Magpul AFG

[Kilo1-1]

Magpul's coming out with their "Angled Fore grip"
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/afg_6-tfb.jpg

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/02/new-magpul-afg-angled-foregrip/

Excellent picture from M4C from RetreatHell.
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv219/RetreatHell/Magpul%20AFG/IMG_9375.jpg

This probably isn't for everyone, but still looks like it's worth trying.

[Bro Jangles]

saw it earlier. interesting, may try one. looks like the front strap of the MIAD grip.

[Nickchios]

A couple more pictures here :

http://airsoftinformations.blogspot.com/2009/12/magpul-afg.html

It looks like it takes a lot of space of the bottom rail....

But it is very interesting :)

[jagermeister]

Thats exactly the way my hand looks when I hold my TD VFG. I swear more gimick **** looking for a problem.

[Chulo]

How good is it at helping the shooter produce downforce to counter barrel climb?

[Kilo1-1]

I think the grip was designed to be 'optimized' with a high grip, similar to guys who run with VFGs with the "thumb break" method. AR muzzle rise is usually countered by pushing the rifle into the shoulder and having a firm grip with support arm/hand. I don't shoot .308 often, so I can't comment how this will work that caliber. I run the 'thumb break' grip with my VFG, and I find it more controllable and allows for quicker target reacquisition.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/afg_8_1-tfb.jpg

I know some people on other forums will be getting a few for T&E. I'm waiting to see what they think of it.

[koalorka]

Is it OPERATIONALLY sound for OPERATORS?

Place that thing forward enough and you get a nice slide that deposits your hand just in front of the muzzle. Perfect if you want to convert your hand into a charred and bloody stump. That's dumber than the MagPul PRNDPD (Picatinny Railed Non-Dairy Powder Dispenser).

[jagermeister]

Thing takes up a lot of rail space from the looks of it about 6 slots.

[koalorka]

I have a working prototype of MagPul's newest OPERATOR enhancement. The MagPul FAG (Forward Assault Grip):

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9223/durrr.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/durrr.jpg/)

[kinney_bmx]

Hey tard quit trying to ruin a thread

[koalorka]

Problem breh?

[Migs]

Hey tard quit trying to ruin a thread
He's from Canada, just be nice.

[Nickchios]

Problem breh?

It is very simple buddy..... if you think it is not a good product do not buy it.

[koalorka]

It is very simple buddy..... if you think it is not a good product do not buy it.

No, it's such a crappy product that I'm going to go out of my way and try to discourage other people from rewarding a sleazy company that takes advantage of naive individuals. I think my sock wrapped around the barrel of a vz. 58 is a better product. Retails for $38.99. 100% wool, tube construction.

[Hispeed1]

(Grabs popcorn...)

[Rakki]

Dunno, seems ergonomic to me.

[Soldat_Américain]

No, it's such a crappy product that I'm going to go out of my way and try to discourage other people from rewarding a sleazy company that takes advantage of naive individuals. I think my sock wrapped around the barrel of a vz. 58 is a better product. Retails for $38.99. 100% wool, tube construction.

you're a fvcking idiot.

[csfmann]

I think it 's a good idea, but it isn't a new entry, UK Sas, Rhodesian, Israelian and American soldiers in VietNam did the same putting a pistol grip secured under the barrel of their m16s, Fals and Galils, having the same "impovement". Just because the pistol grip is more angled and ergonomic. I'm sorry i can't find pics

[BlackFlag]

Would work nicely on an AK.

[SERE]

nah..but its a intresting nevertheless !

[Kilo1-1]

I have a working prototype of MagPul's newest OPERATOR enhancement. The MagPul FAG (Forward Assault Grip):

No one's making you get one. We get the point you don't like it.


Would work nicely on an AK.
I imagine it would relatively well since it's low profile enough not to interfere with magazine changes.

[highdiver_2000]

I think it 's a good idea, but it isn't a new entry, UK Sas, Rhodesian, Israelian and American soldiers in VietNam did the same putting a pistol grip secured under the barrel of their m16s, Fals and Galils, having the same "impovement". Just because the pistol grip is more angled and ergonomic. I'm sorry i can't find pics

Ultimax 100 Mk3 http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg20-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/machine/ultimax_mk3_3.jpg

[ktk.ace]

wow! i have that feature FOC on my AUG!!

haha !!

[Chulo]

I think it 's a good idea, but it isn't a new entry, UK Sas, Rhodesian, Israelian and American soldiers in VietNam did the same putting a pistol grip secured under the barrel of their m16s, Fals and Galils, having the same "impovement". Just because the pistol grip is more angled and ergonomic. I'm sorry i can't find pics


Ultimax 100 Mk3 http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg20-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/machine/ultimax_mk3_3.jpg

Those type of angled grips are nothing new, its nearly a 100 years old

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9158/thompson6662584.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/softairthompsontypewrit.jpg/)

[hood]

I recently switched from a vertical fore grip to this. It's less weight and it lets me manipulate and hold the weapon with my left hand more easily.

http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MWG_full.jpg
mako magwell grip

[Chulo]

Did it speed your reload time too?

