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hist2004
07-15-2004, 02:37 PM
The Price of Freedom
By: Bill O'Reilly
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004
A recent poll taken in Canada says that 40% of Canadian teenagers believe the United States is an "evil" country. Among French-Canadian teens,
the number rises to 64%. This, of course, is hard to believe, and must be laid right on the doorstep of the often viciously anti-American Canadian
press as well as irresponsible educators supposedly teaching Canadian kids about the world.
And all over the world, America is getting slaughtered in the arena of public opinion. Therefore, what can we expect from children? When government
funded press agencies like the BBC and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation portray America as the world's chief villain, there's little anyone can
do to balance the picture. The Fox News Channel, for example, isn't even allowed in Canada.
So for the benefit of the Canadian kids, and, indeed, children all over the world, I am going to set the record straight right here in this column.
Let's start with an undeniable fact: The United States of America has set more people free than any other country in the history of mankind. We all
know about World War II, but here's what's happened recently:
In Eastern Europe, the policies of Ronald Reagan led to the freeing of at least 122 million people from Soviet domination.
More than 48 million South Koreans remain free because of American protection.
Nearly 23 million Taiwanese remain free because of American protection.
The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.
By removing the brutal regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, America and Britain have given almost 50 million people at least a shot at some kind of
self-determination. Also, the American-driven campaign against the butcher Milosovic in the Balkans saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of
people, most of them Muslims.
America is sending $3 billion a year to Africa to combat the AIDS epidemic. By comparison Canada is sending $270 million, France a paltry $60 million.
And those countries have the nerve to portray America as a villain? How many human beings has France freed over the past 60 years? The same
question can be asked of Canada. Yes, those nations have helped the USA on occasion, but they are drifting away from reality now.
It's not only Canadians and the French who are misguided about the USA; there's also a fifth column in America itself. The "anarchists" are hoping to
disrupt the Republican convention in New York City. Police believe they will use violent means to do so.
And the verbal violence on display daily by partisan fanatics is growing more despicable by the moment. Michael Moore and his acolytes hide behind
the "dissent" label, but they are not dissenters, they're destroyers. Moore has been quoted as saying capitalism is "diabolical," even as he trucks his
millions to the bank. By the way, did you know that associates of Hezbollah want to help distribute Moore's movie in the Middle East? What does that
tell you?
The truth is that America is a great country striving to protect itself in an ungrateful and dangerous world. We, the people, have sacrificed blood and
money so others could have a chance in life. Yet many teenagers in Canada are convinced we are an evil nation. The powers-that-be in Canada
should be ashamed that their young people are so ignorant but I know they are not. Ignorance, you see, is most often a contagious disease.
Regards,
Hist2004
Sir Zach of R.
07-15-2004, 02:55 PM
Great article Hist2004. Bill kicks butt on most subjects.
BBC is anti-american as well as anti-israeli now? :roll: :roll:
The only reason this guy used the term "government funded" is to make it seem like something you'd expect in North Korea, the truth is the BBC, I'm sure CBC will be the same, is public funded. Public funding is as good as if not better then privately funded media. It is the BBC's duty to be unbiased, where as other media outlets do what the CEO says.
Hist2004, whatever happened the really intresting historical articles you used to dig up? Blackrain, budanski among others have been posting articles like these for ages..
Secret Squirrel
07-15-2004, 03:06 PM
Heh, Bill O'Reilly, the Mike Moore of the other side (just with less "documentaries"). Is he sure about fox news supposedly being banned in Canada? But i guess his point was he wants more overly pro-conservative news networks in Canada. Either that, or his little show is suffering and needs more viewers. I guess a phone poll dealing with (how many kids?) in Canada determines the entire opinion of all Canadian youth? Anyone else catch his "apology" concerning WMDs in Iraq? Or his immediate connection of Saddam to 911 after that occured? Hrm, come to think of it, wasnt there another thread about Bill being a "blubbering ******"?
