Why were none of the senior Nazi leadership blonde-haired and blue-eyed?

[dave81]

This is a question that has been bothering me for a long time, off and on, but I was watching a History Channel show on the Nazis earlier tonight and it once again gave me the urge to ask it, so here it is:

Why were none of the senior Nazi leadership blonde-haired and blue-eyed Aryans? I mean, think about it: Hitler, Goebbels, Hess, Himmler, Bormann, Goering, and Eichmann all had dark brown hair, and several of them had brown eyes. Didn't the German people of the time think, "WTF?"

[Thugut]

OMG! If only this forum post had been made 70 years ago, we could have avoided so much destruction......

[Kilgor]

Because like most religious or political leaderships, they were hypocrites.

[deagle]

maybe b/c if anyone questioned, they would've been executed for voicing against the stat quo.

[G-AWZT]

Heydrich comes closest to the "ideal". That guy even scared the Nazi die-hards.

[boone]

Hitler was a Jew.
Fact.

[Eye]

Hitler was a Jew.
Fact.
Juice is everywhere.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1941/422pxorangejuice1edit1.jpg

[bersaglieri]

The Nazi's whole concept of aryanism was, like everything else they proposed , utter claptrap. The Aryan race originally referred to a people from the Indian subcontinent - hardly likely to find blue eyed blondes there! None of this is really surprising considering the source - the nazis named above were all without fail a bunch of sad,******ly deviant,mentally ill fúckwits who managed to drag a politically subservient country into hysteria and beyond and tried to take the rest of us with them.

[randir14]

They thought blond hair and blue eyes were the epitome of the Aryan race, it doesn't mean they were going to give up power just because they had brown hair.

[Soldat_Américain]

The Nazi's whole concept of aryanism was, like everything else they proposed , utter claptrap. The Aryan race originally referred to a people from the Indian subcontinent - hardly likely to find blue eyed blondes there! None of this is really surprising considering the source - the nazis named above were all without fail a bunch of sad,******ly deviant,mentally ill fúckwits who managed to drag a politically subservient country into hysteria and beyond and tried to take the rest of us with them.

Actually you have your **** mixed up, the Aryan race was a steppe people, part of it migrated to Europe and the other part to India and there's plenty sprinkled in between.

[Clear_blues]

Didn't Hitler throw a hissy fit when the King of Denmark refused to send a birthday greeting?

[randir14]

Didn't Hitler throw a hissy fit when the King of Denmark refused to send a birthday greeting?

Here you go
http://monarchs.suite101.com/article.cfm/christian_x_of_denmark


The king’s obvious disdain for the German occupiers eventually led to problems. In 1942, German chancellor, Adolf Hitler, sent a lengthy telegram to Christian on his 72nd birthday. The king replied with a curt "My best thanks". Hitler was outraged at the slight and recalled his ambassador from Copenhagen and expelled the Danish ambassador from Germany. The Danish cabinet was then replaced and led by veteran diplomat, Erik Scavenius, whom the Germans expected would be more cooperative.

[Gleipnir]

The Nazi's whole concept of aryanism was, like everything else they proposed , utter claptrap. The Aryan race originally referred to a people from the Indian subcontinent - hardly likely to find blue eyed blondes there! None of this is really surprising considering the source - the nazis named above were all without fail a bunch of sad,******ly deviant,mentally ill fúckwits who managed to drag a politically subservient country into hysteria and beyond and tried to take the rest of us with them.

As Soldat already pointed out so well- you have your **** mixed up-
Just wanted to add, however, that I knew some blonde haired, blue eyed individuals from Kashmir.

[stick.up.kid]

Yeh, the Indo-Europeans invaded south Asia bringing in sanskrit and such and taking out the declining indus valley civilization. There are still people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India who have traits such as blonde/red/light brown hair and green and blue eyes. The Nuristani are a good example.

[pg_ord]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#South_Asia_and_Central_Asia


A recent study (Sengupta 2006) found that the “influence of Central Asia on the pre-existing gene pool was minor. The ages of accumulated microsatellite variation in the majority of Indian haplogroups exceed 10,000–15,000 years, which attests to the antiquity of regional differentiation.” and it concluded: “Our reappraisal indicates that pre-Holocene and Holocene-era—not Indo-European—expansions have shaped the distinctive South Asian Y-chromosome landscape.”
The neolithic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic) spread of farmers to Europe from Levant/Middle East has also been linked to 12f2 (haplogroup J) and the markers M35 (haplogroup E1b1b) and M201 (haplogroup G). But while M35 (E1b1b) is present in Europe, Anatolia, South Caucasus and Iran. Indians generally do not have the Alu insertion in their Y chromosomes. The lack of YAP+ chromosomes (haplogroup E) in India suggests that M35 appeared in the Middle East only after a migration from Iran to South Asia had taken place, but earlier than the later migration of Near and Middle Eastern farmers to Europe [24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-23).


According to Sahoo (2006), “The sharing of some Y-chromosomal haplogroups between Indian and Central Asian populations is most parsimoniously explained by a deep, common ancestry between the two regions, with diffusion of some Indian-specific lineages northward. The Y-chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-Aryan language family.”

