Gazprom do not want to pay its debts.

[Eye]

Google translation:

80 million dollars is the amount of claims that Russian company Gazprom owes EuRoPol Gaz company for gas transit through Poland. Do not want to pay, and Treasury Secretary does not agree to new concessions - tells Rzeczpospolita.

It is this problem caused the Chancellor of the Exchequer negatively assessed the gas agreement, agreed by representatives of the ministry of economy in December in Moscow.


The heads of Gazprom and PGNiG are the EuRoPol Gas claims to speak only in mid-January. If the January meeting has no effect, then the problem will have to be addressed once again the representatives of governments of both countries.

The information "Rom" that the chances of resolving the problem are small, because the Russian side categorically stated that it would not pay.
link (http://biznes.interia.pl/gieldy/news/rosjanie-nie-chca-placic-za-tranzyt-przez-polske,1417570,3128)

[smile]

Gazprom doent pay debts...

This is not true. This is the coclussion of some trainees which doent know the prehistory of many things.

Fist of all, Europol is something different, it is some kiind of policy in the EU-energy-charta.
Good thing, that they claimed gas company. Europol Gaz is joint-venture operator about Yamal-Europe gas pipeline between GazProm Export and polish gas monopolist PGNiG with both 48 percent, the rest have Gas Trading concern. This is gas concern which PGNiG belongs to 43 percent at the moment, GazProm with 16 percent and 35 percent to one private concern Bartimpex. Bartimpexis owned by polish oligarch Aleksander Gudzowaty. Thereby polish monopolist PGNiG have more than 50 percent. So PGNIG has indirectly further percents of the shares of Europol Gaz, even more than 50.

Second, the whole last months Poland claimed that they doent have enough gas. Conclusion, new extendtion to the gas contract.
Russia annually supplies 8.2 billion cubic meters of gas to Poland. Poland consumes 14 billion cu m annually, covering a third of the consumption with its own resources. Over 80% of the gas bought by Poland comes from Russia. The rest comes with own rescources or export from Germany (russian gas from Germany, to make Poland more independent). Poland gas contract goes to 2037.
Now they grumped that they get not the whole money, great policy. Policy to make better contract at the end of the year. Many countries make contracts in the summer (nearly all, exception are G6 members and other who like comedy and theatre, P and UA), you have lower prices ind the summer and so on. But this is common strategy to be bitchy in last moment before contract.

The main problem of this hint, let us name this hint, doent mentioned that Poland is threatened from a lack of gas in this winter. And therefore it consented after ten-year negotiations, Gazproms portion of Europolgaz, the operator of the Jamal Europe pipeline to increase from 48 to 50 percent. First time balance on the bargaining table, both sites, strange situation for someone who never have equal partners. At the moment they have tariff negotiation. No surprise about such topics from polish press, they can surely cant it better, after years of common strategy.

[Derbedeu]

80 million sounds like a pittance to a company of Gazprom's caliber.

[daily666]

Like smile said. EuroPolGaz is a company co-owned indirectly by the Polish oligarch Aleksander Gudzowaty. When Putin was in Poland back in September he said it straight during a press conference that he'd like to get rid of the "private element" within the Gas relations between Poland and Russia referring to the Aleksander Gudzowaty. Gazprom like PGNiG are both 100% state owned companies and both have shares in EuroPolGaz.

Now the funny part. Gazprom has said the deal is done and negiations are over, and even held a huge gala in the National Theatre in Warsaw. The Polish Ministry of Economy also said the deal is done on behalf of the Russian and Polish states. Today this news comes that Polish Ministry of Treasury (direct shareholder of PGNiG on behalf of Polish state) has a missing 80mln owed by Gazprom to it's "grandson" company. Seriously- Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

@smile: there is no danger of stopping gas deliveries or even a dispute. The old deal named a price formula and the amount of natural gas transported to Poland and won't terminate tomorrow (31st of December 2009).

Your comparison of Poland to Ukraine is much exaggerated- Poland never made problems with payments for the gas to Gazprom, a fact underlined even by Gazprom and Russian state officials.

[Seek]

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Gerd, bist du es? rofl

I didn't know Gerhard Schröder was surfing MP.Net...

[Russianlynxy]

sounds more like a matter of principle and polit-economic dispute...

yet another reason to continue with Nord Stream and not deal with transiters.

[Eye]

yet another reason to continue with Nord Stream and not deal with transiters.
Using exclusive economic zone is free?
BTW, we are not only transister, we are also buyer.
BTW2 - I don't think Gasprom will transit gas through Germany for free.

[daily666]

sounds more like a matter of principle and polit-economic dispute...

yet another reason to continue with Nord Stream and not deal with transiters.

The case is not about transit. Poland is the end-customer. And yes, comparing to what the deal was all about I think it's a minor thing.

[Eye]

Google translation:


Polish negotiators have a new argument in gas negotiations with Russia. Polish Oil and Gas (PGNiG) can in fact make a claim against Gazprom - learned "Dziennik Gazeta Prawna".


There is a growing amount that Poland will seek to recover from Gazprom - we read in the newspaper.



To 350 million dollars, which we demand from the Russians for transit in the years 2006-2009, was now 60 million dollars. As the newspaper - such damages must be to PGNiG for gas is not provided for in the past year.


As explained in the article - PGNiG intend to submit such an application at the beginning of last year. The defendant was to be not directly Gazprom, but RosUkrEnergo, a Swiss company linked to the Russian multinational. RUE - under a contract with PGNiG - was sent to us because in 2009, more than 18 percent of the raw material needed for Poland.

As a result, the gas crisis, which erupted in Europe in January last year, supplies have not been realized. RUE therefore has not complied with the contract. In March, Gazprom took over the obligations of RUE
link (http://biznes.onet.pl/gazprom-jest-winny-polsce-ponad-miliard-zlotych,18567,3107090,1,prasa-detal)

I realize that it's only news and could be not reliable, but maybe somebody has some closer information.

[edi_]

I realize that it's only news and could be not reliable.

Why bother posting it then? Especially since it's not Gazprom but some Swiss company.....

[Eye]

Why bother posting it then?

Because I'm interested how negotiations about deliveries gas goes. I have heard that there could be problem with gas supplies in the end of this year.
And I have gas powered central heating :)