Tane Angle
07-15-2004, 03:12 PM
Just about the Canada thing-I think Canada deserves more credit than that. They've held their own and stuck with us. For a relatively small population, they've been with us almost everywhere, from WWII to Afghanistan. Is he pissed that Canada didn't send troops to Iraq? They're running low on troops, let them skip Iraq. If anything, they deserve a thank you and a handshake, not to be put down.
Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
hist2004
07-15-2004, 03:14 PM
the truth is the BBC, I'm sure CBC will be the same, is public funded
The BBC World Service is one of the most widely recognised international broadcasters of radio programming, transmitting in 43 languages to around 150 million people throughout the world. The English service broadcasts 24 hours a day. Unlike the BBC's main radio and television services, which are primarily funded by a licence fee, the World Service is funded by the British Government, although it remains politically neutral.
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, commonly known by the abbreviation CBC, is Canada's government-owned television network and radio network. In French, it is called la Société Radio-Canada (Radio-Canada or SRC).
I hope that clear's up the matter of government funding. As far as articles
I continue to post them, am I not allowed to say anything else or post an
interesting article? :)
As far as the last response, FOXNEWS will always welcome viewers, but I
hardly think they're hurting for an audiance. Why not answer O'Reilly's points? are they not true???
Regards,
Hist2004
the truth is the BBC, I'm sure CBC will be the same, is public funded
The BBC World Service is one of the most widely recognised international broadcasters of radio programming, transmitting in 43 languages to around 150 million people throughout the world. The English service broadcasts 24 hours a day. Unlike the BBC's main radio and television services, which are primarily funded by a licence fee, the World Service is funded by the British Government, although it remains politically neutral.
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, commonly known by the abbreviation CBC, is Canada's government-owned television network and radio network. In French, it is called la Société Radio-Canada (Radio-Canada or SRC).
I hope that clear's up the matter of government funding. As far as articles
I continue to post them, and I not allowed to say anything else or post an
interesting article? :)
As far as the last response, FOXNEWS will always welcome viewers, but I
hardly think they're hurting for an audiance. Why not answer O'Reilly's points? are they not true???
Regards,
Hist2004
How much of the license fee do you think goes to the government? It is publicly funded (license fee) not from other taxes, which would suggest government influence. That is the point I'm making, the fact that is described that way does not give the full picture, nor does the article..
budanski
07-15-2004, 03:16 PM
BBC is anti-american as well as anti-israeli now? :roll: :roll:
What? BBC not anti-american enough? (http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/0623bbc.html) The BBC just has to translate their normal content and programming into arabic and - voila! - instant Al-Jazeera. ;)
BBC is anti-american as well as anti-israeli now? :roll: :roll:
What? BBC not anti-american enough? (http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/0623bbc.html) The BBC just has to translate their normal content and programming into arabic and - voila! - instant Al-Jazeera. ;)
so.... BBC america is the new FOX news? :P
budanski
07-15-2004, 03:31 PM
so.... BBC america is the new FOX news? :P
As long as the "BBC's duty to be unbiased, where as other media outlets do what the CEO says" (http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200406070018)... ;)
b.scheller
07-15-2004, 03:40 PM
:cantbeli:
This guy is looking for attention
I laughed that he said that Reagan helped to free the oppressed Eastern Europeans from Soviet claws.... rofl What a f-cking idiot...
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We do get Fox here, Fox 29. The worst channel on my cable programming. So naturally I won't watch it, as for CBC; the network unfortunetly for Bill tries to keep neutral. Although I do not watch it constantly, I have yet to hear any negative comments against the American's. I've heard more negative comments on shows such as 20/20, Nightline and 60 Minutes about themselves then on the CBC.
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Anyway Canada was involved in the Second World War, longer then the American's. We liberated, countless cities in Italy, France and most of Holland. AS for the State of Israel, for countless years; America tried to keep it's aid to the Israeli's at a bare minimum, and for the war of Independence they did not even bother trying to supply the Israeli's with arms.
