Cuba, Venezuela and Malaysia voting against condemning Iran's nuclear capabality!

[HangPC2]

Malaysia recalls its UN envoy over Iran nuclear voting



Report by Bernama December 6 2009


KUALA LUMPUR: The Foreign Ministry has recalled Malaysia's permanent representative to the United Nations (UN) in Vienna for consultations over the passing of a resolution on the Iran nuclear issue by the Board of Governors of the international Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Austria last month.

The ministry's statement here said voting on the matter was not in accordance with government procedures and that was why the representative was recalled. The IAEA Board on Governors on Nov 27 adopted a resolution tabled by Germany on the implementation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) Safeguards Agreement and the relevant provisions of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions 1737 (2006); 1747 (2007); 1803 (2008) and 1835 (2008) in Iran.

Malaysia, Cuba and Venezuela voted against the resolution while six countries abstained, one was absent and 25 adopted the resolution. "Malaysia is studying the outcome of the resolution and its implications. We will endeavour to work together with the international community in moving the Iranian nuclear issue forward. "In this regard, we will consult with members of the IAEA Board of Governors and other member states of the United Nations," the statement said.


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[Snoshi]

Who cares about Malaysia?

[Sootan]

Who cares about Malaysia?

Obviously you don't.

[XShipRider]

The genie has left the bottle. If the Persians want nukes, they'll certainly have nukes. What can any nation do to stop them? Answer: Nothing. The U.N. is impotent in this regard, that much is evident. All the sanctions in the world mean little to a nation who can always find buyers willing to flaunt said sanctions.

[gosciu555]

The genie has left the bottle. If the Persians want nukes, they'll certainly have nukes. What can any nation do to stop them? Answer: Nothing. The U.N. is impotent in this regard, that much is evident. All the sanctions in the world mean little to a nation who can always find buyers willing to flaunt said sanctions.

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power. Besides, even if they had nukes, so what? They might get a nuclear deterrent, ohh no. What a tragedy. If I was sitting on a big pool of oil, I'd be worried about my security as well. When are people going to get over it, Iran is not a homicidal maniac, just a typical military junta.

[ggk]

Who cares about Malaysia?

i care....luv

[HangPC2]

i care....luv



:):):):):):):):):):):)

[dracon49]

What an allies Iran has. Very supportive allies and very damocratic allies like Cuba:)

[3rdMillhouse]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power.

You're so fvcking naive.

[budgie]

Cuba and Venezuela are the usual suspects but Malaysia? What's their game? Hoping to have their own program one day because they're jumpy about the neighbours?

[nasiru]

^ I dont think so ,but we do have a research reactor for medical and plant research .To go for nuclear weapon seems wasteful and dangerous . The government now dont have enough money lol.

[RoyB]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power.
So that is why they're so open about their little nuke project?
Geeee thanks man.

[Freddys]

What the Cuban socialist now Sport the Islam ? :cantbeli:

[ggk]

^ I dont think so ,but we do have a research reactor for medical and plant research .To go for nuclear weapon seems wasteful and dangerous . The government now dont have enough money lol.

oh man..few years back when the bakun dam project were in trouble they seriously weighing to have a nuclear power plant with french help.

[Black_Eagle]

Cuba and Venezuela are the usual suspects but Malaysia? What's their game? Hoping to have their own program one day because they're jumpy about the neighbours?

60.4% islamic population.

[pg_ord]

Malaysia chairs IAEA, they also have tech to sell to Iran. ;)

[coltfan111]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power. Besides, even if they had nukes, so what? They might get a nuclear deterrent, ohh no. What a tragedy. If I was sitting on a big pool of oil, I'd be worried about my security as well. When are people going to get over it, Iran is not a homicidal maniac, just a typical military junta.

This post is one big,.:cantbeli:

[pg_ord]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power.

Wrong!!! Ayotallahs want it. Pragmatic conservatives too.


Besides, even if they had nukes, so what? They might get a nuclear deterrent, ohh no. What a tragedy.

IMHO Israel can defend it self quite well. Arabs (read KSA) will sh!t bricks. p-)


Iran is not a homicidal maniac, just a typical military junta.
not nearly as compared to Pakistani mullahs (who are not in power ...yet).

[BlackFlag]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power.

To quote a movie: "You don't put on a condom, unless you're going to f*ck".

