Norwegian minister under fire for praise of Cast Lead book

[ting]

Norwegian minister under fire for praise of Cast Lead book
The Norwegian foreign minister's praise for a controversial book accusing Israeli troops of perpetrating a "monstrous, systematically implemented and comprehensive massacre" in Gaza aroused harsh criticism yesterday from Israeli officials and Jewish organizations.

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon told Haaretz that the book being endorsed by Jonas Gahr Store is "outrageous and borders on incitement made up of fabrication and lies."

"It is problematic that a representative of a democratic government is praising such things," Ayalon added. Advertisement


The book in question is called "Eyes in Gaza," written by Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse after their stay in the Strip during Operation Cast Lead last year.

Dr. Moshe Kantor, president of the European Jewish Congress, said he was "deeply disappointed" by Store's endorsement of "slanted and baseless libel." "Norway, which I hope will continue to live far away from terrorism, needs to know that such statements feed and assist the terrorists," Kantor said.

"As can be recalled, journalists and reporters were not allowed into Gaza," a spokesperson for the Norwegian foreign ministry said when asked about the back-cover praises which Store wrote for the highly controversial book.

"When war rages, civilians are made mute," Store wrote, adding that Fosse and Gilbert "told of what they saw. It was not their duty, but their responsibility. When military might fences out all voices, the few which remain become extra strong and important."

The two celebrity physicians and political activists from the Norwegian far-left frequently visit the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as part of the government-funded medical nonprofit NORWAC, and are among Norway's fiercest critics of Israel.

Gilbert defended the book to Haaretz as "accurate testimony." "It turned out to be true. There was a massacre. It was no mistake, but obviously a planned, systematically implemented military operation of the Israeli army," Gilbert and Fosse wrote, describing an incident in which they said IDF forces put a family into a house "only to bomb the house the following day, full of people."

The IDF spokesperson said no families had been targeted during Operation Cast Lead.

Another passage in the account by the two doctors reads: "The Israelis knew well what they were doing. The purpose was to collectively punish the entire Palestinian population of Gaza [with] a merciless slaughter of women and children, old and young, men and women."

Cecilie Willoch, press officer for the Norwegian foreign ministry said that Store "expressed his personal appreciation of the medical and humanitarian work of Drs. Gilbert and Fosse in Gaza. The lack of access for the media made [these] important for international media." She added that Store has "underlined" the fact that Gilbert and Fosse "only represent one voice" of what took place.

Earlier this year Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman accused Norway of "promoting anti-Semitism" and pursuing a "hostile policy" toward Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139216.html

I guess Israel knows we are there. I was wondering if we were forgotten after the last bout of fuming. :lol:

I'we been kinda wondering why we are so often the object of critisism by the Israeli government. Then I remember the Swedish were head of the EU and their period started with a row, against them. I really could'nt see any reason for this hatin on us Norwegians until I remembered we are head of the donors group to the Palestinians. I guess the Israelis want to keep us in line.

Anyway I expect there will be some fuming against Spain since they are the new EU president.

Oh about the book. I am really impressed about the language skills of the Israeli deputy foreign minister, since the book is only available in Norwegian:roll:

Then there is of course the wish by the Israeli government to kill any criticism of cast lead. I think they are glad they kept western press out of Gaza, but those Norwegian doctors must be a pain in the ass.

Oh well 2010 has started well.:lol:

[ting]

Wait, perhaps this is a reason for the criticism. A preemptive criticism.:lol:

Norway deplores Israel’s building plans for East Jerusalem
Israeli authorities have presented plans to build nearly 700 housing units in East Jerusalem. Plans by Israel for increased building activity there are deplored by Norway, says Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre.

He says the building activity will take place on occupied territory, and must therefore be viewed as illegal under international law.

The international community has never recognised the annexation of East Jerusalem in 1967.

“The question of the future status of Jerusalem is crucial to the peace process and negotiations on a lasting peace settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians. As Norway has said a number of times before, building activity of the kind that is now planned serves only to hamper and undermine the possibility of re-starting negotiations on a lasting two-state solution. It is still essential that no unilateral actions are taken that can lead to further escalation of the conflict,” Foreign Minister Støre commented.

