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Havoc345
12-04-2009, 06:01 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/nyregion/11settle.html?_r=1


Westchester County entered into a landmark desegregation agreement on Monday that would compel it to create hundreds of houses and apartments for moderate-income people in overwhelmingly white communities and aggressively market them to nonwhites in Westchester and New York City.

The agreement, if ratified by the county’s Board of Legislators, would settle a lawsuit filed by an antidiscrimination group and could become a template for increased scrutiny of local governments’ housing policies by the Obama administration.
“This is consistent with the president’s desire to see a fully integrated society,” said Ron Sims, the deputy secretary of housing and urban development, which helped broker the settlement along with the Justice Department. “Until now, we tended to lay dormant. This is historic, because we are going to hold people’s feet to the fire.”
The agreement (http://www.antibiaslaw.com/settlement) calls for the county to spend more than $50 million of its own money, in addition to other funds, to build or acquire 750 homes or apartments, 630 of which must be provided in towns and villages where black residents constitute 3 percent or less of the population and Hispanic residents make up less than 7 percent. The 120 other spaces must meet different criteria for cost and ethnic concentration.
The county, one of the nation’s wealthiest suburbs, has seven years to complete the construction or acquisition of the affordable housing.
Affordable housing is defined by a complex formula, but generally it is meant to help working families keep from spending more than a third of their gross income on housing. A family of four could make up to $53,000 as a tenant and up to $75,000 as an owner and still qualify.
There is no minimum income level, “but it’s not going to be no-income,” said Craig Gurian, executive director of the Anti-Discrimination Center (http://www.antibiaslaw.com/), which filed the lawsuit. “This agreement is not focused on facilitating housing for the poorest of the poor.” The center is a nonprofit anti-bias advocacy and litigation group based in New York City.
Mr. Gurian said that while black and Hispanic residents have a disproportionate need for affordable housing, “this is an opportunity-creating agreement, not a guarantee” that the homes would go to minority members.
“Residential segregation underlies virtually every racial disparity in America, from education to jobs to the delivery of health care,” said Mr. Gurian.
No communities have been chosen to receive the homes, officials said. But according to the Anti-Discrimination Center, more than two dozen predominantly white towns or villages are eligible, including Bedford, Bronxville, Eastchester, Hastings-on-Hudson, Harrison, Larchmont, Mamaroneck, New Castle, Pelham Manor, Rye and Scarsdale.
A federal monitor, James E. Johnson, has been appointed to ensure that the county abides by the settlement. Given that 120,000 acres in the county meet the criteria, the monitor “should have no difficulty making sure that Westchester ends its policy of allowing affordable housing to be off-limits in the most highly white neighborhoods in the county,” Mr. Gurian said.
The lawsuit, filed under the federal False Claims Act, argued that when Westchester applied for federal Community Development Block Grants for affordable housing and other projects, county officials treated part of the application as boilerplate — lying when they claimed to have complied with mandates to encourage fair housing.
A Westchester official originally dismissed the suit as “garbage.” But the county was largely repudiated in February when Judge Denise L. Cote ruled (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/nyregion/27westchester.html) in Federal District Court that between 2000 and 2006 it had misrepresented its efforts to desegregate overwhelmingly white communities when it applied for the federal housing funds.
Judge Cote concluded that Westchester had made little or no effort to find out where low-income housing was being placed, or to finance homes and apartments in communities that opposed affordable housing.
As part of Monday’s agreement, the county admitted that it has the authority to challenge zoning rules in villages and towns that in many cases implicitly discourage affordable housing by setting minimum lot sizes, discouraging higher-density developments or appropriating vacant property for other purposes. Westchester agreed to “take legal action to compel compliance if municipalities hinder or impede the county” in complying with the agreement.

