India: The end of the BJP?

[Ordie]

Analysis: Could this be the end of India's BJP? (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/india/091205/india-politics-bjp-babri-mosque)



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A 17-year investigation into a notorious attack on India's Muslim community may send the party spiraling.
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By Jason Overdorf (http://www.globalpost.com/bio/jason-overdorf) - GlobalPost Published: December 7, 2009 06:45 ET


NEW DELHI, India — This week, one of the most shameful incidents in India's democratic history will once again come into focus, as parliament debates the findings of a government-sponsored report on the 1992 razing of the 16th-century Babri Mosque. But despite taking 17 years and costing the country $1.7 million, the report is hardly likely to put an end to the controversy — or India's troubling flirtation with religious nationalism.
“While the BJP has been much defamed for raising these issues originally, it's now the so-called secular parties [like the Congress] who are keeping these issues alive so they can reap political benefits,” said moderate Bharatiya Janata Party leader Yashwant Sinha.
More than 1,000 pages in length, the report compiled by Justice M.S. Liberhan squarely places the blame for the destruction of the mosque built by India's first Mughal emperor, Babar, on the Hindu nationalist BJP and its paramilitary parent organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. He rejects categorically the BJP's claim that the destruction was a spontaneous act, and instead labels it the product of a carefully planned conspiracy. But this is hardly news.
“There's nothing novel,” said Pralay Kanungo, a professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University's Center for Political Studies. “The commission has not come out with any startling revelations.”
Indeed, over 17 years, Liberhan conducted an in-depth investigation into an issue about which all the important facts have always been known. The destruction of the mosque by Hindu fanatics was the culmination of an eight year campaign captained by the BJP's Lal Krishna Advani, during which the leader traveled the country by caravan to recruit volunteers to build a temple on the disputed site, where some claim the Hindu god Ram was born.
Around 150,000 kar sewaks, or “volunteers,” showed up on Dec. 6, 1992. They carried bricks and building materials, and when the mob erupted in supposedly spontaneous anger to assault the mosque, they miraculously produced ropes to rappel down its sides and picks and shovels to break it apart. In the riots that inevitably followed more than 2,000 people were killed. And by projecting itself as the protector of the Hindus, the BJP emerged as India's strongest political party for the first time in 50 years.
The Liberhan report, which echoing a general consensus the Indian Express called “fit for the bin,” adds little to that knowledge, will do nothing to speed the two court cases underway against the people allegedly involved in destroying the mosque, and does not recommend any punitive action against the 68 people named in it. But by bringing Ayodhya and Hindu nationalism to public focus in the midst of the chaos-ridden BJP's apparently unstoppable decline, Liberhan's costly and flabby tome could nevertheless prove to be important.
In many respects, the rise of the BJP marked a dark chapter for Indian history. As the political wing of the RSS, the BJP's roots lay in an essentially fascist ideology called “Hindutva” that was anathema to India's founding principles of secularism and equality. This doctrine, invented by RSS founder V.D. Savarkar in his 1923 tract “Hindutva! Who Is a Hindu?”, asserts that India is the country of the Hindus, engaged in a thousand-year-old struggle against Muslim invaders, like Babar. A Hindu is “a person who regards the land of Bharatvarsha from the Indus to the Seas as his Fatherland, as well as his Holy land — that is the cradle land of his religion,” Savarkar claimed, an expression of ideology that cast Muslims and Christians, whose holy lands were located in the Middle East, as outsiders.

