)

[He219]

http://www.seehund.de/bilder/titelbild.jpg
Nice one Uncle Chô!
;)

[baker]

Thanks, baker.

http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/vpic/foto/2003/06/19/foto2003061901.jpg
"Aus Waffentauchergruppe wird SEK M (http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/2003/06/19/eck2003061901.asp)"

The Bundeswehr site has this picture with Die Waffentauchergruppe (http://www.bundesmarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/CurrentBaseLink/N255B2BG635MMISDE)...
http://www.bundesmarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/Docname/themen_struktur_Flotte_msfltl_WaTaGrp_MSFltWaTaGrp.htm/$FILE/Kampfschwimmer.jpg

http://www.bundesmarine.de/redaktionen/marine/internet/dmbas.nsf/c1256eb0002f40a7c1256982003b7e87/7951edd91c7f44e7c1256c6000299f7a/Body/0.5D4?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
So aren't Kampfschwimmer automatically SEK M?


actually yes, but it's like DSO and KSK. KSK is a part of the DSO, but just a small part and not all paratrooper in the DSO count as SF, like the KSK does. what I wanted to say is that not all SEK M are SF like the kampfschwimmer.

PS: are you from germany, because you read such a local german newspaper?

[Pille1234]

PS: are you from germany, because you read such a local german newspaper?
I guess he's not, but He impressed me more than once with his knowledge of local affairs :hug:

[andyboy]

It's a stretcher/sled/cart system.

http://www.med-worldwide.com/product20838.html

[He219]

actually yes, but it's like DSO and KSK. KSK is a part of the DSO, but just a small part. what I wanted to say is that not all SEK M are SF like the kampfschwimmer.
:lol:
How about the Minentaucher, are they not SF like the Kampfschwimmer?

Besides the Minentaucher and Kampfschwimmer, what's left in the SEK M besides the support groups, training units and boat units?


PS: are you from germany, because you read such a local german newspaper?
Leider nicht. Ich bin ein gebürtiger Süd-Kalifornier.
;)






.

[Jester]

Respekt, gutes Deutsch!

[Freeman]

Glücklicherweise nicht! Ich bin ein gebürtiger Süd-Kalifornier.
;)Warum "glücklicherweise"? Finde es net so schlimm hier wie alle sagen. Woher kannst du so gut deutsch "schreiben"?

[HALo]

the Minentaucher are SF .. a friend of mine was once a Minentaucher :P

[He219]

Glücklicherweise nicht! Ich bin ein gebürtiger Süd-Kalifornier.
;)Warum "glücklicherweise"? Finde es net so schlimm hier wie alle sagen. Woher kannst du so gut deutsch "schreiben"?
Es war nicht böse gemeint, aber mann muß den Unterschied wissen.
;)

[seventy6er]

He, die Bilder sind echt hammersgeil! Vielen Dank!

Thanks a lot for those pics! Great find! The latest pics I have from Kampfschwimmer are from the mid-90s :roll:

But perhaps baker is right, and those dudes really are SEK-M...

[He219]

So Bitte, aber Kampfschwimmer sind doch SEK M ...
:D

In diesem Verband fasste die deutsche Marine alle Soldaten der Minentaucherkompanie, der Kampfschwimmerkompanie, der Ausbildungsinspektion, einen speziellen Zug von Kampfmittelbeseitigungsfachleuten und zwei Taucherschulboote zusammen. Durch diesen Zusammenschluss waren alle Spezialisten der Marine für besonders herausfordernde Aufgaben und Einsätze unter einem Kommando vereint
^ von oben (http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/2003/06/19/eck2003061901.asp) ..

[seventy6er]

SEK-M hat Battaillonsstärke, und meines Wissens gehören auch die Marinesicherer dazu.

