On religious discrimination, India next only to Iraq: US thinktank

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On religious discrimination, India next only to Iraq: US thinktank (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/On-religious-discrimination-India-next-only-to-Iraq-US-thinktank-/articleshow/5363193.cms)

NEW DELHI: For India, international recognition of its free and pluralistic society has always been hard to come by and while things are changing, they are clearly changing slowly. A study carried out by Washington-based Pew Research Centre, the highly respected US thinktank, said India is next only to Iraq when it comes to social hostility and religious discrimination perpetrated by individuals and groups.

The study titled `Global Restrictions on Religion' took into account the situation in as many as 198 countries, North Korea being the only notable exception, to derive the conclusion. India was just below Iraq and well above countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan when it came to social hostility in the country. Pakistan is at the third place right below India.

The study, which claims to cover 99.5% of the world population, deals with restrictions imposed on religion not just by social groups and individuals but also by the government. Even in the case of government induced restrictions, India fares badly with its position in the top 40 countries out of the 198 mentioned.

Even though the report says that "the highest overall levels of restrictions are found in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran, where both the government and society at large impose numerous limits on religious beliefs and practices'' India is ranked well above them in the social hostility index.

While India has fared badly on both, China has done remarkably well when it comes to social hostility even though it has done badly in the government imposed restrictions section. "Vietnam and China, for instance, have high government restrictions on religion but are in the moderate or low range when it comes to social hostilities. Nigeria and Bangladesh follow the opposite pattern: high in social hostilities but moderate in terms of government actions,'' it says.

The report clubs India with Sri Lanka, Ethiopia and Bangladesh as countries where large segments of the population want to protect the special place of one particular religion. This is how it explains the high social hostility index for these countries. "Many of the restrictions imposed in these countries are driven by groups pressing for the enshrinement of their interpretation of the majority faith, including through Shariah law in Muslim societies and Hindutva movement in India which seeks to define India as a Hindu nation,'' says the report.

In preparing this study, states the report, the Pew Forum devised a battery of measures, phrased as questions, to gauge the levels of government and social restrictions on religion in each country. "To answer these questions, Pew Forum researchers combed through 16 widely cited, publicly available sources of information, including reports by the US State Department, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, the UN Special *******eur on Freedom of Religion or Belief, the Council of the European Union, the United Kingdom's Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Human Rights Watch, the International Crisis Group, the Hudson Institute and Amnesty International,'' it states.

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A study carried out by Washington-based Pew Research Centre, the highly respected US thinktank, said India is next only to Iraq when it comes to social hostility and religious discrimination perpetrated by individuals and groups.


No way - this 'think tank' hasn't travelled very far and to many countries if they think India is rough on religions..

Hell, theres 10 right off the bat that I could name as far, far worse than India.

[-Max2-]

No way - this 'think tank' hasn't travelled very far and to many countries if they think India is rough on religions..

Hell, theres 10 right off the bat that I could name as far, far worse than India.

*cough* Saudi Arabia *cough*

[3rdMillhouse]

Pew Research Centre

Pew pew pew?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/elBoris/pewpewpew.jpg

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*cough* Saudi Arabia *cough*

Well saudi arabia isn't on the list because they really don't allow any other religion on their soil. Can't have turmoil if you don't allow other religions in the mix, lol.

[muck]

No way - this 'think tank' hasn't travelled very far and to many countries if they think India is rough on religions..

Hell, theres 10 right off the bat that I could name as far, far worse than India.Pakistan. Saudi Arabia. Eritrea. Somalia. Iran. North Korea.

For heavens sake even our holidaymaker's paradise Egypt is a place where religious minorities are awefully persecuted.

[dracon49]

Why the US Department of State writes on freedom on all the countries ,but it doesnt write on the US itself?..im pretty sure that not everything there is good(in terms of human rights and freedom etc..).