If the similarities between Savarkar’s cultural Hinduism and the Germanic “folk” so admired by Nazism were not already obvious, in 1938 RSS chief M.S. Golwalkar made the comparison explicit in “We or Our Nationhood Defined.”
“To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races — the Jews,” he wrote. “From this standpoint sanctioned by the experience of shrewd old nations, the non-Hindu people in Hindustan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language ... They must cease to be foreigners or may stay in the country wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation claiming nothing, deserving no privileges…not even citizen’s rights.”
According to Tapan Basu, Pradip Datta, Sumit Sarkar, Tanika Sarcar and Sambuddha Sen, the authors of Khaki Shorts, Saffron Flags, “the RSS and its affiliates have never repudiated this definition of Hindu Rashtra” or the Hindu state.
But even before its back-to-back losses against the Congress party in the last two elections the BJP — while stopping short of repudiating Hindutva — was seeking to remake itself as the conservative alternative to Congress liberalism instead of its neo-fascist bogeyman. Its stint at the head of government from 1998 to 2003 had proven that it would have to modulate some of its anti-Muslim jingoism to attract and keep coalition partners. And party technocrats had already begun to suspect that the core issues of 1992 — “Hindu pride” and the Congress party's alleged coddling of the Muslim minority — were fading in their importance to voters.
By bringing these repugnant aspects of the party into focus again, the Liberhan report promises to undermine those efforts by the party's moderates and tempt the BJP back to the chauvinist identity that holds for it an almost magnetic force. That's bad for India — which could do without forces that seek to stir up trouble among its religiously and ethnically diverse population.
But it could also spell disaster for the BJP. If the past two elections weren't enough, the reaction to the Mumbai attacks showed that confidence in the country's economic rise has made Indians less vulnerable — though not immune — to puppeteering by rabble-rousing demagogues.
“The BJP is slightly out of sync with the times,” said a Delhi University professor, Mahesh Rangarajan. “Unless it works out how to create a space for itself in this new 21st-century India, it may have a long wait [before it can hope to return to power].”


Source:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/india/091205/india-politics-bjp-babri-mosque

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Squarely blamed ?? This is a result of continued Minority Appeasement peddled as "Secularism" by successive Congress led governments.
From the Liberhan Report....

Singling out the Babri Masjid Action Committee, later the All India Babri Masjid Action Committee, it said: “The Muslim leadership did little to counter the latent fears stoked up by the RSS and VHP leadership and instead provided it with the opportunity to embark on what started out as a defensive strategy.” According to the report: “It is impossible to fight a war or to recruit warriors without the presence of an adversary.… The Muslim leadership wittingly or unwittingly fulfilled this requirement for the founders of the RSS and the VHP.”The article is tryings its best to compare BJP to Nazis.... truly amazing!! p-)
That being said BJP right now is a party of geriatrics..... they currently don't have the ability to lead a young country....

[dredger14]

Then the Congress should be banned for the slaughter of the Sikhs in 84' and responsibility for the Islamist ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Hindu's from the Kashmir valley.

Just another routine discharge from the Western leftists that collectively fainted when the Nationalists detonated the nuke in 98'. And the comparison with the Nazis is getting really old.

[ASHISH67]

Idiots in our country deserve this because they voted for congress party . Congress has purposely imported 10 million bangladeshi muslims so they can vote for congress acc to unofficial figures 25 percent of indias population now consist of muslims these elites will not rest until india is an islamic country.

[Ordie]

Idiots in our country will get what they vote for . Congress has purposely imported 10 million bangladeshi muslims so they can vote for congress acc to unofficial figures 25 percent of indias population is muslims these elites will not rest until india is an islamic country.

How can you tell the difference between a Bangladeshi and a Bengali Muslim?

[ASHISH67]

How can you tell the difference between a Bangladeshi and a Bengali Muslim?

Bro i had seen a documentary(ill try to find it) which showed illegal bangladeshis were living in our sides of villeges and had become the majority moreover if you come to delhi,gurgaon or noida you can easily find illegal bangladeshis working here and police cannot deport them because certain ministers have given them full protection.

[VAMAN]

This is a very biased article.

[JBH22]

Idiots in our country deserve this because they voted for congress party . Congress has purposely imported 10 million bangladeshi muslims so they can vote for congress acc to unofficial figures 25 percent of indias population now consist of muslims these elites will not rest until india is an islamic country.

yep fully agree with you the BJP is a nationalist party who realise that India needs to be a more powerful nation,it is under their leadership that the the israel-india partnership started.
Perhaps with MODI the BJP will pick up again...

[Ordie]

Bro i had seen a documentary(ill try to find it) which showed illegal bangladeshis were living in our sides of villeges and had become the majority moreover if you come to delhi,gurgaon or noida you can easily find illegal bangladeshis working here and police cannot deport them because certain ministers have given them full protection.

I did a little research.

It's seems that there are literally hundreds of enclaves in between India and Bangladesh within each others borders.