[Uncle Chô]

Ist es etwa ein privat Forum nur für deutsche Leser? Leide ist mein schriftliche Deutsh nicht so gut und ich mache zu viele Fehler aber klar, diese Bilder and die Erklärung zwishen die verschiedenen Kompany sind sehr interessiert. Ausgewönhlich Thema! :D

[He219]

seventy6er: Ask Jester, he wrote that he recognized one of his friends ...
:D

Sorry for the German, Uncle Chô. Just workin' off the rust ...

[Jester]

seventy6er: Ask Jester, he wrote that he recognized one of his friends ...
He ist not a friend of mine. He is a friend of a comrade of me. They know each other from their schooldays and I meet this guy ones.

SEK-M hat Battaillonsstärke, und meines Wissens gehören auch die Marinesicherer dazu.
That correct. For every non-german user, he wrote that the "Bn Special Naval Forces" has Bn strength and that the naval Security Forces are a part of it. This Bn consists of the Combat Diver Co, the Mineclearence Diver Co, one Boarding Co, one "Force Protection" Co and a Diver Training Co. Die Boarding and the Force Protection Co are the Rest of the former Naval Security Regiment.

Jester

[He219]

Alright; I'll just have to add some other recent pic's while were at SEK M Batallion level:
;)


From May 14 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14777&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=one+five+zero)
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040505-N-7586B-362.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/040505-N-7586B-362.jpg)

Gulf of Oman (May 5, 2004) - A Team Leader for a boarding team assigned to the German frigate FGS Augsburg (F213) briefs security and recent intelligence regarding the boarding of fishing dhows in the area. The multinational Combined Task Force One Five Zero (CTF-150) was established to monitor, inspect, board, and stop suspect shipping to pursue the war on terrorism and includes operations currently taking place in the North Arabia Sea to support Operation Iraqi Freedom.
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040505-N-7586B-388.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/040505-N-7586B-388.jpg)
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040505-N-7586B-394.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/040505-N-7586B-394.jpg)

Boarding Team members assigned to the German Frigate FGS Augsburg (F213) provide security for the remainder of his team as they board a local cargo dhow by fast rope, during a search and seizure inspection of the vessel.

From July 7th, 2004 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19162&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-798369.jpg?size=67&uid={ae9f84c8-d6cf-4a50-9cb1-d0f6c494f6c8}
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040707/i/r1656496128.jpg

German troops of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa based in Djibouti climb aboard a dhow during a patrol on the Red Sea July 7, 2004. The Germans are part of the multi-national task force carrying out anti-terrorism operations looking for terrorist cargo, such as weapons, drugs, or personnel.
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040707/i/r2354660215.jpg
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-798497.jpg?size=67&uid={1e589e15-a177-4b42-8b07-bcdb71520c67}

A German soldier of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa based in Djibouti holds a packet of matches showing Osama Bin Laden and the $25 million reward for information leading to his capture written in Arabic during a patrol on the Red Sea July 7, 2004.


looks like I forgot a couple
:oops:

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-793009.jpg?size=67&uid={92d6befb-5b06-48aa-b904-4599e26fab0f}

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-793000.jpg?size=67&uid={663150df-b7ff-4f50-aaa0-d2e81a3b5d14}

Members of German Navy Special Operations Forces give first aid to an air force pilot during an exercise in a forest near the northern German town of Eckernfoerde.
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-792997.jpg?size=67&uid={154972e4-e45d-4adb-b337-fda5d4a6e15a}

A member of German Navy Special Operations Forces aims his waterproof assault rifle during an exercise in a forest near the northern German town of Eckernfoerde. The German Navy Special Operations Forces of the German Armed Forces Bundeswehr whose membership of which is kept secret are chiefly involved in military operations.

The caption writers always crack me up!
;)

[SwissGrenadier]

Hervorragende Bilder!!! Alle achtung He219
Thanks for posting them
:D

[Shadow]

I don't care who they are aslong as they can kill somebody if they have to.;)That's the main thing. ;)

[pretorian669]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794172.jpg?size=67&uid={434d3e99-8964-40c5-906c-8cd0ad098bf8}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794175.jpg?size=67&uid={f0a2b8ed-76e1-4087-aebc-ea442b7f7fea}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794182.jpg?size=67&uid={23a875ea-5258-4d99-b03e-00c13a6e50ea}


Is there a shortage of boonie hats in Flectarn camo?