[Sootan]

Originally Posted by gosciu555 http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4610276#post4610276)
They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power.



To quote a movie: "You don't put on a condom, unless you're going to f*ck".

With regard to nuclear weapons, how many have f*ucked after putting on the condom?

[TheMiddlePath]

Who cares about Malaysia?


China cares. Hu Jintao just visited Malaysia.
If your oil tanker passes through the Malacca straits, you better care.

[ggk]

60.4% islamic population.

nice... alot of innocent people are ****in bricks reading that statistic

[pg_ord]

nice... alot of innocent people are ****in bricks reading that statistic
well it is only natural to vote for brothers.... I don't think anybody is blind to that. Nobody sh!ts bricks over something obvious;)

[Clockwinder]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power. Besides, even if they had nukes, so what? They might get a nuclear deterrent, ohh no. What a tragedy. If I was sitting on a big pool of oil, I'd be worried about my security as well. When are people going to get over it, Iran is not a homicidal maniac, just a typical military junta.
Ummm - NO! They want NUKES - they say they want power. Since they are "sitting on a big pool of oil", what do they need nuclear for? With nuclear weapons they do not offer a deterrent, they offer a threat to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iraq - all of whom they have a stated and published desire to either extinguish, obliterate or otherwise wipe from the face of the earth. Iran is run by lunatics, governed by mad men, defended by megalomaniacs and administered by morons. Persians are yelling, "Death to the Dictator" from the rooftops and being beaten to death in prison. Obviously "just a typical military junta."

[SBL]

They don't want nukes, they just want nuclear power. Besides, even if they had nukes, so what? They might get a nuclear deterrent, ohh no. What a tragedy. If I was sitting on a big pool of oil, I'd be worried about my security as well. When are people going to get over it, Iran is not a homicidal maniac, just a typical military junta.
I hope you don't plan on making a career of politics.

[Clockwinder]

Cuba and Venezuela are the usual suspects but Malaysia? What's their game? Hoping to have their own program one day because they're jumpy about the neighbours?

Muslim country with strong trade ties to Venezuela (oil). Both are influenced by ex Communist Europe (particularly Russia). Malaysia feels threats (real or imagined) from China and India and has politically powerful neighbours - Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and to a lesser degree, Korea and Japan. There is no great love for the US and Britain has been their traditional mentor - lot of good that did! Malaysia has embraced Islam inside a largely secular society, after it's experience as an English colony and occupation under the Japanese during WWII. I really think Malaysia is the true example of an Asian country seeing that Europeans aren't all powerful and omnipotent and going their own way. However, it has strenuously fought against communism and socialism.

[ggk]

Muslim country with strong trade ties to Venezuela (oil). Both are influenced by ex Communist Europe (particularly Russia). Malaysia feels threats (real or imagined) from China and India and has politically powerful neighbours - Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and to a lesser degree, Korea and Japan. There is no great love for the US and Britain has been their traditional mentor - lot of good that did! Malaysia has embraced Islam inside a largely secular society, after it's experience as an English colony and occupation under the Japanese during WWII. I really think Malaysia is the true example of an Asian country seeing that Europeans aren't all powerful and omnipotent and going their own way. However, it has strenuously fought against communism and socialism.

some historical mistake there.

[SBL]

Cuba and Venezuela are the usual suspects but Malaysia? What's their game? Hoping to have their own program one day because they're jumpy about the neighbours?
It's the old case of haves and have-nots. As more countries aspire to possess nukes (thank you India, Pakistan, Iran, etc.) , they become of greater importance on a more local scale. Regional players are now going to have to pursue them as well if they want to remain competitive against their neighbors.

[Clockwinder]

some historical mistake there.
Mind telling me where?

[pg_ord]

It's the old case of haves and have-nots. As more countries aspire to possess nukes (thank you India, Pakistan, Iran, etc.) , they become of greater importance on a more local scale. Regional players are now going to have to pursue them as well if they want to remain competitive against their neighbors.
Its human nature really. People at the top try to remain so, people at the bottom try to move up following the lead. ;)

[SBL]

Its human nature really. People at the top try to remain so, people at the bottom try to move up following the lead. ;)
Hardly makes it a good idea.

[ggk]

Mind telling me where?

im not disputing the rest, its your opinion. But this below is a minor mistake.


