Somali pirates seize Indonesian chemical tanker

[cn_habs]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8437466.stm

[Andreas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6GpAnmAPU

[Russianlynxy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6GpAnmAPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSBoO4GzHaI

[dudski]

^HAHA^ Mister Pirate, Phalanx Ciws, Phalanx Ciws, Mister Pirate. Have a good time kids!

[Byrdalak]

Why is the world having such a hard time solving this problem? This is ridiculous. There's 100s of ways to take care of this, use convoys with escorts. Use sniper teams on the ships. Two well equipped guys on a deck chair with 50 cal sniper rifles could keep most of them at bay.

This is stupid. :bash: The pirates could be put out of business easily.

[dudski]

Why is the world having such a hard time solving this problem? This is ridiculous. There's 100s of ways to take care of this, use convoys with escorts. Use sniper teams on the ships. Two well equipped guys on a deck chair with 50 cal sniper rifles could keep most of them at bay.

This is stupid. :bash: The pirates could be put out of business easily.
Thats overdoing it 1 guy with and assault rifle and a few hundred rounds can hold of these guys for gods sake a bunch of guys floating around in a overloaded boat are pretty easy targets...

[Mastermind]

The world tolerate this because the world does not want to get involved with killing people of color. It is only political correctness that casues this behavior to be tolerated...the business people, all with important reputations and logos are timid to take necessary action against such a small and pitiful population. The bad PR is just not worth it...the conglomerates would much rather let their crews remain captives to such barbarians than do what is necessary. It is disgusting...but, that's just the way it is.

[Playtime]

Dead captain... RIP

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News
Somali pirates kill captain of hijacked tanker
AFP
Thursday, November 19, 2009


MOGADISHU, Somalia (AFP) - The captain of a chemical tanker captured by Somali pirates this week off the Seychelles with 28 North Koreans on board has died of his wounds after being shot, a pirate told AFP yesterday.
"The captain has passed away due to the injuries he sustained earlier," said Abdi Mohamoud Samatar, a pirate close to the gang which captured the MV Theresa VIII on Monday.
"He died of gunshot wounds," Samatar added.
It was not immediately clear whether the captain, whose nationality is unknown, sustained injuries during Monday's hijacking or after the vessel was seized.
"He was taken to Harardhere to get medical attention and was again returned to the ship while he was in bad condition," Samatar explained, referring to a coastal village in northern Somalia.
The tanker was hijacked some 180 nautical miles north-west of the Indian Ocean archipelago.
It was headed to the Kenyan port of Mombasa, but the pirates turned it around and headed north, the European Union's anti-piracy mission in the region said Tuesday.
The Virgin Islands-owned freighter is operated from Singapore.
Most of the attacks against foreign vessels by Somali pirates in the past month were carried out in or around the Seychelles exclusive economic zone.
The world's naval powers last year started deploying warships in the Gulf of Aden in an attempt to curb attacks by ransom-hunting pirates that were seen as a threat to one of the globe's most crucial maritime trade routes.
Pirate groups have since shifted their focus to the wider Indian Ocean, a huge area much more difficult to patrol, and started venturing as far as the Seychelles and beyond.
Earlier yesterday, gunmen attacked but failed to capture the US-flagged Maersk Alabama freighter some 350 nautical miles east of the lawless Horn of Africa, the EUNAVFOR mission said in a statement.
"The crew managed to repel the attack and no casualties were reported," it said, adding that a patrol aircraft from Djibouti was sent to investigate.

[Clockwinder]

R.I.P. Time to give these pric ks the slap they so richly deserve.
The navies are patrolling and yet have such a limited ROE that they can't detain or engage these arseholes unless directly threatened. Puleeeeze! Blow the fvkcs away - Don't ask, don't tell. If these guys were to disappear too bad, so sad.
We're told we can't engage them in their "ports" - why the fvck not?
As long as ransoms are paid, these ratbags will continue to take the risk. Don't pay, and kill them - They only understand force. They have nothing else.

[cn_habs]

R.I.P. Time to give these pric ks the slap they so richly deserve.
The navies are patrolling and yet have such a limited ROE that they can't detain or engage these arseholes unless directly threatened. Puleeeeze! Blow the fvkcs away - Don't ask, don't tell. If these guys were to disappear too bad, so sad.
We're told we can't engage them in their "ports" - why the fvck not?
As long as ransoms are paid, these ratbags will continue to take the risk. Don't pay, and kill them - They only understand force. They have nothing else.

