Bowman PRR

[thesystem]

Hello folks, got a question about the PRR

I was searching on Ebay for a complete prr....to expensive, so i found all kinda parts.
What is all needed to get a fully functional one?
The body, headset, ptt buttons and antenna? Is that enough to get a full working one?

Kind Regards

[scttgillies]

Buy any of that and you'll set yourself up for a visit by the rmp

[The Dane]

What will you use it for??

[thesystem]

rmp?

Well, i'm myself in the service (not UK) and since we dont have enough of them me and a mcouple of other guys wanna buy one our selfs...because they are very handy!

So i just wanna use them for short range comms...

[happyslapper]

rmp?

Well, i'm myself in the service (not UK) and since we dont have enough of them me and a mcouple of other guys wanna buy one our selfs...because they are very handy!

So i just wanna use them for short range comms...

Royal Military Police.


If you need comms, speak to the appropriate person in your unit.
Buying/selling secure military comms equipment is illegal.

[thesystem]

The problem is, then we get big, bulky porto's....and they suck. But yeah....thanks for the info....no so good idea to buy them then ;)

Thread can be closed!

[G2Monkey]

Royal Military Police.


If you need comms, speak to the appropriate person in your unit.
Buying/selling secure military comms equipment is illegal.

Most PRRs aren't secure, only some of the new ones on Herrick are secure.. and I'd very much hope none of them would find their way onto eBay.. that and to use them you'd need the fill guns etc.

But yeah.. why on earth would you want to buy a PRR?? Try shouting, it's an excellent method of short range comms.

[Greek soldier]

Were I in the military, I would definitely go through my unit. In some cases you even get a discount depending on the number of units purchased.

[PathFindeR[BE]]

But yeah.. why on earth would you want to buy a PRR?? Try shouting, it's an excellent method of short range comms.
i lol'ed !

[StuRat]

But yeah.. why on earth would you want to buy a PRR?? Try shouting, it's an excellent method of short range comms.

Except for night deliberate deploying of the guns p-)

[rhino]

Except for night deliberate deploying of the guns p-)

thats when you switch to "wisper" dagh

[Bisley_Bob]

You can buy Motorola type civilian hand-held radios much more easily than PRRs, you can probably fit a headset to them as well.

[oldsoak]

Two things

1- If you are in the military, dont provide your own comms kit - you will get in a world of pain and in anycase you will have to clear its use through your superiors.

2 - Use what the military give you. If there isnt enough to go around....then there isnt enough to go around.

[StuRat]

thats when you switch to "wisper" dagh

Sucks when you're the last one in the line and get picked to run to the CP to get the info. I fell in a hole last time :)

[goose36]

[QUOTE=G2Monkey;4657933]Most PRRs aren't secure, only some of the new ones on Herrick are secure.. and I'd very much hope none of them would find their way onto eBay.. that and to use them you'd need the fill guns etc.




then dont bloody talk about them then!!

[Balnk]

What is it that makes them illegal to own? I know several people that own Selex 'bowman' type radios that were purchased not through ebay, but through Selex directly. Why is it illegal to own them in UK? Is it the 2.4ghtz that makes them illegal?

An example here is the MBITR. You can purchase, and own, these radios in the US. They are available on the web; you just have to fork out $8000, but they are legal.

[Dave242]

Right frist of all they have sod all to do with Bowman. Secondly as Balnk said you can buy them through Selex, and i know that a few years ago that http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/ were selling them.

And Balnk it is not illegal to own a 2.4ghtz Radios over here

Dave

[oldsoak]

@Dave - in the UK, 2.4ghz is smack in the band allocated for government use only.

( its 2.350-2.4890 ) - so you cant play with it.

[Dave242]

@Dave - in the UK, 2.4ghz is smack in the band allocated for government use only.

( its 2.350-2.4890 ) - so you cant play with it.


I use the following for work http://www.nicomm.co.uk/Two-Way-Radios/Heavy-Duty/sc1376/p2676.aspx in the 2.4 GHz ISM License Free Band

Dave

[Ubar]

Wifi uses 2.4ghz also, which is very common and non illegal

[Balnk]

So I guess there is some confusion about the legality of using Selex's H4855.

Maybe it's legal to 'use' them, but not legal to own?

[Scorchio]

I doubt it's illegal to own one either.

It's merely the fact that if it's on ebay; the RMP will suspect it's been nicked from the MoD, like the majority of Mk.6A helmets and Osprey Assault body armour sets that appear on ebay, and will probably investigate where it came from. The RMP's cracking down massively on the sale of currently issued kit that should be in the hands of those serving, because the MoD loses millions through having to replace stolen goods.

That's not to say there aren't legit PRR sets that you can get as a civvy; you just have to be very careful about where you're getting it from. Though personally, if you do think it's worth buying one I think you have more money than sense.

[G2Monkey]

I doubt it's illegal to own one either.

