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andrew45c
07-29-2003, 01:10 PM
Which of these countrys has a better camoflauge scheme your opinions please.

He219
07-29-2003, 01:14 PM
You forgot Germany.
...and a bunch of others...

http://www.deutschemarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwContentByKey/N25FGD5J069RRIRDE/$File/2-Hitze-Besatzungkl.jpg

Look Here (http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/camo_index.html) for other schemes....

USAF G
07-29-2003, 01:14 PM
They all look the same, once they are covered in mud and dust and junk. ;)

Chet Mystery
07-29-2003, 01:28 PM
Yea, how about Danish, Canadian, Russian, Italian, and French. All have good patterns worth debating.

Also, when you say U.S. Forces camo, thats too broad, as there is US woodland and USMC Marpat, both are US forces, which are we supposed to evaluate into the poll??? Then, throw in the big differences when we get to desert patterns....oh boy.

Long story short, this entire poll is WAY too broad.

Beowulf
07-29-2003, 01:45 PM
I would say Cadpat and Marpat since they're "new" and supposedly very effective.

Smintjes
07-29-2003, 01:47 PM
CADPAT and Flecktarn.

(and our Belgian jigsaw-pattern for it's "funkiness" :) )

Maverick77
07-29-2003, 01:55 PM
The Candian Army and the U.S Marines have the best cammo

no ****in two ways about it.

Shadow
07-29-2003, 01:57 PM
German Flecktarn

andrew45c
07-29-2003, 01:58 PM
Ok i did leave out germany thats because i didnt want to list loads and thats why i put OTHER PLEASE SPECIFY and i do no that saying simply camo is broad but i meant in general.

And if that picture is of a german solidier then im glad i left that one out cos that camo makes him look really obvious (although he is in a heli).

martinexsquaddie
07-29-2003, 04:19 PM
USAF G had it right once your covered in mud or dust they all lock the same.
US Bdu trousers are very comfatable but the bdu jackets are lousy for carrying stuff.
the new british smock you can get loads of stuff into

He219
07-29-2003, 05:41 PM
The Pixilated FleckTarn has been in service with the Germans since 1991. Rumors are that it's introduction was delayed due to apprehension with resemblances in WWII (http://www.1944militaria.com/new_camouflage.htm) SS camouflage...

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/3bf1f42b52b60032c1256bf10032c06a/Body/2.19FC?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Just add Mud.....


http://www.deutschemarine.de/made/dmbildg.nsf/vwAlle/1E9F2994E9917293C1256C16002DEBEB/$File/xa007.jpg
shrubbery....


http://hkpro.com/mg43pile.jpg
the Tropics....


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Allied_Germany/a_ksk02.jpg
or dust!

The key is to mix with ambient colors and to break the 'outline'. Does anybody have info on new light reflective (http://www.waterneversleeps.com/archives/00000102.htm) 'Predator Style' camo?


Check out this (http://www.combatcoat.com/art_of_camo.htm) Combat coat Negative Disruptive Pattern Camouflage.

budanski
07-29-2003, 05:43 PM
Wow. I don't see anything there. ;)

He219
07-29-2003, 05:52 PM
Hehehe!

Check this (http://www.i4u.com/article173.html) out!

The latest Japanese craze....

:P

ScoutRanger
07-29-2003, 05:55 PM
Hehehe!

Check this (http://www.i4u.com/article173.html) out!

The latest Japanese craze....

:P

Unless you view it from an angle.

He219
07-29-2003, 06:07 PM
Ok, you are right (http://www.snopes.com/photos/skirts.asp), interesting nonetheless....

ScoutRanger
07-29-2003, 06:09 PM
What the hell is wrong with them people. I think they've been on the Island a little to long if you ask me. Are those stuffed ****s they have on running around with?

Ichhabe
07-29-2003, 08:17 PM
One thing about camoflage, is that it is normally made for the spesific "specialities" of one's Army geographical condition. (did that make any sense? :D )

So the German flecktar is made for Germay's woods. US woodland, is made for the Americans,...eeeh. Woods?
So is the Norwegian camoflage. Made for Norwegian conditions.

And like this I could almost go on forever. What works in some parts of the world, would stick out like a poop on a white cloth in other parts.
Just my 2 øre.

budanski
07-29-2003, 10:31 PM
I had the understanding that the American gears were more balanced to be used on a global field and not specialized in one area. Thats been military planners thinking for the past decades.