[Clockwinder]

In preparing this study, states the report, the Pew Forum devised a battery of measures, phrased as questions, to gauge the levels of government and social restrictions on religion in each country. "To answer these questions, Pew Forum researchers combed through 16 widely cited, publicly available sources of information, including reports by the US State Department, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, the UN Special *******eur on Freedom of Religion or Belief, the Council of the European Union, the United Kingdom's Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Human Rights Watch, the International Crisis Group, the Hudson Institute and Amnesty International,'' it states.

Yet their website pewresearch.org/ states


This is an independent public opinion survey research project that studies attitudes toward the press, politics and public policy issues. It is best known for regular national surveys that measure public attentiveness to major news stories, and for polling that charts trends in values and fundamental political and social attitudes.

That means that their methodology for these results isn't their usual method, and therefore, I have to conclude (after conducting my own survey) that their results are skewed and therefore irrelevant.

[MaDuce]

Why the US Department of State writes on freedom on all the countries ,but it doesnt write on the US itself?..im pretty sure that not everything there is good(in terms of human rights and freedom etc..).

Say what you will about how we treat other countries but in terms of civil liberties/rights we have most countries even most of Europe beat. Although as a consquence private citizens are free to discriminate through hate speech, publications etc...

[P.Koschei]

Obviously this is just a typical evanjihadi christist propaganda campaign to malign the name of Bharat, which as everyone knows is the most tolerant and diverse place in the world and has never invaded anyone in five quadrillion years.

Or maybe actually read the report. It separates social hostility and government restrictions on two axis. Places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran fare worse when you factor in both. India has fairly extensive government restrictions on religion as is, but the average abdul & anil take things to a whole different level. For example, many landlords in India will not rent out apartments to non co-religionists. A form of non-official discrimination that is practically unheard of in secular countries and probably rarer in Pakistan than India.

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oh yes we do chop off peoples arms, rape, pillage and murder them all in the name of religion..yes I see now average abdul and anil do take it to a different level. :roll:....anyways good luck trolling.:)

[dracon49]

Say what you will about how we treat other countries but in terms of civil liberties/rights we have most countries even most of Europe beat. Although as a consquence private citizens are free to discriminate through hate speech, publications etc...
Death penalty i dont think its too human(even though i would like if we would have it in Israel ,but only against terrorists and radical cases of murders that killed many ppl).

[dredger14]

I don't see why religious intolerance/discrimination is considered worse by these "mom and pop" groups than general discrimination.

[JBH22]

So more appeasement of minorities at the expense of the majority for India to move up in the ranking..

[JBH22]

Why the US Department of State writes on freedom on all the countries ,but it doesnt write on the US itself?..im pretty sure that not everything there is good(in terms of human rights and freedom etc..).

fully agree with you if they kill 100 people in a wedding in A-stan its collateral damage. if 50 people are killed in riots in a weak country it is degraded in name of freedom of religion,persecution etcc..

[Sootan]

Obviously this is just a typical evanjihadi christist propaganda campaign to malign the name of Bharat, which as everyone knows is the most tolerant and diverse place in the world and has never invaded anyone in five quadrillion years.

Or maybe actually read the report. It separates social hostility and government restrictions on two axis. Places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran fare worse when you factor in both. India has fairly extensive government restrictions on religion as is, but the average abdul & anil take things to a whole different level. For example, many landlords in India will not rent out apartments to non co-religionists. A form of non-official discrimination that is practically unheard of in secular countries and probably rarer in Pakistan than India.

evanjihadi christist ? Awesome... :lol:

[dracon49]

fully agree with you if they kill 100 people in a wedding in A-stan its collateral damage. if 50 people are killed in riots in a weak country it is degraded in name of freedom of religion,persecution etcc..
I talked about human rights inside the US not what they do outside(and ofcourse outside they breach even more).

[ggk]

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oh yes we do chop off peoples arms, rape, pillage and murder them all in the name of religion..yes I see now average abdul and anil do take it to a different level. :roll:....anyways good luck trolling.:)

Dear member,
In regards of the matter above. Would you like me to attach the 2cubictonnes of report in this matters? For educational purpose ofcourse.
regards
ggk

[muck]

fully agree with you if they kill 100 people in a wedding in A-stan its collateral damage. if 50 people are killed in riots in a weak country it is degraded in name of freedom of religion,persecution etcc..There is a difference between collateral damage - indicating that harm was unintentionally done to innocent people - and deliberate violence against individuals, for example a country's opposition. Oh for fvck's sake you can't really compare Iranian or Guinean police forces that mow down peaceful protesters with a flawedly conducted airstrike in Afghanistan.

Oh and as for religious discrimination...Yussuf al-Kardawi, the Islamic world's leading cleric, has issued a fatwa against Christmas recently. He said no Christian in an islamic country must be allowed to celebrate Christmas. It would be haram and having a bad influence on Muslims.

So much for that. :roll:

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Dear member,
In regards of the matter above. Would you like me to attach the 2cubictonnes of report in this matters? For educational purpose ofcourse.
regards
ggk
No.
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[ggk]

Oh and as for religious discrimination...Yussuf al-Kardawi, the Islamic world's leading cleric, has issued a fatwa against Christmas recently. He said no Christian in an islamic country must be allowed to celebrate Christmas. It would be haram and having a bad influence on Muslims.

So much for that. :roll:

you have link on this? because AFAIK Yusuf al-Qaradawi are quite fair in his view.

"those people who live under the protection of an Islamic government enjoy special privileges. They are referred to as "the Protected People" (ahl al-dhimmah or dhimmies), meaning that Allah, His Messenger (peace be on him), and the community of Muslims have made a covenant with them that they may live in safety and security under the Islamic government. In modern terminology, dhimmies are "citizens" of the Islamic state. From the earliest period of Islam to the present day, Muslims are in unanimous agreement that they enjoy the same rights and carry the same responsibilities as Muslims themselves, while being free to practice their own faiths" YQ

[hulaku]

Apologists are working hard and spouting nonsense as usual.

[ggk]

Apologists are working hard and spouting nonsense as usual.

did i hear fart

[muck]

Spiegel.de (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,668258,00.html) (in German)


Fernsehprediger Jussuf al-Kardawi: Einflussreicher Gelehrter wettert gegen Weihnachten
Fatwa gegen das Weihnachtsfest: Ein erzkonservativer populärer Prediger hetzt gegen Christen und will ihnen das Feiern untersagen. Die islamischen Regierungen sind entsetzt bis pikiert, protestieren aber nicht - denn niemand wagt die direkte Konfrontation mit dem Idol der Massen.
The caption says that none of the governments in the Islamic world dare to contradict so far.

[martinexsquaddie]

hey uk the Ulster part at least can usually get on the scoreboard the scots try but there not really in the running.
re the jihadi attack on glasgow airport "OI al quadia don't try to bring religious war to scotland your 400 years too late and you hav'nt even got a football team :)

[ggk]

Spiegel.de (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,668258,00.html) (in German)

The caption says that none of the governments in the Islamic world dare to contradict so far.

oh this one. I think some miscommunication? he actually want to forbid muslims from celebrating christmas at their office...this is not aim at christians.

No islamic goverment protest because it was not aimed at the non muslims.

[Sootan]

And what's that got to do with religious discrimination in India, anyway?

[apadana]

People who say Iran is worse than India in terms of religious freedom are obviously clueless. I guess you guys don't read or watch the news because there have been many instances when Hindus burned down mosques,homes, and killed their opposed religion. Whereas in Iran the three main religions have coexisted for many years and are granted rights by the constitution. Muslim, Jews, Christian live side by side peacefully . Whereas in India and even Israel neighborhoods are segregated based on people's religion.

[JBH22]

People who say Iran is worse than India in terms of religious freedom are obviously clueless. I guess you guys don't read or watch the news because there have been many instances when Hindus burned down mosques,homes, and killed their opposed religion. Whereas in Iran the three main religions have coexisted for many years and are granted rights by the constitution. Muslim, Jews, Christian live side by side peacefully . Whereas in India and even Israel neighborhoods are segregated based on people's religion.

SO you must have read that in INDIA there were incidents where muslims burning hindus in trains in godhra and christian insulting hinduism in their brochures and books.
REligious violence works both ways in and don't feed me with the crap that there is a violence free multi religious society..

[hulaku]

People who say Iran is worse than India in terms of religious freedom are obviously clueless. I guess you guys don't read or watch the news because there have been many instances when Hindus burned down mosques,homes, and killed their opposed religion. Whereas in Iran the three main religions have coexisted for many years and are granted rights by the constitution. Muslim, Jews, Christian live side by side peacefully . Whereas in India and even Israel neighborhoods are segregated based on people's religion.

Quoted for sheer stupidity.

Gime my love to all the Mullahs who run your country.:)

[Creampuff]

Sorry to intrude guys! Imho give the rant section a rest tonight and spare a thought for all those that are far from home and whom, God forbid, may not see another Christmas, just a thought. apologies people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCxvCAxHRUw&feature=related

[Rapier55]

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8445/restrictionsgr02.gif
Global Restrictions on Religion (http://pewforum.org/newassets/images/reports/restrictions/restrictionsfullreport.pdf) Full Report

[dredger14]

People who say Iran is worse than India in terms of religious freedom are obviously clueless. I guess you guys don't read or watch the news because there have been many instances when Hindus burned down mosques,homes, and killed their opposed religion. Whereas in Iran the three main religions have coexisted for many years and are granted rights by the constitution. Muslim, Jews, Christian live side by side peacefully . Whereas in India and even Israel neighborhoods are segregated based on people's religion.
Muslims Christians and Jews live together "peacefully" in Iran(which btw is total BS) because they are "al-kithab", people not of the book,i.e non-Abrahamic like the original Persians(Zoroastrians) all fled to guess where??->India where they are easily the richest demographic group. Difference is-when the Iranians slaughtered their minorities there was no press, no reporters a hundred years ago.

Maybe India should kill all her minorities and deport/make the rest flee and put a bunch of saffron clad monks at the helm of state affairs only then will the comparison to your backward country be valid.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8445/restrictionsgr02.gif

No Saudi Arabia?? No other Arab countries except Egypt?? What a load of bollocks!! The only reason that there are more "social hostilities" in India is because there ARE people there to be hostile with--unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan where the minority groups are either minuscule or totally decimated.

What a BS report, today each one of these chipmunks has an agenda and flaunts it...

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People who say Iran is worse than India in terms of religious freedom are obviously clueless. I guess you guys don't read or watch the news because there have been many instances when Hindus burned down mosques,homes, and killed their opposed religion. Whereas in Iran the three main religions have coexisted for many years and are granted rights by the constitution. Muslim, Jews, Christian live side by side peacefully . Whereas in India and even Israel neighborhoods are segregated based on people's religion.

rofl There is a good reason why there are no communal riots in Iran, Saudi, Pakistan etc etc etc because there is zero diversity.......... Heck in these countries pious kill the less pious for not being pious enough.
We can take the religious riots and compare the figures.... India would be heaven compared to these "nations". :roll:
those idiots talking about religious restriction and using western metrics to evaluate should educated yourself before vomiting words on to keyboards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCIIsgBIlbc

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Muslims Christians and Jews live together "peacefully" in Iran(which btw is total BS) because they are "al-kithab", people not of the book,i.e non-Abrahamic like the original Persians(Zoroastrians) all fled to guess where??->India where they are easily the richest demographic group. Difference is-when the Iranians slaughtered their minorities there was no press, no reporters a hundred years ago.

Maybe India should kill all her minorities and deport/make the rest flee and put a bunch of saffron clad monks at the helm of state affairs only then will the comparison to your backward country be valid.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8445/restrictionsgr02.gif

No Saudi Arabia?? No other Arab countries except Egypt?? What a load of bollocks!! The only reason that there are more "social hostilities" in India is because there ARE people there to be hostile with--unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan where the minority groups are either minuscule or totally decimated.

What a BS report, today each one of these chipmunks has an agenda and flaunts it...

I question some of the nations and their spots.

[apadana]

rofl There is a good reason why there are no communal riots in Iran, Saudi, Pakistan etc etc etc because there is zero diversity.......... Heck in these countries pious kill the less pious for not being pious enough.
We can take the religious riots and compare the figures.... India would be heaven compared to these "nations". :roll:
those idiots talking about religious restriction and using western metrics to evaluate should educated yourself before vomiting words on to keyboards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCIIsgBIlbc

This post is a perfect example of why people shouldn't talk about subjects they are clueless about. Iran is one of the most diverse nations in the world, go look it up kid. There are Persians, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, baloch, armanians, Jews, gilaki, azari, mazandarani, zortash and more. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do some research before posting.

[apadana]

Muslims Christians and Jews live together "peacefully" in Iran(which btw is total BS) because they are "al-kithab", people not of the book,i.e non-Abrahamic like the original Persians(Zoroastrians) all fled to guess where??->India where they are easily the richest demographic group. Difference is-when the Iranians slaughtered their minorities there was no press, no reporters a hundred years ago.

Maybe India should kill all her minorities and deport/make the rest flee and put a bunch of saffron clad monks at the helm of state affairs only then will the comparison to your backward country be valid.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8445/restrictionsgr02.gif

No Saudi Arabia?? No other Arab countries except Egypt?? What a load of bollocks!! The only reason that there are more "social hostilities" in India is because there ARE people there to be hostile with--unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan where the minority groups are either minuscule or totally decimated.

What a BS report, today each one of these chipmunks has an agenda and flaunts it...

What a load of BS, the. "Original Persians " left for India. First of all those people who migrated to India are called Parsi and they are zortash. What makes them more "Persian" than the hundreds or thousands of Zortash who live freely in Iran? Let's take it further, what makes them more Persian than the 51% Persian population of Iran? People migrate just as few parsi's did to India. There are many ethnic groups who also migrated to Persia.

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This post is a perfect example of why people shouldn't talk about subjects they are clueless about. Iran is one of the most diverse nations in the world, go look it up kid. There are Persians, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, baloch, armanians, Jews, gilaki, azari, mazandarani, zortash and more. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do some research before posting.
Call bullsh!t on that one. Iran is an ISLAMIC republic period. Everyone else is subservient to state sponsored religion called islam. ;)
Show me a temple in Iran for that matter. Idol worshipping is forbidden..... of all the groups you mentioned how many are non muslim? yeah right .... trying to pass off ethnicities as separate religious entities does not count. Stop the obfuscation.
Heck Shiites and sunnis can't live in peace together in Iran, and you are talking about religious diversity. :roll:

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What a load of BS, the. "Original Persians " left for India. First of all those people who migrated to India are called Parsi and they are zortash. What makes them more "Persian" than the hundreds or thousands of Zortash who live freely in Iran? Let's take it further, what makes them more Persian than the 51% Persian population of Iran? People migrate just as few parsi's did to India. There are many ethnic groups who also migrated to Persia.
See my post above. Next time I meet a parsi in India I will ask them why their forefathers ran away from Iran, when it was peaceful and tolerant all along? :roll: ..... We are not talking about ethnicities here (which India beats anyone hollow in that area as well)...we are talking about religious pluralism which you will find absolutely nowhere in the planet.