[hood]

Did it speed your reload time too?

I've only used this stuff at a range, but I reload with my left hand, so it doesn't affect that at all. What I've noticed the most though, is reduced total gun weight combined with a tighter grip (hands closer together) makes me fatigue less when firing over 10 rounds in a set. When I first got it the ar15, I put tons of toys on it. Now I'm at the point where I've realized weight is a major issue with accuracy while standing, so I'm looking for ways to strip it down.

[trunk_munkey28]

I've only used this stuff at a range, but I reload with my left hand, so it doesn't affect that at all. What I've noticed the most though, is reduced total gun weight combined with a tighter grip (hands closer together) makes me fatigue less when firing over 10 rounds in a set. When I first got it the ar15, I put tons of toys on it. Now I'm at the point where I've realized weight is a major issue with accuracy while standing, so I'm looking for ways to strip it down.

The mag well grip or using a fore grip close to the receiever is good for one target snap shooting. Where the stance advocated by the fellas at Magpul Dynamics comes into its own is multiple target engagements.
Basically, when you have both your strong hand and support hand that close together on the weapon, you have a lot of weight both forward of and above the support hand. When driving your muzzle and sight picture from the first target to the second, with all that weight not really balanced out and equally supported, the tendency can be to actually swing through the subsequent target and have to correct back on to it.

When I first learned reflexive comabt shooting in 2005, we held the front of the mag well. Wehn I did the training a second time around in 2007, we were taught to hold the fore grip like a broomhandle. When I did my Urban Operations Instructor course this spring, we were taught a somewhat modified 'Costa' technique. I'll never go back to the first two. Personally, I don't stretch my support arm out as much as Costa advocates, I've got a lot more bend in my elbow.

Hood, honestly, give both techniques a try with two targets about 3 feet apart, two rounds center of mass into each. You'll probably be surprised by how much more natural it feels to stretch your left arm out..

[Sand Man]

Just because the pistol grip is more angled and ergonomic. I'm sorry i can't find pics

These ones?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/ontimearrival/proto2_2cropped.jpg?t=1246671482

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/cagdboy/TGGGrip.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/justrom/IMG_0813.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

i have toyed with the idea of mounting an AK pistol grip backwards on my ak, ive kinda tested it and found it really comfortable, andit should allow fairly easy loading of mags.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/myweapon37.jpg

[Kilo1-1]

i have toyed with the idea of mounting an AK pistol grip backwards on my ak, ive kinda tested it and found it really comfortable, andit should allow fairly easy loading of mags.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/myweapon37.jpg

Just like the AMD65.
http://www.coyotegulcharmory.com/AMD65.jpg

[Kilo1-1]

The AFG does take up a lot of rail space.
Those interested in if it'll work with a MOE....
If running a MOE foregrip with the full length bottom rail, it'll fit as well.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/IMG_1327.jpg

[LineDoggie]

I think it 's a good idea, but it isn't a new entry, UK Sas, Rhodesian, Israelian and American soldiers in VietNam did the same putting a pistol grip secured under the barrel of their m16s, Fals and Galils, having the same "impovement". Just because the pistol grip is more angled and ergonomic. I'm sorry i can't find pics

Like this?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/DSCF0174.jpg

Got it from Bushmaster in July 2004 before heading to Iraq

[Kilo1-1]

Like this?

Got it from Bushmaster in July 2004 before heading to Iraq

I'm liking that M1A and M1 garand.

Now I think of it, the AFG reminds me more of the P90's front end/foregrip area, except it's less angled. It's even got that front nub to prevent over travel with the support hand.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/2009910104.jpg

[asch]

Magpul is like a damn Karl Lagerfield of military world. even if they release some weird ****, like tactical anus plugs (Magpul TAP, yo), there will be a lot of people defending such controversal invention.

[Jippo]

What I've noticed the most though, is reduced total gun weight combined with a tighter grip (hands closer together) makes me fatigue less when firing over 10 rounds in a set.

The way Costa grips his weapon (and the origins of the AFG grip) are the other side of the coin compared to grip of the magazine/magwell. Magwell grip allows the shooter to keep the muzzle up forever, but is bad in rapid target changes. because hands are together it lacks on the leverage to start and stop moving the gun sideways/up & down quickly. It gives slower transition times between targets.

Costa's way is is more fatiguing on the arms, but almost all the mass of the firearms is between the arms so it is fast to turn and fast to stop on target. Many IPSC shooters hold rifle like this because it is slightly faster and the stages don't last that long anyway.