JTF-2 Wannabe
07-29-2003, 11:05 PM
i think the CADPAT is the best...

FallenAngel
07-29-2003, 11:14 PM
I hear the German FleckTarn is pretty damn effective as is the MARPAT and CADPAT.

I also second the Belgians for the "funkiness" factor :)

Ballistic
07-29-2003, 11:20 PM
How are you looking at it ? In terms of just looks or in terms of actual effectiveness ?

In terms of effectiveness, I would say each countries pattern has been designed to blend (obviously) within their own terrain and surrounding regions, often with Desert patterns thrown into the mix, so judging on that front is pretty moot.

In terms of looks, I'm partial to the Australian desert pattern (so I'm biased :) ) The Yank MARPAT and Canadian CADPAT and German Flecktarn are all nice aswell.

USMarine3521
07-29-2003, 11:58 PM
I like the new USMC BDU's which are supposed to be based of the German BDU's i heard.

Ratamacue
07-30-2003, 12:00 AM
No, they're based off of CADPAT.

USMarine3521
07-30-2003, 12:03 AM
umm what is CADPAT? do you have a link you can show me. thanks if not then try to give an example because i have no idea what CADPAT is

Chet Mystery
07-30-2003, 12:23 AM
MARPAT on top
CADPAT on bottom

http://www.mcaroy.com/camo/comparisonmarcad2.JPG

USMarine3521
07-30-2003, 12:42 AM
and the USMC uses the one on top correct?? or both?, cuz i remember seeing a Marine wearing one the looks more like the one on top at MEPS, looks really muddy/brownish.

usa320
07-30-2003, 01:21 AM
I will say taht the Brits and Canadians have some of the better cammos...though the US Marines have some new stuff that looks really clean and good.

steel bonnet
07-30-2003, 03:35 AM
Well l`ll go with :-

1st Flecktarn
2nd Chinese Winter Cammo
3nd DPM
4rd US Woodland

Ja
Steel Bonnet

FallenAngel
07-30-2003, 03:43 AM
and the USMC uses the one on top correct?? or both?, cuz i remember seeing a Marine wearing one the looks more like the one on top at MEPS, looks really muddy/brownish.

yes....the Marines use the one top.....just like he said. Thats MARPAT (for "Marine Pattern") which is heavily based on CADPAT. It comes in woodland-esque (as shown) and desert (see gallery) with an urban version supposedly under development.

German Flecktarn is similar, but uses small circles instead of squares/rectangles-- probably just as effective, if not more so, as the MARPAT.

and technically....that isn't brown. Its called "coyote brown". ;)

Steve Andrews
07-30-2003, 05:28 AM
Flecktarn is warry...........

budanski
07-30-2003, 08:20 AM
Call me old fashion, but i still like the Vietnam era tiger stripes. Too bad they faded so easily due to their poor dyes from the region. Next comes, the Flectarn, and for Rave-ready uniforms? the Belgians, always ready for Oakenfold. :D

Smintjes
07-30-2003, 09:43 AM
Call me old fashion, but i still like the Vietnam era tiger stripes. Too bad they faded so easily due to their poor dyes from the region. Next comes, the Flectarn, and for Rave-ready uniforms? the Belgians, always ready for Oakenfold. :D

:)

Spearin
07-30-2003, 01:59 PM
CADPAT I say. Also, in those pics above, my CADPAT isn't that yellowish. It's much darker and more greenish (not lime green though).

khukuri
07-30-2003, 07:04 PM
Swedish cammo--- works perfectly in sweden.

http://www.insatspluton.com/media/pics/1_17.jpg
isats

http://batbek.amfbat.com/images/fotov122/DSC00010.JPG
batbek

edit:Man what the f*ck, why didnt the images work?

budanski
07-30-2003, 07:07 PM
edit:Man what the f*ck, why didnt the images work?

http://www.insatspluton.com/media/pics/1_17.jpg

http://batbek.amfbat.com/images/fotov122/DSC00010.JPG

He219
07-30-2003, 07:47 PM
lenin: BBCode must be checked!!