(NRK/Press release)

Rolleiv Solholm
http://www.norwaypost.no/content/view/22988/26/

[OrangeWolf]

Oh about the book. I am really impressed about the language skills of the Israeli deputy foreign minister, since the book is only available in Norwegian:roll:

You really do believe the Israeli government is unable to find someone who can correctly translate Norwegian to Hebrew and if not English? :cantbeli:

[Octavariable]

The criticism is on the minister, not the book.

And from the Talkbacks:


Unfortunately, the Norwegian media is almost always reporting the `horrors` Palestinians face, while saying nothing about the huge amount of rockets raining down on Israel from Gaza every year. Our media is ruled by socialists, and so is our country. The only political party that stands behind Israel wholeheartedly, is the Progress Party. Our children and population are being fed anti-Israel propaganda on a regular basis. It`s brainwashing, pure and simple.


can sadly only second no.15 "ashamed to be Norwegian". Our newspapermen seem obsessed with Israel, yet when we ask if it is because Israelis are mainly jews they become furious. Here are the figures for Aftenposten, one of Norway`s largest newspapers. As is evident, Aftenposten writes more about Israel than they do about the Netherlands, not to mention Saudi Arabia:

Aftenposten 1996 - 2006
Peru: 965
Israel: 9750
Sverige: 38 627
Saudi Arabia: 2485
Marokko: 2122
Nederland: 9360

Figures from Retriever, a media analysis tool. All Norwegian newspapermen have the tool and know these figures are correct.

[ting]

from the Talkbacks:

IIRC there is no war in Nederland, and they have about the same number of articles.

Perhaps some of our dutch members can enlighten us about their conflict ridden neighborhood and their current occupation of...?

[Mordoror]

Aftenposten 1996 - 2006
Peru: 965
Israel: 9750
Sverige: 38 627
Saudi Arabia: 2485
Marokko: 2122
Nederland: 9360

not to enter in a pokefest but guys if you want to discuss at least find some credible arguments
Aftenposen writes a lot on Israel because maybe
i)Israel and the ME in general is the center of worldwide opinion interest
ii) it always happen something important or tragic in that area

that's the same in all western newspapers ....

on the contrary i am quite astonished by the high level of articles about Nederland (sarcasm off)

[NavyTimes]

If Israel had not banned free press from witnessing Cast Lead in Gaza, the only western witnesses wouldn't have been two socialist doctors working with the victims of the bombing. Shame that.


Free speech is a bitch.

[tercio67]

IIRC there is no war in Nederland, and they have about the same number of articles.

Perhaps some of our dutch members can enlighten us about their conflict ridden neighborhood and their current occupation of...?

As a Dutch member I must say I am surprised by the interest displayed by this paper in the Netherlands. Nothing noteworthy ever happens over here, at least not noteworthy to ourselves.
We currently do not occupy anybody (unless you believe mr Chavez), but I'm sure if someone payed us enough we would consider occupying them.
We are far to busy with our secret plans for world domination to pay attention to this paper however and will therefore continue to ignore it.

[Elemental666]

You guys are pretty freaking bored over there, huh.

[Connaught Ranger]

Oh well 2010 has started well.:lol:

Trolling in the New Year?:roll:

[Atlantic Friend]

As is evident, Aftenposten writes more about Israel than they do about the Netherlands

And it should be the other way around because....?

I'm venturing a guess : Norway's Aftenposten also posts more articles about Iraq than it does about Belgium, and about Afghanistan than about France. Couldn't be that the pattern is that the Norwegian media write articles and make segments about what makes the news?

[ting]

Trolling in the New Year?:roll:

How do you figure?

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

Is there anything you find inflamatory about 2010? This is the 1. january 2010 after all.


Usage

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Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[OrangeWolf]

IIRC there is no war in Nederland, and they have about the same number of articles.

Perhaps some of our dutch members can enlighten us about their conflict ridden neighborhood and their current occupation of...?

Like Israel we are occupying nothing, I wonder why those Swedes are so interested in us anyway :)

[Ozzy[NO]]

What was the Minister thinking? The authors of this book are radical-leftist who've shown their support for Islamic terrorism, both in word and action.