[baker]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794172.jpg?size=67&uid={434d3e99-8964-40c5-906c-8cd0ad098bf8}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794175.jpg?size=67&uid={f0a2b8ed-76e1-4087-aebc-ea442b7f7fea}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794182.jpg?size=67&uid={23a875ea-5258-4d99-b03e-00c13a6e50ea}


Is there a shortage of boonie hats in Flectarn camo?


no, but flecktarn boonie has everybody in german army. these are special forces, so also their boonies have to be special ;) .

[fantassin]

Wait for the next book by Eric Micheletti, the editor of RAIDS.

It's going to be completly dedicated to combat swimmers and there will be a big chapter on the KS Komp with loads of unpublished pictures.

[seventy6er]

Cool. Can you keep us updated about that book? Will it be published in other languages than french?

[fantassin]

It should be published in French AND English (even though the English version, I suppose, will be not as good as a book written originally in English).

There was an pre-view in a RAIDS magazine a few months back about this book and I think it should be published end of 2004-beginning of 2005.

I suppose Micheletti needs to finish another book about GIGN that was supposed to be originally released by June and that is now scheduled for "the second semester of 2004"...

[fantassin]

The next issue of RAIDS (#220) will have a full report on that subject with unpublished recent pics of German combat swimmers.

To purchase it:

vpc@histecoll.com

price is 6,35 Euros in France

[intelligenzija]

great pictures never seen before! thank you

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Really cool pictures thanks!

[anonymous individual]

Looks good.

[seventy6er]

The next issue of RAIDS (#220) will have a full report on that subject with unpublished recent pics of German combat swimmers.

To purchase it:

vpc@histecoll.com

price is 6,35 Euros in France

Is the latest RAID Issue already out??

[fantassin]

No, the current issue (#219) deals mostly with sea borne terrorism and counter measures.

The next issue (#220) with the GE combat swimmers should come out in the last days of August, beginning of September.

It will also feature an article on FR para 50 cal sniper teams and another one on the armed forces of Malaya. That's the preview mentioned in issue # 219 anyway....

[Shadow]

I hope someone scans some pics.... ;)

[fantassin]

This is the forthcoming book on combat swimmers by Eric Micheletti, the editor of RAIDS. Next month's article on the GE cbt swimmers is probably only a teaser....

[seventy6er]

Fantassin: Is the book about Naval SF already in stores??

[Styker]

Did they change something in the last jears?
Kampftaucher arent Special Forces, we only have one SF Unit in the military sector. The KSK.
Kampfschwimmer are maybe Special Operation.
Or they changed it in the last years, but why?

[seventy6er]

Of course Kampfschwimmer are SF, nothing changed. Always been, always will be SF.

[HALo]

Die "Spezialisierten Einsatzkäfte Marine" (SEK M) sind in Eckernförde/SH stationiert.

Zu diesen Kräften gehören:

die Kampfschwimmerkompanie
die Minentaucherkompanie
die Boardingkompanie
eine Marinekompanie für spezielle Operationen
ein Kampfmittelbeseitigungszug
eine Ausbildungsinspektion
Don't want to translate that now .. just some information for seventy6er and Styker

Special Forces/Navy would be the correct translation for "SEK M"

Would anyone like to know what you gotta do if you want to be allowed to apply at the Kampfschwimmer- or Minentaucherkompanie?

[tenda]

great pic's...!!!!! ;)

[He219]

Did they change something in the last jears?
Kampftaucher arent Special Forces, we only have one SF Unit in the military sector. The KSK.
Kampfschwimmer are maybe Special Operation.
Or they changed it in the last years, but why?
Kampftaucher are the Sondereinheit der Marine.