[csfmann]

Like this?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/DSCF0174.jpg

Got it from Bushmaster in July 2004 before heading to Iraq
Exactley! As the thompson and ultimax showed.
I found this one about galil

[csfmann]

I think Magpul AFG helps when you shoot from ****e position

[hood]

Hood, honestly, give both techniques a try with two targets about 3 feet apart, two rounds center of mass into each. You'll probably be surprised by how much more natural it feels to stretch your left arm out..

Sound advice. I'm hoping to get involved in some clinics when they pass through again, which would give me the opportunity to shoot at more than just the single static target I have now.

[Kilo1-1]

Someone asked earlier about it being fitted on AK. Pictures from magpul.
http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg7.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg8.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg1.jpg
And on a 870
http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg4.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg3.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg5.jpg

Don't know how applicable it'll be on the 12 gauge though.

[-[Crosshair]-]

That pump is pretty far out there, I'd actually love to have this on my 870.

[FunYun]

Magpul is like a damn Karl Lagerfield of military world. even if they release some weird ****, like tactical anus plugs (Magpul TAP, yo), there will be a lot of people defending such controversal invention.

What exactly have they made that is comparable to a anus plug?

[James]

Thats exactly the way my hand looks when I hold my TD VFG. I swear more gimick **** looking for a problem.

Yeah, I do that with my KAC grip. I swear I should start my own tactical equipment company and come out with an entirely new line every quarter, I'd be rich in no time.

[SMGLee]

I have a working prototype of MagPul's newest OPERATOR enhancement. The MagPul FAG (Forward Assault Grip):

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9223/durrr.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/durrr.jpg/)

that is way toooo funny.

It is just funny how Magpul make some ting new and the fanboys just go crazy....

[KEEPER0311]

Someone asked earlier about it being fitted on AK. Pictures from magpul.

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg4.jpg

Don't know how applicable it'll be on the 12 gauge though.

Why in gods name do you need an EoTech and a stupid highspeed grip on a 870? Loaded with buck shot you just point it in the general vicinity and shoot. :roll:

[-[Crosshair]-]

The same can be said about any firearm with that logic. It's all about shooting it comfortably. I have a Magpul CTR stock and MIAD grip on my 870 and it's pretty much the best thing I've put on it (I went through a lot of different stock and grip setups). I'm also short and that pump is way out there with my short reach. The AFG could actually make it even more comfy for me.

[JC0352]

To each their own. Some might find it beneficial to their shooting, and then you have the Magpul fanboys. Good on Magpul for coming up with something a little different but stands out from what's already out there.



"Look at the guy who invented the pet rock. The guy made a million dollars."p-)

[-[Crosshair]-]

Hey hey now, they made good things.

I got the CTR stock because it doesn't look exagerated and the locking tab on it prevents it from rattling on the AR-15's receiver extension I got on my 870. The MIAD grip is the most comfortable thing I ever put on there because I needed a fat grip after deeming a C7A2/M16 pistol grip way too thin after having had one on my 870 for a while. The MIAD grip comes with an extremely fat backstrap and feels great for shotties.

[JC0352]

-;4612777']Hey hey now, they made good things.

I got the CTR stock because it doesn't look exagerated and the locking tab on it prevents it from rattling on the AR-15's receiver extension I got on my 870. The MIAD grip is the most comfortable thing I ever put on there because I needed a fat grip after deeming a C7A2/M16 pistol grip way too thin after having had one on my 870 for a while. The MIAD grip comes with an extremely fat backstrap and feels great for shotties.

Didn't mean to confuse, but I think Magpul is good to go. I have an MOE grip and stock on my AR.

[Kilo1-1]

As I said on my initial post, this isn't for everyone. No point in throwing away perfectly good VFGs for this if they work already.
I'm going to wait for initial reports from users. I like my KAC and DD VFG enough to not get rid of them for this.

[DrDrake]

In light of several comments floating around the web on different forums reference the AFG I'm tossing the below up in a few places.


Clarification;

Let me make it perfectly clear. Our intent is not to replace your VFG with an AFG. Our intent is to bring a new concept to market, push the boundaries of design and fill a void in the forward grip market. Some might argue that we're creating the "void" and this is all a marketing hype product. Have we ever done that with any product? We will continue to stand by our products and the theories behind them.

Fan Boys;

We have fan boys and hey, hats off, we love them. But don't ever think we build products for the FB's. They want the best products money can buy just like Mil, LE, casual shooters and competition shooters. Can you blame them? We build real world, high quality, boundary pushing kit period. No hype, no BS.

Okay back to my lair where the rest of my secret squirrel marketing team is hard at work on the next gimmick.....mmmuuuhhahahahahaha

[trunk_munkey28]

In light of several comments floating around the web on different forums reference the AFG I'm tossing the below up in a few places.