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/coochbehar_annotated1.jpg

[Alok]

Nobody can say that BJP wil vanish from India, though it may not form a govt. at the center for some time. It is definitely a threat to India's multicultural society, but it can transform it to a level which can be accepted to the People of India. India needs a strong opposition and only BJP can be the opposition to keep Congress on its heel. If they continue to cry like morons like they do now, they will fade as they have come to the corridors of power. Their biggest liability is that they can not think beyond Hinduism, a movie that has no takers.

[Ordie]

How many non Hindus voted for the BJP?
How many Hindus voted for Congress?

In the last general elections.

[JBH22]

How many non Hindus voted for the BJP?
How many Hindus voted for Congress?
In the last general elections.


How many non Hindus voted for the BJP?
low numbers
How many Hindus voted for Congress?
many infact because of them congress is in power minorities non hindus cannot make congress win by themselves

[dredger14]

The main reason why the Congress got re-elected is because the BJP is so damn full of old "past expiry date" people. The infighting started way before the elections. The Congress made full use of this via the media(leftist sympathetic). The clueless BJP still doesn't know what hit them.

Unlike Rahul Gandhi and Manmohan Singh in the INC the BJP has no effective counterparts and hence is seen in a very poor light by the educated middle classes.

The BJP is made up of several factions, the moderate one was led by the Vajpayee-Naidu group and the extremist one by the Adhvani group. The Gujarat retaliation riots were ordered right from the top(Central government), Modi-though involved, was made "the" scapegoat from within the ranks of the BJP.
Meanwhile the thousands of victims of the Sikh pogroms still await justice while the three ringleaders of the pogroms are dying on their beds from old age, unmolested. Same for the Kashmiri Pundits rotting in refugee slums outside Delhi.

[WingCommander]

The tragedy that happened in '92 was not only for muslims but also for every Indian citizen. BJP and RSS were fully responsible for it and anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded fool.

@ASHISH67: You are talking absolute ****...if congress wanted more muslims they would have made bangladesh part of India instead of a separate country. Why dont you open your eyes instead of accepting anything the right wing nutters spout.

[WingCommander]

Then the Congress should be banned for the slaughter of the Sikhs in 84' and responsibility for the Islamist ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Hindu's from the Kashmir valley.

Just another routine discharge from the Western leftists that collectively fainted when the Nationalists detonated the nuke in 98'. And the comparison with the Nazis is getting really old.

Yes the congress is guilty for the riots against the sikhs but not for kashmir...pak and separatists are responsible for that. Those separatists should be lined up against a wall and shot for treason.

[WingCommander]

yep fully agree with you the BJP is a nationalist party who realise that India needs to be a more powerful nation,it is under their leadership that the the israel-india partnership started.
Perhaps with MODI the BJP will pick up again...

Yes a murderer will make India great. :roll:

[WingCommander]

1.How many non Hindus voted for the BJP?
2.How many Hindus voted for Congress?

In the last general elections.

1. Minimal
2. Majority

Which shows people of India don't want this religion bollocks anymore at the expense of development and that majority of them are secular.

[dredger14]

Yes the congress is guilty for the riots against the sikhs
How convenient!! More proof that certain people don't come under the seculars umbrella, only riots against certain minorities come under scrutiny..
Yeah and till today 35 years have past and no-one has been brought to justice.. very secular indeed.
The Congress uses the media(marxist leftist) to great effect, that is why they get away with murder time and again.

but not for kashmir...pak and separatists are responsible for that. Those separatists should be lined up against a wall and shot for treason.
The slaughter happened in Indian Kashmir!! The Congress is fully responsible for not stopping it. And so is the conformist pinko media(ugly turds like Burkha Dutt, Arundati Roy, etc-etc are heroes!!)
Also this shows the level of cunning and hypocrisy in self-proclaimed pseudo-seculars like yourself, Modi is a murderer for allowing the riots to happen, but the congress is not to blame for letting hundred times more Pundits to be cleansed from their ancestral homes. One set of rules for the "sekoolar" Congress and another for the "Savage" Hindus....Nice

The biggest threat to India are parasites like these people.. bent on destroying Indic(read Hindu) culture-their greatest threat.


