Soviet perspective of the Eastern Front (Graphic Photos)

[b.scheller]

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[Bayonet]

Red Army.......I have no idea to evaluate it...

Our brothers and enemies.......

[J-10]

Awesome pics.

There were Seems 80% German soldiers died in Soviet Union.

[SFontaine]

Red Army.......I have no idea to evaluate it...

Our brothers and enemies.......

Good thing it's long since desolved then.

[hank]

Awesome pics.

There were Seems 80% German soldiers died in Soviet Union.

It was 87.4% actually. Good point.

hank

[Russian Texan]

Red Army.......I have no idea to evaluate it...

Our brothers and enemies.......

Why enemies?

[Ezra Coli]

Awesome pics, great photos, I haven't seen some of them before. Good variety of weapons too from Mosin Nagant 91/30, 1938, and 1944 to SVT-38 and 40 and sniper variations of each. Cool!

[Dennis G]

Great photos

[aartamen]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Is that body armor?


Few people realise the scope and the apocalyptic quality of the battles of the Eastern Front.

[Tengu]

VERY good pictures woot

[sgt.pepper]

Is that body armor? he he i was thinking the same thing, btw the pics are great

[Abbyy]

Unique photo. It is very beginning of war:
soldiers in old prewar helmets and uniforms.

http://www.saint-petersburg.com/images/history/siege_3.jpg

[Abbyy]

Nazis were in Moscow... as POWs

Captured German soldiers and officiers marching along Moscow streets.

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images02-russia4145/Russia1944-POW.jpg

[Abbyy]

Interesting. Did they really shot him down?

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images03-russia4145/(Trakhman)image39.JPG

[sgt.pepper]

http://www.saint-petersburg.com/images/history/siege_3.jpgthese helmets look like nazis

[sla8485]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/024.jpg


What weapon is this?

[easyand]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/024.jpg


What weapon is this?

I think a sort of anti tank rifle

[b.scheller]

It's a Degtyarev single-shot (PTRD) and yes as easy stated its a a.t weapon.

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bookshelf/weapons/pics/atr1.gif

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bookshelf/weapons/pics/atr3.jpg

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bookshelf/weapons/pics/atr4.jpg

Comparison of three of the A.T Rifles used by the Red Army

Parameter PTRD PTRS "Boyes" ATR1
Calibre, mm 14.5 14.5 13.97
Mass, kg 17.3 20.9 17.4
Length, mm 2000 2108 1626
Muzzle velocity, m/s 1012 1012 900
Effective range, m 600 1500 500
Magazine capacity n/a 5 5
Practical rate of fire (rds/min) 8-10 15 9-10

The rifle was very effective against light-armour vehicles (tanks, halftracks and other armoured personnel carriers) also against fortifications.

[Freibier]

Awesome Pics, thanks !

[coldman]

Good pictures.

Although more Russians died in the hands of their own leaders than in the hands of Germans. With your own machine guns firing at you if you retreat, it was no wonder Zhukov never lost a war....

[afrographX]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?

[RuSoKaR]

Although more Russians died in the hands of their own leaders than in the hands of Germans. With your own machine guns firing at you if you retreat, it was no wonder Zhukov never lost a war....

well Zhukov wasn't really a leader, but still he lost some battles :roll: , but they still won :P

Awesome picts btw! woot

[Lance Corporal]

Some nice pics. Although some of which was re-enacted for propaganda.

http://www.vor.ru/55/Photo_Exhibition/6-1big.jpg

What do you call this guys job in a mortar crew? I mean there is Loader, Mortar Leader etc..

[Bayonet]

Red Army.......I have no idea to evaluate it...

Our brothers and enemies.......

Why enemies?

In 1969, we had a fight with redarmy at our north border just for a small

island....After that we had a very bad relationship between China and

CCCP for 20 years and chinese government started to communicate

with the US... You dont know that??

[Maciek]

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images05-Zelma/stalingrad-zelma30b.jpg

why are they puting red stars on the plane ???
Propaganda photo of german ace pilot shot down ???