Anyway he talks about ignorance, the idiot should look at himself first. I can't say much for my generation; from the things I saw this year in class. Most of the people in my age group couldn't care less about the United States of America, and if they had any say about it they didn't support either side.
so.... BBC america is the new FOX news? :P
As long as the "BBC's duty to be unbiased, where as other media outlets do what the CEO says" (http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200406070018)... ;)
wow you manage to pull one of these out of your backside everytime..
so I take it that because another media outlet which is clearly apposed to the BBC, criticises it, I should take it as gospel truth? Please, new statesman is a newspaper, hasn't anyone ever taught you never to believe what you read in the papers? Would it be rude of me to suggest that because "Respect" is partially an arab party cashing in on anti-war sentiment that a newspaper journalist with a surname such as that of the author would suggest a predisposition to being against it?
As for the rest of the article just this tuesday I saw Peter Tatchell, doing the exact opposite of what this article claims and having a go (on the BBC) and Respect's n#2 about how the party was fixated on Palestine and Iraq and didn't say anything about Zimbabwe, Respect is not a true party of the left and furthermore this article is biased as hell the further down you read it.
budanski
07-15-2004, 04:04 PM
so.... BBC america is the new FOX news? :P
As long as the "BBC's duty to be unbiased, where as other media outlets do what the CEO says" (http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200406070018)... ;)
wow you manage to pull one of these out of your backside everytime..
so I take it that because another media outlet which is clearly apposed to the BBC, criticises it, I should take it as gospel truth? Please, new statesman is a newspaper, hasn't anyone ever taught you never to believe what you read in the papers? Would it be rude of me to suggest that because "Respect" is partially an arab party cashing in on anti-war sentiment that a newspaper journalist with a surname such as that of the author would suggest a predisposition to being against it?
or, an apologist would just dismiss it as that while the BBC upholds its unbiased views (http://www.guardian.co.uk/hutton/story/0,13822,1133174,00.html). :|
hist2004
07-15-2004, 04:08 PM
Anyway Canada was involved in the Second World War, longer then the American's. We liberated, countless cities in Italy, France and most of Holland. AS for the State of Israel, for countless years; America tried to keep it's aid to the Israeli's at a bare minimum, and for the war of Independence they did not even bother trying to supply the Israeli's with arms.
Very interesting...so Canada liberated more people around the world than the US?
And yes, we are no friend of Israel :cantbeli:
Thanks for your input,
Hist2004
chauncy republicans
07-15-2004, 04:17 PM
Anyway Canada was involved in the Second World War, longer then the American's. We liberated, countless cities in Italy, France and most of Holland. AS for the State of Israel, for countless years; America tried to keep it's aid to the Israeli's at a bare minimum, and for the war of Independence they did not even bother trying to supply the Israeli's with arms.
Very interesting...so Canada liberated more people around the world than the US?
And yes, we are no friend of Israel :cantbeli:
Thanks for your input,
Hist2004
Uhhhh I dont think thats what was typed. :cantbeli:
Secret Squirrel
07-15-2004, 04:26 PM
Ole Bill is just annoyed, and wrong according to at least one Canadian whose posted in this thread, that Canada blocks American conservative media outlets. It's the basic argument "if you dont like Bush or conservatives, then you must hate America." Bill also writes for newsmax, aka the extreme other side version of Moore. So whats Bill's answer that fox news is shown in Canada?
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gilgoul
07-15-2004, 04:40 PM
The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.
Well, american assistance is muc apreciated, that`s for sure, frm that to conclude that we would be crushed without your support is a little obnoxious.
I would say that the fight would be harder, butyour assistance has untld consequences.
One could consider the technology and the know how that comes from Israel, the improvement and research are often made in Israel, and that most of the US aid is in fact a hidden subside to US defense industry, rather than a pure help in cash.
Midav
07-15-2004, 04:46 PM
I don't believe that Israel would be crushed without US aid, but as stated, it would probably be a much harder fight.