1. Minimal
2. Majority

Which shows people of India don't want this religion bollocks anymore at the expense of development and that majority of them are secular.
Not really!! the current BJP leadership is clueless and the people know it. The Congress faced a complacant and ill-prepared opponent and won. Thanks mainly to that old fart Adhvani.

[WingCommander]

Ive mentioned that congress guilty!! what else you want me to say ??

Modi is sitting free atm and so is bjp, rss and congress.

So you would rather vote on the basis of religion than on development ?

What is Indian culture ?? every corner of the country has a different culture...stop deluding yourself. The tamils refuse to speak hindi and you're louding nonsense. Indian culture is mixture so accept it.

[dredger14]

Ive mentioned that congress guilty!! what else you want me to say ??

Modi is sitting free atm and so is bjp, rss and congress.

So you would rather vote on the basis of religion than on development ?
Equal standards and a uniform civil code!! to hell with that Sharia rubbish, if Muslims want Sharia then they don't deserve to be in a secular country, they should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh where the Hindus, Sikhs and Christians are wiped out....
The least the Congress could do is rehabilitate the Pundits and hang those three Delhi ringleaders.
Till then they are the same if not worse than the Right wing, how come they don't teach people this stuff at school??
NCERT-the mind game, the congress is playing the gullible Indian people like a violin and they know they will get away with anything because they are "secular".


What is Indian culture ?? every corner of the country has a different culture...stop deluding yourself. The tamils refuse to speak hindi and you're louding nonsense. Indian culture is mixture so accept it.
What the hell does Indian culture have to do with Tamils and Hindi, the anti-Hindi demonstrations are the reason why soo many Indians speak English and hence the Indian IT boom, see the Urdu speaking Pakistanis, Hindi speaking UP/Biharis and their English speaking skills. The only reason why the Marxists have little physical power is because no-one is willing to give up their religion over their brand of secularism, see the state of Bengal once the most prosperous state in India-now a poverty stricken hellhole that no investor will step inside.

[WingCommander]

where have i mentioned sharia law should be imposed ?? :|

Pakistan and bangladesh should not be a measuring stick to compare with India as we are miles ahead of them. I dont understand why you hate congress ? all the parties are **** but congress is less **** than the others.

Why didn't the bjp rehabilitate the pundits when they were in power ?

Language is a part of every culture so thats why i brought it up...i have nothing against tamils speaking english. All of us have learned english in school with our local language (hindi for me.)

[dredger14]

where have i mentioned sharia law should be imposed ?? :|
That's what you are supporting knowingly or not...
Pakistan and bangladesh should not be a measuring stick to compare with India as we are miles ahead of them. I dont understand why you hate congress ? all the parties are **** but congress is less **** than the others.
Not really, you just are totally unaware of the shyte the Congress has pulled and has gotten away with..Your naivety stems from the ignorance that the system so cravenly imparts via the educational system, you know only what the system wants you to know, ask around, do some research on the net it will make you sick in the stomach
Why didn't the bjp rehabilitate the pundits when they were in power ?
because only the Congress has to do so..its completely their fault
Language is a part of every culture so thats why i brought it up...i have nothing against tamils speaking english. All of us have learned english in school with our local language (hindi for me.)

You learn't English in school because the proposal to make Hindi the national language was shot down mainly by the Tamils and Bengalis..If not the entire country's schooling system would have become like a Hindi vernacular school somewhere in the cowbelt... similar to the average schools in Bangladesh or Pakistan..
I don't like the BJP at all but i feel that they are the only buffer against the treasonous policies of the Left. Read their manifestos see what they envision for their own countrymen....
There always has to be two sides, a counter-nullifying force, like them or loathe them the BJP are that force. What happens when the good people in the Congress pass away??

[WingCommander]

You learn't English in school because the proposal to make Hindi the national language was shot down mainly by the Tamils and Bengalis..If not the entire country's schooling system would have become like a Hindi vernacular school somewhere in the cowbelt... similar to the average schools in Bangladesh or Pakistan..
I don't like the BJP at all but i feel that they are the only buffer against the treasonous policies of the Left. Read their manifestos see what they envision for their own countrymen....
There always has to be two sides, a counter-nullifying force, like them or loathe them the BJP are that force. What happens when the good people in the Congress pass away??