[Russian Texan]

I know all that, but what I am trying to say - we shouldn't be. Two nations can greatly benefit from each other if they play it out right.
I do have problem with what have happened in 1969, especially because of the mutilated bodies of soviet soldiers, but at the same time I respect Chinese for their hard work, dedication and history.


Some nice pics. Although some of which was re-enacted for propaganda.

Marines raising a flag at Iwo Jima was also re-enacted for propaganda, so PISS OFF!

http://www.iwojima.com/images/main_small.gif

[Russian Texan]

why are they puting red stars on the plane ???
Propaganda photo of german ace pilot shot down ???

Each star represents shot down enemy airplane. Kinda like a score card.

[Hellman109]

Some nice pics. Although some of which was re-enacted for propaganda.

http://www.vor.ru/55/Photo_Exhibition/6-1big.jpg

What do you call this guys job in a mortar crew? I mean there is Loader, Mortar Leader etc..

Aimer-er-er.......

Perhaps he's the leader lining up the shot, thats my guess :/

[mack pl]

why are they puting red stars on the plane ???
Propaganda photo of german ace pilot shot down ???

Each star represents shot down enemy airplane. Kinda like a score card.

RT, yes , you are right, but If its a Soviet airplane, it should be little nazi swastikas(sp.), not red stars....so, I think Maciek was talking about propaganda-"Hey, look, we shot down fukin german ace".... :roll:

:roll:

anyway, plenty of cool pics....

thx

regards

[Lance Corporal]

Aimer-er-er.......

Perhaps he's the leader lining up the shot, thats my guess :/

Might be. Also the Aimer might be the Mortar Leader.

[RuSoKaR]

Strange some people considering simple things as propaganda :cantbeli:

[Russian Texan]

RT, yes , you are right, but If its a Soviet airplane, it should be little nazi swastikas(sp.), not red stars....so, I think Maciek was talking about propaganda-"Hey, look, we shot down fukin german ace"....

What do you think Luftwaffe was painting on the sides of their airplanes for each scored victory against Soviets? Ever seen German airplanes with swastikas on a side?

It has always been a "red star", think of it as a medal, means of showing off, pride in personal achievement. It's like American bombers had a bomb painted on a side for each raid they have done.

[Bayonet]

I know all that, but what I am trying to say - we shouldn't be. Two nations can greatly benefit from each other if they play it out right.
I do have problem with what have happened in 1969, especially because of the mutilated bodies of soviet soldiers, but at the same time I respect Chinese for their hard work, dedication and history.


Comrade... :D I dont mean once we were enemy, we will be enemy forever......Now we are close friendes...
I heard of that some bodies of soviet soldiers were mutilated by some chinese soldiers...I shoud appologize for these...but you know it happened in the battlefield and those chinese soldiers did that because they lost their close friends....Sorry my friend....Sorry.......

I respect soviet soldiers ,I respect all soldiers died in the war for their motherland....(exclude japs who killed women ,children and wounded soldiers)

I like russian buildings(Red Squre attract me most) and music :hug: ....I'd like to have a travel to Moscow,but my friends told me that Moscow is very dangerous, full of gangs and thieves..
Is that true?

I like your president Putin....A REAL MAN!!!

[mack pl]

RT, we don't undarstand eachother.... :(

Soviet pilots obviously had different tradition, coz polish fighter pilots after shot down german airplane were painted nazi swastika sign.....thats the point.....so, soviets painted red star, and we painted swastika-2 different traditions.....

sorry for gramma...

regards

[Russian Texan]

Bayonet, thank you very much for your words of kindness.

I just hope history will never repeat itself with our two countries, China and Russia need to stick together. Even the best neighbors/friends can have arguments but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies.

Chinese history spreads over more than 4000 years, a facinating and an admirable fact. Chinese achievements and inventions are numerous, truly a Great Nation.