Malaysia has embraced Islam inside a largely secular society, after it's experience as an English colony and occupation under the Japanese during WWII.


Prehistoric Malaysia

Early kingdoms
Gangga Negara (2nd–11th)
Langkasuka (2nd–14th)
Pan Pan (3rd–5th)
Srivijaya (7th–13th)
Kedah Kingdom (630-1136)

The rise of Muslim states
Kedah Sultanate (1136–present)
Malacca Sultanate (1402–1511)
Sulu Sultanate (1450–1899)
Johor Sultanate (1528–present)

European colonialism
Portuguese Malacca (1511-1641)
Dutch Malacca (1641-1824)
Straits Settlements (1826–1946)
British Malaya (1874–1946)
Federated Malay States (1895–1946)
Unfederated Malay States (1909–1946)
Kingdom of Sarawak (1841–1946)
North Borneo (1882–1963)

World War II
Japanese occupation (1941–1945)

Malaysia in transition
Malayan Union (1946–1948)
Federation of Malaya (1948–1963)
Independence (1957)
Federation of Malaysia (1963–present)

[pg_ord]

Hardly makes it a good idea.
it depends actually. If you speak about China and India things have changed for better. ;)

[Clockwinder]

OK mate - You're the citizen and I'm not gonna argue with you about your own country's history. I lived in Penang/Singapore/ KL for 10 years 70s & 80s. Let's let it ride and the thread get back to it's intent?
selamat siang

[SBL]

it depends actually. If you speak about China and India things have changed for better. ;)
Don't forget Pakistan.

[pg_ord]

Don't forget Pakistan.
exactly. it depends, we cannot generalize. Iranians have nothing to lose. They have all the possible sanctions applied towards them. Diplomatically I doubt there is anymore room. As I see it Arabs have a Sunni bomb in Pakistan, so no wonder Persians want to have it. If anyone, net losers are arabs. JMT

[LineDoggie]

Mind telling me where? British, not English......

British Malaya till 1946, Malayan Union in 46, Federation in 48, Independence in 57, Malaysia in 63

[Clockwinder]

British, not English......

British Malaya till 1946, Malayan Union in 46, Federation in 48, Independence in 57, Malaysia in 63
Ohh pardon my antipodean colonial parochialism is showing.

[ggk]

minor mistake... lets get back to topic

[SBL]

exactly. it depends, we cannot generalize. Iranians have nothing to lose. They have all the possible sanctions applied towards them. Diplomatically I doubt there is anymore room. As I see it Arabs have a Sunni bomb in Pakistan, so no wonder Persians want to have it. If anyone, net losers are arabs. JMT
Of course we can generalize. More nukes in more hands= greater chance of an exchange, or at the very least conflict as nations try to head each other off at the pass, so to speak. Brave new future.

[pg_ord]

Of course we can generalize. More nukes in more hands= greater chance of an exchange, or at the very least conflict as nations try to head each other off at the pass, so to speak. Brave new future.
Yeah of course there is always a possibility of use of dirty bomb by non-state actors from a country inspite of CTBT, NPT or any other 3/4 letter treaty.
Mutually Assured Destruction will mean more covert warfare.

[SBL]

Yeah of course there is always a possibility of use of dirty bomb by non-state actors from a country inspite of CTBT, NPT or any other 3/4 letter treaty.
Mutually Assured Destruction will mean more covert warfare.
That's an optimistic way of looking at it.

[pg_ord]

That's an optimistic way of looking at it.
Here is a pessimistic view then :) ....
MAD will deter rational nation states who are looking for continuity, survival and prosperity. It has no meaning for an irrational terror group.

[SBL]

Here is a pessimistic view then :) ....
MAD will deter rational nation states who are looking for continuity, survival and prosperity. It has no meaning for an irrational terror group.
It will deter them as long as nobody makes a successful drive on their capital, I suppose. Also, watch for an increase in irrational non-state actors as the gridlock on conventional methods manifests itself.

[pg_ord]

Nuclear terrorism is a real threat. Countries have used proxies/client states to fight each other. Non state actors are not new.... I agree they will only grow in number.

[SBL]

Nuclear terrorism is a real threat. Countries use proxies/client states to fight each other. Cold war is the best example.
Duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh.........