First of all i in no way want sharia law imposed....i dont know where you got the idea i wanted it in the first place? Being a secular country doesn't mean imposing sharia law :roll:

Every party has done bad things...no one is perfect. When the bjp was in power they were responsible for every indian citizen which included rehabilitating the pundits. BJP can only be a force again if they fine tune there policies to the betterment and development of the country rather than follow idiots like advani.

I know all about the language situation and i don't believe everything i read in school books,newspapers. I suggest you look at the wider picture.

[Angelino]

How can you tell the difference between a Bangladeshi and a Bengali Muslim?
Same way you can tell the difference between a guy from Brooklyn and a guy from Texas. Has nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with regional accent and dialect.

[WingCommander]

Same way you can tell the difference between a guy from Brooklyn and a guy from Texas. Has nothing to do with the religion and everything to do with regional accent and dialect.

But the region is same p-)

[hulaku]

Yes a murderer will make India great. :roll:

You talking about Narinder Modi?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3987097&postcount=18

[Alok]

To all the learned people here some news which you should see 1. 80 temples demolished by Modi's Govt http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/8...ow/3706244.cms These were illegally built on Govt. land and were hindering infrastructure expansion work. Those temples were like make shift worship place.
2. Tata's nano plant in Gujrat http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...108_390634.htm So....Tata Nano is the ultimate achievement of India's growth story or what???In TamilNadu car manufacturers are opening shops literally every fortnight or so.
3. Appoints a Muslim police chief http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...ow/4167080.cms See the time, When Modi choose to appoint him!!!
4. What corporate honchos say about him http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/3979779.cms PS: My point here is that judge a man by his merit and dont follow what some so called secularist and parts of the media are saying hulaku is offline Reply With Quote Corporate honchos were going gaga over Hitler too...We have already recognized another moron after Jihna from Gujurat (Jijna's father shifted from Kathiawad to Karachi).

[JBH22]

Yes a murderer will make India great. :roll:

each nation has a controversial leader btw who is the greatest murderer Bush,Blair or Modi try to compare the death these 2 caused.don't feed me with sh*** propaganda

[hulaku]

These were illegally built on Govt. land and were hindering infrastructure expansion work. Those temples were like make shift worship place.
Okay they were illegal because they were Hindu temples. Give me an example of the even 1 mosque being demolished like this. And we are talking about Modi the great Hindu fascist:). Give me an example of a secular Indian doing the same.


So....Tata Nano is the ultimate achievement of India's growth story or what???In TamilNadu car manufacturers are opening shops literally every fortnight or so.Its about Gujarat being one of the most progressive states in India. Do you understand development? Tamil Nadu? With all the Karunandhis - Jayalalitha games played over there by all these political jokers.


See the time, When Modi choose to appoint him!!! Better late than ever.

Corporate honchos were going gaga over Hitler too...Do you have any link or source or did you just put this out of your dirty little whatever? Tata, Ambani and Mittal. You do know who they are right?


We have already recognized another moron after Jihna from Gujurat (Jijna's father shifted from Kathiawad to Karachi).His name was Jinnah (and not Jihna or Jijna and the state is called Gujarat)
Get the names right and then probably a halfwit like you would be taken seriously.

[Alok]

Okay they were illegal because they were Hindu temples. Give me an example of the even 1 mosque being demolished like this. And we are talking about Modi the great Hindu fascist. Give me an example of a secular Indian doing the same. They were illegal for the obvious reason for being illegal as per the judiciary of India. VHP unsuccessfully knocked at the door of the court to stop it...
Its about Gujarat being one of the most progressive states in India. Do you understand development? Tamil Nadu? With all the Karunandhis - Jayalalitha games played over there by all these political jokers. If you are that prosperous(in brain to understand development), you should have known the back ground of the economy of Gujrat through out Indian history. Yeh, you rightly called them, the Jokers in Indian politics, they have been playing major role in any govt. formed at center post Narashimha Rao. Sometime you will come to know about the 30,000 crore rupees of financial dole to Tatas, just to show Budhhadeb his place.
Better late than ever. It can not be better than just before an election....hahaha
Do you have any link or source or did you just put this out of your dirty little whatever? Tata, Ambani and Mittal. You do know who they are right? You use your bigger "whatever" to type few words in Google to find it for your self! "Tata, Ambani and Mittal", yeh they are among the biggest defaulters of Indian Govt.
We have already recognized another moron after Jihna from Gujurat (Jijna's father shifted from Kathiawad to Karachi). His name was Jinnah (and not Jihna or Jijna and the state is called Gujarat) Get the names right and then probably a halfwit like you would be taken seriously. Hey, I got another two write(Kathiawad,Karachi).....Please take me half seriously, otherwise I can not sleep...Hahahaha

[hulaku]

@Alok

Lala Peace welcome back.