FM Gahr Støre should have figured out that he represents the Norwegian state after more than four years as a Minister. Embaracing.....

[ting]

As a Dutch member I must say I am surprised by the interest displayed by this paper in the Netherlands. Nothing noteworthy ever happens over here, at least not noteworthy to ourselves.
We currently do not occupy anybody (unless you believe mr Chavez), but I'm sure if someone payed us enough we would consider occupying them.
We are far to busy with our secret plans for world domination to pay attention to this paper however and will therefore continue to ignore it.

Hmm, as an avid Aftenposten reader, I am unable to recall anything related to the occupation of the Dutch Antilles. Then again perhaps it is time, Freedom for the Dutchians!

This is truly a morbid fascination we have with you dutch. Perhaps it's a new disease, lets call it Dutch Disease!

Anyway, wasn't that Dutch director shot in this time period(1996-2006)? It's been a hot topic related to immigration.

[ting]

You guys are pretty freaking bored over there, huh.

Yep:-(

Like Israel we are occupying nothing, I wonder why those Swedes are so interested in us anyway :)

Hmm, did I mention it is 2010 and not 1948. Perhaps time to buy a newspaper or something.p-)

[ting]

;4664786']What was the Minister thinking? The authors of this book are radical-leftist who've shown their support for Islamic terrorism, both in word and action.

FM Gahr Støre should have figured out that he represents the Norwegian state after more than four years as a Minister. Embaracing.....

Have you gone of the deep-end or something? What is your definition of support for terrorism? Treating injured people?

[Ozzy[NO]]

Have you gone of the deep-end or something? What is your definition of support for terrorism? Treating injured people?

Supporting Hamas and HezbAllah, supporting 9/11 etc etc. Gilbert has also indirectly shown that he supports breaking the Hippocratic Oath by encouraging boycott of the Medicines Sans Frontieres. Sure, it's a good thing they've helped people in Gaza and other places, but their political views are despicable, and the Norwegian FM should know better than to encourage these two spin-doctors.

[OrangeWolf]

If all of that is true then the Norwegian minister deserves all the criticism and slack for reading pro-terrorists bull****.

[ting]

;4664893']Supporting Hamas and HezbAllah, supporting 9/11 etc etc. Gilbert has also indirectly shown that he supports breaking the Hippocratic Oath by encouraging boycott of the Medicines Sans Frontieres. Sure, it's a good thing they've helped people in Gaza and other places, but their political views are despicable, and the Norwegian FM should know better than to encourage these two spin-doctors.
If you purposely missunderstand what someone says you wont get far.


If all of that is true then the Norwegian minister deserves all the criticism and slack for reading pro-terrorists bull****.

It's not. Ozzy[NO] has trouble with the Norwegian language, and the difference between understand and support.

[Snoshi]

In the interview, he argued that “the oppressed also have a moral right to attack the USA with any weapon they can come up with,” adding specifically that he supported the terror attack “within the context which I have mentioned.”
http://olehgirl.com/?p=1736


Gilbert was also a candidate for local government in 2007 for the Norwegian Red Party, an outgrowth of the radical Norwegian Workers’ Communist Party.

Som for eksempel da han like etter 11.september-angrepet i New York, uttalte i Dagbladet at han støttet et terrorangrep på USA.

- Hvis USAs regjering har en legitim rett til å bombe og drepe sivile i Irak, har også de undertrykte en moralsk rett til å angripe USA med de våpen de måtte skape. Døde sivile er det samme enten det er amerikanere, palestinere eller irakere, sa overlegen og professoren, men stoppet ikke her:

- Støtter du et terrorangrep på USA, spurte journalisten.

- Terror er et dårlig våpen, men svaret er ja, innenfor den konteksten jeg har nevnt, sa Gilbert.

