View Full Version : 44% want Bush over Obama
If thats not buyer's remorse of the century than what is it? Given that this administration is still campaigning against a non-existing contestant Bush, Bush in fact seems to be making a comeback! Looks like its gonna be Bush 51 Obama 49 by 2010.
Hola (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html)
Hollis
12-10-2009, 08:40 PM
If thats not buyer's remorse of the century than what is it? Given that this administration is still campaigning against a non-existing contestant Bush, Bush in fact seems to be making a comeback! Looks like its gonna be Bush 51 Obama 49 by 2010.
Hola (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html)
LOL, damn the election is over. Looks like it still will be Obama till Nov 2012, unless he is re-elected.
Soldat_Américain
12-10-2009, 08:41 PM
I find that hilarious since Bush cannot be elected President again.
NathS
12-10-2009, 08:42 PM
So the 45% that voted republican last year prefer a republican president to Obama.
Wow.
Incredible.
I'm totally taken aback.
:roll:
SoftLion
12-10-2009, 08:43 PM
I find that hilarious since Bush cannot be elected President again.
I'm sorry but sometimes you are such a dense douchebag.
BearInBunnySuit
12-10-2009, 08:44 PM
Dubya in 2012.
What's wrong with Jeb?
Hollis
12-10-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm sorry but sometimes you are such a dense douchebag.
Just a nice classic post, Thanks for the chuckle. :)
So the 45% that voted republican last year prefer a republican president to Obama.
Wow.
Incredible.
I'm totally taken aback.
:roll:
44% are for Bush specifically, not any generic republican. Generic republican has actually been ahead of generic democrat for the past month and a half, but like I keep mentioning, CNN effect can often produce delusions.
What's wrong with Jeb?
His head's too fat.
break
12-10-2009, 08:50 PM
rather have sarah palin.
Soldat_Américain
12-10-2009, 08:51 PM
I'm sorry but sometimes you are such a dense douchebag.
I guess it takes one to know one. Read the law, a president is limited to two terms for which he can be elected however if a sitting president resigns and he can ascend to the presidency if the remaining term in office is two years exact or less as President can only reside in office for a total of ten years. I honestly prefer Obama as president because he seems to be pragmatic although his decision on reinforcing Afghanistan, however you know what with this he has more than doubled our commitment from when he came into office.
SoftLion
12-10-2009, 08:52 PM
I guess it takes one to know one. Read the law, a president is limited to two terms for which he can be elected however if a sitting president resigns and he can ascend to the presidency if the remaining term in office is two years exact or less as President can only reside in office for a total of ten years. I honestly prefer Obama as president because he seems to be pragmatic although his decision on reinforcing Afghanistan, however you know what with this he has more than doubled our commitment from when he came into office.
...................... Ugghhh
Chulo
12-10-2009, 08:53 PM
I guess it takes one to know one. Read the law, a president is limited to two terms for which he can be elected however if a sitting president resigns and he can ascend to the presidency if the remaining term in office is two years exact or less as President can only reside in office for a total of ten years. I honestly prefer Obama as president because he seems to be pragmatic although his decision on reinforcing Afghanistan, however you know what with this he has more than doubled our commitment from when he came into office.
Really dont dig your self in any deeper.
NathS
12-10-2009, 08:53 PM
44% are for Bush specifically, not any generic republican. Generic republican has actually been ahead of generic democrat for the past month and a half, but like I keep mentioning, CNN effect can often produce delusions.
So there's a certain percentage of people inclined to vote republican that would change their mind if Bush was candidate, right ?
So much for Bush comeback.
Hollis
12-10-2009, 08:55 PM
Quote omitted
Really dont dig your self in any deeper.
Soldat, Chulo offered you some sage advice. IMHO, take it.
Kilgor
12-10-2009, 08:55 PM
Obama is not the first president to drop below 50 percent in his first year in the White House. President Reagan's approval rating dipped to 49 percent in November 1981 and stayed below that mark for two years. President Clinton also dropped well below the 50 percent mark by May 1993, the fastest fall on record.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/04/obama.approval.poll/
What's wrong with Jeb?