Still crying like a little girl over Shahrukh Khanp-)

[kadu]

The tragedy that happened in '92 was not only for muslims but also for every Indian citizen. BJP and RSS were fully responsible for it and anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded fool.

@ASHISH67: You are talking absolute ****...if congress wanted more muslims they would have made bangladesh part of India instead of a separate country. Why dont you open your eyes instead of accepting anything the right wing nutters spout.


Not much into this, but do know that Congress is the worst of all ,they have created all kinds of problems just for the sake of winning ,Punjab,Assam,Gorkhaland etc are all their creations. As regarding Bangladesh ,I have stayed in Assam for a long time and have seen what happened there,during the 71 war a whole lot of Bangladeshis
moved into Assam and have never gone back Courtesy, The congress
because those are the 100% votes and growing everyday and soon will constitute the most of Assam. Such a peaceful and beutifull state spoilt
for the creation of something no good , leading to the assam problem and ULFA.

[WingCommander]

Not much into this, but do know that Congress is the worst of all ,they have created all kinds of problems just for the sake of winning ,Punjab,Assam,Gorkhaland etc are all their creations. As regarding Bangladesh ,I have stayed in Assam for a long time and have seen what happened there,during the 71 war a whole lot of Bangladeshis
moved into Assam and have never gone back Courtesy, The congress
because those are the 100% votes and growing everyday and soon will constitute the most of Assam. Such a peaceful and beutifull state spoilt
for the creation of something no good , leading to the assam problem and ULFA.

Bangladeshies are bound to move more into India in the future because of global warming and rising water levels rofl Yes the congress sent them invitation cards didn't they with a box full of sweets aswell.

BJP went and begged to the taliban in afghanistan...thats what i call national debacle. All there talk of taking a hard stance is full of sh*t. They were in power in the 90's why didn't they send the illegal immigrants back ? why didn't they rehabilitate the pundits ? All politicians are thieves now so don't make the bjp out to be the saviours of our country.

Im not saying congress is nice and pretty but painting them all evil is wrong.

[kadu]

Bangladeshies are bound to move more into India in the future because of global warming and rising water levels rofl Yes the congress sent them invitation cards didn't they with a box full of sweets aswell.

BJP went and begged to the taliban in afghanistan...thats what i call national debacle. All there talk of taking a hard stance is full of sh*t. They were in power in the 90's why didn't they send the illegal immigrants back ? why didn't they rehabilitate the pundits ? All politicians are thieves now so don't make the bjp out to be the saviours of our country.

Im not saying congress is nice and pretty but painting them all evil is wrong.


With u on this one they are all of the same stock, all f***ing thieves and liars. Thanks to them the country is in such a bad shape.

[hulaku]

They were illegal for the obvious reason for being illegal as per the judiciary of India.
They were illegal as per the local Municipal laws. How many mosques have been demolished in India for the same reason. If there is a mosque the road is usually built around it. That is pseudo-secularism at its finest in practice.


VHP unsuccessfully knocked at the door of the court to stop it... VHP is a bunch of social retards who act like empty vessels making a lot of noise but doing nothing. Nobody gives a damn to what they say.

If you are that prosperous(in brain to understand development), Prosperous in the brain:)

you should have known the back ground of the economy of Gujrat through out Indian historyIts Gujarat. Please enlighten me on its role in the Indian economy. As for the reference to Gujarat as a place where so called trouble makers like Modi and Jinnah were born let me bring it to your notice that The Father of the Nation Mahatama Gandhi and the man who brought together all the princely states after Independence Sardar Vallabhai Patel were Gujarati's. You comments stink of regionalism against Gujarat for whatever reason it may be.

. Yeh, you rightly called them, the Jokers in Indian politics, they have been playing major role in any govt. formed at center post Narashimha Rao. So have been a large array of various regional politics. Welcome to the era of coalition politics.