Reaksjonene lot ikke vente på seg.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/01/06/nyheter/gaza/tromso/leger/politikk/4252092/

Gilbert is a radical Marxist and a member of the political Red (Rodt) party, a revolutionary socialist party in Norway. He has been a pro-Palestinian activist since the 1970's and travelled to Lebanon in support of the Palestinians during the first Lebanon war in 1982. He has long been a vocal opponent of Israel and the U.S. Gilbert has acknowledged that he cannot separate politics from medicine, stating, "there is little in medicine that is not politics." He even criticizes the group Doctors Without Borders for providing medical assistance to both sides in a conflict instead of taking a strong stance and supporting only one party. In a 2006 article in Nordlys, journalist Ivan Kristoffersen lamented the fact that Gilbert allows his humanitarian efforts to be politicized by his radical agenda.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1580

[RoyB]

I would be ashamed if I were Norwegian.
Seriously, go do something useful.. like go to the gym, find a cure for cancer, something like that.
Having a government supportive of terrorists is not exactly groundbreaking for Norway, I know.. but its time to change.

In the end, the claims of a massacre taking place in Gaza are as reliable as the reports of a massacre in Jenin.rofl

[Ozzy[NO]]

If you purposely missunderstand what someone says you wont get far.



It's not. Ozzy[NO] has trouble with the Norwegian language, and the difference between understand and support.

Yeah, enjoy life in your bubble. They're actions and words clearly show that they support the fine gentlemen in Hezbollah and Hamas. They aren't stupid enough to say "We support them", but their actions and their one-sided view of the Middle East makes it rather clear where their allegiances lie. So many just looks at their "MD" title, and that they have helped people in need of medical care around the world. But, you have to look beyond that to see who these two spin-doctors really are. The Norwegian FM should know better than to get involved with these two.

[Octavariable]

@Snoshi

Your post puts the whole Norwegian foreign agenda into context, thank you.

[ting]

http://olehgirl.com/?p=1736



http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/01/06/nyheter/gaza/tromso/leger/politikk/4252092/

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1580

If the US has a right to attack civilians in Iraq, people in Iraq have a right to attack the US. That is what he said.

Language is so interesting, since if you add or remove a little context, translate a few words differently, you can do with it what you want.

On political views. In the early seventies, the youth were against the Vietnam war. Some choose to drop acid and smoke pot, others joined radical parties(which really weren't that radical by Norwegian standards.)

But by all means, since he holds views you don't like, every thing he says must be a lie...

[dracon49]

ting, what do you think about Hamas and Hezbollah?? It's really interesting me to know.

[ting]

;4665779']Yeah, enjoy life in your bubble. They're actions and words clearly shows that they support the fine gentlemen in Hezbollah and Hamas. They aren't stupid enough to say "We support them", but their actions and their one-sided view of the Middle East makes it rather clear where their allegiances lie. So many just looks at their "MD" title, and that they have helped people in need of medical care around the world, but you have to look beyond that to see who these two spin-doctors really are. The Norwegian FM should know better than to get involved with these two.

Yeah, so these doctors support terrorists, and this Norwegian government and all previous Norwegian governments who supported their work are supporting terrorists.:roll: Right.

[Snoshi]

If the US has a right to attack civilians in Iraq, people in Iraq have a right to attack the US. That is what he said.

Language is so interesting, since if you add or remove a little context, translate a few words differently, you can do with it what you want.

On political views. In the early seventies, the youth were against the Vietnam war. Some choose to drop acid and smoke pot, others joined radical parties(which really weren't that radical by Norwegian standards.)

But by all means, since he holds views you don't like, every thing he says must be a lie...

Oh please.. He is a hard-core communist..

And he supports 9/11 attacks... You can spin hes statements as much as you want.. Its still clear that he supports act of terrorism.

Its clear that leftists parties+ plenty of immigrants change the policy of several countries like Sweden or Norway.. Both of these countries have strong left parties and a lot of immigrants from Muslim countries..

On the other hand we have Finland with a growing right and few immigrants(compared to the rest of the Europe) and they are pretty neutral when it comes to Israel and supportive in some ways..

Denmark is little bit different since the have a strong right and plenty immigrants and these thing are connected to each other.. And Denmark is neutral and little supportive of Israel.


