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c_r_b
07-17-2004, 02:38 PM
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran.

Next week's much anticipated final report by a bipartisan commission on the origins of the 9/11 attacks will contain new evidence of contacts between al-Qaeda and Iran—just weeks after the Administration has come under fire for overstating its claims of contacts between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

A senior U.S. official told TIME that the Commission has uncovered evidence suggesting that between eight and ten of the 14 "muscle" hijackers—that is, those involved in gaining control of the four 9/11 aircraft and subduing the crew and passengers—passed through Iran in the period from October 2000 to February 2001. Sources also tell TIME that Commission investigators found that Iran had a history of allowing al-Qaeda members to enter and exit Iran across the Afghan border. This practice dated back to October 2000, with Iranian officials issuing specific instructions to their border guards—in some cases not to put stamps in the passports of al-Qaeda personnel—and otherwise not harass them and to facilitate their travel across the frontier. The report does not, however, offer evidence that Iran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attacks.

The senior official also told TIME that the report will note that Iranian officials approached the al-Qaeda leadership after the bombing of the USS Cole and proposed a collaborative relationship in future attacks on the U.S., but the offer was turned down by bin Laden because he did not want to alienate his supporters in Saudi Arabia.

The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

These findings follow a Commission staff report, released in June, which suggested that al-Qaeda may have collaborated with Hezbollah and its Iranian sponsors in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, a key American military barracks in Saudi Arabia. Previously, the attack had been attributed only to Hezbollah, with Iranian support. A U.S. indictment of bin Laden filed in 1998 for the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa said al-Qaeda "forged alliances . . . with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States." But the Commission comes to no firm conclusion on al-Qaeda's involvement in the Khobar disaster.

Since 9/11 the U.S. has held direct talks with Iran—and through intermediaries including Britain, Switzerland and Saudi Arabia—concerning the fate of scores of al-Qaeda that Iran has acknowleded are in the country, including an unspecified number of senior leaders, whom one senior U.S. official called al-Qaeda's "management council". The U.S. as well as the Saudis have unsuccessfully sought the repatriation of this group, which is widely thought to include Saad bin Laden, the son of Osama bin Laden, as well of other key al-Qaeda figures.

source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

One?
07-17-2004, 03:19 PM
when are these "ties" gonna stop? First it was iraq, now iran. Do you mind finding bin laden first?

KB
07-17-2004, 03:42 PM
The Iranians have gotten off "scot free" in the war on "terror". They still have to pay for their activities in Lebanon during the '80s, Khobar Towers, and not least the Embassy takeover. It now appears they are far closer to having nukes than Iraq. Will be interesting to see if the Administration wants to try another pre-emption.

khukuri
07-17-2004, 03:53 PM
when are these "ties" gonna stop? First it was iraq, now iran. Do you mind finding bin laden first?


Apparently every muslim and arab over the world is a part of this alqaeda conspiracy.

moughoun
07-17-2004, 03:59 PM
The Iranians have gotten off "scot free" in the war on "terror". They still have to pay for their activities in Lebanon during the '80s, Khobar Towers, and not least the Embassy takeover. It now appears they are far closer to having nukes than Iraq. Will be interesting to see if the Administration wants to try another pre-emption.

No they won't, for a few siple reason's, the Iranian population is what 3 time's larger then Iraq's, unlike the Iraqi's the Iranian's do have a history of religious fanaticisim that put's most people to shame,their human mine clearing spring's to mind in the Iran Iraq war, they have a considerably more potent military then Iraq's and despite the BS that the Iranian's want to be like American's they don't they want to be Iranian's and they will fight anyone, even if that anyone is bringing democracy and sweetness, they have resisted outsider's for 3,000 year's and suffered a million+ casualties in the Iraq war, A dangerous people to be fooling around with

usa320
07-17-2004, 11:55 PM
It took a commissions of how many geniouses to figure this one out?

:cantbeli:

b.scheller
07-17-2004, 11:57 PM
next thing we know, we'll hear that josef stalin was really a cousin (twice removed) from gandhi and stalin...

god, these people are a joke...