Sometime you will come to know about the 30,000 crore rupees of financial dole to Tatas,Kind post a link or source. Or like your Hitler comment it was just a brain fart.


just to show Budhhadeb his place.My love to all the commie lovers.


It can not be better than just before an election....Just a typical case of you are damned if you do and you are damned if you dont.

hahaha You use your bigger "whatever" to type few words in Google to find it for your self!The proof of burden lie on you. You made a strong statement, now back it up with credible links or sources. And no I will not look for it myself cause its a false statement.

"Tata, Ambani and Mittal", yeh they are among the biggest defaulters of Indian Govt.That is a extreme Dumbarse comment but coming from you Iam not surprised.


Hey, I got another two write(Kathiawad,Karachi).....Please take me half seriously, otherwise I can not sleep...HahahahaIts right and not write.

[VAMAN]

How many non Hindus voted for the BJP?
How many Hindus voted for Congress?

In the last general elections.
There is a fundamental difference between self identities of Hindus and Muslims in India. Hindus have strong regional and caste identities, so this thing divides their votes. Whereas for Muslims their religion is foremost, so they are somewhat unified in their voting pattern. So Mr. Ordie your question is a bit misplaced.

[JBH22]

All bjp haters see what congress has done now by allowing formation of telangana state they opened a pandora box only for votes banks..

[hulaku]

All bjp haters see what congress has done now by allowing formation of telangana state they opened a pandora box only for votes banks..

Congress again doing what its best at, divide and rule.

[VAMAN]

Congress government is about to give reservation quotas to Muslims and Christians. So much appeasement for votes.

Govt set to reopen quota can of worms (http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/74338/India/Govt+set+to+reopen+quota+can+of+worms.html)



BJP went and begged to the taliban in afghanistan...thats what i call national debacle. All there talk of taking a hard stance is full of sh*t. They were in power in the 90's why didn't they send the illegal immigrants back ? why didn't they rehabilitate the pundits ? All politicians are thieves now so don't make the bjp out to be the saviours of our country.
When Indian Airlines plane was hijacked and taken to Kandahar, then PM Atalbihari Vajpayee had convened an all party meeting. Every party including Congress was putting pressure on BJP government to get the release of the hostages. So my friend there was a national consensus on this issue.



Im not saying congress is nice and pretty but painting them all evil is wrong.
Congress people are very evil. You really have no idea.

[JBH22]

Congress again doing what its best at, divide and rule.

yep these losers are not satisfied about their role in partition now they are again playing their same game.

[raavan]

All bjp haters see what congress has done now by allowing formation of telangana state they opened a pandora box only for votes banks..


Iam from Telangana region.I do support formation of seperate Telangana but if its formed it will be a bad example for others.So we have to suffer for more and more years by staying united so that we dont have to be a bad example.

[WingCommander]

http://seoblackhat.com/upimage/tinfoilhat.jpg

[Alok]

The proof of burden lie on you. You made a strong statement, now back it up with credible links or sources. And no I will not look for it myself cause its a false statement. Kindly go through it... http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:QIaW69hOZVIJ:www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/hitler_warning.htm+capitalist%27s+love+for+hitler&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a (http://www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/hitler_warning.htm+capitalist&#39;s+love+for+hitler&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a)

[JBH22]

Iam from Telangana region.I do support formation of seperate Telangana but if its formed it will be a bad example for others.So we have to suffer for more and more years by staying united so that we dont have to be a bad example.

INDIa in the past suffered because of lack of unity due to ethnic or caste divide the formation of additional states IMO will further jeopardise the country's interest.

[BubuTheMonkeyPrincE]

First, why are you guys even bothering about am article written by a non-Indian who has no clue of what he is talking about?

Anyways bottomlineis COngress is bad for India, even the left are better than them.

[WingCommander]

First, why are you guys even bothering about am article written by a non-Indian who has no clue of what he is talking about?

Anyways bottomlineis COngress is bad for India, even the left are better than them.

:cantbeli:

[hulaku]

Kindly go through it... http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:QIaW69hOZVIJ:www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/hitler_warning.htm+capitalist%27s+love+for+hitler&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a (http://www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/hitler_warning.htm+capitalist's+love+for+hitler&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a)

And yes its all good.