Yeah, so these doctors support terrorists, and this Norwegian government and all previous Norwegian governments who supported their work are supporting terrorists. Right.
Pretty much.. Like giving money to Hamas and other groups..

[ting]

Oh please.. He is a hard-core communist..

And he supports 9/11 attacks... You can spin hes statements as much as you want.. Its still clear that he supports act of terrorism.

Its clear that leftists parties+ plenty of immigrants change the policy of several countries like Sweden or Norway.. Both of these countries have strong left parties and a lot of immigrants from Muslim countries..

On the other hand we have Finland with a growing right and few immigrants(compared to the rest of the Europe) and they are pretty neutral when it comes to Israel and supportive in some ways..

Denmark is little bit different since the have a strong right and plenty immigrants and these thing are connected to each other.. And Denmark is neutral and little supportive of Israel.

You have to remember context when you evaluate statements and political views. Context is historical, cultural and linguistic. After the war the OSS were shocked about the communist leaning of the Norwegian government and it's leading politicians. They were unable to view the context, and used concepts based in US politics as though they were the same for Norway. This had to be corrected, and it was deemed sensible that the US keep the CIA away from evaluating Norwegian politics. AFAIK there were applied special rules in regards to operations in Norway. All activity would go through Norwegian Millitary Intelligence. This worked well and during the cold war the US was the main financier of the Norwegian intelligence service. (US intel needs were huge while the countries resources were tiny.)

About your theories of support for Israel:
Hmm, so how do you explain the Lefts unwavering support for Israel until the mid 1980s?

It's simple. The Left in Norway began to see what Israel was doing to the Palestinians and in Lebanon, instead of ignoring it. Israel was above criticism in this period. This has changed.



Pretty much.. Like giving money to Hamas and other groups..

I guess Israel should put Norway on the terror financing list then.:lol:

[dracon49]

ting ,answer my question plz.

[Snoshi]

About your theories of support for Israel:
Hmm, so how do you explain the Lefts unwavering support for Israel until the mid 1980s?

It's simple. The Left in Norway began to see what Israel was doing to the Palestinians and in Lebanon, instead of ignoring it. Israel was above criticism in this period. This has changed.


Umm.. Lack of immigrants from Muslim countries that people Norway had to bend over for? :roll:

[ting]

ting, what do you think about Hamas and Hezbollah?? It's really interesting me to know.

I don't see them as all terrorist or all freedom fighters. Al-qaida I see as all terrorists, however these two groups should not be bunched in with Al-qaida, since this makes Al-qaida look acceptable in the Middle east and South East Asia. These two organizations are based on the context in the region and are not generally interested in other issues or areas.

Hamas and Hezbollah are complex groups with both violent and non violent elements. These boards are based on US laws which view them as terrorist organizations. So going into their complexity would be stressful and time consuming without running the risk of inadvertently violating the rules on this board. I don't feel like doing that, sorry;)

I can however say that I support the Norwegian governments view on these groups whole heartedly.

[ting]

ting ,answer my question plz.

Sorry, I wanted to answer snoshi first:-D

[muck]

If Israel had not banned free press from witnessing Cast Lead in Gaza, the only western witnesses wouldn't have been two socialist doctors working with the victims of the bombing. Shame that.

Free speech is a bitch.Nothing against the Freedom of Speech but should the foreign minister of a sovereign country really get involved with a bigoted nutjob like Mads Gilbert whose claims are dubious at best?
That is a political statement and if the Norwegian government did not want to have it sent it they should have had put a leash on one of theirs.

[ting]

Umm.. Lack of immigrants from Muslim countries that people Norway had to bend over for? :roll:

They were and are too few, politically impotent, and we don't bend over for anybody.

[Ozzy[NO]]

Yeah, so these doctors support terrorists, and this Norwegian government and all previous Norwegian governments who supported their work are supporting terrorists.:roll: Right.

The Norwegian Government has supported their work as doctors, but the political parties in the coalition(except for Socialist Left Party?) does not really share the same views as these two communists. However, the Norwegian support for the Hamas-Fatah coalition, and the continued anti-Israeli rhetoric just goes to show that Norway isn't really as neutral as we like to think we are.