Clarification;

Let me make it perfectly clear. Our intent is not to replace your VFG with an AFG. Our intent is to bring a new concept to market, push the boundaries of design and fill a void in the forward grip market. Some might argue that we're creating the "void" and this is all a marketing hype product. Have we ever done that with any product? We will continue to stand by our products and the theories behind them.

Fan Boys;

We have fan boys and hey, hats off, we love them. But don't ever think we build products for the FB's. They want the best products money can buy just like Mil, LE, casual shooters and competition shooters. Can you blame them? We build real world, high quality, boundary pushing kit period. No hype, no BS.

Okay back to my lair where the rest of my secret squirrel marketing team is hard at work on the next gimmick.....mmmuuuhhahahahahaha

The entire Airsoft crowd here just collectively creamed at the thought of you posting here.
Well done.
Hopefully you stick around and throw your $.02 in.

[goat89]

The entire Airsoft crowd here just collectively creamed at the thought of you posting here.
Well done.
Hopefully you stick around and throw your $.02 in.
X2. I am always confused by such high-speed gear. Help me, a guy who cant own a gun back home, understand. ;)

[JC0352]

Welcome, Drake! Looking forward to hearing more about the AFG as more people get to T&E. Your input is most welcome in here.

[DrDrake]

Glad to be here. Sometimes I forget how uneducated folks are until I go poking around different forums. Some of the comments here....:bash:

Some think we just pull products out of our ass to make $. We don't operate that way.

The AFG is a great addition to our line and something I (we) have wanted for a long time.

Cheers Fellas.

[Nickchios]

I wonder why someone must write the obvious...and in our case DrDrake wrote the obvious......:)

[Bacon]

Glad to be here. Sometimes I forget how uneducated folks are until I go poking around different forums. Some of the comments here....:bash:

Some think we just pull products out of our ass to make $. We don't operate that way.

The AFG is a great addition to our line and something I (we) have wanted for a long time.

Cheers Fellas.

The main numpty (kaolorka) has been suspended.

[trunk_munkey28]

Glad to be here. Sometimes I forget how uneducated folks are until I go poking around different forums. Some of the comments here....:bash:

Some think we just pull products out of our ass to make $. We don't operate that way.

The AFG is a great addition to our line and something I (we) have wanted for a long time.

Cheers Fellas.

My civvy carbine wears Magpul furniture, MIAD and CTR, and some PMAGs. Hopefully Santa brings some MOE handguards... The MIAD and CTR are awesome bits of kit.
If I shot exactly like Costa, I would be all over the AFG. However, there's no way in hell I can afford the rediculous Canadian prices for a longer free float hand guard by a reputable manufacturer that would allow me to mount it far enough forward to do so.
My shooting stance is my shooting stance, I'm comfortable with it, and it allows me to get accurate, fast rounds on target.
DrDrake, fvck the naysayers. Magpul has proven itself over the past several years to be a huge innovator. At the end of the day, if people don't like your product, they won't buy it. But those that do, I'm sure, will be absolutely thrilled with it. Regardless of what they say, you fellas make good kit, and have a line of products you should be proud to stand behind.
Keep up the good work.

PS, happen to have a rear MBUS in foliage green kicking around? Consider it T&E for the Canadian Forces.

[-[Crosshair]-]

If it's not canadian, the CF won't take it. That's why they selected the canadian-made Timberwolf .338LM instead of the Sako TRG-42 .338LM after the sniper trials, even though the TRG-42 outdid everything the Timberwolf did.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4629897']If it's not canadian, the CF won't take it. That's why they selected the canadian-made Timberwolf .338LM instead of the Sako TRG-42 .338LM after the sniper trials, even though the TRG-42 outdid everything the Timberwolf did.

Why, then, do the go fast guys get issued ARMS 40L BUIS?
The MacMillan TAC .50 isn't Canadian made, nor are our M72s.

[SMGLee]

Drake.....

So I will get to see the new grip at the next M4C class?

[-[Crosshair]-]

Why, then, do the go fast guys get issued ARMS 40L BUIS?
The MacMillan TAC .50 isn't Canadian made, nor are our M72s.

Nor the Remington 870s or the H&K MP5Ns/MP5SDNs or the Carl Gustav 84mms or the Sig P225/P226, etc. There are no canadian competitors.

Was there any canadian .50 BMG rifle to be considered or any canadian portable anti-tank weapon to be considered when the C15 and the M72 were adopted? Not a chance. On the other hand, the canadan Timberwolf .338LM rifle was selected for the sniper trials amongst other rifles that performed better and it won because it was made here.