As for traveling to Moscow, you friend is right - crime is there, but no more so than in any large city, so as long as you follow common sense, you should be fine.
Dealing with crime and criminals is the area where Russia can definitely learn from China. Chineese justice is very swift, brutal but effective.

I am also very glad that Chineese understand Russian cause in Chechnya, thank you very much for your support.

Have a Great day.

[Russian Texan]

RT, we don't undarstand eachother.... :(


You see, that's how problems start - "we don't understand eash other"...
I am telling you, it is all about communication, keep the channels open, keep the mind open and we will be fine.

[mack pl]

RT, we don't undarstand eachother.... :(


You see, that's how problems start - "we don't understand each other"...
I am telling you, it is all about communication, keep the channels open, keep the mind open and we will be fine.

Roger that.

Over.

;)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Good pictures.

Although more Russians died in the hands of their own leaders than in the hands of Germans. With your own machine guns firing at you if you retreat, it was no wonder Zhukov never lost a war....

"Enemy at the gates" movie isn't a a good source of historical knowledge.

[Bayonet]

Bayonet, thank you very much for your words of kindness.

I just hope history will never repeat itself with our two countries, China and Russia need to stick together. Even the best neighbors/friends can have arguments but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies.

Chinese history spreads over more than 4000 years, a facinating and an admirable fact. Chinese achievements and inventions are numerous, truly a Great Nation.

As for traveling to Moscow, you friend is right - crime is there, but no more so than in any large city, so as long as you follow common sense, you should be fine.
Dealing with crime and criminals is the area where Russia can definitely learn from China. Chineese justice is very swift, brutal but effective.

I am also very glad that Chineese understand Russian cause in Chechnya, thank you very much for your support.

Have a Great day.

You are welcome brother.

You russian people help us a lot.

AKs, Su-27, Su-30, KILO, and this onehttp://mil.jschina.com.cn/bwl/military/navy/sov/xd01_1.jpg
and many tanks......

Lets creat a new history between our 2 great nations in the future...


One question: some media in China said that Russia will sold the North 4 Islands(I dont know how do you russian people call it) to japs....Is that true? What do most russian people think about these islands?

[Russian Texan]

One question: some media in China said that Russia will sold the North 4 Islands(I dont know how do you russian people call it) to japs....Is that true? What do most russian people think about these islands?

There is some speculation in some Russian media that it might happen some time in a future but no official information about it yet.

Those are small, very small, islands that are used to be japanese before it attacked USSR. Russia has no use to them and no one lives there (pretty much we are talking about naked rocks, volcanic ash and and nothing else).

If japanese are willing to pay for it, I don't see what's a big deal about it.

[aartamen]

"Enemy at the gates" movie isn't a a good source of historical knowledge.

The book (by the same name) is a lot better. Especially since it talks about the whole battle not just a small and relatively insignificant episode in it. I read it overnight, and the thing is very thick. However the use of the blocking detachments is well documented. What's being disputed is how widely they were used and whether they were in any way instrumental in winning battles. According to the Russians' own records the NKVD troops executed thousands of "deserters" in 1941. The individual circumstances of those executions are unknown to me.

One anecdotal report forever will signify for me the reality of the Eastern Front. I do not remember where it happened or when but there was a hill that both sides wanted to possess. It had at most some tactical importance. Today it's impossible to tell how many times that summit changed hands. Nobody who participated in the first N attacks survived. For some reason it just blows my mind.

[khukuri]

WOW that was some goooood images.


The guys with the "body armour" look like flame throwers. Maybe its a flamthrower protection kit.

just a guess

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

"Enemy at the gates" movie isn't a a good source of historical knowledge.

The book (by the same name) is a lot better. Especially since it talks about the whole battle not just a small and relatively insignificant episode in it. I read it overnight, and the thing is very thick. However the use of the blocking detachments is well documented. What's being disputed is how widely they were used and whether they were in any way instrumental in winning battles. According to the Russians' own records the NKVD troops executed thousands of "deserters" in 1941. The individual circumstances of those executions are unknown to me.