[dredger14]

This post is a perfect example of why people shouldn't talk about subjects they are clueless about(look in a mirror). Iran is one of the most diverse nations in the world, go look it up kid. There are Persians, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, baloch, armanians, Jews, gilaki, azari, mazandarani, zortash and more. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do some research before posting.
LOL the vast majority of them belong to one religion still there are problems, and I am pretty sure those"minorities" are very keen on the Darth Vader Shiite Mullas.

What a load of BS, the. "Original Persians " left for India. First of all those people who migrated to India are called Parsi and they are zortash. What makes them more "Persian" than the hundreds or thousands of Zortash who live freely in Iran?(BS) Let's take it further, what makes them more Persian than the 51% Persian population of Iran? People migrate just as few parsi's did to India(pure uninformed BS). There are many ethnic groups who also migrated to Persia.
They migrated out why?? This was before the era of mass transport and asylum seekers.
They are "original Persians" because they still follow the creed of Zoroaster, Cyrus and Xerxes the true heroes of Pars, unlike the jackals that slaughtered, murdered and hunted them to extinction.
LOL at the hypocrites that find a crap movie like 300 offensive even though they hounded out every last trace of that great culture and are smug about it. The way that once great country has fallen from being led by giants to a rhesus faced anti-Semite is proof enough.

[apadana]

Call bullsh!t on that one. Iran is an ISLAMIC republic period. Everyone else is subservient to state sponsored religion called islam. ;)
Show me a temple in Iran for that matter. Idol worshipping is forbidden..... of all the groups you mentioned how many are non muslim? yeah right .... trying to pass off ethnicities as separate religious entities does not count. Stop the obfuscation.
Heck Shiites and sunnis can't live in peace together in Iran, and you are talking about religious diversity. :roll:

Another uneducated post. Zortash have temples, in fact their temples have fires that have burning for hundreds of years. I know this because I actually been to one and you can look it up online. Jews have synagogues and christians have churches . Like I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to do some research. And you should try to explain to your buddy that diversity just doesn't apply to religions, it also applies to ethnic groups.

[apadana]

See my post above. Next time I meet a parsi in India I will ask them why their forefathers ran away from Iran, when it was peaceful and tolerant all along? :roll: ..... We are not talking about ethnicities here (which India beats anyone hollow in that area as well)...we are talking about religious pluralism which you will find absolutely nowhere in the planet.
So diversity only applies to religions? Since when?

[pg_ord]

Another uneducated post. Zortash have temples, in fact their temples have fires that have burning for hundreds of years. I know this because I actually been to one and you can look it up online. Jews have synagogues and christians have churches . Like I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to do some research.

Yet over the years minorities have steadily decreased in Iran.
What research? Iranian constitution is not secular makes all other religions subservient to Islam. Minorities have zero say in the ruling government in Iran. It is led by only shiite ayotollahs, about sunnis less said the better and other minorities don't even bother.



And you should try to explain to your buddy that diversity just doesn't apply to religions, it also applies to ethnic groups.Next time don't try to explain diversity to an Indian. He/she will know the difference between religion (heck we even have scientologists with their churches p-)), ethnicities (India has the most diverse ethnic groupings in the world), languages (pity only 22 are official out of 1000s of them :roll:), tribes, race etc etc.

India has close to 2000 (not a typo) ethnic groups. Come to think of it Native speakers of my language Kannada are about 50 million (out of 1.2 billion people) more 60% population of Iran. This is a pissing contest I would gladly indulge in. :)

[dredger14]

After persecuting religious minorities, Indians mock them and tease girls.
http://www.youtube.com/v/aUPnwqkPXYc

[hulaku]

After persecuting religious minorities, Indians mock them and tease girls.


Savage Hindus. The whole lotp-)

[asch]

No Saudi Arabia?? No other Arab countries except Egypt?? What a load of bollocks!!
hey, the tab is from "low" to "very high" only. no "fu*kin unbelievably high", whrere you can place Saudis.p-)