Some people like to point to the 1973 war where Israel was supplied with US aid. Arab nations were also being supplied by the Soviets, so it all evens itself out ;)
so.... BBC america is the new FOX news? :P
As long as the "BBC's duty to be unbiased, where as other media outlets do what the CEO says" (http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200406070018)... ;)
wow you manage to pull one of these out of your backside everytime..
so I take it that because another media outlet which is clearly apposed to the BBC, criticises it, I should take it as gospel truth? Please, new statesman is a newspaper, hasn't anyone ever taught you never to believe what you read in the papers? Would it be rude of me to suggest that because "Respect" is partially an arab party cashing in on anti-war sentiment that a newspaper journalist with a surname such as that of the author would suggest a predisposition to being against it?
or, an apologist would just dismiss it as that while the BBC upholds its unbiased views (http://www.guardian.co.uk/hutton/story/0,13822,1133174,00.html). :|
You took you're time with that one not losing your touch I hope. I was wondering how long it would take you to post something about the hutton inquiry, just like the Butler inquiry (out yesterday) the lords seem to be quite reluctant to blame Tony Blair, for anyhting, I, just like the majority of the people in this country that actually know the BBC and pay for it, believe that the Hutton inquiry was harsh on the BBC and if you actually have a look at what it was blamed for, it doesn't amount to much.
I find it hilarious that at one minute you denouce the Guardian as left-wing propaganda and the next use it to back you up. I find the fact that the BBC stood up to the government incouraging and it certainly riducules Bill O'Reilly's incinuation that a "government funded" medium is affected in it's news coverage by those in power.
b.scheller
07-15-2004, 05:10 PM
Anyway Canada was involved in the Second World War, longer then the American's. We liberated, countless cities in Italy, France and most of Holland. AS for the State of Israel, for countless years; America tried to keep it's aid to the Israeli's at a bare minimum, and for the war of Independence they did not even bother trying to supply the Israeli's with arms.
Very interesting...so Canada liberated more people around the world than the US?
And yes, we are no friend of Israel :cantbeli:
Thanks for your input,
Hist2004
Uhhhh I dont think thats what was typed. :cantbeli:
thank you, at least someone read my post... :lol:
budanski
07-15-2004, 05:19 PM
I find it hilarious that at one minute you denouce the Guardian as left-wing propaganda and the next use it to back you up. I find the fact that the BBC stood up to the government incouraging and it certainly riducules Bill O'Reilly's incinuation that a "government funded" medium is affected in it's news coverage by those in power.
I only chose the Guardian article because for me to stick to the usual Foxnews, Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040129-092307-2649r.htm), Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/05/nbbc05.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/05/ixportal.html), and others (http://www.israelnn.com/article.php3?id=3837)... you'd accuse me of being... well, biased (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3403951.stm). ;)
Flagg
07-15-2004, 05:31 PM
The Price of Freedom
By: Bill O'Reilly
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004
40% of Canadian teenagers believe the United States is an "evil" country. Among French-Canadian teens,
the number rises to 64%.
Perception BECOMES reality......most will believe what they THINK to be true as opposed to the actual truth at times
Which means the TRUTH takes a backseat to NEGATIVE PERCEPTIONS
America is getting slaughtered in the arena of public opinion.
See negative perceptions above
The United States of America has set more people free than any other country in the history of mankind.
The US played a critical role in freeing many millions......but the US had a lot of partners in doing so.....when comments like this are made...negative perceptions are created...see above
In Eastern Europe, the policies of Ronald Reagan led to the freeing of at least 122 million people from Soviet domination.
Well, you just pissed off the Pommies, who under Thatcher took just as strong a stance as any against Communism, and it was in their backyard....they didn't call her Iron Lady for nothing...and don't forget the Pope and the Catholic Church's involvement in helping enable freedom behind the curtain..as well as many other smaller players.....you just pissed them off .....see negative perceptions listed above...
The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.
Well without US aid, Israel would have faced a critical challenge to their existence......but if you ask ANY Israeli, they'll likely tell you they would have hung in there without US support....so you just pissed them off....see negative perceptions listed above
By removing the brutal regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, America and Britain have given almost 50 million people at least a shot at some kind of
self-determination.
Bit premature don't ya think? But it's a great effort by the folks at the coalface....best to wait and see if Middle Eastern self-determination explodes in your face
How many human beings has France freed over the past 60 years? The same
question can be asked of Canada. Yes, those nations have helped the USA on occasion
On occasion.....right.....ya just trivialized the proud nation bordering the US to it's North that stormed the D-Day beaches ALONG SIDE US forces
You also trivialized the nation that provided the US with the most support during it's own infancy.....