One?
07-18-2004, 12:12 AM
It took a commissions of how many geniouses to figure this one out?

:cantbeli:

you obviosuly know sh*t about middle east cultures, politics, religion etc...

Al-Qaeda = Wahabis

Wahabis = kill shia

Iranians = shia

Therefore: Alqaeda would love to kill iranians.

Iran supported the northern alliance, the same people who fought the taliban. Why the hell would Iran support the same people that want them killed. Who the hell brainwashed you?


Forgot to add that Saudi Arabia funded Iraq along with other WAHABIS to fight iran because they were shia.

SeanAshi
07-18-2004, 12:14 AM
The al Qaeda terrorist giving themselves up in the Kingdom are coming from Iran. ;)

ShotOver
07-18-2004, 12:24 AM
Saddle up men, were heading off to Iran.

SeanAshi
07-18-2004, 12:34 AM
Saddle up men, were heading off to Iran.Nah lets just apply more and more santions on them.

SeanAshi
07-18-2004, 12:47 AM
Iran supported the northern alliance, the same people who fought the taliban. Why the hell would Iran support the same people that want them killed. Who the hell brainwashed you?
One don't forget that Iran and al-Qaeda share 2 common enemies...the Great Satan and lil'Satan. Some collaboration should come as no suprise. Tane, Iran hates us and President Bush isn't the reason. what the hell lets blame Jimmy Carter.

One?
07-18-2004, 03:06 AM
The al Qaeda terrorist giving themselves up in the Kingdom are coming from Iran. ;)


Because in Iran they are being "mistreated" in prisons.


And even though they share a common enemy, wahabis would never work with shia. To them they are infidels just like americans.

East
07-18-2004, 03:44 AM
Iran supported the northern alliance, the same people who fought the taliban. Why the hell would Iran support the same people that want them killed. Who the hell brainwashed you?
One don't forget that Iran and al-Qaeda share 2 common enemies...the Great Satan and lil'Satan. Some collaboration should come as no suprise. Tane, Iran hates us and President Bush isn't the reason. what the hell lets blame Jimmy Carter.
...If in doubt blame Carter :P

OB Kenobi
07-18-2004, 03:52 AM
Why doesn't the Bu$h administration just admit that Saudi Arabia is behind the terror?

Oh yes, I forgot, all that oil and $$$.

We invaded the wrong country, and the Neocons seem to want to repeat that mistake. As witnessed in Iraq, bringing "Democracy" to these people achieves nothing, since all they do is vote for Islam, and not Coca Cola.

Not that you even can achieve genuine Democracy there since the "terrorists" and former leaders still hold all the firepower and control the infrastructure.

We can easily defeat the Muslims by moving away from our dependence on oil, but the Bu$h administration is unwilling to do that either since it would mean the oil companies would no longer have such a monopoly on US energy.

Build more nuke plants, start transitioning to alternative and renewable fuel, oil is for terrorists and crooks.

OB Kenobi
07-18-2004, 03:53 AM
Regime change in Iran now in Bush’s sights


By Jenifer Johnston


PRESIDENT George Bush has promised that if re-elected in November he will make regime change in Iran his new target.

Bush named Iran as part of the Axis of Evil along with North Korea and Iraq almost three years ago. A US government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that military action would not be overt in changing Iran, but rather that the US would work to stir revolts in the country and hope to topple the current conservative religious leadership.

The official said: “If George Bush is re-elected there will be much more intervention in the internal affairs of Iran.”

The Iranian government announced this weekend that it had successfully eradicated all al-Qaeda cells operating in the country, but the statement comes as leaked reports from the US September 11 Commission show definite links between Iran and the September 11 terrorists.

The final report from the cross-party inquiry, which is examining the origins of the September 11 attacks, is believed to contain concrete evidence of contacts between al-Qaeda and Iran.

Time magazine reports that at least eight of the hijackers, who lived in the US for months before the attacks, passed through Iran between October 2000 and February 2001 apparently with help from the Iranian authorities.

