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Kilgor
07-15-2004, 07:11 PM
China attack within 20 years 'possible'
Taiwan poses biggest threat to China's development plans in this period, HK paper quotes military sources as saying
By Goh Sui Noi
BEIJING - China does not rule out the possibility of attacking Taiwan within the next 20 years, Hong Kong newspaper Wen Wei Po reported yesterday.
While China's focus over the next 20 years would be peace and development, its biggest national security threat during this period was Taiwan, the newspaper quoted 'authoritative' military sources as saying.
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The report quoted unnamed sources as saying that a timetable for using force to resolve the Taiwan issue was discussed at a recent military conference.
'Although the first 20 years of this century represent a window of opportunity for China's development, we will not rule out resolving the Taiwan issue during this period,' the newspaper reported its sources as saying.
With China believing that the Taiwanese authorities have been practising creeping independence in recent years, the separation between the two sides has become more serious by the day, the report said.
And with Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian continuing to be in charge of the island and the United States using the Taiwan issue to contain China, the quest for long-term separation remained unchanged, it added.
'China's development will be affected by the Taiwan issue, the Taiwan issue cannot drag on indefinitely,' the newspaper quoted sources as saying.
'If Taiwan's leadership is so bold as to initiate major incidents to achieve Taiwan's independence, our military has the capability and the means to defeat it, to thoroughly resolve the Taiwan issue,' the report said. It noted that Beijing considered Mr Chen's plan to hold a referendum on a new Constitution in 2006 and to put it into practice in 2008 as constituting 'major incidents'.
Mr Chen's announcement of such a plan generated a sense of urgency over the Taiwan issue.
The report also quoted the sources as saying that without backing from the Americans, Taiwan would not be so bold and wilful.
'China has no desire to be engaged in direct conflict with America, but if foreign powers were to interfere and support Taiwan independence, we can only resort to a military solution.'
China has moved its strategic military base to the south-eastern coastal region and the People's Liberation Army's various branches have made preparations for war, the report said.
Analysts yesterday said the timetable of 20 years for reunification was a 'very soft timetable'.
China was expressing the hope of attaining reunification within that time rather than threatening Taiwan with force, they said. The emphasis of the report was on grasping the opportunity for development during that period rather than on reunification.
Cross-strait analyst Zhang Tongxin, noting that the Wen Wei Po report did not give hard evidence that such a timetable came from the government, suggested that it was just guesswork on the part of some.
'The report reflects a standpoint of the present time,' he said. 'China won't take extreme measures if Taiwan does not move towards independence.'
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,261675,00.html
It would be interesting to hear what people think the status of the China-Taiwan issue will be, come 2008. China says military action within '20 years' given certain circumstances. It's no secret, Taiwan would like to maneuver towards independence at the time Beijing hosts the 2008 Summer Olympics.
Would China use force within the next 4-5 years? Does China believe it could successfully land and 'take' Taiwan in that time frame? They lack the amphibious and maritime-lift capablity to do so, in the next 5 years. Perhaps military action by China, would not include landing troops?
The US supports the One China policy, however says a use of force by Beijing to rein in an autonomous Tawain that has not declared independence, would be met in kind. That said, if Taiwan did declare independence and China acted, would the US stand by or feel compelled to act, anyway? How would the region react (Japan, South Korea etc)? Would the world (NATO, UN, EU etc) react?
An interesting strategic challenge we face in the coming years.
Operation Ivy
07-15-2004, 08:22 PM
whats with the China-Taiwan issue, every thread seems to be about it
Kilgor
07-15-2004, 08:26 PM
Its a big issue, one of the most dangerous poker face games in the world at the moment.
just something I heard on the radio this morning, thought it was worth posting.
Let the Chinese have Taiwan occupation, give them a little Iraq.
Operation Ivy
07-15-2004, 09:03 PM
Its a big issue, one of the most dangerous poker face games in the world at the moment.
just something I heard on the radio this morning, thought it was worth posting.
i wasnt angry or anything, just seems like this comes up a lot often :D
Secret Squirrel
07-15-2004, 09:05 PM
Buy them the board game "Risk" and let them play. Just like in "Spies like Us", who ever wins get control.
Bayonet
07-16-2004, 02:30 AM
"WAR" is a name of a terrorable story .....
just a story told by a father to his naughty son,,,,
the story sounds like if you dont get back home, I will beat you up...
SFontaine
07-16-2004, 06:00 AM
whats with the China-Taiwan issue, every thread seems to be about it
It's probably the most dangerous issue facing us today. Terrorism is a huge deal but the Chinese government is nuts. Really is something that should be focused on more.
Herrmannek
07-16-2004, 06:06 AM
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan....
Bayonet
07-16-2004, 09:33 AM
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan....
Peace...Peace...No war.....
We will try our best to unified China in a peaceful way.....
We can wait .......
Taiwanese are chinese.....our brothers and sisters....
Phoenix
07-16-2004, 09:45 AM
I hope Taiwan will declare the independence soon and the Nato will protect Taiwan .
Because it is their right.
Herrmannek
07-16-2004, 10:10 AM
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan....
Peace...Peace...No war.....
We will try our best to unified China in a peaceful way.....
We can wait .......
Taiwanese are chinese.....our brothers and sisters....
Where buisnes make countries not people there is no peace.... Sad but I don't think Taiwan has much chances, it can be made without a shot but still ... Taiwan will join PR if it want's or not...
The US wouldn'trule out attack any of the "axis of evil" over the next 20 years what's the big deal?
Pille1234
07-16-2004, 11:45 AM
I hope Taiwan will declare the independence soon and the Nato will protect Taiwan .
Because it is their right.
NATO will surely not protect Taiwan, neither will EU. They will condemn the military action but that's all.
When it comes to action, it all depends on the USA. The longer the Tainwanese people wait, the more the power balance is shifting towards mainland china. For Taiwanese independence it's only now or never. As the US says they won't support a declaration of independence it looks as if it's going to never.
alscho
07-16-2004, 03:02 PM
It would be interesting to hear what people think the status of the China-Taiwan issue will be, come 2008. China says military action within '20 years' given certain circumstances. It's no secret, Taiwan would like to maneuver towards independence at the time Beijing hosts the 2008 Summer Olympics.
Would China use force within the next 4-5 years? Does China believe it could successfully land and 'take' Taiwan in that time frame? They lack the amphibious and maritime-lift capablity to do so, in the next 5 years. Perhaps military action by China, would not include landing troops?
The US supports the One China policy, however says a use of force by Beijing to rein in an autonomous Tawain that has not declared independence, would be met in kind. That said, if Taiwan did declare independence and China acted, would the US stand by or feel compelled to act, anyway? How would the region react (Japan, South Korea etc)? Would the world (NATO, UN, EU etc) react?
An interesting strategic challenge we face in the coming years.
You know, consider national pride, and all, China would rather launch a bound-to-fail attack on Tawain and risk international condemnation than over minor issues such as FDInvestments or the olympics.
If China attacks in 2008, they might not be able to gain a decisive victory on the battlefield but with international reaction, which should be neutral enough, it paves the way to an inevitable full scale invasion.
Coz any independence.. would mean no turning back, public opinion wise anyway.. and any military attack or blockade would mean no more future peaceful approach to Tawain and the future unification attempt however delay it would be, would be an invasion.
The world can condemn all they want, but they have all signed these treaties underlining the fact that there's one China and Tawain is theirs. They can condemn on humantarian grounds.. Can't think of any other.
S. Korea/ Japan won't want to anger the regional giant.. and the 7th fleet must keep its distant due to the Sunburn cruise missiles.. Its fast enough that it wouldn't need a tactical nuke or anything to sink kittyhawk.
cheers
khukuri
07-16-2004, 03:21 PM
maybe the call independence during this big fleet exercise. Then China cant attack
sounds stupid, but you never know
Kampfbaer
07-16-2004, 03:45 PM
What about the one nation two systems thing?
China got hands on Honkong a couple of years ago, and as far as i've been able to watch on german news there aren't many incidents there.
I haven't also noticed a great decline in business there.
Still I don't know how the Taiwanese people watch their big brother.
Does anyone know about polls or sth.
Im sorry but i'm not that well informed concerning this part of the world. :(
Pille1234
07-16-2004, 06:04 PM
What about the one nation two systems thing?
China got hands on Honkong a couple of years ago, and as far as i've been able to watch on german news there aren't many incidents there.
Don't remember the big demonstration for more democracy in Hongkong a few weeks ago?
wiking
07-16-2004, 06:13 PM
I hope Taiwan will declare the independence soon and the Nato will protect Taiwan .
Because it is their right.
NATO will surely not protect Taiwan, neither will EU. They will condemn the military action but that's all.
When it comes to action, it all depends on the USA. The longer the Tainwanese people wait, the more the power balance is shifting towards mainland china. For Taiwanese independence it's only now or never. As the US says they won't support a declaration of independence it looks as if it's going to never.
Well just to say it NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization and was made to protect europe from a Russian\Soviet attack, the treaty does not cover wars in the southern hemosphere or Asia.
I hope Taiwan will declare the independence soon and the Nato will protect Taiwan .
Because it is their right.
NATO will surely not protect Taiwan, neither will EU. They will condemn the military action but that's all.
When it comes to action, it all depends on the USA. The longer the Tainwanese people wait, the more the power balance is shifting towards mainland china. For Taiwanese independence it's only now or never. As the US says they won't support a declaration of independence it looks as if it's going to never.
Well just to say it NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization and was made to protect europe from a Russian\Soviet attack, the treaty does not cover wars in the southern hemosphere or Asia.
NATO is in the process of redefining its purpose. The war in Kosovo/Serbia is an example of the broadened mission of NATO. More recent examples are Afghanistan and the talks over NATO support for security force training in Iraq.
abncougar
07-16-2004, 06:22 PM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Va_Dinger
07-16-2004, 06:45 PM
The odd part is somebody has been predicting a Chinese attack on Taiwan for the past 40+ years. Does anybody really believe China would risk its new economy? Its pure tinfoil.
What about the one nation two systems thing?
China got hands on Honkong a couple of years ago, and as far as i've been able to watch on german news there aren't many incidents there.
I haven't also noticed a great decline in business there.
Still I don't know how the Taiwanese people watch their big brother.
Does anyone know about polls or sth.
Im sorry but i'm not that well informed concerning this part of the world. :(
Hong Kong Tops Economic Freedom List (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19803)
BTW, "one nation two systems" in Taiwan is different from it in Hong Kong: allow Taiwan remain their recent Army (and lifestyle).
If Taiwan leader declare independence(stupid idea), it must be make troubles to U.S. and Chinese mainland.
Bayonet
07-16-2004, 11:27 PM
What about the one nation two systems thing?
China got hands on Honkong a couple of years ago, and as far as i've been able to watch on german news there aren't many incidents there.
I haven't also noticed a great decline in business there.
Still I don't know how the Taiwanese people watch their big brother.
Does anyone know about polls or sth.
Im sorry but i'm not that well informed concerning this part of the world. :(
one nation two systems thing in Taiwan will be different to it in HK..
For example, If one day the taiwan's president delcares let's join PRC
and forget the bull**** independence...then nothing changed in
Taiwan....the president will still be the local leader....Taiwan can still
remain its army , lifestyle and systerm...
In a word , if taiwan give up independence, taiwan is still taiwan..
Nothing will be changed and will get business and economy support from
Beijing....
Its a real peaceful way which will benefit both sides...
wiking
07-17-2004, 12:38 AM
Don't go biting my head of, but when was the last time nations settled a difference of this magnitude peacefully?
Herrmannek
07-17-2004, 04:25 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
Bayonet
07-17-2004, 09:35 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
mack pl
07-17-2004, 09:41 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
:lol:
1) Comunists are evil too :|
2) I don't belive you p-)
3) true
:P
Bayonet
07-17-2004, 10:09 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
:lol:
1) Comunists are evil too :|
2) I don't belive you p-)
3) true
:P
1) We are not comunist too....Maybe I can say China is a nominal communist country. NK is a communist country....
:D can you understand? If you cant ,,,visit China,you will understand...
2)emm.......If one day we have enough power to conquer the world, we would build another Great Wall..... ;)
3)Yes, true... woot
Maciek
07-17-2004, 10:11 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
1) you and nazis are socialists,
2) no now, how about in 20 years,
3) Hitler said that part of Poland is Greman
who should join who :|
Taiwan China or China Taiwan :|
depends on who you ask - people from China or Taiwan :|
Maciek, please check what "Kuomintang" stands for.
Bayonet
07-17-2004, 10:25 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
1) you and nazis are socialists,
2) no now, how about in 20 years,
3) Hitler said that part of Poland is Greman
who should join who :|
Taiwan China or China Taiwan :|
depends on who you ask - people from China or Taiwan :|
1) we are not socialist now....read my last reply...
2) read...
3) Really? OMG......He stole our slogan..
rofl
One question: Polish are German ???
no matter who join who,,,If Mr Chen gives up the independence , nothing will be changed in Taiwan...
Bayonet
07-17-2004, 10:27 AM
Maciek, please check what "Kuomintang" stands for.
Nationalist Party of China,,,whose capital was Naking before 1949
moughoun
07-17-2004, 10:31 AM
the US has sworn to protect taiwan against a chinese invasion
Herrmannek wrote:
I dont think Taiwan has any chances.... China is to big biznes and to big risk to start with them... everyone will be lookin in other direction when China will crush Taiwan
Franchies and Brits said the same in 1939 :)
:D :D :D
1)We are not Nazi.
2)We do not want to conquer the world.
3)Taiwan is not Poland, Poland is an independent state,Taiwan is a part of China.
1) you and nazis are socialists,
2) no now, how about in 20 years,
3) Hitler said that part of Poland is Greman
who should join who :|
Taiwan China or China Taiwan :|
depends on who you ask - people from China or Taiwan :|
1) we are not socialist now....read my last reply...
2) read...
3) Really? OMG......He stole our slogan..
rofl
One question: Polish are German ???
no matter who join who,,,If Mr Chen gives up the independence , nothing will be changed in Taiwan...
No the Pole are not German's, they are going to come and kick your bum now ;)
Maciek
07-17-2004, 10:34 AM
Maciek, please check what "Kuomintang" stands for.
Nationalist Party of China,,,whose capital was Naking before 1949
National socialists - aint the same as Nationalist - they are more like komunists but do not get ther orders from ussr
Bayonet
07-17-2004, 10:42 AM
Maciek, please check what "Kuomintang" stands for.
Nationalist Party of China,,,whose capital was Naking before 1949
National socialists - aint the same as Nationalist - they are more like komunists but do not get ther orders from ussr
No No No ......Mr Jiang's kuomingtang are a party like republican or Dlemocrat in the US and exists now in taiwan. They have great differences to communists....
Maciek
07-17-2004, 11:00 AM
Maciek, please check what "Kuomintang" stands for.
Nationalist Party of China,,,whose capital was Naking before 1949
National socialists - aint the same as Nationalist - they are more like komunists but do not get ther orders from ussr
No No No ......Mr Jiang's kuomingtang are a party like republican or Dlemocrat in the US and exists now in taiwan. They have great differences to communists....
You do not understand what I wrote
again:
National socialists != Nationalist
National socialists ~= socjalists
socjalists == communists
Nationalists can be capitalists
National socjalists, socjalists and communists cant be capitalists
And China has its own way (3 way)
If China will by more like communists then you will have to make Taiwan join you.
If China will by more like democracy then Taiwan might join China, Taiwan is putting in China more and more money to make it more democratic.
mack pl
07-17-2004, 11:04 AM
No the Pole are not German's, they are going to come and kick your bum now ;)
well, Im 1/8 Austrian, but generally Im Pole :lol: and, no, I will not kick Bayonet, Im not racist :lol:
btw does anyone here belive that China will attack Taiwan? Well, IMO its sensless(sp.). BTW I think many taiwanese(sp.) making business in China, so, I dont think comunists wanna changed that... :roll:
Pozdro all
alscho
07-17-2004, 05:28 PM
I am from Hong Kong. I can tell you yes 'one country two systems' works generally, its great not to see PLA troops marching down Central, our financial AND bars/clubs center of HK. But we don't elect our own chief executive, we don't have universal suffrage, and 1/2 the legistration council is appointed... to be pro-China. Thats what the newest demonstration was about. We want universal suffrage and we want it ASAP. Not that China said we will never have them, its guarenteed under 'the basic laws' but they say that we aren't 'ready' for it..
Furthermore, although '1 country 2 systems' works, there are these quiet.. secretive actions by China which is quite disturbing.
3 political mouthpieces of HK were blackmailed and threatened by 'unknown' people, to the extend that they nolonger broadcast in fear for their families.
HKese who goes to mainland China, were repeatedly told 'informally' by government officials to 'vote' for the pro-China parties in the up coming 2006 election.
Also the fact that the current Chief Executive, hated by everyone for being a puppet of China, mishandling of SARS, and just generally incompetent.. was re-elected by 700 political elites of HK to run another 5 years term. Problem is that there were no competition for the spot and he achieved something like 90% votes.
thas the situation everyone should know.
Not to offend anyone, HK Tops Economic Freedom List means nothing.. It is based purely on ECONOMIC TERMS.
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Actually the reason why the CCP won in China and the KMT retreated to Tawain was cause the population prefer the side that's not as corrupted and brutal, and actually committed their forces to fight the Japanese during WW2.
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cheers,
rodin_hsu
07-18-2004, 05:54 AM
What about the one nation two systems thing?
China got hands on Honkong a couple of years ago, and as far as i've been able to watch on german news there aren't many incidents there.
I haven't also noticed a great decline in business there.
Still I don't know how the Taiwanese people watch their big brother.
Does anyone know about polls or sth.
Im sorry but i'm not that well informed concerning this part of the world. :(
Ok, let me tell you.
In political term, the idea "One Nation Two Systems" in Taiwan is DEAD.
It's nothing to do with how successful or not this system is.
Just because it conflict with the idea to separate from China.
The pro-indepence politicians are dominating the politics in Taiwan so they let this idea die. Another reason is that CHINA is a really bad policy seller.
However, from my point of view, what really matter is the attitude of US government. They had never claimed in public that they will let Taiwan on their own if they declare independence. And the US government have made a lot of money from selling Taiwan weapon systems every year, and made use of Taiwan to blackmail CHINA on international affair, like WTO, at the same time!!
Unfortunatelly, the Taiwan pro-independent politicos BELIEVE that they are backing up by US. They BELIEVE that they have a chance to successfully declare to be an independent country. So why should they accept "One country and two systems"?
Damn Bush administration and his munition industry tycoon friends!!
rodin_hsu
07-18-2004, 06:07 AM
The US wouldn'trule out attack any of the "axis of evil" over the next 20 years what's the big deal?
The big deal is hundred of thousands of people will die!
The big deal is the Economy around the world will be hurt!
The big deal is two nuclear big guys of the world will fight each other.
The big deal is .... any body can follow?
rodin_hsu
07-18-2004, 06:13 AM
When it comes to action, it all depends on the USA. The longer the Tainwanese people wait, the more the power balance is shifting towards mainland china. For Taiwanese independence it's only now or never. As the US says they won't support a declaration of independence it looks as if it's going to never.
Man! ... You got the point.
The Taiwan separatists know that.
And that is exactly the reason they want to push on independence progress before 2008. THAT is the CRSIS!...
Bayonet
07-18-2004, 09:25 AM
When it comes to action, it all depends on the USA. The longer the Tainwanese people wait, the more the power balance is shifting towards mainland china. For Taiwanese independence it's only now or never. As the US says they won't support a declaration of independence it looks as if it's going to never.