The political party Rødt's (Red) youth wing, Red Youth, gave monetary support to the terrorists in PLFP quite recently. How nice of them....:bash:

[RoyB]

I don't see them as all terrorist or all freedom fighters.
Both groups target civilians, which makes them terrorists.
Its that simple.

[Snoshi]

I don't see them as all terrorist or all freedom fighters. Al-qaida I see as all terrorists, however these two groups should not be bunched in with Al-qaida, since this makes Al-qaida look acceptable in the Middle east and South East Asia. These two organizations are based on the context in the region and are not generally interested in other issues or areas.

I can however say that I support the Norwegian governments view on these groups whole heartedly.

Umm.. Wait.. So Al-Qaida is terrorist organisation according to you.. But Hamas and HZB aint?

How so? Did you know that HZB invented the suicide bomb and used it quite "well" in Lebanon and outside of its borders(Argentine).

Hamas fires rockets into civilian cities and their terrorists blow themselves up at places where civilians meet..

How is that not terrorism? :roll:

[Snoshi]

They were and are too few, politically impotent, and we don't bend over for anybody.

No, you dont..
http://www.ssb.no/innvstat_en/fig1-utvikling-en.gif

[Ozzy[NO]]

Nothing against the Freedom of Speech but should the foreign minister of a sovereign country really get involved with a bigoted nutjob like Mads Gilbert whose claims are dubious at best?
That is a political statement and if the Norwegian government did not want to have it sent it they should have had put a leash on one of theirs.

Yeah, it's a political blunder by the Norwegian FM. He's highly respected here in Norway, so I guess the media wont give this the attention it deserves.

[ting]

Both groups target civilians, which makes them terrorists.
Its that simple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

Is it really that clear cut and simple?

[dracon49]

I don't see them as all terrorist or all freedom fighters. Al-qaida I see as all terrorists, however these two groups should not be bunched in with Al-qaida, since this makes Al-qaida look acceptable in the Middle east and South East Asia. These two organizations are based on the context in the region and are not generally interested in other issues or areas.

Hamas and Hezbollah are complex groups with both violent and non violent elements. These boards are based on US laws which view them as terrorist organizations. So going into their complexity would be stressful and time consuming without running the risk of inadvertently violating the rules on this board. I don't feel like doing that, sorry;)

I can however say that I support the Norwegian governments view on these groups whole heartedly.
Your government talks to them directly ,no?...and firing rockets on civilians it's a war crime in your opinion?...

[ting]

No, you dont..
http://www.ssb.no/innvstat_en/fig1-utvikling-en.gif

Yep there are tons of Latin American Muslims controlling Norwegian politics.:roll:

[dracon49]

It's right that you have 500.000 immigrants from Afria South America and Asia?...

[ting]

It's right that you have 500.000 immigrants from Afria South America and Asia?...

No that is not correct.

[dracon49]

No that is not correct.
Ah..if yes its quite a lot..too much...

[Snoshi]

Yep there are tons of Latin American Muslims controlling Norwegian politics.:roll:

Yeah.. Those South Americans really cause the trouble...


This is the unconvenient truth Multiculturalists prefer to leave well alone. The whole issue of their immigrants' over representation in the crime statistics, most noticeably in the rape department, upsets their carefully placed applecart, it's the elephant in the room that the politicians refuse to acknowledge, and western women are feeling the brunt of these immigration policies, face face and on their backs.

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.
Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context."Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen said.

[ting]

Yeah.. Those South Americans really cause the trouble...

You use out of context rape statistics to point out how powerfull muslims are in Norway?

Your post borders on racism. I'm reporting you, since I feel you are stepping over the line. I think the mods should weigh in on this, and I think you should know better snoshi.:-(

[Snoshi]

You use out of context rape statistics to point out how powerfull muslims are in Norway?

Your post borders on racism. I'm reporting you, since I feel you are stepping over the line. I think the mods should weigh in on this, and I think you should know better snoshi.:-(

RACISM!! hahaha.. Typical leftist reaction.. As soon as someone starts to criticize the influx of immigrants or something of that kind, a racism card is thrown out to silence the speaker.