Many governments are willing to give up a couple millions to save their citizens' lives because they don't want to be crucified at home. The use of force might be necessary unless we fix the mess in Somalia...

[Byrdalak]

The navies are patrolling and yet have such a limited ROE that they can't detain or engage these arseholes unless directly threatened.

I think this is a major problem, enforcement has to get tougher and the gloves have to be taken off. Not just on the ocean either, where is the ransom money going? Find out, get tough with the bankers/politicians/officials too. Don't just put the fear of god/allah into the pirates, put it into the whole network.

The only reason this is being done is because there's not just Somali teenagers making money, what do they get for themselves? Not a lot I guarantee you that. I doubt its just Somalis doing this, Yemenis and other east Africans are doing it also.

[arjuna]

shooting boys in speedboats with .50 cals will do nothing to solve the problem of piracy in somali waters.

somali piracy is merely a symptom of the problems on land.

here's a good start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5K6n5C6jQ

[Mastermind]

shooting boys in speedboats with .50 cals will do nothing to solve the problem of piracy in somali waters.

somali piracy is merely a symptom of the problems on land.

here's a good start:



I disagree. Besides, they are ranging far outside of "Somali waters".

A .50 Ma Deuce HB is exactly the correct medicine for these thugs. If the Chemical Tanker just hijacked and it's Captain murdered had been so armed, I think the outcome would have been different...at least, the Captain (RIP) and his crew would have stood a fighting chance. I would far rather see dead idiot stick Muslim pirate than dead hard working legitimate sea farers.

It is now time to blockade Somali waters...to hell with their fishing rights...let the fishermen solve the problem of pirates...then they can go back to fishing.

[arjuna]

I disagree. Besides, they are ranging far outside of "Somali waters".

A .50 Ma Deuce HB is exactly the correct medicine for these thugs. If the Chemical Tanker just hijacked and it's Captain murdered had been so armed, I think the outcome would have been different...at least, the Captain (RIP) and his crew would have stood a fighting chance. I would far rather see dead idiot stick Muslim pirate than dead hard working legitimate sea farers.

It is now time to blockade Somali waters...to hell with their fishing rights...let the fishermen solve the problem of pirates...then they can go back to fishing.



its funny in a self-exposing kind of way because its so offensive...but its also sad because you're serious.
:cantbeli:

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Just goes to show that shipping companies still regards it's employees as expendable. If the shipping company had any regard for it's employees they would be using alternative routes.

[Red_Fern]

its funny in a self-exposing kind of way because its so offensive...but its also sad because you're serious.
:cantbeli:

How is it sad that he's approving of the right for otherwise helpless crews to defend themselves?

I agree with Mastermind. I'd rather see a scum of the earth terrorist dead than someone merely doing their legitimate job trying to earn a living be killed.

And he's right, it's a GREAT cure for it. Kill the pirates, and maybe their knuckleheaded brethren on-shore will get the picture and stay there.

[Clockwinder]

Like I said before - out at sea - out of sight -blow the fvckers away. Don't ask, don't tell. Suspicious - oops sorry, it just went off.

[arjuna]

How is it sad that he's approving of the right for otherwise helpless crews to defend themselves?

I agree with Mastermind. I'd rather see a scum of the earth terrorist dead than someone merely doing their legitimate job trying to earn a living be killed.

And he's right, it's a GREAT cure for it. Kill the pirates, and maybe their knuckleheaded brethren on-shore will get the picture and stay there.

ya i mean put a few guards on boats sure. protect the crews.

its not a cure though. its a temporary fix of a symptom. no matter how many pirates u kill, thousands more will be all the more eager to take their place.

i'm jus sayin the problem will persist until the situation on land changes.

its a lil simplistic to think putting guns on boats and killing x amount of people will solve the prob.

[kalerab]

I disagree. Besides, they are ranging far outside of "Somali waters".

A .50 Ma Deuce HB is exactly the correct medicine for these thugs. If the Chemical Tanker just hijacked and it's Captain murdered had been so armed, I think the outcome would have been different...at least, the Captain (RIP) and his crew would have stood a fighting chance. I would far rather see dead idiot stick Muslim pirate than dead hard working legitimate sea farers.

It is now time to blockade Somali waters...to hell with their fishing rights...let the fishermen solve the problem of pirates...then they can go back to fishing.