See negative perceptions listed above
The truth is that America is a great country striving to protect itself in an ungrateful and dangerous world. We, the people, have sacrificed blood and
money so others could have a chance in life.
Maybe it's time to just shut the F up, and spend more time displaying how great the US is in it's actions, rather than through arrogant speeches
The word of the day is PERCEPTIONS........and speeches like this certainly don't improve them
5jumpchump
07-15-2004, 06:21 PM
Yeah , shouldn't bother giving credit when credit is due :roll:
Makes me wish we never helped half the people we did . look where we are now , under threat , in war and failing to please the world because we can't do the impossible - but damn close .
chauncy republicans
07-15-2004, 06:28 PM
The Price of Freedom
By: Bill O'Reilly
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004
40% of Canadian teenagers believe the United States is an "evil" country. Among French-Canadian teens,
the number rises to 64%.
Perception BECOMES reality......most will believe what they THINK to be true as opposed to the actual truth at times
Which means the TRUTH takes a backseat to NEGATIVE PERCEPTIONS
America is getting slaughtered in the arena of public opinion.
See negative perceptions above
The United States of America has set more people free than any other country in the history of mankind.
The US played a critical role in freeing many millions......but the US had a lot of partners in doing so.....when comments like this are made...negative perceptions are created...see above
In Eastern Europe, the policies of Ronald Reagan led to the freeing of at least 122 million people from Soviet domination.
Well, you just pissed off the Pommies, who under Thatcher took just as strong a stance as any against Communism, and it was in their backyard....they didn't call her Iron Lady for nothing...and don't forget the Pope and the Catholic Church's involvement in helping enable freedom behind the curtain..as well as many other smaller players.....you just pissed them off .....see negative perceptions listed above...
The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.
Well without US aid, Israel would have faced a critical challenge to their existence......but if you ask ANY Israeli, they'll likely tell you they would have hung in there without US support....so you just pissed them off....see negative perceptions listed above
By removing the brutal regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, America and Britain have given almost 50 million people at least a shot at some kind of
self-determination.
Bit premature don't ya think? But it's a great effort by the folks at the coalface....best to wait and see if Middle Eastern self-determination explodes in your face
How many human beings has France freed over the past 60 years? The same
question can be asked of Canada. Yes, those nations have helped the USA on occasion
On occasion.....right.....ya just trivialized the proud nation bordering the US to it's North that stormed the D-Day beaches ALONG SIDE US forces
You also trivialized the nation that provided the US with the most support during it's own infancy.....
See negative perceptions listed above
The truth is that America is a great country striving to protect itself in an ungrateful and dangerous world. We, the people, have sacrificed blood and
money so others could have a chance in life.
Maybe it's time to just shut the F up, and spend more time displaying how great the US is in it's actions, rather than through arrogant speeches
The word of the day is PERCEPTIONS........and speeches like this certainly don't improve them woot could'nt have said it better myself!
Tane Angle
07-15-2004, 06:58 PM
Yeah , shouldn't bother giving credit when credit is due
Makes me wish we never helped half the people we did . look where we are now , under threat , in war and failing to please the world because we can't do the impossible - but damn close .
I think that's part of Flagg's point-giving credit where credit is due. Besides, the world doesn't run on thank yous and if a thank you card is what we were looking for in any of our actions, than that's not a real good reason to do anything.
When we do things, normally they are self-serving. And they should be; once again, the US Government and military's job isn't to do the right thing-it's to do the correct thing, to abide by the oaths of office and service and to provide for the common defense of Americans, not anybody else.
Humilitiy can be a very good thing. What's the second word in that new book by the CIA guy? Hubris?
Great post, Flagg.
Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
hist2004
07-15-2004, 07:06 PM
b.scheller-
let’s look at the way you responded.
This guy is looking for attention
I laughed that he said that Reagan helped to free the oppressed Eastern Europeans from Soviet claws.... What a f-cking idiot...
Anyway he talks about ignorance, the idiot should look at himself first.
Most of the people in my age group couldn't care less about the United States of America, and if they had any say about it they didn't support either side.