Several recent studies of the distribution of alleles on the Y chromosome,[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-sahoo-24) microsatellite DNA,[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-sengupta-25) and mitochondrial DNA [27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-sharma-26) in India have cast strong doubt for a biological Dravidian "race" distinct from non-Dravidians in the Indian subcontinent. The only distinct ethnic groups present in South Asia, according to genetic analysis, are the Balochi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_people), Brahui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahui), Burusho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burusho), Hazara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_people), Kalash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash), Pathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathan) and Sindhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_people) peoples, the vast majority of whom are found in today's Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan).[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-27) A 2009 study of 132 individuals using 560,000 SNPs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Nucleotide_Polymorphism) concluded that modern Indians are a 40.000 years old hybrid population of two divergent populations.[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-reich-28)[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#cite_note-29)

[dredger14]

Yeh, the Indo-Europeans invaded south Asia bringing in sanskrit and such and taking out the declining indus valley civilization. There are still people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India who have traits such as blonde/red/light brown hair and green and blue eyes. The Nuristani are a good example.

Take that BS elsewhere, now that Sanskrit is being "claimed" by white supremacists, Sanskrit "was brought to India" by "invaders"??

Typical stormfront self-contradicting garbage, oh and Aryans are not "blond-haired and blue eyed" if any blood-lines survived they would look like the Farsi Iranians and not like Nordic Europeans


Actually you have your **** mixed up, the Aryan race was a steppe people, part of it migrated to Europe and the other part to India and there's plenty sprinkled in between.
That's correct except no-one really knows what they really looked like, closest existing examples are Iranians. Also the ones that migrated to Europe and the "ones in between" achieved squat in regards to civilization had nothing to do with Sanskrit.


As Soldat already pointed out so well- you have your **** mixed up-
Just wanted to add, however, that I knew some blonde haired, blue eyed individuals from Kashmir.
The "Aryans" of old are extinct, people who claim to be descendants, mostly have nothing to do with the original people.

[dredger14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_expedition_to_Tibet

The group of five researchers intended to contact the Regent of Tibet [7] and visit the sacred cities of Lhasa and Shigatse. Even with wartime difficulties the group was able to contact the Tibetan authorities and people. They returned to Germany with a complete edition of the Tibetan sacred text the Kangyur (108 volumes), examples of Mandala, other ancient texts, and one alleged document regarding the Aryan Race. These documents were kept in Ahnenerbe archives.
There exist some photos of Schäfer and colleagues with Tibetan dignitaries in a room decorated with black and white SS banners, Swastika and Tibetan flags. Others show Schäfer with the Potala Palace in the background, and other group members undertaking research in the Tibetan mountains.
I wonder why the Nazis didn't make a trip to the Nordic countries if they were the "Purest Aryans"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race#The_third_root_race_.28Lemurian.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Nazism
Delusional idiots...

[bersaglieri]

As Soldat already pointed out so well- you have your **** mixed up-
Just wanted to add, however, that I knew some blonde haired, blue eyed individuals from Kashmir.

Nope I'm not mixed up , I just did'nt want to go into that racial claptrap in depth as it's all bollocks anyway , there is the human race and that's it. Some are black,some white, some short, some ginger etc etc who cares. But the word Aryan arises out of Sanskrit does'nt it?

Your blue eyed, blonde Kashmiris may have something to do with a combination of traces of Alexander's Greeks and 200 years of British colonisation....

[BorisA]

Even in Nazi-Germany the people made fun of them and flouted:

"Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels and slim like Göring"

p-)

So much for racial superiority...

[danielc]

I have some vague recollection of seeing a documentary where it was explained that the way the Nazis conceptualized race was that the perfection of the Aryan race was found in the blonde-haired blue-eye tall, northern man, however there were shades below that were as Aryans as well, just not as perfect. They even had all kinds of Cranial measurements that was used to define who was an Aryan.

[California Joe]

I blame Wagner.

[Macs.]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2e1ynf4.jpg

[Lerch]

http://www.keepaa.com/images/anon/2009/200904/20090412/f13cf4ee68b7541ea1bb5ad6e9931696.jpg

[Socrates187]

http://www.keepaa.com/images/anon/2009/200904/20090412/f13cf4ee68b7541ea1bb5ad6e9931696.jpg

Oh, damn roflrofl

[pocoloco]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_expedition_to_Tibet

I wonder why the Nazis didn't make a trip to the Nordic countries if they were the "Purest Aryans"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race#The_third_root_race_.28Lemurian.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Nazism
Delusional idiots...

Actually Himmler was quite interested in old Finnish myths and epics, in the late 1930s had some guy collecting those and stuff, like kanteles, for his private collection.

[Scythian]

Take that BS elsewhere, now that Sanskrit is being "claimed" by white supremacists, Sanskrit "was brought to India" by "invaders"??

Typical stormfront self-contradicting garbage, oh and Aryans are not "blond-haired and blue eyed" if any blood-lines survived they would look like the Farsi Iranians and not like Nordic Europeans


That's correct except no-one really knows what they really looked like, closest existing examples are Iranians. Also the ones that migrated to Europe and the "ones in between" achieved squat in regards to civilization had nothing to do with Sanskrit.


The "Aryans" of old are extinct, people who claim to be descendants, mostly have nothing to do with the original people.


I take it you have never been to Iran.

[pg_ord]

I take it you have never been to Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWVmE-G2pc&feature=player_embedded

[gaijinsamurai]

My Iranian aunt told me she and her fellow Persians are Aryans, when I was a kid.