Have you ever think why the pirate activites on the Somali coast had arose just in past few years? Why does more than 70 percent of Somali population support pirates? And what the hell was done to Somali enviroment? Most of these pirates are ex-fishermans, most of the fishes which were in the Somali sea are gone, more than 300 tons of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is beeig stolen every year by illegal sailiing of foreign ships into Somali seas and the enviroment is fvked for next few centuries because mainly criminal orgnizations of western countries (comorra stakeholders are probably the best in this job) were dumping tons and tons of nuclear waste to their waters. After 2005 tsunami ****load of them were washen to the shore, people were dying and not just few of them, we´re talking about at least 300 reported deaths. Try, from time to time, stop and ask yourself why does these situations occur, belive me, it helps a lot.

[Mastermind]

So, they chose to just go out and become murdering thugs?...that's bull ****! They could have done a lot of things rather than turn to piracy on the high seas. No one has the right to do that...No one! Pirates should be shot on sight and I don't give a hoot about how poor they are or what a bad child hood they experienced.

[arjuna]

So, they chose to just go out and become murdering thugs?...that's bull ****! They could have done a lot of things rather than turn to piracy on the high seas. No one has the right to do that...No one! Pirates should be shot on sight and I don't give a hoot about how poor they are or what a bad child hood they experienced.

:cantbeli:
what else could they do?

get a part time job at subway? or maybe take some community college classes? its somalia for **** sake.

[kalerab]

So, they chose to just go out and become murdering thugs?...that's bull ****! They could have done a lot of things rather than turn to piracy on the high seas. No one has the right to do that...No one! Pirates should be shot on sight and I don't give a hoot about how poor they are or what a bad child hood they experienced.

You´re talking here about some fishermans which should deal with them. That is a BS, there are no fishermans in Somalia because there is nothing to catch, if you don´t know these basics how can you make some assumptions about the situation there. The pirates have to be close down, I never said that they shouldn´t but West have to take immiadiate actions and undo what they´ve done. And nothing, nothing since 93 have been done, no country has ever stepped against this, no media ever brought this to attention. How in the all hells is possible that after tsunami hundreds of toxic barells were washed to the beaches of Somalia, kids were playing aournd them and yet media didn´t give it any attention? First pirates were organized fishermans on speedboats which were protecting the coastline from illegal fishing and because this is Somalia we´re talking about, soon goons, warlords, thugs etc. came and this new era of piracy begun. If you won´t solve the source of the problem, you can shoot from your personal .50 Ma Deuce HB all day long but it won´t change a damn thing.

[Mastermind]

:cantbeli:
what else could they do?

get a part time job at subway? or maybe take some community college classes? its somalia for **** sake.
It is a place populated by idiots who have allowed themselves to live in a cess pool of their own making. The world tried to help...and they spit in the hand extended...screw them. They now reap what the sowed...No one will venture forth because of what happened in '91...they have made their bed.

[arjuna]

It is a place populated by idiots who have allowed themselves to live in a cess pool of their own making. The world tried to help...and they spit in the hand extended...screw them. They now reap what the sowed...No one will venture forth because of what happened in '91...they have made their bed.

hmm...pax americana-tinted glasses on, i see.

[kalerab]

It is a place populated by idiots who have allowed themselves to live in a cess pool of their own making. The world tried to help...and they spit in the hand extended...screw them. They now reap what the sowed...No one will venture forth because of what happened in '91...they have made their bed.

What do you think will happen if you throw sh1ts into the sh1thole?
I can tell that it won´t change into the main hall of Versaille.

You live in the land where biggest problem of 14 years old girl is when the new season of Hannah Montana will be aired.
In Somalia 14 years old girls are waiting for their first kid, lot of them are beeing beaten to the death and they know that they will die in next 10 years because of the AIDS. And no, you don´t want to hear about the boys at the same age.

And you´re comparing these two enviroments? What can I say beside - typical american.

[Red_Fern]

And you´re comparing these two enviroments? What can I say beside - typical american.

That really rubs me the wrong way.

These pirate/warlord/dictators do nothing but mooch, steal and thrive off everyone else while pretending to be grateful, then turn around and stab the backs of those helping them out, and only furthering their problems.

We tried to help those sorry sacks of sh*t and they bit the hand that fed them. We attempted to deliver food, provide aid and even depose the warlord who was causing the suffering, and what do they do?

Shoot down two of our helicopters and kill 19 of our soldiers.