He make Dubya look like Stephen Hawking.
Alpheus
12-10-2009, 09:03 PM
Cheney 2012? p-)
Kilgor
12-10-2009, 09:05 PM
Cheney 2012? p-)
Regan 2012 p-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAk7Hrf2joU
HellToupee
12-10-2009, 09:08 PM
the comments are quite an amusing read
SoftLion
12-10-2009, 09:09 PM
He make Dubya look like Stephen Hawking.
Hahahahaharofl
plato
12-10-2009, 09:10 PM
Regan 2012 p-)
LOL! It took a democrat to be a good republican
koevoetconstable
12-10-2009, 09:12 PM
And to think, hardly any of Obama's idiotic policies have even been implemented yet. How's he going to stack up against Bush if Cap and Trade goes through and (even more) jobs begin to disappear and electric rates triple.
So there's a certain percentage of people inclined to vote republican that would change their mind if Bush was candidate, right ?
Right.
So much for Bush comeback.
Let me break it down for you. Read slowly as it might seem a little dense to you:
>> Bush approval was as low as 19% in 2008 (http://politicalinquirer.com/2008/02/21/bushs-new-low-a-19-approval-rating/)
>> Meaning even many republicans were against Bush
>> Which means many republicans would not vote for him in 2008
>> which means that many republicans who would otherwise vote for a generic republican would still not vote for Bush
>> which means Bush did not have 100% support of even republicans in 2008
... take a break
>> Now this 44% is not republican specific, its ALL VOTERS
>> which means that even many democrats, who would previously prefer sleeping with Rosie O'Donnell than vote for Bush, might now vote for Bush
>> this means that Bush is now acquiring a bipartisan support among all voters. Keep in mind, most presidents need only around 47-48% of vote to actually win the presidency
>> watch the trend, its only gonna grow.
HellToupee
12-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Sounds like there was only 2 options in the poll.
Breerman
12-10-2009, 09:45 PM
Sounds like there was only 2 options in the poll.
Which was the entire point...
Seems like a Cheney / Palin ticket in 2012 is drawing closer.
We will know for sure if **** "the Dungeon" takes Biden for a hunting weekend soon (Obama is smart enough to stay away from white folks with guns).
JPBaz
12-10-2009, 10:07 PM
Sounds like there was only 2 options in the poll.
If there were only two options then it is really not much of a poll. I could not find the source of the poll on the link but I may have missed it. The Obama haters will stay haters and pick Bush.
Just a quick look at Fox and some of the posts on this site will show you a legion of folks hoping the President fails (your 44% if you will).
On another note, dropping approval ratings in a President's first year is common, even for ol Ronnie Raygun. :-) Not for HW Bush though...must be the economy stupid...
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
NathS
12-10-2009, 10:14 PM
>> Bush approval was as low as 19% in 2008 (http://politicalinquirer.com/2008/02/21/bushs-new-low-a-19-approval-rating/)
>> Meaning even many republicans were against Bush
Not sure you can equate approval rate with votes. I highly doubt an Obama vs Bush election in 2008 would have ended with 81% for Obama, or any other dem candidate.
Anyway, this whole discussion is useless. People will always elect someone with far too high expectations, only to be dissapointed, at which point his predecessor will be viewed with a certain nostalgia.
Chirac was reelected in 2002 despite getting the worst (first round) score for a President running for a second mandate and his approval rate was also somewhere around 20% at the end of his second mandate, and guess what, he's now at the top in political personnalities popularity rankings with something like 70%. And even I view him now in a positive light, which I wouldn't have thought possible some years ago.
Other past presidents, like de Gaulle or Mitterand, also enjoy approval rates they probably never achieved when in function, and I don't think it's a french particularity.
Read slowly as it might seem a little dense to you
Yeah, it's 4am, I'm experiencing a slight hangover while discussing foreign politics in what is technically my third language, so sorry if I'm not up to your expectations :roll:
Soldat_Américain
12-10-2009, 10:22 PM
Here's the report I had, politico.com had to get the story from a blog. Make a note that most of the math doesn't add up in the percentages:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1209.pdf
JPBaz
12-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Here's the report I had, politico.com had to get the story from a blog. Make a note that most of the math doesn't add up in the percentages:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1209.pdf
Thanks! The choice was Bush/Obama/Not Sure (6%)
I love that 20% think Obama should be impeached for his actions so far! Great stuff.
Breerman
12-10-2009, 10:49 PM
Here's the report I had, politico.com had to get the story from a blog. Make a note that most of the math doesn't add up in the percentages:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1209.pdf
It's called rounding numbers...
vryhpyammoadded
12-10-2009, 10:51 PM
Oh please give me a Darth/Ding Bat ticket just so I can watch some irritating people’s craniums cave in with worldwide pop cultural hyper angst as the MSM, talk radio, hell, anyone willing to air an argument would have a collective orgasm from the controversy’s viewership/listener numbers.
Ignorant numbskulls would be frantic, running about in a panic as if fascist storm troopers were blitzkrieging through their living rooms, goose-stepping down the street breaking heads while really they were in fact doing it to innocent passersby’s foolish enough to dare not panic being fingered as evil Darth/Palin supporters.
This has epic comedy potential. One could laugh himself to death with this ticket! Please… PLEASE!
Winger
12-10-2009, 11:20 PM
What's wrong with Jeb?
His name. The last known man named Jeb died in the Civil War. True story.
Red_Fern
12-10-2009, 11:25 PM
I'd like to see a Huckabee/Palin ticket, or a Huckabee/Jindal.
Hell, I think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity should run.
Chulo
12-10-2009, 11:32 PM
I'd like to see a Huckabee/Palin ticket, or a Huckabee/Jindal.
Hell, I think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity should run.
Beck/Hannity
LOL that would give an aneurysm to both parties
Red_Fern
12-10-2009, 11:40 PM
Beck/Hannity
LOL that would give an aneurysm to both parties
Yeah it would. p-)
Anyone but what we've got now, I suppose.
Arnie100
12-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Let Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity run for senator...THAT would be entertaining! If Al Franken can win, who knows!?
kc135cc
12-11-2009, 12:22 AM
I think we should just vote for a mentally disabled candidate...considering most of the people mentioned have the same cognitive level :cantbeli:
Chulo
12-11-2009, 12:39 AM
I think we should just vote for a mentally disabled candidate...considering most of the people mentioned have the same cognitive level :cantbeli:
Now Obama is slow on making any decisive decision but calling him mentally disabled is a disservice
I'd like to see a Huckabee/Palin ticket, or a Huckabee/Jindal.
Hell, I think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity should run.
Lou Dobbs might. Palin/Dobbs? Palin is within 1% of OBama right now. In any case conservative isolationist philosophy is taking root among voters, liberals will have tough time convincing voters to stick with them.
budgie
12-11-2009, 08:16 AM
So the 45% that voted republican last year prefer a republican president to Obama.
Wow.
Incredible.
I'm totally taken aback.
:roll:
Actually they lost a point. So Bush won't even do as well now as he would have last year if he'd been able to run.
California Joe
12-11-2009, 08:29 AM
His name. The last known man named Jeb died in the Civil War. True story.
[off topic pedantry]Actually "Jeb" was short for his initials, James Ewell Brown Stuart[/off topic pedantry]
futurepilot2004
12-11-2009, 08:30 AM
It doesnt matter who gets voted in, they`re all lizard people!!
www.davi****e.com
Mousepad
12-11-2009, 08:35 AM
Ron Paul anyone? Guy sounded sane and not so showbizzy as others, well at least from my cave.
budgie
12-11-2009, 10:27 AM
So let me get this straight? If Bush ran against Obama today, Bush would still lose?
Non-thread of the week.
So let me get this straight? If Bush ran against Obama today, Bush would still lose?
Non-thread of the week.
When was the first time Bush lost to Obama?
Colin Powell 2012!
-meva
budgie
12-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Let me finish this for you:
Budgie: I never said Bush ever ran against Obama. He'd still lose in the polls.
Meva: Yes you did, you said he'd still lose. That suggests he lost before.
Budgie: Still lose in the polls, everyone knows they've never run against one another.
