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Flagg
07-15-2004, 06:52 PM
Report: $9.4 billion network
to secure Saudi borders



SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, July 15, 2004
Saudi Arabia has approved the procurement of a huge C4I security network worth $9.4 billion as part of a project to ensure border security, according to a new report.

The report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies said the Saudi Interior Ministry has approved a system developed by the Paris-based Thales that would establish a security zone along the 6,500 kilometers of the kingdom's land and sea borders. The report said the system would undergo installation starting in the fourth quarter of 2004.

The report was co-authored by former Pentagon official Anthony Cordesman and Saudi security consultant Nawaf Obaid. The report cited Obaid as a consultant to the Saudi security services.
In March, French industry sources said Saudi Arabia was prepared to sign with Thales an estimated $8.8 billion deal for the C4I system. Riyad refused to confirm nor deny the report, Middle East Newsline reported.

"The Ministry of Interior has approved a $9.4 billion contract with the French government to install an electronic defensive shield along this border in the fall of 2004," the report, "Saudi Internal Security: A Risk Assessment," said.

For a decade, Saudi Arabia has been examining proposals for a border surveillance system that would use patrol aircraft, unmanned air vehicles vehicles, and early warning systems to detect intruders and border crossings. The report said Riyad has sought a 12 kilometer-deep security zone around all 6,500 kilometers of the land and sea borders.

Such a system would integrate acoustic, seismic, radar, magnetic, and infrared sensors to detect movements of people and vehicles in the border area. In 1990, Thomson CSF, the predecessor of Thales, completed a $5 million feasibility study.

In 1991, Thomson and E Systems led separate consortiums that submitted bids for the border security system. The report said the system was not funded because of cost and the assessment that the border network could be penetrated.

At that time, the report said, the estimated cost of the security system was $3 billion. Saudi Arabia was told the system would require several years for completion.

"These problems are expected to be solved by the installation of a much more technically sophisticated system," the report said.

Someone's got there hand in the cookie jar.......

This could be the biggest payoff scheme ever......

I bet everyone's going to be sticking their hand out for this project.....

IT projects are particularly easy to play with figures....especially figures as big as these.

It's a shame the money couldn't be spent on something worthwhile....like providing for the practical education of Saudi's teeming masses.

I hope this white elephant can be focused internally rather than externally...since that's where the bulk of Saudi security issues lie.

wiggle
07-16-2004, 06:47 PM
Seems like if I was some Chinese company I'd bid to build a wall. A Great one even.

DPGLAW
07-16-2004, 07:21 PM
This seems like a good idea to me, the protect the border thing...sounds very advanced and hard to defeat, so anything that does that is a good idea to me, but I agree that this is somehow going to end up being really corrupt....

I have a questions, alebit stupid, but can u tell me what you meant by IT costs are easier to "cook the books" easier than other areas...? Im just curious

Flagg
07-16-2004, 11:28 PM
I have a questions, alebit stupid, but can u tell me what you meant by IT costs are easier to "cook the books" easier than other areas...? Im just curious

Not a stupid question at all......

Service related contracts that contain a substantial consulting, engineering, software development portion are VERY easy to PAD the BILL.

The reason why is that the cost structure can be quite nebulous.

A pound of gold is easy to cost.

Developing custom security software, for example, is NOT, and is easy to pad.

Historically, the prices the Saudi Arabian government have paid for goods and servcies are astronomically high.

This is because many in the Saudi royal family as well as those lucky enough to be in the middle of the procurement chain have their hands out.....it is an extremely lucrative endeavour to force kickbacks that are measured in the billions.......

And it is in everyone's interest to keep this going, except the poor unconnected 95% of Saudi citizens/royal chattel

Sellers of goods and services don't care if they have to pay bribes and kickbacks, all they have to do is raise the price accordingly.

It's a sh!tty deal......but it is THE biggest gravy train in the world....according to author Robert Baer

Romulus
07-16-2004, 11:54 PM
Did I see something today in the news about the US House of Representatives voted to stop funding going to Saudi Arabia?

If someone has the link to that I'd like to get the details of what funding is being cut or all funding being cut.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack your thread Flagg.

Siddar
07-17-2004, 12:42 AM
Yea this is probally going to be one of most corupt deals in history.

Most countrys have found its better to break these type of contracts up into many smaller ones to keep supliers on there toes. You set a comon standard to make all the parts work togeather but lets supliers fight it out for every peace of it.

One?
07-17-2004, 12:50 AM
You think that would affect the saudi economy. All they have to do is sell a few more oil barrels.

Siddar
07-17-2004, 12:54 AM
Truth is I dont think Thales can deliver except for the bribes and kickbacks it promised to get this deal signed.

Romulus
07-17-2004, 12:55 AM
You think that would affect the saudi economy. All they have to do is sell a few more oil barrels.

Then maybe we'd be paying 1.20 for a gallon -vs- 1.99 ?

OB Kenobi
07-17-2004, 01:44 AM
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, July 15, 2004
Saudi Arabia has approved the procurement of a huge C4I security network worth $9.4 billion as part of a project to ensure border security, according to a new report.

The report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies said the Saudi Interior Ministry has approved a system developed by the Paris-based Thales that would establish a security zone along the 6,500 kilometers of the kingdom's land and sea borders.

To keep out all the now unemployed, homeless Iraqis I presume.