The Kampfschwimmerkompanie, the Mienentaucherkompanie and Marinesicherungsbataillion 1 fall under the designation SEK-M (Spezialisierten Einsatzkräfte der Marine) since June 2003.


Das Personal der Waffentauchergruppe hat seit seinem Bestehen an allen wesentlichen Einsätzen der Marine teilgenommen. In den Einsätzen im Rahmen der Embargo-Maßnahmen gegen das ehemalige Jugoslawien, bei der Unterstützung des Heereskontingentes im Rahmen von SFOR und KFOR, bei der Unterstützung unterschiedlicher UN-Missionen oder bei der anhaltenden Operation gegen den internationalen Terrorismus, die unter der Bezeichnung „Enduring Freedom“ steht, haben die Angehörigen der Waffentauchergruppe ihren guten Ruf bewiesen und sich internationales Ansehen erworben.
http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/2003/06/19/eck2003061901.asp

A recent artice: Live von der boot: Die Kampftaucher der Marine Eckernförde (http://tauchen.nullzeit.at/Content.Node/news/2005/01/live_von_der_boot_die_kampftaucher_der_marine_eckernfoerde.php)

http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N25Y9JCL869DSCGDE/$FILE/2Taucher_450x600.jpg
SEK M im Einsatz

[msnger]

I love German Camo and design of the outfit there beautiful.

[seventy6er]

Die "Spezialisierten Einsatzkäfte Marine" (SEK M) sind in Eckernförde/SH stationiert.

Zu diesen Kräften gehören:

die Kampfschwimmerkompanie
die Minentaucherkompanie
die Boardingkompanie
eine Marinekompanie für spezielle Operationen
ein Kampfmittelbeseitigungszug
eine Ausbildungsinspektion
Don't want to translate that now .. just some information for seventy6er and Styker

Special Forces/Navy would be the correct translation for "SEK M"

Would anyone like to know what you gotta do if you want to be allowed to apply at the Kampfschwimmer- or Minentaucherkompanie?

Danke für die Info, ist hinreichend bekannt.

[Styker]

Of course Kampfschwimmer are SF, nothing changed. Always been, always will be SF.

I´am not shure, live far away from sea. (Alps rulez!!! :D )
A friend from me was Kampftaucher and he was no SF, he do this work, but was no sf ???

[seventy6er]

Minentaucher ist auch kein Kampfschwimmer.

[He219]

I'm getting confused with the term Kampftaucher. I suppose it's a misnomer. Either Kampfschwimmer or Mienentaucher, right? The media link in my last post made the same mistake (I think) ..

http://www.krisenkommandokraefte.de/intern/spezialeinheiten/kampfschwimmer1.jpg
<img src=http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/10/41/10/10411080/MP001630.jpg><img src=http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/10/41/11/10411108/MP001682.jpg>
<img src=http://pro.corbis.com/images/MP001628.jpg?size=67&uid={c2aa6fd7-347f-4505-84bd-702daebf32fe}>

A member of the German marine special forces unit, the Kampfschwimmer, walks from the drop zone with ram air canopy over his shoulder. 1993.
<img src=http://pro.corbis.com/images/MP001629.jpg?size=67&uid={f73e238e-63bc-4cc6-be7f-339f95191781}>

Member of the German marine special forces unit, the Kampfschwimmer, operate a Milan anti-tank missile system. 1993.

[RS_Leo1A5]

I'm getting confused with the term Kampftaucher. I suppose it's a misnomer. Either Kampfschwimmer or Mienentaucher, right? The media link in my last post made the same mistake (I think) ..
You have Kampfschwimmer (commandos) and Minentaucher (underwater demolitions experts).
Collectively they are known as Waffentaucher, not "Kampftaucher".
AFAIK

[Freeman]

what is the defenition of a special force unit? who says these guy are special force and these aren't?

[seventy6er]

what is the defenition of a special force unit? who says these guy are special force and these aren't?

I am SF, you aren't :bash:

;)

[Freeman]

what is the defenition of a special force unit? who says these guy are special force and these aren't?