[ktk.ace]

im surprised no one mentioned the F2000's foregrip.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4630043']Nor the Remington 870s or the H&K MP5Ns/MP5SDNs or the Carl Gustav 84mms or the Sig P225/P226, etc. There are no canadian competitors.

Was there any canadian .50 BMG rifle to be considered or any canadian portable anti-tank weapon to be considered when the C15 and the M72 were adopted? Not a chance. On the other hand, the canadan Timberwolf .338LM rifle was selected for the sniper trials amongst other rifles that performed better and it won because it was made here.

This is what I'm saying too... there's no Canadian manufacturer of flip up iron sights, hence, the ARMS 40Ls seen on the bearded wonder's carbines.
There is the ****ty Diemaco Fixed BUIS, but it sucks. Hard.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Let's make some and sell them to the CF.

[trunk_munkey28]

-;4630701']Let's make some and sell them to the CF.
Dude, we could roll in the money doing that sort of thing... Oh, you'd like to buy new modular fighting order? Well, here's ours.
Oh, good iron sights? Have a look at these.
Of course, it would probably be easier if Magpul opened a Canadian subsidiary....
Just saying, Dr Drake. Just saying.

[-[Crosshair]-]

PMags for deploying units would be excellent.

[Dan2004]

Looks interesting. I might have to try this one out.

[koalorka]

Good day sir. Has your firm given any thought to my enhancement of the vz. 58 weapon system? I apologize if I misused your logo, I fully recognize your exclusive rights to it. I believe there is a great market for such a product. I have blueprints available if your engineers would like to review the device and patent application pending for future licensing needs.

Kind regards.

[SilentType]

Magpul comes up with some interesting things and Drake's right they're not afraid to shake things up a bit. Will the AFG be the next PMAG? I'm not sure, but always good to keep an open mind.

That said the Magpul FB's can get a bit crazy. I'm sure at some point there has been some Magpul FB going through Drake's garbage looking for hair and toenail clippings.

[alexishere2007]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/afg_8_1-tfb.jpg

that's not even how you use the hand stop... I've tried an ARMS 23 and found it to be very comfortable I don't think the grip style of the AFG is right for me..

[Troubadour]

Seeing as I do the VFTB style, this new angled style is gonna be perfect for me.

[Kilo1-1]

I saw a SWAT officer run one of these AFGs on his LWRC today at my local IDPA carbine match. Looked pretty effective and ergonomic. I'm kinda impressed at the moment, since I run a high grip myself.

[Nickchios]

Here is a review....

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/21/magpul-afg-review/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheFirearmBlog+%28The+Firearm+Blog%29

[Kilo1-1]

I ended up getting one, and it came in today. The logic was, if it didn't work for me, I'd sell it to a friend who wanted to run it on his AK.
First thing I noticed, this grip is only good for those who are used to having a high grip. Those who never use a high grip, but use a broom handle grip on a VFG will find the grip awkward. I found the grip awkward at the first try. Once I moved it up further and squared my stance again, it became a little more natural.

Construction: Very rugged/robust. Texture/shape is similar to the MIAD. I found it a little more comfortable when mounted further up. The default finger grove blows, found it not comfortable. Magpul was thoughtful and included a flat piece that can be replaced, which made it much better in my opinion.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5695/p1020913h.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5974/p1020915m.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8809/p1020919ek.jpg
You split the body apart to swap out the finger groove piece.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3471/p1020925p.jpg
Mounted further up with the flat finger groove piece.

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3075/p1020920.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8725/p1020924q.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8828/p1020922.jpg

Feelings are mixed right now. I do see the potential for it, but it's a little different from what I'm used to.
Cons: Takes a bit of rail space. Default finger groove uncomfortable. A little awkward until mounted further up.

Pros: Robust construction, comes flat finger groove piece. Low profile and locks securely onto rail. Shooters with high grip may appreciate this a little more.

[denneym1]

I will certainly be willing to give one a try. I use a stubby vertical grip using the thumb break type grip. The possible advantage I see to the AFG is a more natural hand position, and that the AFG may be less likely to get hung on stuff than the VFG. I am not opposed to trying something new, whats the harm? Sounds like we have some people here who just hate MagPul for some reason.
MD

[Kilo1-1]

Well, if you got an open mind, then try it out. I can see 3 gun guys benefiting from this... maybe.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1828/side1c.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3674/side2b.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8030/sideanglec.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2286/rearangleop.jpg

[Bacon]

Nice setup Kilo. I got my BFG VCAS waiting for my at the post office right now.

[Steelersfan413]

Never mind.

[Kilo1-1]

Nice setup Kilo. I got my BFG VCAS waiting for my at the post office right now.

Thanks. The VCAS sling is the best 2 point I've used yet. I used to use a VTAC, but I gave it to a friend once I got this sling.

[Kilo1-1]

Merry Christmas everyone!