Anyway Canada was involved in the Second World War, longer then the American's. We liberated, countless cities in Italy, France and most of Holland. AS for the State of Israel, for countless years; America tried to keep it's aid to the Israeli's at a bare minimum, and for the war of Independence they did not even bother trying to supply the Israeli's with arms.
How would you have me respond? Your retort could have been Reagan may have contributed, but he wasn’t the only reason.
The allies of the US were also instrumental in liberating many lives in different countries. A civil debate is all I’m asking.
Regards,
Hist2004
Ha CBC is government funded. They are disgustingly biased toward the Liberal government. Whenever the Conservatives slip up, they jump on them like a fat kid on a smartie. As for the Liberals they don't mention the disgusting theft commited by that party.
BTW: Flagg I agree with you completely.
The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.
:bash: :bash:
b.scheller
07-15-2004, 08:15 PM
Well sorry If I came off with the wrong tone, I always look forward to your posts hist...very informative.
Anyway Uo, what makes you say that?
Well sorry If I came off with the wrong tone, I always look forward to your posts hist...very informative.
Anyway Uo, what makes you say that?
I qoute him......and them bashed him..cuz what he said is lame.
ANyway..you referd to me in your post?
b.scheller
07-15-2004, 08:29 PM
Ahh, okay :oops:
My brain is on slow-mode... ;)
Ahh, okay :oops:
My brain is on slow-mode... ;)
It's ok...mine 2 it's 3:32 am here...i am going to get some sleep... :D
I think Bill is a dumbass and FOX news is crap, but hearing a lot of the international opinions of the US' contribution to the world makes me wonder if we should have ever bothered helping anyone. Count your lucky stars the US is not a military dictatorship/expansionist state. We could make the world a whole lot worse for everyone, but instead we try and help out where we feel it makes sense. While Bill's rhetoric is full of hyperbole, there is no shortage of those who seek to diminish our efforts which leads to the perceptions of many Americans -- on the right and left -- that the world is just a collection of takers, that will eventually 'bite the hand that feeds it' and I'm not sure they're that far from the truth.
Carry on... ;)
Secret Squirrel
07-15-2004, 09:24 PM
I think Bill is a dumbass and FOX news is crap, but hearing a lot of the international opinions of the US' contribution to the world makes me wonder if we should have ever bothered helping anyone. Count your lucky stars the US is not a military dictatorship/expansionist state. We could make the world a whole lot worse for everyone, but instead we try and help out where we feel it makes sense. While Bill's rhetoric is full of hyperbole, there is no shortage of those who seek to diminish our efforts which leads to the perceptions of many Americans -- on the right and left -- that the world is just a collection of takers, that will eventually 'bite the hand that feeds it' and I'm not sure they're that far from the truth.
Carry on... ;)
Which international opinions are you refering to? From what time period and from who in particular? Just curious.
I find it hilarious that at one minute you denouce the Guardian as left-wing propaganda and the next use it to back you up. I find the fact that the BBC stood up to the government incouraging and it certainly riducules Bill O'Reilly's incinuation that a "government funded" medium is affected in it's news coverage by those in power.
I only chose the Guardian article because for me to stick to the usual Foxnews, Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040129-092307-2649r.htm), Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/05/nbbc05.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/05/ixportal.html), and others (http://www.israelnn.com/article.php3?id=3837)... you'd accuse me of being... well, biased (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3403951.stm). ;)
I really don't understand what reason the BBC has to be biased. Yeah ok when Greg Dyke took over top job the tories grumble a bit that he was a labour associate, but it was the LABOUR government that went to war in Iraq.. Maybe you're trying to suggest that the BBC is leaning towards support for Respect?? a far left party (that's very far left for you americans)? The BBC may be to the left of the G.O.P. but then everyone but racist nationalists like Hitler and the BNP.
What I find really irritating is that you're going on at me about how the BBC is biased, when I am the one that lives in Britain, I study British Politics and yet you know the BBC better then me thanks to the reliable source of information that is the internet, or to be more specific the notoriously political British printed press. Again, excuse me for knowing which to take with a pinch of salt and which to take with a pinch of pepper better then you.
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