It was unclear Monday to what extent localities could thwart the agreement, if any chose to do so. Mary Beth Murphy, the town supervisor of Somers, which is among the possible locales for new housing, said that while she was unaware of the agreement, “we certainly are committed to affordable housing and have amended our zoning legislation in recent years to create more opportunities.”
The agreement could spark challenges to suburban county governments across the country that have resisted pressure to undo decades of residential segregation.
Andrew J. Spano (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/andrew_j_spano/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the Westchester County executive, attributed the settlement to “a historic shift of philosophy” by federal housing officials. He said he had signed the agreement to avoid further litigation and possible penalties.
The county admitted no wrongdoing, attributed the judge’s ruling to a technicality and argued that since it had previously invested in affordable housing, “what is different is the locations where the housing must be built.”
“We are settling the lawsuit because we have no choice,” Mr. Spano said.
The suit by the Anti-Discrimination Center applied to towns and villages in Westchester. The federal government deals directly with the county’s larger cities, among them Yonkers, which nearly went bankrupt before capitulating in a housing segregation case that began in 1980 and dragged on for years (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/20/nyregion/20yonkers.html). That city, which had concentrated public housing in its southwest, was forced to build on the east side, where more whites lived.
The agreement is subject to approval within 45 days by the county’s Board of Legislators, which is also required to approve a $32.9 million bond sale to help finance the housing. Without legislative approval, the litigation would resume and the county would be faced with having to prove at trial that it did not knowingly file false claims.
Most of the homes would be new construction, although some existing houses and apartments could qualify if the county made them permanently affordable.
The case was litigated by Mr. Gurian and the center’s lawyer, John Relman, and supported by testimony from Andrew A. Beveridge, a sociologist at Queens College (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/q/queens_college/index.html?inline=nyt-org) of the City University of New York (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/city_university_of_new_york/index.html?inline=nyt-org).
Dr. Beveridge found that “racial isolation is increasing for blacks, falling slightly for whites” and that “income level has very little impact on the degree of residential racial segregation experienced by African-Americans.”
Mr. Gurian said that the 750 homes called for by the agreement “represents only a small percentage of need,” but that “it’s designed to be practical.”

Albatross
12-04-2009, 06:04 PM
uhmmm, pretty sure thats called racism when they are targeting predominantly white communities. also, pretty sure its ILLEGAL AS FVCK!!

TheKiwi
12-04-2009, 06:10 PM
Buy the worst house in the best area is always the first rule when buying real estate for investment. This is about to make some (the chosen few who already have money to invest) rich without making any other kind of difference

Havoc345
12-04-2009, 06:13 PM
30 years after this has gone into effect and Westchester becomes overwhelmingly minority, the Black, Hispanic activists will complain that Orange, Ulster and Rockland Counties are "segregated". This plan will only turn Westchester into the Bronx 2.0

LineDoggie
12-04-2009, 06:26 PM
Eastchester has no Blacks and Hispanics? news to me. When I worked Construction up in Westchester most of our Minority Laborers lived in that AO.

UltimateHero
12-04-2009, 09:11 PM
With affirmative action, UNCF, and everything else put in place to help non-whites along how much further can we go? I'm not traditionally a racial person and have friends from many racial groups but seriously, how much time do people need to accept that there are too many negative cultural influences keeping so many of these kids out of school and thus out of higher-income housing? Forcing this issue will only lead to resentment and likely more blatant racism from people.
I had to join the Army to put myself through college because there weren't any scholarships out there for my white a$$!

CantGetRight
12-05-2009, 02:12 AM
I had to join the Army to put myself through college because there weren't any scholarships out there for my white a$$!

I remember when I was a junior in high school or something, there was a day that our class went to a computer lab to look up scholarships, there were advisers there specifically to help us look up these scholarships on some govt database.....

search for "white"....0 results, search for "black/african american" returned literally thousands

welcome to the politically correct, hypocritical, and racist world we live in

Zarak
12-05-2009, 02:16 AM
Honestly, I don't understand why white people put up with this bull****. Its racist as ****.

And as a black person, I resent all this bull**** for continuing to stoke the fires of racism by creating resentment against black people.

MJC9678
12-05-2009, 10:21 AM
Honestly, I don't understand why white people put up with this bull****. Its racist as ****.

And as a black person, I resent all this bull**** for continuing to stoke the fires of racism by creating resentment against black people.

EXACTLY! This helps no one. These programs destroy communities and create another generation of resentment towards blacks. Great example: When I was working full time in law school, I qualified for federal aid. However, I DID NOT GET THE AID. I was shocked to find out that although I had to personally apply for the program, the money was sent by the government to the school based on the number of students who qualified. Then the school determined who got what. Sound fair? Guess how much aid my white, blonde haired, blued eyed broke ass got? ZERO. When I confronted the school over this I was looked at like I was from Mars. Then when I did not re-apply the following years I was harassed by the administrators for not filling out the forms. I told them i would fill out the forms for them, only if they gave me the list of people who they were giving the aid to and further informed them that I was willing to go double or nothing on that year's tuition that the list would be 99% black or hispanic. Of course graduate school's are controlled by outright communists and subversives so I was marked as a troublemaker from that point on....