I am SF, you aren't :bash:

;)i'm so special, that nobody knows, i'm a hyper special mega force guy p-)

[Zerodivider]

My mommy says I'm a very special boy... :D

[Styker]

Minentaucher ist auch kein Kampfschwimmer.

Minentaucher - Kampfschwimmer - alles Klippenkotzer :P
Ich meine ja Kampfschwimmer, aber wie gesagt, ich leb näher am Mittelmeer als an der Nordsee.

[seventy6er]

You're implying that you don't know what you're talking about, if I understand correctly. Then I wonder how you can make statements like this


Kampftaucher arent Special Forces, we only have one SF Unit in the military sector. The KSK.
Kampfschwimmer are maybe Special Operation.

[Eike, ger]

Question:
The pics are form July, 1. 2004 but they all have the standart-optics on their G36. I´m surprised not to see an EOTech on them. :roll:
Have you a lucid explanation for it? (maybe it´s not water-tight?)

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794177.jpg?size=67&uid={77aee5aa-019d-42ac-92b2-3cf7e93a8c32}

[Wodan]

The pics are form July, 1. 2004 but they all have the standart-optics on their G36. I´m surprised not to see an EOTech on them.

yeah, we have a definition!

just people with EOTech on their rifles are SF


:lol:

[seventy6er]

Someone should ban you, Wodan. :roll:

[RGRBOX]

excellant pics... I was in Wurzburg for Easter and visited he local NATO Shop. Got myself a new unissued pair of BW Flecktarn pants for 49.--Euros.

[baker]

Question:
The pics are form July, 1. 2004 but they all have the standart-optics on their G36. I´m surprised not to see an EOTech on them. :roll:
Have you a lucid explanation for it? (maybe it´s not water-tight?)

http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-794177.jpg?size=67&uid={77aee5aa-019d-42ac-92b2-3cf7e93a8c32}

You are talking about KS? They do have EoTechs. But They don't use them in salt water, also KSK doesn't. (Stern articel, where they were training in the meditarrianen sea). But there are pics where KS us EoTechs.

[Eike, ger]

Thanks baker
I wondered why they didn´t use them. Maybe they can protect EOTech against salt water in some way... I read an article from the Stern about the KSK but this must be a different one. Have you a link?

@ Wodan: Let's say so: The German SF use the best equipment you can get with love or money :D ( so I was told by someone from the DSO ). And so I'd have been confused if the KS wouldn't have EOTech

[baker]

Thanks baker
I wondered why they didn´t use them. Maybe they can protect EOTech against salt water in some way... I read an article from the Stern about the KSK but this must be a different one. Have you a link?



Well, it seams that there is no way to protect the EoTech from salt water. In normal water are no problems reported. So they were testing other optics (Aimpoint etc)

The articel was with the AFG in New Mexico with the Eotech on MG3. A few pages further is a photo of KSK operaters with G36/ AG36, taken near Corsica, on which they do not use EoTech (due to the salt water, I guess).

Here is a pic of KS with EoTech:



http://img88.exs.cx/img88/8536/ks138gz.jpg

[packetloss]

Yeah very nice pix, can you tell me where can I get them without the CORBIS sign


corbis.com - They sell the photos.

[He219]

Alas, fresh Kampfschwimmer pic's ..
:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/more%20pics/8015351.jpg
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050419/i/r3709063118.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/more%20pics/8015359.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/more%20pics/8015310.jpg

Kampfschwimmer der Deutschen Marine sichern am Dienstag, 19. April 2005, den Strand waehrend einer Evakuierungsuebung im Rahmen des Manoevers "European Challenge 2005" in Eckernfoerde. Vor den Augen von Bundesverteidigungsminister Peter Struck simulierten Einheiten des Heeres, der Luftwaffe und der Marine die Evakuierung von Zivilisten aus einer Krisenregion. (AP Photo/Heribert Proepper) ---
--- German navy divers practice during the 'European Challenge 2005 Demonstration Excercise' in the Baltic Sea port of Eckernfoerde about 100 km north of Hamburg April 19, 2005. German Navy and Army forces of the Special Operation Division (DSO), Air Force, Central Medical Service of the Bundeswehr and Participants of 17 nations took part in the first joint, networked and simulation-controlled exercise of the Bundeswehr demonstrating the landing of specialized forces as well as the evacuation of civilians from a crisis area. (AP Photo/Heribert Proepper)