Where did you see racism in my posts..

All i said that is that lefties combing with a large influx of the Islamic immigrants lead to government and the people bending over for them and changing both state and foreign policy...

[ting]

RACISM!! hahaha.. Typical leftist reaction.. As soon as someone starts to criticize the influx of immigrants or something of that kind, a racism card is thrown out to silence the speaker.

Where did you see racism in my posts..

All i said that is that lefties combing with a large influx of the Islamic immigrants lead to government and the people bending over for them and changing both state and foreign policy...

What is the relevance of this out of context unsourced text relating to rape to the issue of Norway bending over backwards?

Rape statistics are far more complex, and totally of topic. I feel you are attempting to portray Muslims as rapist in this context in order to prove that Muslims are in control of Norwegian policies since we don't put them all in jail before anything bad happens.

You have 1) marked an entire ethno-religious group as rapists, 2) indicated that they as part of some global conspiracy to control Norwegian politics. That is In my view bordering on racism. I feel the mods should way in on weather this is acceptable discourse on these forums.

[RoyB]

Is it really that clear cut and simple?
Why don't you stop with the flame baits you throw around all the time like a little kid, and just address the comment I've given you?

[Snoshi]

Rape statistics are far more complex, and totally of topic. I feel you are attempting to portray Muslims as rapist in this context in order to prove that Muslims are in control of Norwegian policies since we don't put them all in jail before anything bad happens.
Yeah right.. They are "complex"...

Am i portraying every single Muslim as a rapist? Now that is a flamebait from you..



You have 1) marked an entire ethno-religious group as rapists, 2) indicated that they as part of some global conspiracy to control Norwegian politics. That is In my view bordering on racism. I feel the mods should way in on weather this is acceptable discourse on these forums.
Did i do you? Where did i say that every Muslim is a rapist? rofl

[ting]

Why don't you stop with the flame baits you throw around all the time like a little kid, and just address the comment I've given you?

I'm not flaming. If you apply your rule there are a lot of organizations which would have to be defined as terrorists. I doubt governments see it the same way as you do when they evaluate which organizations are terrorists.

[dracon49]

ting ,you support what Hamas and Hezbollah do(firing rockets indiscriminately)???

[ting]

Yeah right.. They are "complex"...

Am i portraying every single Muslim as a rapist? Now that is a flamebait from you..



Did i do you? Where did i say that every Muslim is a rapist? rofl

I'm taking a break from this discussion. I have stated my views about your post, and have reported it to the mods. If they agree with my assessment that it crosses the line they will let you know, if they don't agree with me they will tell me to quit whining.

[Snoshi]

ting ,you support what Hamas and Hezbollah do(firing rockets indiscriminatly)???

He still havent responded to my post where i explain that HZB, Hamas and Al-Qaida are groups that use exact tactics.. But somehow he considers only one of the as terrorists..

[ting]

ting ,you support what Hamas and Hezbollah do(firing rockets indiscriminatly)???

No, it is stupid, counterproductive and it usually ends up hurting innocent civilians.

[dracon49]

No, it is stupid, counterproductive and it usually ends up hurting innocent civilians.
And if they will have guided missiles and they will fire them only on military bases?....

[dracon49]

He still havent responded to my post where i explain that HZB, Hamas and Al-Qaida are groups that use exact tactics.. But somehow he considers only one of the as terrorists..
Because Al-Qaeda fights NATO(and his country is part of NATO). He doesn't care on orgnizations that terrorize Israel, so he doesn't have any reason to consider them as terrorist organizations.

[~Berdan]

What...what is this thread all about?
Can someone explain me?I am not sure about the purpose of this thread?
So some ass in Norway,god bless him,having issues about operation cast lead?So...what about it?
This thread full of factual representations of some sort?Any point of argue,to fill 4 pages?Or maybe I haven't read it well enough?

[Ozzy[NO]]

What is the relevance of this out of context unsourced text relating to rape to the issue of Norway bending over backwards?

Rape statistics are far more complex, and totally of topic. I feel you are attempting to portray Muslims as rapist in this context in order to prove that Muslims are in control of Norwegian policies since we don't put them all in jail before anything bad happens.