First- I'm not denying the existance of these executions and Siberia deportations.
Most of them taken place in 1941, but when RA started the offensives, scale of these executions was reduced.
There wasn't any dramatical defence to the last man, so there was no need for such actions. Soldiers who were disobeying their orders were much more probably arrested and punished by NKVD (or MP) squads, but not shot with their own MGs placed in the 2nd line.

[aartamen]

Something I forgot to mention. Stalin issued a directive that absolutely forbade any retreat under any circumstances. Any talk of abandoning position was punishable by death. Hence the blocking detachments and executions by the NKVD. Anyone who knows anything about warfare will tell you that that is almost never a good idea. The exception is probably the Japanese on the Pacific Islands. They had nowhere to withdraw and no hope of fighting another day. As the result of this just one of the brilliant Stalin's strategies huge numbers of Soviet troops fought were they stood with no chance of reinfocements or resupply. When they ran out of ammunition they were either wiped out or surrendered. In addition, since they knew that if they withdrew they would be dealt with rather harshly, their choice was either death or surrender right from the first contact. The fact that few of them had much love for Stalin and Communists made the choice easy. I've seen numbers from 3 million to 6 that surrendered. Few of them outlived the war, which is ironic in a horrible way.
The draconian policy on retreats was later abandoned. But it was never a good idea to get on Stalin's bad side, so the commanders where rather frivolous with the lives of their men to achieve objectives.

[aartamen]

First- I'm not denying the existance of these executions and Siberia deportations.
Most of them taken place in 1941, but when RA started the offensives, scale of these executions was reduced.

As a matter of fact I do not recollect any mention of these tactics in the book. At least any mention that stuck in my memory. The author might have discussed them as the background of some characters.

[Sayeret]

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/pictures/kursk_20.jpg

Awesome picture.

[LeMat]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Is that body armor?


Few people realise the scope and the apocalyptic quality of the battles of the Eastern Front.

Yes. Russians guards infantry were using body armors. Made from steel like in helmet could stop pistol bullet.

[CRAZY MERC]

I bet this armor was really heavy. Good pictures.

[StukaJr]

http://www.interet-general.info/IMG/ww2-98.jpg

Germans... Still a rare pic of course - forgot the name of the artilery piece.

[bas]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Is that body armor?


Few people realise the scope and the apocalyptic quality of the battles of the Eastern Front.

Yes. Russians guards infantry were using body armors. Made from steel like in helmet could stop pistol bullet.

They're not regular infantry but Engineers. Also the Guards title was bistowed on any comabt unit that performed with distinction.

[bas]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?

That soldier is armed with a DP-27, probably one of the best LMGs of the war (next to the bren). The pose is probably for propaganda purposes, it is unlikely that you would get such a clear picture if the unit was under air attack.

[Nikolas]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?

That soldier is armed with a DP-27, probably one of the best LMGs of the war (next to the bren). The pose is probably for propaganda purposes, it is unlikely that you would get such a clear picture if the unit was under air attack.

Against some planes it was effective.

[Raistlin]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Both a bullet proof vest and a camo suit on a WW2 Soviet soldier? That's certainly a rare picture.

[b.scheller]

ah now that i look at it, its a reenactment game by a group of enthusiasts...sorry for posting this. I didnt realize until now...anyway thanks for pointing it out guys, and raistlin...

[Raistlin]

What? I never said the picture is not authentic. It very well could be. I just don't know. But I know that if it is authentic, it's rare.

[Fulix]

What? I never said the picture is not authentic. It very well could be. I just don't know. But I know that if it is authentic, it's rare.
I dont... and they are real. These guys are building raiders in Stalingrad, when the soviets began to apply a technique of storming buildings occupeid by germans, using small grups of soldiers well armed.
About the "armor" vest. It was useless as bullet proof... the used to stop sharpnels (i can imqagine how massy would be in the midlle of these raids with grenades flying all over!!)