[AVZ]

Nice!!!!!! woot woot

[tenda]

Nice!!!!!! woot woot
...yessssss...x 2 supercool...!! woot

[Kingswat]

awesome pics.

[He219]

http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N265VGET115HMAEDE/$FILE/Stealth.jpg
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N265VGET115HMAEDE/$FILE/Minensprengung.jpg

Minentaucher bei einer Minensprengung
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N265VEK4737HMAEDE/$FILE/EVAKgr.JPG

Kampfschwimmer bei einer Evakuierungsübung
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N26BLQN4399JDOTDE/$FILE/bild5_600.jpg

European Challenge 2005, EC2005, Übung Bundeswehr und Deutschland übergreifend
<img src=http://cache.*****images.com/comp/52648568.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=921361FC78373D1F6765186CEAA64629A9C30E9B9B114CE8>
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N26BLQN4399JDOTDE/$FILE/bild4_600.jpg

Ein SEA KING im Anflug zum Abtransport Schwerstverletzten und im Hintergrund ein SEA LYNX zum Sichern
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N26BLQN4399JDOTDE/$FILE/bild6_600.jpg

Ein Team aus Sanitätern evakuiert Schwerstverletzte
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N26BJNAK334DAUNDE/$FILE/BigView.jpg

Teilstreitkräfteübergreifendes Vorgehen
<img src=http://cache.*****images.com/comp/52648550.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=921361FC78373D1F25546E01D0846731A9C30E9B9B114CE8>

Soldiers from Germany's "Special Operations Division" evacuate civilians during the "European Challenge" military exercises in Eckernfoerde 19 April 2005. The manoeuvres involve over 4.000 troops from 17 countries, 3.500 of which are from Germany. The Special Operations Division comprises all of Germany's special forces units including the elite KSK commandos
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N26BLQN4399JDOTDE/$FILE/Bild2_600.jpg

CH53-G im Anflug mit Teilen DSO zur Unterstützung der bereits eingetroffenen Kampfschwimmer

[seventy6er]

Nice pics, He219. Although I gotta say those diving-suits do look somewhat uncool. http://www.bus-freunde.de/nforum/smileys/26.gif

[Jester]

One more
http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N265VEK4737HMAEDE/$FILE/UW5gr.jpg

[venom]

damn ec2005 is already over? ...nice pics !

[seventy6er]

No, it's not. It ends April 28th.

[fantassin]

http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/2913903843.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

here is the book on combat swimmers I was mentioning earlier. It's not yet out I believe.

[He219]

Yeah, those suits are definately not what OJ used!
;)

Forgot this one ..

http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256E5F0045A90F/vwContentByKey/789CE4B9FEDBEEA2C1256FE900543456/$file/20050420_101B_AKJ_G.jpg

[Catch22]

What's the issue with EOTechs and salty water - guys from EOTech were telling me it'll withstand pressure at some 10-15 m deep. We've seen french Commandos Marine using 552 on 552 ;) and I believe these guys know what they're doing...

[Wodan]

What's the issue with EOTechs and salty water - guys from EOTech were telling me it'll withstand pressure at some 10-15 m deep. We've seen french Commandos Marine using 552 on 552 ;) and I believe these guys know what they're doing...


and german Kampfschwimmer are less qualified? :bash:

[baker]

What's the issue with EOTechs and salty water - guys from EOTech were telling me it'll withstand pressure at some 10-15 m deep. We've seen french Commandos Marine using 552 on 552 ;) and I believe these guys know what they're doing...

In nomal water or salt water?