After trying it more, I realized that my hand had a tendency to slip downwards. This was attributed to the lack of the nub I took off, and the MIAD texture was too smooth. I put the finger groove nub back on and then stippled the AFG. This grip tends to put less strain on the support arm's wrist if running a high grip. This might be beneficial those with prior wrist injuries.

The red circles were where I stippled. I felt the simple stippling job made a big difference.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9728/stipple.jpg

The grip is also very streamlined. I stuck in an old Colt 20 rounder just to see how streamlined the overall carbine was (sans optics). This might be something patrol officers might be concerned about when stowing away/pulling out their carbine.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4172/sideangle.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8563/side1r.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9302/side2opp.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4356/rearangleopb.jpg

[Bacon]

Nice stipple job on the AFG. How do you like the stippling that you did on your Glock. I would think the stipping on the backstrap where the web of your hand goes would have been pretty uncomfortable.

[Bro Jangles]

looking at it, couldnt they have made it shorter by not having such a large angle on the back? i know it increases strength, but that thing looks sturdy enough.

[Bacon]

I bet future versions will be adjustable.

[Kilo1-1]

Nice stipple job on the AFG. How do you like the stippling that you did on your Glock. I would think the stipping on the backstrap where the web of your hand goes would have been pretty uncomfortable.
Thanks. Deciding to stipple the Glock was a hard decision to make, but I have no regrets now. The pattern works well for my needs. As for the 'roughness', I lightly sanded down some of the areas that were too rough so it was comfortable, but still textured enough for retention.


looking at it, couldnt they have made it shorter by not having such a large angle on the back? i know it increases strength, but that thing looks sturdy enough.
Other users had the same sentiment. I feel this grip is probably optimized for people with rail systems that are midlength and or longer.

[sepia]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/RVN%20images/rupe60.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/RVN%20images/butler34.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/RVN%20images/mac7.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/RVN%20images/schmitt5.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/RTUtah/wwwwsog.jpg

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5002/16024184yj6.jpg

Good or bad. rofl

[Kilo1-1]

That first picture is so win...side mounted A1 grip. That sh*t is so cash.
I remembered these pictures from a while back, funny how trends can almost go a full circle with time.

Alright, some people asked how lights are activated with the AFG on. Some people run pressure switches, but I've never been a fan of them. I have my surefire running at the 1 o'clock position and move my thumb over the top of the rail when I need to activate it.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4140/p1020947.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7193/p1020941g.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5898/p1020942n.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6514/p1020946.jpg

[MPNFL]

not sure why folks find it comfortable having one arm all the way out like that. dunno, maybe it's just the way i like to shoot. I think keeping your arms in and your weapon as tight to your shoulder as possible works best for both control of the weapon and will help for a tighter shot group.

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1417/23/115/41602014/n41602014_31426898_3685.jpg

I had a 203 on my m4 and tried to hold a couple of ways, that's one ^^.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v285/23/115/41602014/n41602014_31228431_2091.jpg

^^here's another, just open up the tube and grip as such.

[jagermeister]

not sure why folks find it comfortable having one arm all the way out like that. dunno, maybe it's just the way i like to shoot. I think keeping your arms in and your weapon as tight to your shoulder as possible works best for both control of the weapon and will help for a tighter shot group.



I had a 203 on my m4 and tried to hold a couple of ways, that's one ^^.



^^here's another, just open up the tube and grip as such.


Its like holding a hose where is the most control? towards the end right? when ya take a piss ya dont hold back by your balls do ya?

[Death.]

Its like holding a hose where is the most control? towards the end right? when ya take a piss ya dont hold back by your balls do ya?

Yeah but then again a rifle isn't anything like a hose or flacid ****. It maintains it's structural integrity all its own.

Personally I hate overextending my arm, I could never imagine myself firing a rifle like that.

[MPNFL]

Its like holding a hose where is the most control? towards the end right? when ya take a piss ya dont hold back by your balls do ya?

D3ath said it well.

maybe it comes down to personal preference but for me my best shots have been from when i hold my weapon by gripping from just above the magazine with an M4/M16.

that's how they taught us to shoot at my Designated marksman course but then again they emphasized whatever was most comfortable for us. as long as you can produce results who cares how you shoot.

[jagermeister]

D3ath said it well.

maybe it comes down to personal preference but for me my best shots have been from when i hold my weapon by gripping from just above the magazine with an M4/M16.

that's how they taught us to shoot at my Designated marksman course but then again they emphasized whatever was most comfortable for us. as long as you can produce results who cares how you shoot.



Whatever works for you bud. When I started shooting I was using a mag hold or a VFG right next to it. Now I have my grip as far forwards as I can go and have notice its far faster and controllable for ME.