(sorry about the bad english... :oops: )

Cheers

[bas]

What? I never said the picture is not authentic. It very well could be. I just don't know. But I know that if it is authentic, it's rare.
I dont... and they are real. These guys are building raiders in Stalingrad, when the soviets began to apply a technique of storming buildings occupeid by germans, using small grups of soldiers well armed.
About the "armor" vest. It was useless as bullet proof... the used to stop sharpnels (i can imqagine how massy would be in the midlle of these raids with grenades flying all over!!)

(sorry about the bad english... :oops: )

Cheers

Agreed, I've seen that picture before and others of Soviet troops with that style of body armour. There is nothing to suggest that it's not a genuine period photo.

Also I have a suit of that camo in my collection that is dated 1941:
http://www.gunpics.net/images/scout1.jpg

[bas]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?

That soldier is armed with a DP-27, probably one of the best LMGs of the war (next to the bren). The pose is probably for propaganda purposes, it is unlikely that you would get such a clear picture if the unit was under air attack.

Against some planes it was effective.

Only if they were on the ground ;) Even the MG-34 with a higher rate of fire and dedicated AA tripod was considered in-effective against aircraft.

Also a dead give away that this is a posed picture is that the bolt on the DP-27 is forward (as evident from the forward position of the cocking handle) i.e. the weapon is not cocked.

[Raistlin]

http://www.vor.ru/55/Photo_Exhibition/6-1big.jpg

What do you call this guys job in a mortar crew? I mean there is Loader, Mortar Leader etc..
My dad says he's the "gunlayer" (navodchik).

[The Clip]

Awesome pics.

There were Seems 80% German soldiers died in Soviet Union.

It was 87.4% actually. Good point.

hank

good point too, it was 90.1% great point.

[coldman]

I just hope history will never repeat itself with our two countries, China and Russia need to stick together. Even the best neighbors/friends can have arguments but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies.

Chinese history spreads over more than 4000 years, a facinating and an admirable fact. Chinese achievements and inventions are numerous, truly a Great Nation.

As for traveling to Moscow, you friend is right - crime is there, but no more so than in any large city, so as long as you follow common sense, you should be fine.
Dealing with crime and criminals is the area where Russia can definitely learn from China. Chineese justice is very swift, brutal but effective.

I am also very glad that Chineese understand Russian cause in Chechnya, thank you very much for your support.

Have a Great day.

You are welcome brother.

You russian people help us a lot.


Lets creat a new history between our 2 great nations in the future...


Russia is helping China because she needs money from selling arms. Russia doesn't trust China, and neither should China trust Russia. How many acres of land has China lost because of Russia? Mongolia, the Sakhalin island, area north of Amur River.....

Personally I wouldn't want to see either of these two nations with no history and understanding of freedom and respect for human rights "triumph" in this world. If they do, then woe to all the freedom loving people.....

[Abbyy]

Russia is helping China because she needs money from selling arms. Russia doesn't trust China, and neither should China trust Russia. How many acres of land has China lost because of Russia? Mongolia, the Sakhalin island, area north of Amur River.....

Personally I wouldn't want to see either of these two nations with no history and understanding of freedom and respect for human rights "triumph" in this world. If they do, then woe to all the freedom loving people.....

I recomend you to start such topic in General Discussions. Not here. First of all it is inflamatory message. And at second you'll get better responses.

Better to stay on course of WW2 discussion.

[perdurabo]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?

That soldier is armed with a DP-27, probably one of the best LMGs of the war (next to the bren). The pose is probably for propaganda purposes, it is unlikely that you would get such a clear picture if the unit was under air attack.
i wouldnt say that it was one of the best bren, german MG, and few others where better, plate mag caused wery bad handling espetially in stand position you had to use special belt, plate mags where hard to carry and use i would say OK weapon with meany - but with few + too.

[Russian Texan]

i wouldnt say that it was one of the best bren, german MG, and few others where better, plate mag caused wery bad handling espetially in stand position you had to use special belt, plate mags where hard to carry and use i would say OK weapon with meany - but with few + too.