And once you got soldiers getting killed while simply trying to help some people out, all that diplomacy and playing nice sh*t goes right out the window.

How would YOU have handled it?

[Byrdalak]

It is now time to blockade Somali waters...to hell with their fishing rights...let the fishermen solve the problem of pirates...then they can go back to fishing.

Then the factory trawlers return and destroy the fishing. Rinse repeat. Somalia needs a coast guard.

Fishing is a factor in this. those boys in the boats are desperate but we can't forget the people who hire them, we need to track them down and take them out. Along with anyone who deals with them. We should perhaps forbid shipping companies to pay the ransoms too. There is no one easy solution to this mess.

[cn_habs]

Those shipping companies will never install any CIWS or carry weapons on board. The international forces should be more aggressive.

[arjuna]

That really rubs me the wrong way.

We attempted to deliver food, provide aid and even depose the warlord who was causing the suffering, and what do they do?

Shoot down two of our helicopters and kill 19 of our soldiers.

How would YOU have handled it?


the helicopters were shot-down only after US forces shot tomahawks into innocent crowds. what do u think was going to happen after that? ticker tape parade?

[Red_Fern]

Tomahawks at civilians? You make me laugh.

As much as I've read and researched on the Battle of Mogadishu, I've yet to hear this.

And even if it did happen, we kicked their asses so they got their just dues.

I stand by what I said to begin with: If they shoot at crews, crews shoot back. It's a BIG ocean, quite easy to hide a couple idiot terrorists in.

[Clockwinder]

the helicopters were shot-down only after US forces shot tomahawks into innocent crowds. what do u think was going to happen after that? ticker tape parade?
What's life like in that bubble? And what planet are you speaking from? Do you know what a Tomahawk is???

[OrangeWolf]

@kalerab

Listen funny guy how did you poll the Somalians on their views on piracy, how would you or anyone know a rough percentage of Somalians who support them? More than 70%, you just randomly typed a number or something?

EDIT: aren't some Somalis supposed to get all pissed off now because Indonesian ships probably belong to a Muslim owner?

[arjuna]

What's life like in that bubble? And what planet are you speaking from? Do you know what a Tomahawk is???

lolz actually i have no idea what a tomahawk is. missile? meant to say long cylinder thing that flies and blows stuff up.

pirate=terrorist?

conveniently expanding definitions ftw!!

[Red_Fern]

You don't even know what it is and you're sitting there trying to say we launched them at civilians?

You've yet to back up your "evidence" that we intentionally Tomahawked civilians...

[arjuna]

You don't even know what it is and you're sitting there trying to say we launched them at civilians?

You've yet to back up your "evidence" that we intentionally Tomahawked civilians...

yah i was using 'tomahawk' as generic missile. i have no clue what missiles are called.

edit--meant to say TOW missile. 16 of them. which killed 73 clan elders. discussing peace strategies.

[Red_Fern]

yah i was using 'tomahawk' as generic missile. i have no clue what missiles are called.

edit--meant to say i was talking out of my ass and have no hard facts for the argument which i've presented.

Citation, please?

Again, in all the things I've read, I have never come across anything that states we shot any kind of missile onto any kind of peace meeting.

[arjuna]

Citation, please?

Again, in all the things I've read, I have never come across anything that states we shot any kind of missile onto any kind of peace meeting.

look it up mayne u can find info about it newhere. i read about it in a book.

US mistook a meeting of clan elders for Aidid. kill alotta innocent people. directly afterwards somali mob kills 4 foreign journalists attempting to cover the story. then later somalis shootdown helicopters, kill americans. then US leaves.

[Red_Fern]

look it up mayne u can find info about it newhere. i read about it in a book.

US mistook a meeting of clan elders for Aidid. kill alotta innocent people. directly afterwards somali mob kills 4 foreign journalists attempting to cover the story. then later somalis shootdown helicopters, kill americans. then US leaves.

You're still avoiding the question.

A SPECIFIC SOURCE, detailing and chronicling said incident!

It wasn't as simple as choppers shot down, we leave. You've a lot to learn if you think that's how it did happen.

[kalerab]

@kalerab

Listen funny guy how did you poll the Somalians on their views on piracy, how would you or anyone know a rough percentage of Somalians who support them? More than 70%, you just randomly typed a number or something?