[Kilo1-1]

Its like holding a hose where is the most control? towards the end right? when ya take a piss ya dont hold back by your balls do ya?

Damn, one of the best analogies I've heard in a long time.

D3ath, it doesn't really matter what people use. Do what works for you, and keep it consistent.

[trunk_munkey28]

Damn, one of the best analogies I've heard in a long time.

D3ath, it doesn't really matter what people use. Do what works for you, and keep it consistent.

The end of my **** is right by my balls though... Fvck genetics.

[Kilo1-1]

The end of my **** is right by my balls though... Fvck genetics.

Haha, crap. All this talk reminded me of this picture I stumbled on a few years ago.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5659/mag.gif

I'd love to give credit to the originator of the picture, but I can't remember who posted it on M4C. rofl

[trunk_munkey28]

It`s all right though, the way I look at it, its more tacticool, Like a 10 inch CQBR versus an M16.

[DaXXter]

Could someone make a picture of the AFG on a SPR-Type gun?

[Virus]

Yeah but then again a rifle isn't anything like a hose or flacid ****. It maintains it's structural integrity all its own.

Personally I hate overextending my arm, I could never imagine myself firing a rifle like that.

Well you don't just all of a sudden start doing it. Just like they explain about the AFG, it isn't just a pickup and use item, you have to train with it for it to work for you. I remember in basic when they first started to have us do ready ups.....wasn't fun...but it sure as hell made it easier a ways down the road once we kept doing it the same way...over and over and over.

edit: But like has been stated, use what is comfortable for you, and whatever gets you results. In the end, results matter the most imho.

[JC0352]

not sure why folks find it comfortable having one arm all the way out like that. dunno, maybe it's just the way i like to shoot. I think keeping your arms in and your weapon as tight to your shoulder as possible works best for both control of the weapon and will help for a tighter shot group.

It depends on the type of shooting situation. Hold it farther out front will make it easier to transition from target to target in a CQB type situation; at least for a lot of people. You have more control over swinging the muzzle over to another target. When you hold it closer in, you're fighting more centrifugal force.

Different techniques depending on the situation. This technique is ideal for the dynamic shooting environment magpul trains its students for.

[hood]

A pile is starting to grow of the toys that I've bought for my AR15 and then swapped out. Since DrDrake was nice enough to post here, I picked one of these up. Even though I've seen the various pictures on here, I didn't realize it would monopolize the bottom rail. Because I need to have the AFG a little forward due to the Mako magazine well grip, I can no longer fit the Harris Bipod rail clip. My only desire would be for the AFG to have a push button release like the other vertical foregrip I have. They probably went with the tightened screw method so that it would stay rock solid during hard jolts. Here's some gun **** in case anyone wants to see it.

[trunk_munkey28]

Here's some gun **** in case anyone wants to see it.
Sexy. I got a package from Brownell's today, had an AFG in it too. Mounted it up, heading to the range tomorrow. I promise to take pictures, maybe video.
I mounted mine a ways forward. The cross screw is in the furthest forward rail, and its still rock solid.

[Kilo1-1]

You guys probably want to stipple the AFG with a soldering iron to improve the texturing. I found the default texturing a little too slick for me.

[Nickchios]

You guys probably want to stipple the AFG with a soldering iron to improve the texturing. I found the default texturing a little too slick for me.

It is slick even with gloves...?

[Virus]

Hood, would you really need the majo mag well grip if you have the AFG? Do you switch depending on what/how you are shooting?

[Nickchios]

Hood, would you really need the majo mag well grip if you have the AFG? Do you switch depending on what/how you are shooting?

I believe it helps a lot on transitions from one shoulder to the other....

[hood]

I foresee myself being able to take it off when I get the collapsible stock. When using my current pinned full length stock, the mag well grip allows for a closer in hand position which has given me excellent standing accuracy against static single targets. I just have to keep the leatherman on me I guess when going for benchrest shooting so I can switch it out.

[AFG]

cool name :D

also, when did they switch the board layout? I havent been here in a while...

[jagermeister]

You guys probably want to stipple the AFG with a soldering iron to improve the texturing. I found the default texturing a little too slick for me.


some of us manly men have calluses that really help in gripping things. I didnt think the AFG was slippery just a complete waste of 35 dollars.

[trunk_munkey28]

some of us manly men have calluses that really help in gripping things. I didnt think the AFG was slippery just a complete waste of 35 dollars.
Some of us have really big ****s, and like to swing it around on internet forums. I have both calluses and a large ****, and I'll probably stipple my AFG.
Food for thought.

[Hollis]

We need hood to have a infraction for PWD, posting while drunk. :)

The more the guy brags, the less he has......... just sayin'

[trunk_munkey28]

We need hood to have a infraction for PWD, posting while drunk. :)

The more the guy brags, the less he has......... just sayin'

About half way down of page 7, Hollis. Just sayin.
;)

[jagermeister]

Some of us have really big ****s, and like to swing it around on internet forums. I have both calluses and a large ****, and I'll probably stipple my AFG.
Food for thought.


could always stipple your **** while your at it lol

[Bro Jangles]

could always stipple your **** while your at it lol
that would suck, but ladies would love it.

[trunk_munkey28]

could always stipple your **** while your at it lol
The herpes took care of that, long ago.

[Yarrick2]

Haha, crap. All this talk reminded me of this picture I stumbled on a few years ago.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5659/mag.gif

I'd love to give credit to the originator of the picture, but I can't remember who posted it on M4C. roflIt was an industry joke from KAC with much love.

[Nickchios]

With some nice pictures from Stickman......

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2010/01/19/magpul-angled-fore-grip/

[Sand Man]

some of us manly men have calluses that really help in gripping things. I didnt think the AFG was slippery just a complete waste of 35 dollars.

I think we get the idea that you dislike the AFG.... and that you find Kilo 1-1 "unmanly".



Happy now?

[He219]

Doesn't do crap for me or my shooting other than take real-estate on a rail.
It's brilliant marketing though; for all the fanboys wanting to look like Travis Haley and Chris Costa.
Has the AFG improved your shooting?

[Virus]

I can see that for some people maybe it has, I don't have one and probably wont get one. Not that I think it is stupid, I like that they are coming up with new ways/modified ways to doing things. I just recently myself tried to train myself, muscle memory wise, with using their sword grip analogy. And I'm hesitant to say I like it as I have yet to shoot while doing it, but I'm becoming fond of it. :)

[trunk_munkey28]

Doesn't do crap for me or my shooting other than take real-estate on a rail.
It's brilliant marketing though; for all the fanboys wanting to look like Travis Haley and Chris Costa.
Has the AFG improved your shooting?

Its improved my comfort whilst shooting. I have a duty injury to my left wrist, resulting in a loss of mobility, and I find it far more comfortable to shoot with the AFG than thumb break with a stubby VFG. More comfortable > less fatiguing > better shooting.
I also like that it gives a sort of artificial length to my bottom rail; with the cross bolt in the forward most slot it adds about an inch, maybe two of 'gripping area' underneath the FSB, which allows me to stretch out the left arm that much closer to the muzzle.
Personally, I like it a lot, but I guess I'd be considered a Magpul fanboy.
Other's mileage may vary.

[Kilo1-1]

An equipment is only as good as the person using it knows how to use it. This applies to both good and bad stuff out there.

Is the AFG to make a person a better shooter? Yes and no.


Its improved my comfort whilst shooting. I have a duty injury to my left wrist, resulting in a loss of mobility, and I find it far more comfortable to shoot with the AFG than thumb break with a stubby VFG. More comfortable > less fatiguing > better shooting.
I also like that it gives a sort of artificial length to my bottom rail; with the cross bolt in the forward most slot it adds about an inch, maybe two of 'gripping area' underneath the FSB, which allows me to stretch out the left arm that much closer to the muzzle.
Personally, I like it a lot, but I guess I'd be considered a Magpul fanboy.
Other's mileage may vary.

trunk_munkey28, I also found the AFG easier on the wrists as well.

[Bro Jangles]

in regards to rail space i think i could mount one of these and a couple VFGs, and have room left over, but i dont know if id shoot in that style. id like to try one first. and lord knows ive dropped enough money with magpul. i got a BAD and MBUS on hold right now.

[Bacon]

New version of the AFG is coming out this summer.

[trunk_munkey28]

New version of the AFG is coming out this summer.
Details?
I would guess a slightly steeper rake, with a more ****ounced lip at the bottom, maybe a deeper texture.

[Bacon]

No details yet. Its wrapped in secrecy in Chris Costa's goatee.

[Kilo1-1]

I'm guessing the 2nd version will address the issue of different rail dimensions that prevented some users from putting side rail panels on with the AFG installed. Some rails such as Larue tend to be more narrow and not as wide, causing this issue.
I was lucky I'm running a KAC RAS, as they're wide enough to accommodate the rail panels on the side.

[Lasse]

Uhm... Anyone know if there is a major difference between the Magpul AFG and the Magpul PTS AFG?
Since I can't find anyone who ships overseas, I checked out some airsoft shops and they have a PTS version of it, but that doesn't tell me much about the quality (or lack of).

[Kilo1-1]

Uh, anything PTS is made overseas in HK. They're almost the same price. I'd go with the real deal.
I also heard that the PTS dept. doesn't use the same polymer mix? I could be wrong on this.

[Lasse]

Yeah I'd go for the proper version if someone would actually ship it over here. I guess I just have to wait a couple of years and pay ~ $100 for it when stores here get it.