UltimateHero
12-05-2009, 05:00 PM
I never would have thought this would be a taboo subject in the 21st century!

szr
12-05-2009, 05:33 PM
No communities have been chosen to receive the homes, officials said. But according to the Anti-Discrimination Center, more than two dozen predominantly white towns or villages are eligible, including Bedford, Bronxville, Eastchester, Hastings-on-Hudson, Harrison, Larchmont, Mamaroneck, New Castle, Pelham Manor, Rye and Scarsdale.A buddy of mine from highschool lives right in the middle of that Bronxville-Eastchester area of Westchester County in Crestwood. Wonder what he thinks about the prospect of having his community hit with the 'equality' hammer. Oh, and for whatever it's worth, he isn't white.

LEGEND
12-05-2009, 05:55 PM
Honestly, I don't understand why white people put up with this bull****. Its racist as ****.

And as a black person, I resent all this bull**** for continuing to stoke the fires of racism by creating resentment against black people.


To add to the problem, its not the working educated people that receive these low income housing, its usually the outcasts that depend on government handouts. Putting top and bottom in wealth distribution in this country together will solve exactly what? There will be one outcome, rich will move out, the county will lose its tax revenue and turn into what big chunks of Brooklyn look like.

Stormy
12-05-2009, 09:42 PM
I had tried applying for some of these newer apartment developments which I found interesting in design popping up in my city (NYC) and it was either I made too much money to be accepted or made less to be accepted into the lotteries, which is what they do. NYC is undergoing a large middle class exodus at the moment also, from articles I had read in recent times.

On topic, placing an "acceptable ethnic standard" for entry to become an occupant in these residential is beyond me, it is blatant bigotry.

GeneralDisarray
12-06-2009, 10:50 AM
So when do we start moving white people to Bed Stuy?

MJC9678
12-06-2009, 01:53 PM
So when do we start moving white people to Bed Stuy?


After the dust settles from the MOAB's we would need to drop on that hell hole to clear it out.....

Stormy
12-06-2009, 03:51 PM
So when do we start moving white people to Bed Stuy?


They already there and continue to be moving there. LOL!

Yuppies and Hipsters, this is not new, been going on since a few years. Some amazing masonry housing stock in the Bed Sty.

Mackie
12-06-2009, 04:02 PM
Give children free access to education and a daily free meal for poor children.

stuntman
12-06-2009, 04:09 PM
LOL, this is payback for the dam hipsters in low income working class neighborhoods. They live like they are poor but their parents come from the neighborhoods that are going to be affected by this. Funny how the world turns on all types of people. Bottom line is that when ever this type of stuff happens, the rich get richer..

Stormy
12-06-2009, 04:22 PM
Hipsters types in "tight skinny jeans" can be found even in the South Bronx now in Mott Haven and Hunts Point. In Brooklyn in Greenpoint, Williamsburg, Bushwick, Red Hook, Bed Sty, Clinton Hill, Park Slope, Fort Greene. In Queens , Long Island City, Astoria, Steinway and Ridgewood. I've spoken to a few, and many were from out of state also (besides lower and midtown Manhattanites being priced out), many from Vermont, Twin Cities, Portland, Dallas, Denver and San Francisco. Most seem to be descending from middle class to upper middle class families/

UltimateHero
12-06-2009, 08:59 PM
This has been an interesting topic, thanks all for discussing and posting.

I haven't been keeping track but was there any sort of non-white outrage towards Jesse Jackson's comment "you can't call yourself a black man if you don't vote for universal healthcare" (or something to that nature)? I was speechless when I read that, was wondering if it was just me.

XShipRider
12-07-2009, 06:41 AM
Let's see... Lower the tax base of an affluent community then expect it to remain an affluent community. Yeah, that computes.

jimmyboots
12-07-2009, 10:40 AM
So when do we start moving white people to Bed Stuy?


Been happening, a buddy of mine is white as fvck and poor. Not a good combo. He gets a very hard time in that hood and has endured several beatings. Tough little bastard though.

LEGEND
12-10-2009, 04:39 PM
So when do we start moving white people to Bed Stuy?

Well if we use the same logic, to move a white person into BedStuy, the city would need to build a mansion with columns and 2 acres around it in the middle of projects and then place a white person in it to diversify the area.

Stormy
12-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Bed Sty is not the worst NYC, it also varies in economic class, and "white" people have been and continue to move into areas there which is not new, it's also more commuter friendly, which are the areas yuppies, old money and hips target. Brownsville however is, and is predominantly of lower classes too and is the most dangerous in our city. It also contains the largest percentage of lower income public housing. NYC compared to other cities in the U.S is generally overpriced too, small apts which are not even worth it going for 1600-1800$ and above far from core areas, which in another city for that price you have more space.