You have 1) marked an entire ethno-religious group as rapists, 2) indicated that they as part of some global conspiracy to control Norwegian politics. That is In my view bordering on racism. I feel the mods should way in on weather this is acceptable discourse on these forums.

1. Muslims are not an ethno-religious group :cantbeli:
2. Your accusations against Snoshi are hilarious :roll:

As I said earlier, have fun in your bubble.

[NavyTimes]

Do anyone really know what exactly Støre wrote?

[dracon49]

;4665937']1. Muslims are not an ethno-religious group :cantbeli:
2. Your accusations against Snoshi are hilarious :roll:

As I said earlier, have fun in your bubble.
It's a religion Islam...

[RoyB]

It's a religion Islam...
No ****, Sherlock.

[dracon49]

No ****, Sherlock.
I said something wrong or you cynical??...:roll:

[GB_FXST]

... snip ...

Cecilie Willoch, press officer for the Norwegian foreign ministry said that Store "expressed his personal appreciation of the medical and humanitarian work of Drs. Gilbert and Fosse in Gaza. The lack of access for the media made [these] important for international media." She added that Store has "underlined" the fact that Gilbert and Fosse "only represent one voice" of what took place.

Earlier this year Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman accused Norway of "promoting anti-Semitism" and pursuing a "hostile policy" toward Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139216.html



I guess Israel knows we are there. I was wondering if we were forgotten after the last bout of fuming. :lol:

I'we been kinda wondering why we are so often the object of critisism by the Israeli government. Then I remember the Swedish were head of the EU and their period started with a row, against them. I really could'nt see any reason for this hatin on us Norwegians until I remembered we are head of the donors group to the Palestinians. I guess the Israelis want to keep us in line.

Anyway I expect there will be some fuming against Spain since they are the new EU president.

Oh about the book. I am really impressed about the language skills of the Israeli deputy foreign minister, since the book is only available in Norwegian:roll:

Then there is of course the wish by the Israeli government to kill any criticism of cast lead. I think they are glad they kept western press out of Gaza, but those Norwegian doctors must be a pain in the ass.

Oh well 2010 has started well.:lol:

Why exactly is a government office advocating a private and politically oriented book?

I do believe Lieberman, once again, is correct.

[muck]

There's indeed no better explanation for that behaviour.

[Shark with freaking laser]

As I understood it from reading Haaretz article:


Tragically, it appears to me that the book of Gilbert and Fosse is written in a biased and rather unserious way, from reading the quotes provided by this article. This is naturally a big minus and I personally have no intensions of buying this book.

I do however defend Støres right to support that they wrote about their experiences. He did the same when he supported the democratic rights of the newspaper that printed the Mohammed caricatures even though he met massive critics from the Islamic world.

On the side note, it is surprising that Støre is criticized for not leaving when the Iranian president held his speech during the UN General Assembly. In fact, Støre, afterwards in his speech, stood against the Iranian president, criticizing him for his hatred spreading Anti-Semitic speech. Because of this, Støre was also praised by the Israeli governor in Norway.

(Clue is off, so pardon about my English)http://haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ResponseDetails.jhtml?itemno=1139216&resNo=5595716

I have to admit that I am not thrilled about his decision to express support for such a controversial book. Don't get me wrong. Of course there is nothing wrong with Fosse and Gilbert only writing about their hospital experiences etc. I just don't like the kinds of accusations you also find in this book, an noteable example being "the Israelis deliberately wanted to punish the entire Palestinian population" etc.

Anyway, I seriously hope that the Israelis aren't seeing Norway and Norwegians as Anti-Semitic. In fact, I also believe that most Norwegian Palestine supporters aren't Anti-Semitic after having had several discussions with many of them (they even agree that extremist organizations, such as Hamas, are damaging to the peace process). :hug:

Edit: Off topic, but also kind of amusing is that Støre also recently said that he would not be a part a government that let any ISAF-General control Norwegian troops freely. ...C'mon it is like a chess player who isn't allowed to move 3 of his peasants because they required the permission from one of the audience in order to be moved.
:bash: