Mengele removed my kidney without anesthetic

[G3SG1]

A Greek Jew, he was deported along with his mother and father and five brothers and sisters to Auschwitz in 1944.

His father died en-route, his mother and siblings were gassed within hours of arrival.

But he was chosen by Mengele, the diabolical SS doctor who met every transport that arrived so he could pick human guinea pigs for his horrific experiments.

Tattooed on his lower left arm with the number 182558, Mengele - known to his victims as the 'Angel of Death' - had Mr Ganon strapped to an operating table.

'He cut into me, without anesthetic,' said Mr Ganon.

'The pain was indescribable. I felt every slice of the knife. Then I saw my kidney pulsating in his hand. I cried like a madman, I cried out the prayer; “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one...”

'And I prayed to die, that I might not suffer this agony any more.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1235014/Mengele-stole-kidney-Auschwitz-survivor-reveals-avoided-doctors-64-years.html#addComment#ixzz0ZcD4ojQ2

[Tyon]

I guess that sucks.

[2495]

I cannot imagine anything worse than a major operation without anaesthetic.

The Japanese did this too as a matter of routine in some of their experi,emtal science camps. Truely horrific.

[fooj]

I cannot imagine anything worse than a major operation without anaesthetic.

The Japanese did this too as a matter of routine in some of their experi,emtal science camps. Truely horrific.

I was recently reading about the Japanese conducting a live vivisection on a B29 bomber crew. The axis powers seem to have had this perverse fascination with inflicting maximal pain for very little medical gain.

[dttk0009]

There is no way this thread is going to end well.

[INAT]

I read that Mengele was shipped to the United States under Operation Paperclip.:|

[dttk0009]

I read that Mengele was shipped to the United States under Operation Paperclip.:|
To be fair, he was one of thousands, all contributing to post WWII development in the USA. Like it or not.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I was recently reading about the Japanese conducting a live vivisection on a B29 bomber crew. The axis powers seem to have had this perverse fascination with inflicting maximal pain for very little medical gain.

Actually much of the Nazi research conducted during the holocaust has proven to be extremely valuable in medical science. Especiallly research into hyopthermia.

Problem is bad ethics is linked to bad science and thus much of the research is ignored as being useless. There is actually major debate in acadamia on about this.

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html

[FrankBooth0]

http://www.holocaustcenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=605

A relative (rather two, he was a twin) were "patients" of this man. He cites Mengele using anesthesia.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2qcedt3.jpg

Edit: Though his methods may have differed when dealing with twins.

[2495]

http://www.holocaustcenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=605

A relative (rather two, he was a twin) were "patients" of this man. He cites Mengele using anesthesia.


Edit: Though his methods may have differed when dealing with twins.


A survivor, Eva Mozes Kor, later recalled how a set of Gypsy twins was brought back from Mengele's lab after they were sewn back to back. Mengele had attempted to create a Siamese twin by connecting blood vessels and organs. The twins screamed day and night until gangrene set in, and after three days, they died ...

He didn't give a damn about how much pain he caused. His experiments were the stuff truely of nightmares.

[FrankBooth0]

He regarded them as test subjects, negating any shred of humanity to be applied. A shame he didn't operate on himself.

[Flamming_Python]

No surprise - who was in charge of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan at the time? The very same sadists.

[2495]

He regarded them as test subjects, negating any shred of humanity to be applied. A shame he didn't operate on himself.

Agreed 100% - those were dark, dark evil days indeed.

[fooj]

Actually much of the Nazi research conducted during the holocaust has proven to be extremely valuable in medical science. Especiallly research into hyopthermia.

Problem is bad ethics is linked to bad science and thus much of the research is ignored as being useless. There is actually major debate in acadamia on about this.

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html

Interesting link. I can definitely see how some of it may be interpreted as useful. Some of the other stuff is just plain bizarre.

A doctor wanting to open a museum for Jewish skulls and skeletons? Another doctor hacking limbs off and transplanting them to other amputated victims? Shooting Russians in the spleen for fresh blood? Subjecting ********s to massive doses of radiation? Wha?

[Zarak]

In theory, one could advance science much more quickly if one weren't burdened by ethics. Just like one could get rich more quickly if he weren't burdened by ethics. Or get laid more quickly if not burdened by ethics...

But, to us non-sociopaths, ethics are a vital part of life.

[Derbedeu]

I would have thought that at one point one just simply goes unconscious due to the pain. Apparently not. That sucks. :|

[Zarak]

I would have thought that at one point one just simply goes unconscious due to the pain. Apparently not. That sucks. :|

That's a fair point. How did they keep the victim from going into shock?

[Eye]

I don't think it's possible to survive such operation without anaesthesia.

[Geezah]

I cannot imagine anything worse than a major operation without anaesthetic.

The Japanese did this too as a matter of routine in some of their experi,emtal science camps. Truely horrific.


Unit 731..........

[Rayber]

My view on using Nazi science is that if its usefull then why not ? If this can save lives i see nothing wrong on using it because atleast the victims didnt suffer in vain if something good can come out of all those horror stories ...

[seraosha]

I read that one of the hypothermia experiments had a father and daughter swimming in a tank of freezing water...they would be taken out at timed breaks and forced to have *** as a way of determining if they were still able to function normally after their immersion.

Yeah...I don't care if there is valuable information in that experiment, it's wrong...it remains wrong, and any information gleaned from the experiment would only have value if there was a large disclaimer regarding how the information was gathered, and only with the express permission of the people involved in the torture/experiment.

Fvucking Nazi's.

[Moledet]

In theory, one could advance science much more quickly if one weren't burdened by ethics. Just like one could get rich more quickly if he weren't burdened by ethics. Or get laid more quickly if not burdened by ethics...

But, to us non-sociopaths, ethics are a vital part of life.
Why bother saving humans if you are not bound by ethics? That's like the biggest oxymoron I've heard. If you don't mind about ethics don't put all the hard work into it.

[Clockwinder]

My view on using Nazi science is that if its usefull then why not ? If this can save lives i see nothing wrong on using it because atleast the victims didnt suffer in vain if something good can come out of all those horror stories ...
You ARE kidding, right? Things done during wartime don't get a "pass". And these "things" are despicable and horrific and sub-human. There is ZERO positive to come from this. I'm sure you know this is but one story among 1000s - one more horrific than the last.
Nazi science did include rocketry and unlocking the atom. The genesis of the atomic bomb and the US and USSR Space programs, but those were in Physics and Mathematics.

[Macs.]

You ARE kidding, right? Things done during wartime don't get a "pass". And these "things" are despicable and horrific and sub-human. There is ZERO positive to come from this.

It has already happened.

Nazi scientists didn't simply cease to exist after 1945 and their "findings" influenced the rest of the science world.

[muck]

I guess that sucks.My good Sir, you've been awarded with the "understatement of the day" commendation medal.

[Rayber]

You ARE kidding, right? Things done during wartime don't get a "pass". And these "things" are despicable and horrific and sub-human. There is ZERO positive to come from this. I'm sure you know this is but one story among 1000s - one more horrific than the last.
Nazi science did include rocketry and unlocking the atom. The genesis of the atomic bomb and the US and USSR Space programs, but those were in Physics and Mathematics.
Im serious , i do of course know this is one story in a 1000s but if this material is life saving , then why not use it ? really its despicable that it was done of course , but do you really think that using this material will say "hey , doing this to POWs and innocent civillians is OK as long as the results are life saving?" ?

[Tyon]

My good Sir, you've been awarded with the "understatement of the day" commendation medal.

Thanks but well as i've never experienced such a thing i can only assume how it is.

So i still guess it sucks.