It's merely the fact that if it's on ebay; the RMP will suspect it's been nicked from the MoD, like the majority of Mk.6A helmets and Osprey Assault body armour sets that appear on ebay, and will probably investigate where it came from. The RMP's cracking down massively on the sale of currently issued kit that should be in the hands of those serving, because the MoD loses millions through having to replace stolen goods.

That's not to say there aren't legit PRR sets that you can get as a civvy; you just have to be very careful about where you're getting it from. Though personally, if you do think it's worth buying one I think you have more money than sense.

My bold, you think the RMP actually have the time or the inclination to chase up all the kit for sale on eBay?

[Scorchio]

Not all of it.

I'll be buggered if they'll come after all these blokes selling "Genuine desert DPM smock XXL SAS PARA... walt", but I know they have checked ups on things like vehicle spares, helmets, body armour, SUSATs etc and seized them where necessary.

I've known of enough blokes over the years who've been caught auctioning stuff like CVR(t) dampers and and Warrior track links that they've nicked from my workplace. There was a bloke on here a few weeks ago whinging about the RMP seizing an AC900 helmet that he'd bought on ebay because they believed it was one of the new Mk.7 lids.

I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that they'll knock on the door of the seller or buyer of an expensive bit of issued kit like a PRR, just in case.

[Hollos]

My bold, you think the RMP actually have the time or the inclination to chase up all the kit for sale on eBay?Yep they do and will charge u if u are in the military or get the civvie old bill involved, ive been on a number of briefs by a certain government agency about PRR on sale and who buys them and its not usually a civvie

[Dave242]

A bit about the Selex H4855

Specifications:
Frequency Coverage: 2,400 - 2483 MHz, 256 Channels available But only 16 directly available to the user
Modulation: QPSK (Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum)
Voice Coding: CVSD (Continuously variable slope delta modulation)
Data Protocol: Modified IEEE 802.11
RF Power Output: 100 mW
Range: 500 meters (Rural Terrain) transmission through up to three floors (Urban Terrain)
Power Requirements: 2 AA primary cells provide typically 24 hour use
Weighs: 1.5 kg
128 Bit Unique Coding

Dave

[Straker]

From my limited understanding of them (we evaluated them at work but couldn't afford enough of them to go through with the purchase) they work on the same principle as a Wi-Fi network and on the same frequencies and thus wouldn't require a license in the UK.

The different channels are done digitally not through frequencies. Also how it allows a set to be used for rebroadcast.

[oldsoak]

I use the following for work http://www.nicomm.co.uk/Two-Way-Radios/Heavy-Duty/sc1376/p2676.aspx in the 2.4 GHz ISM License Free Band

Dave

Curious. This is where it gets fun -

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/isu/ukfat/ukfat08.pdf

2310-2450 MHz – MoD (for the Fixed, Mobile and
Radiolocation services) and Ofcom (for the
Amateur and Amateur-Satellite service

- and then promptly says

2400·0–2483∙5 MHz – Ofcom (for Short Range
Devices operating to ERC Recommendation T/R
70-03 and NIB/NP to other users).

...scratches head...

[martinexsquaddie]

you can own them legally but if they are brought off ebay may or may not be legal.
rmp turn up there walking off with your kit unless you have a lawyer present.
face it there MP's there not that bright.
being arrested for being awol

[Chris1012]

Curious. This is where it gets fun -

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/isu/ukfat/ukfat08.pdf

2310-2450 MHz – MoD (for the Fixed, Mobile and
Radiolocation services) and Ofcom (for the
Amateur and Amateur-Satellite service

- and then promptly says

2400·0–2483∙5 MHz – Ofcom (for Short Range
Devices operating to ERC Recommendation T/R
70-03 and NIB/NP to other users).

...scratches head...
The ISM band can be used at low power without a license; the catch is you cannot cause interference (which any transmission is) for licensed users. (I'd actually doubt there are many 'licensed users')
The 2.4 band is also international; use a UK legal 446 band radio in the US and you get in trouble, use a US legal radio in the UK and you get in trouble. use a 2.4 band at low power without disrupting licensed users and you should be fine.
This is kind of why 2.4 is so popular for wireless LAN's, as it is reserved there shouldn't be much interference (resulting in a low packet loss, critical for data communication)
The question is does the PRR count as low power? a UK legal PMR is limited to half a watt, according to Dave's info PRR's produce 100 mW?

[Balnk]

I think older, first generation, H4855 produce 100mW, but current units produce 500mW. This is my understanding, could be wrong.

[Dave242]

I think older, first generation, H4855 produce 100mW, but current units produce 500mW. This is my understanding, could be wrong.

My understanding is when they frist came out they were produceing 50Mw and have since been tweak up to 100Mw

Dave

[Bohemoth]

Here is a fully functional replica of the Bowman PRR, complete with headset, remote PTT and pouch for just US$130:

Link:
http://www.px-airsoft.com/showroom/model/T0002/templateProductDetails.do?webId=1213907847691&editCurrentLanguage=1213907847692&module=SearchProduct&keyWords=prr&currentPage=1&ParentId=1214745887149&productId=1256673842921006690

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