Known al-Qaeda members also seem to have been allowed to cross in and out of Iran freely across the Afghan border, with Iranian border guards being told not to stamp the passports of al-Qaeda operatives, harass them or hinder their ability to travel freely.

The report is thought to hint that Iranian officials were ordered to assist al-Qaeda operatives with any travel needs.

The September 11 Commission report will, however, stop short of stating that Iran was aware of the plans for the September 11 attacks.

Tehran has always officially denied helping members of al-Qaeda escape from Afghan istan in 2001 when the Taliban regime fell.

State television in Iran yesterday showed the country’s intelligence minister announcing the capture of a number of al-Qaeda supporters.

Ali Yunesi said: “Iran’s intelligence apparatus has identified and arrested small Iranian deviate branches of the al-Qaeda group.” There was no clarification on how many people had been arrested or charged.

Yunesi warned that Iran would take a tough line against militants using Iran as a base. “Those who seek to misuse the safe situation in Iran will face serious consequences,” he said.

The Iranian government says it has arrested and repatriated hundreds of al-Qaeda suspects in the past two years in a display of willingness to bring terrorism in the Middle East under control.

A suspected Saudi al-Qaeda militant, Khaled al-Harbi, who appeared in a videotape with Osama bin Laden, gave himself up in Iran last week, and was flown back to Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.

On Friday US officials said the next stage of the September 11 Commission’s report would be available this week.

There was embarrassment for the Bush administration last week when it emerged a tight deadline was being pushed for the capture of Osama bin Laden to generate headlines during the Democratic Convention when presidential rival John Kerry will be grabbing the limelight.

Pakistani security forces have apparently been given deadlines to capture bin Laden that are before the US general election in November, according to US sources.

http://www.sundayherald.com/43461

SeanAshi
07-18-2004, 06:01 AM
Why doesn't the Bu$h administration just admit that Saudi Arabia is behind the terror?

Oh yes, I forgot, all that oil and $$$.
Oil is the reason why France Germany Russian and others didn't support the war, they wanted cheap oil, they were making lots and lots of cash off the black market. What about those deals that Chirac and Saddam had if he would not support the war in Iraq?

Tributal
07-18-2004, 06:39 AM
Damnit, why is everyone ignoring the fact that Al Queade at one point was indirectly sponsored by the one country that has expanded it's military force the most over the years - the U.S.? :cantbeli:


That, good folks, was sarcasm.

OB Kenobi
07-18-2004, 10:18 PM
Why doesn't the Bu$h administration just admit that Saudi Arabia is behind the terror?

Oh yes, I forgot, all that oil and $$$.
Oil is the reason why France Germany Russian and others didn't support the war, they wanted cheap oil, they were making lots and lots of cash off the black market. What about those deals that Chirac and Saddam had if he would not support the war in Iraq?

Ok, so why did we attack Iraq then? Just to stop France, Germany and Russia for profiting from that oil? You don't deny that Saudi Arabia is behind Al Qaeda, and Saddam was not.

usa320
07-18-2004, 11:46 PM
I heard that there is a very good possibilty of a massive air and naval blockade of Iran in comming months.

Tane Angle
07-18-2004, 11:53 PM
That's a good idea. :roll: Let's hope the decision-makers have thought about how much fun Iraq will be if we piss Iran off. We really should have picked a better nation to go into, this one's too full of problems and factors.

Romulus
07-18-2004, 11:57 PM
Let's hope the decision-makers have thought about how much fun Iraq will be if we piss Iran off.

Oh my let's not piss Iran off! :roll:

b.scheller
07-19-2004, 12:04 AM
yay..lets give the fundamentalists more reasons to attack... :roll:

Tane Angle
07-19-2004, 12:09 AM
Oh my let's not piss Iran off! :roll:

All I'm saying is that maybe we should wait until Iran can no longer so easily attack thousands of Americans, much less embarrass the US, before we start tangling with them. The fact is that Iran holds extremely noteworthy influence in Iraq. If actions are necessary, than by all mean, act, but let's think about the consequences before we run off half-cocked.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...