Meva: Nevertheless you suggested he would lose again is they ran. Show me where Bush lost to Obama.
Budgie: Don't put words in my mouth. I'll tell you what I meant not the other way around.
Meva: I've been lurking and watching the history of your posts and you always get your facts wrong. Show me where Bush lost against Obama.
Budgie: I never said he did. And lurking and watching under which banned handle I wonder? Sounds like a familiar pattern from a 57-poster.
Wimbly: I'm not Dronetek. Waaaah MSM, waaah AGW, waaaah can't think of enough acronyms...
Budgie: Stay out of this Wimbly.
Meva: You STILL haven't shown me where Bush lost to Obama. And what has my post count got to do with anything?
Budgie: What are you, Eric Cartman/ For the hundredth time I never said he did. This thread is not about me and you.
Seraosha: Budgie's head is a bird. Meva's argument is invalid.
Geezah: I likes me dem gurns
California Joe: Will you guys get back on topic?
Meva: I'm still waiting for bungie's [sic] proof that Obama beat Bush.
Budgie: And you're not gonna get it because this argument exists only in your imagination. Nice thread derail BTW.
Hollis: Waste of bandwidth. Thread locked.
matthew.manhorn
12-11-2009, 09:14 PM
Vote for Independent during 2012, it is obvious that the Neocons and Democrats are on the same corporatist boat.
Let me finish this for you:
Budgie: I never said Bush ever ran against Obama. He'd still lose in the polls.
Meva: Yes you did, you said he'd still lose. That suggests he lost before.
Budgie: Still lose in the polls, everyone knows they've never run against one another.
Meva: Nevertheless you suggested he would lose again is they ran. Show me where Bush lost to Obama.
Budgie: Don't put words in my mouth. I'll tell you what I meant not the other way around.
Meva: I've been lurking and watching the history of your posts and you always get your facts wrong. Show me where Bush lost against Obama.
Budgie: I never said he did. And lurking and watching under which banned handle I wonder? Sounds like a familiar pattern from a 57-poster.
Wimbly: I'm not Dronetek. Waaaah MSM, waaah AGW, waaaah can't think of enough acronyms...
Budgie: Stay out of this Wimbly.
Meva: You STILL haven't shown me where Bush lost to Obama. And what has my post count got to do with anything?
Budgie: What are you, Eric Cartman/ For the hundredth time I never said he did. This thread is not about me and you.
Seraosha: Budgie's head is a bird. Meva's argument is invalid.
Geezah: I likes me dem gurns
California Joe: Will you guys get back on topic?
Meva: I'm still waiting for bungie's [sic] proof that Obama beat Bush.
Budgie: And you're not gonna get it because this argument exists only in your imagination. Nice thread derail BTW.
Hollis: Waste of bandwidth. Thread locked.
I'm sure your mom thinks you're funny.
Still lose in the polls.. sigh.
Bush with his alltime low approval rate in the last year of his precidency and the anti-christ as his VP would still give Obama a serious run for his money in this fantasy fight, according to this poll. That should tell the dems that change we can believe in might be in bigger trouble than it has seemed to be so far. They might need to slow their program down a bit atleast. What's with the ram it down your throats with both hands hurry? D's shrugged off most of their losses in the last election, but now there are representatives who are getting very nervous. Especially now that comments regarding obamacare from highprofile left leaning democrats are getting the more conservative members of their party in hot water. Interesting to see what happens there.
Still, Powell in 2012 and Bloomberg for VP!
NYC geriatrics FTW!
-meva
0rphie
12-12-2009, 02:31 PM
Ron Paul anyone? Guy sounded sane and not so showbizzy as others, well at least from my cave.
I would volunteer for his campaign anytime again if her decided to run. however, I understand that he almost has no chance ever
tea drinker
12-12-2009, 04:35 PM
I would volunteer for his campaign anytime again if her decided to run. however, I understand that he almost has no chance ever
Wouldn't agree with the no chance part, I think there is an appettite for sensible people in the US right now. I think he has more support than he is given credit for and has made some headway with mainstream commentators.
I like the guy.
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