Man! ... You got the point.
The Taiwan separatists know that.
And that is exactly the reason they want to push on independence progress before 2008. THAT is the CRSIS!...
Damn.....They are crazy gamblers.....
Follow rodin_hsu:
The big deal is I will have to kill or be killed by my taiwan brothers.....
tooms
07-18-2004, 10:31 AM
Why chineses still think tawain belongs to china? Taiwaneses developped their own society successfully and don't want to be chineses.
We can give you Corsica with its mafia. :lol:
Bayonet
07-18-2004, 10:38 AM
Why chineses still think tawain belongs to china? Taiwaneses developped their own society successfully and don't want to be chineses.
We can give you Corsica with its mafia. :lol:
French people are very generous...HAHA.....
We will think about your advice.... :D
BTW
French is an interesting language, my roommate is learning now in French Centre,Shanghai.
alscho
07-18-2004, 12:16 PM
Main idea is that no matter no 'tawainese' they might think they are, they are still.. in fact.. Chinese. They only speak the same lang, share the same culture etc etc... lol of course, i guess its the same with Corsica. Is it the one at the Spainish border?
For most people, its hard to imagine.. having two Chinese countries thas all.. its never happened before. SE Asia islands don't count, they never had say .. Chinese Imperial Court officials upholding the law etc..
Plus its been only 50 years since the split. It was a cold war event.. and Cold war just ended 10 years ago.. oui? Je n'aime pas 'une fente' pour mes gens. ;)
cheers
rodin_hsu
07-18-2004, 01:41 PM
Why chineses still think tawain belongs to china? Taiwaneses developped their own society successfully and don't want to be chineses.
It's a complicated question and hard to answer in few sentences.
I can only provide you with some of my personal reasons.
Maybe you are generous enough to let part of your territory to pursuit independence. But what if these people sympathy with Nazi? What if these people always slur your culture, faith, ancestor, and tradition?
Will you let them gain their purpose for free?
Do you know that most of the Taiwanese separatists who is older than 70 years speak Japanese? Some of them even wear Japanese soldier uniform in World War II.
Many countries had paid for their independence and freedom, including US, French, India, China, ....
Generally, they share some noble value, and willing to sacrifice for that.
They pay for that and gain their purpose. That is respectful.
Unfortunatelly, Taiwan independence is not the case. If you know Taiwan politics in the last 10 years, you will understand how these people work. Personally, I think they are so MEAN!!
And they don't think that they will pay for their independence.
Taiwan was a successful story TEN years ago. NOT now.
Jehuty
07-18-2004, 01:50 PM
Indeed it looks like a complicated issue.
But to make easier (for me), do you think that the Taiwanese people (not the politics but the people) want to be in his majority an independant country?
alscho
07-18-2004, 02:13 PM
I think deep inside most ppl don't care for these nationalist stuff. I am not Tawainese but to have a good job, raise their family, and live a happy and stable life... lol
If there is no politic, there will never be any nations :) wishful thinking anyway.
Are people fed up with all the tension existed for all these years yet? I sure do feel like it sometimes.
rodin_hsu
07-18-2004, 02:24 PM
Indeed it looks like a complicated issue.
But to make easier (for me), do you think that the Taiwanese people (not the politics but the people) want to be in his majority an independant country?
Yes.
Through the last ten years, the poll records in Taiwan have shifted dramatically. The support of independence changed from around 20% to more than half now.
The reason is partially because the pro-independent party is really good in manipulating public perceiving. And, of course, CHINA is also not a good guy, that make them do their job easier.
perdurabo
07-18-2004, 05:47 PM
complicated case
hope it will be resolved in peacefull way. In other way lots of ppl will loose their life and homes.
Bayonet
07-18-2004, 09:19 PM
complicated case
hope it will be resolved in peacefull way. In other way lots of ppl will loose their life and homes.
I agree.....No War, No Death.....
Taiwan is important to China....Taiwanese people's life is more important to Chinese...
Peace woot Peace woot Peace woot
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