Fresh from Liberia: Woodland and MARPAT

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/thumbnails/thumb_030721-F-6701P-018.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030721-F-6701P-018.jpg)

LUNGI, Sierra Leone -- Marines prepare to board an Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter here July 21. The Marines are part of an antiterrorism security team augmenting security at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia, Liberia. The helicopters are deployed form Naval Air Station Keflavik, Iceland, as part of the 398th Air Expeditionary Group. The group provides recovery and emergency evacuation capabilities in Liberia. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Justin D. Pyle)

rob
07-30-2003, 10:37 PM
i know that in a test done by nato cadpat prooved the overall most effective pattern but the marpat was not around at the time yet.

what i like is

1.marpat and cadpat
2.german flecktran(or however you spell it, i can never get it right)

GazB
07-31-2003, 01:09 AM
The square pattern of those designs reminds me of the old one piece camo the Spetsnaz toyed with in Afghanistan.

James
07-31-2003, 01:20 AM
I suppose you mean modern military uniforms? If not, I will go with the British uniform of the 18th century - scarlet coats, white trousers, black boots, and a big white X across their chests! :lol:

FallenAngel
07-31-2003, 01:25 AM
I suppose you mean modern military uniforms? If not, I will go with the British uniform of the 18th century - scarlet coats, white trousers, black boots, and a big white X across their chests! :lol:

rofl rofl rofl

yeah. That's not really "camo" per say....but still funny as hell. :)

stuntman
07-31-2003, 02:10 AM
The best camo is a snipers guilli suit (spelling?)
http://www.hlla.com/reference/pix/army-snipers.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/snipersustainment/asatarticle.jpghttp://www.angelfire.com/tx5/snipersustainment/Ghillie1.JPG
but in my opinion I like m81 woodland, not because of its camo qualities (which are not really effective in a any certain part) but becuase its the most coppied camo in the world! Also its the camo that is most shown on television. And I also asked a old friend of mines from college (who's a USMC) about how could the super patriotic USMC copy a variant of cadpat? and he told me plain and simple that's "In Vietnam our special forces used tiger stripe which is originally one of Prototypes for the Uk armed forces (DPM won) and we were thinking of adopting it during vietnam era, but many objected to this idea of using another countries camo, so many figured that we were on the bulk of free world tv at the time and no one would ever really know where it came from! So he continued about how Canadian forces aren't really on the main stream of TV (especially because of Iraq and it's our war really) so USMC are shown always and for most of the future USMC s will be shown more" That’s a quote from a chat discussion.. Just my 2 cents and his! So my main point is the best camo is most likely not just effective in general but also psychological in the sense that its known and respected all over.. The romans were known for thier bib feathers on thier helmets, the british were known for thier red coats (which scared the hell out of thier enemies, especially early America) So much of American culture is copied and in most cases branded as a decease.. But if you see Mcdonalds u either get hungry or hate America? The US has a great history and we have our own stlye of doing things. We are going to use the xm8 very soon, and many are very angry about it! But remember that the g36 type weapon is very blocky which most european weapons are, and the xm 8 is being redisigned by car companies, because in our history we hapen to like round guns and just certain styles of weapons foods and just our culture is so dam over whelming!
!P.S. Please forgive my vagueness, misspellings and bad grammar!
but i hope you get my point...

He219
07-31-2003, 02:12 AM
The square pattern of those designs reminds me of the old one piece camo (http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/poc_soviet.html) the Spetsnaz toyed with in Afghanistan.

James
07-31-2003, 02:30 AM
Ghillie suit...

Scottish game wardens dressed this way for many years while hunting animals/poachers. They were inducted into the BEF in WWI to kill the enemy on the Western Front.

camostore.de
08-08-2008, 04:02 AM
Hi Gent's,

i am try to look for a shop where i can buy some swedish and canadian camo gear.
Is anybody here who knows a adress where i can buy it.

Thank's

Buckeye67
08-08-2008, 04:48 AM
I vote for the old East German Strichtarn/Rain Pattern camouflage.

guest
08-08-2008, 04:51 AM
You just won the "I had to drag up a 5 year old post, because creating a new thread, that actually has something to do with my question, doesn't compute.." Award

In the wrong section too..

With your first post as well.!

Hat-trick!, You da man!

Buckeye67
08-08-2008, 05:02 AM
You just won the "I had to drag up a 5 year old post, because creating a new thread, that actually has something to do with my question, doesn't compute.." Award

In the wrong section too..

With your first post as well.!

Hat-trick!, You da man!

I still vote for the old East German Strichtarn/Rain Pattern camo.

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/fallise5a.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/fallise5a.jpg)

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/fallistrichtarn930.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/fallistrichtarn930.jpg)

Sexy.