Perdorado, dude, did you ever DP 27, did you use it in combat, did you try out every WW2 light machine gun? NO? So why are you making statements like that?
Personally, I know nothing about this gun and that is why I keep my mouth shut, you should try it sometimes too...geeeez :cantbeli:

[Herrmannek]

i wouldnt say that it was one of the best bren, german MG, and few others where better, plate mag caused wery bad handling espetially in stand position you had to use special belt, plate mags where hard to carry and use i would say OK weapon with meany - but with few + too.

Perdorado, dude, did you ever DP 27, did you use it in combat, did you try out every WW2 light machine gun? NO? So why are you making statements like that?
Personally, I know nothing about this gun and that is why I keep my mouth shut, you should try it sometimes too...geeeez :cantbeli:
Don't want to burst your buble but if that gun was so good why mg is used around the world today and DP is not ussed even in russian army?

[Russian Texan]

For those who have hard time understanding, let me repeat again

Personally, I know nothing about this gun and that is why I keep my mouth shut
I do not know anything about this machine gun and I don't care whether it was the best or the ****tiest, what I care about is the amount of "experts", wannabes and teens with no life ruining this forum with their "opinions".


Don't want to burst your buble but if that gun was so good why mg is used around the world today and DP is not ussed even in russian army?
Hermanek, think about it, think hard: DP 27, 27, 2 7, it is 2004 now.....

[Herrmannek]

For those who have hard time understanding, let me repeat again

Personally, I know nothing about this gun and that is why I keep my mouth shut
I do not know anything about this machine gun and I don't care whether it was the best or the ****tiest, what I care about is the amount of "experts", wannabes and teens with no life ruining this forum with their "opinions".
For those who have hard time understanding, there are other way to know if construction is good than striping and shooting it... Call it Six Sense... :)

[Herrmannek]

Hermanek, think about it, think hard: DP 27, 27, 2 7, it is 2004 now.....

Colt is 1911->1911 -> 11 its now 2004... and you know what its still kikin...

[Russian Texan]

For those who have hard time understanding, let me repeat again

Personally, I know nothing about this gun and that is why I keep my mouth shut
I do not know anything about this machine gun and I don't care whether it was the best or the ****tiest, what I care about is the amount of "experts", wannabes and teens with no life ruining this forum with their "opinions".
For those who have hard time understanding, there are other way to know if construction is good than striping and shooting it... Call it Six Sense... :)

I'll just call it "wannabism" ;)

[Herrmannek]

I'll just call it "wannabism" ;)
I don't deny :) you are partialy right...

[aartamen]

DP was popular with the SOG's. The cut off the barrel at the gas port and lined the disk with some felt, so it would stop clattering like a tin coin bank. They loved the resulting weapon.

[Russian Texan]

Hermanek, think about it, think hard: DP 27, 27, 2 7, it is 2004 now.....

Colt is 1911->1911 -> 11 its now 2004... and you know what its still kikin...

Kicking where, in the US army?

So you are trying to say that if they weapon is good - all of the further R&D should stop? According to what you are saying we still be running around with swords and bows, although very good ones...

Here is a page long of Russian machine guns since DP 27
http://russianarms.info/rushtm/veapons/pulemet/indexpulem.htm

[Herrmannek]

Kicking where, in the US army?

So you are trying to say that if they weapon is good - all of the further R&D should stop? According to what you are saying we still be running around with swords and bows, although very good ones...

You changed topic and how I can not agree with you if all what you said above is true. but we were talking about different things. Its to hot in Poland for flame war... so I repeat myself: I said there where guns at the time that are good enough to serve in army now. But DP is not one of them... This proves it wasn't best gun of WWII era . STOP

[Russian Texan]

I said there where guns at the time that are good enough to serve in army now.


Like which ones(same category please)?

P.S. it is not a flame, more like an argumentative conversation :)

Btw, Maxim machine gun was the best one in its era, so how come it is not being used anymore or it wasn't the best of its time? (just trying to follow your logic)

[Herrmannek]

I said there where guns at the time that are good enough to serve in army now.


Like which ones(same category please)?

P.S. it is not a flame, more like an argumentative conversation :)

For example
http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg08-e.htm

OK for tears drying
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-807972.jpg?size=67&uid={0d260d16-d461-4a9a-84e5-28ee58b1c25b}

[Russian Texan]

So DP 27 is being used somewhere?

[Herrmannek]

So DP 27 is being used somewhere?

Yes by suicides :)

[Russian Texan]

So DP 27 is being used somewhere?

Yes by suicides :)

Or may be just by those who want a cheap, if not free, reliable weapon? ;)


You see, we can have a normal conversation.

[perdurabo]

R-T i dint said that is is ****ty weapon i said that it has its pros and cons and there where better designs Bren german MGs.

[Herrmannek]

So DP 27 is being used somewhere?

Yes by suicides :)

Or may be just by those who want a cheap, if not free, reliable weapon? ;)


but if someone wants superior firepower he knoks wrong door :)

[bas]

R-T i dint said that is is ****ty weapon i said that it has its pros and cons and there where better designs Bren german MGs.

MG-42 is by far a better weapon I agree, which is why I qualified that it was one of the best Light Machineguns of WWII. The MG-34/MG42 series of weapon are General Purpose Machineguns.

Also the DP series of weapon Served the Russian Army well into the 1960's.

[RomanS]

Yeah, I got something better

7,62x54R

tell me about this cartridge, and the history. Especially when was it made, and where can you see it today in use?
The German MG wasnt even a sperm back than.

[ArtofPain]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Is that body armor?


Few people realise the scope and the apocalyptic quality of the battles of the Eastern Front.
Yes this is body armour. It was supplied since 1942. Steel plate was about 5mm, it can hold bullet from MP40 in 50 meters

[ArtofPain]

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/027.jpg

lol is this russian AA. how effective was it? did they actually shot some planes down?
They shoot down about 200 planes with their DPs, PTRDs and rifles! :P

[ArtofPain]

So DP 27 is being used somewhere?
Yes. I was lucky enough to shoot out some WW2 weapons! DP-27, MGs 34 and 42, Bren, Maxim, MP40, PPSh, PPS, Mauser98, Mosin. DP isn't bad!

http://www.battlefield.ru/photoalbum/photos/046.jpg
Wow! It's really cool! German WW1 MG08/15 LMG!!!

[Viktor_s]

http://www.katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images-stalingrad/stalingrad-sturm.jpg

Is that body armor?


Few people realise the scope and the apocalyptic quality of the battles of the Eastern Front.
Yes this is body armour. It was supplied since 1942. Steel plate was about 5mm, it can hold bullet from MP40 in 50 meters

Just to add:

Yes this is a true picture, and solders are the storm troops used extensively from Stalingrad battle (lots of heavy house-to-house, floor-to-floor fighting). They were nicknamed "pantsirniki" because of that armour. These units were equipped with the wall climbing gear to allow the stoops to flash the Germans from the top floor down.

[RR_Kopf]

There is some speculation in some Russian media that it might happen some time in a future but no official information about it yet.

Those are small, very small, islands that are used to be japanese before it attacked USSR. Russia has no use to them and no one lives there (pretty much we are talking about naked rocks, volcanic ash and and nothing else).

If japanese are willing to pay for it, I don't see what's a big deal about it.

It is not very true. These four islands are nearly largest in the Kuril island chain. Some 40000 people are living there. Sure it is far away from the mainland and government do not realy care about them. What Japan is fighting for is those island's territorial waters full of crabs, fish, squids and etc. Btw it produces over 20% of Russian fishing income. 80% of Russian red caviar (Salmon) is originated from there.

History of Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai belongs to Russian Kozaks. They were discovered in the 18th century and declared as territory of Russian Empire, when Japan was closed country. Japan in its turn took it from Russia in the year 1905 after it won the war. Also they took half of Sakhalin island. USSR returned it back in August 1945.

Any questions? ;)