You do know how the Communists hated the Capitalists do you.

Quoting from a Commie source.

Totally believable.

[Alok]

And yes its all good. You do know how the Communists hated the Capitalists do you. Quoting from a Commie source. Totally believable. Oh...that a commies source!!! In haste I posted that without seeing it. Even then that is also true. Just try Google, you can find a lot of articles regarding Capitalist's love for Hitler.

[Mastermind]

Idiots in our country deserve this because they voted for congress party . Congress has purposely imported 10 million bangladeshi muslims so they can vote for congress acc to unofficial figures 25 percent of indias population now consist of muslims these elites will not rest until india is an islamic country.
Criminy! That's what we think of the Democrat congress and Islamic President here...Well, my friends and me in my personal echo chamber think that, anyway...Har!p-)

[JBH22]

Gujarat special forces to be fitted with enhanced armour



In the first phase, the state police will purchase 1,000 jackets, costing Rs 45,000 per piece



In A bid to ensure that no policeman in Gujarat ever meets the fate that the top Mumbai cops Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Karkare did while battling terrorists last year, the Gujarat government has decided to shield its special force personnel with new bulletproof jackets.

The jackets are designed to defeat close range attacks by the AK series of rifles, including the most favourite among terrorists — AK 47. In a post-26/11 move, the government had about a month ago, given its nod for a state police proposal that demanded bulletproof jackets meeting protection level III plus for the police personnel. “The state government has sanctioned the money we needed to purchase these bulletproof jackets and we have started issuing tenders for the same. The armours will be purchased only after they are okayed by ballistic experts of the Directorate of Forensic Science in Gandhinagar,” said Deputy Inspector General of Police (Planning and Modernisation) H H Patel.
Refusing to comment on the total amount that the government has sanctioned as well as the number of jackets that the police propose to buy, Patel said: “In the first phase, we will purchase 1,000 jackets, costing Rs 45,000 per piece during this financial year. More such purchases are in the pipeline, but I would not like to disclose that.”

Level III-plus, said experts, is a special and recently designed range of protection level III ballistic armours that provide protection against 9mm bullet fired through Sten Machine Carbine from a distance of five metres; 12 bore shot (solid slug) fired through full length shotgun from a distance of 10 metres; 7.62 mm bullet NATO ball ammunitions fired through 7.62 mm SLR from a distance of 10 Gujarat special forces to be fitted with enhanced armour metres; and 7.62 mild steel core bullet fired through AK series from a distance of 10 metres.

Elaborating on the reason for selecting a relatively expensive range of protection level III plus, when armours meeting protection level III are available for about Rs 30,000 per piece, an officer from the National Security Guard (NSG) and one of the members in the selection and procurement team, said that NATO ball bullets, which have been designed to incapacitate and not to kill, are used mostly in the NATO countries and their allies. “These are comparatively ‘lighter’ bullets that penetrate less deep into the object’s body. NATO ball bullets, including those fired through the AK series can therefore be defeated easily by armours with protection level III,” the officer said.

“Most of the Asian and south Asian countries as well as terrorists, who want to kill their enemies, however, use the ‘harder’ steel core bullets. These bullets are designed to kill and therefore penetrate deep. Armours meeting protection level III plus can also stop the hardened steel core bullets,” the expert added.
Bulletproof jackets, said experts, are graded as per the specifications drawn up by US-based National Institute of Justice (NIJ) and accepted by the DRDO. Most police departments in India use III A level armours, which are designed to withstand small arms fire from handguns and carbines at a range of 5 to 10 metres. But these jackets are useless against machine gun and AK series fire.


all of you can see how the BJP leadership is in contrast to congress...
here is CM who understood what happened in Mumbai and took the necessary steps to improve its forces against a congress CM who's still sitting useless fellow..

[kadu]

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QUOTE=JBH22;4625304]Gujarat special forces to be fitted with enhanced armour




How much is the jacket actually and how much goes into the netas or whomsoevers pocket

[WingCommander]

How dare you question the integrity of bjp politicians!!! they have never been caught on camera taking bribes. p-)

[dredger14]

Stop fighting amongst yourselves IDIOTS!!

And please don't bring politics to the photo and news threads.