EDIT: aren't some Somalis supposed to get all pissed off now because Indonesian ships probably belong to a Muslim owner?

http://wardheernews.com/Editorial/editorial_54.html

-The funny guy

PS: Glad to see some serious arguments from your side.

[arjuna]

You're still avoiding the question.

A SPECIFIC SOURCE, detailing and chronicling said incident!

It wasn't as simple as choppers shot down, we leave. You've a lot to learn if you think that's how it did happen.

lawlz. im 2 lazy to look it up n post it here. if u dnt think it happened, whatevs. p-)

Hos (frgt last name) and Dan Eldon were the names of 2 of the 4 reporters killed following the incident. google their names and i betcha ull find smthng

ur rite...it wasnt that simple. you could say my version of events was...a simplification, if u will. (or even if u won't)

[CaptMorgan68]

What's life like in that bubble? And what planet are you speaking from? Do you know what a Tomahawk is???

you seem to be of the opinion that anyone who lives outside of the US is living in a bubble) and that ain't so! it's not the first time i see you ask ppl that question... they got the internet and can read english so they aint living in no bubble no more even if they browse the web from an internet cafe in Zimbabwe...

as far as the pirates hijacking boats I bet this is only going to get worse since IMHO certain European and Asian nations are very much interested in the price of shipping increasing .. it's not like anyone is behind the Somalis but some nations are too eager to shell out the cash when a boat is captured.. this business is a booming one and will only attract more ppl... notice there has not been a single attempt at taking a boat captured by Somalis by force.. i wonder why that is.. must be logistics problems or some other BS reason like that

[Clockwinder]

you seem to be of the opinion that anyone who lives outside of the US is living in a bubble) and that ain't so! it's not the first time i see you ask ppl that question... they got the internet and can read english so they aint living in no bubble no more even if they browse the web from an internet cafe in Zimbabwe...

as far as the pirates hijacking boats I bet this is only going to get worse since IMHO certain European and Asian nations are very much interested in the price of shipping increasing .. it's not like anyone is behind the Somalis but some nations are too eager to shell out the cash when a boat is captured.. this business is a booming one and will only attract more ppl... notice there has not been a single attempt at taking a boat captured by Somalis by force.. i wonder why that is.. must be logistics problems or some other BS reason like that
I use the bubble reference to be nicer than saying the particular person is an ignorant ill-informed unfortunate who uses the forum to apply unverified, untrue opinion and guesswork, with no basis in fact and cannot back anything up with references or valid sources. It has zero to do with location, ethnicity, nationality. There are many very very intelligent, erudite, educated, professional and experienced people on here from all over the world. I would rather converse with them than the morons who purport to know something, when they obviously don't.
IMHO, the pirates should be "disappeared" at sea.

[Red_Fern]

lawlz. im 2 lazy to look it up n post it here. because i'm taking the piss. if u dnt think it happened that way, whatevs. you're most likely right p-)

Hos (frgt last name) and Dan Eldon were the names of 2 of the 4 reporters killed following the incident. google their names and i betcha ull find smthng

ur rite...it wasnt that simple. you could say my version of events was...a piss-poor attempt at trying to look smart, if u will. (or even if u won't) i'm still a piss-taker

Dan Eldon was killed by a mob of Somalians nearly three months before the Battle of Mogadishu even happened.

And the "raid" to which you refer was carried out on a known Aidi stronghold, not some random civilian building. It's not the UNs fault that the slimebag was hiding (like a coward) when it happened.

[CaptMorgan68]

I use the bubble reference to be nicer than saying the particular person is an ignorant ill-informed unfortunate who uses the forum to apply unverified, untrue opinion and guesswork, with no basis in fact and cannot back anything up with references or valid sources. It has zero to do with location, ethnicity, nationality. There are many very very intelligent, erudite, educated, professional and experienced people on here from all over the world. I would rather converse with them than the morons who purport to know something, when they obviously don't.
IMHO, the pirates should be "disappeared" at sea.

They should be... But despite all the talk no one is really addressing this problem in any meaningful way

[ggk]

You're still avoiding the question.

A SPECIFIC SOURCE, detailing and chronicling said incident!

It wasn't as simple as choppers shot down, we leave. You've a lot to learn if you think that's how it did happen.

i think he is refering to this



What the U.N. could do is kill a lot of Habr Gidr clansman. On July 12, months before the Ranger raid, in an incident unremarked in all the Black Hawk Down hype, U.S. and U.N. forces attacked a Habr Gidr clan meeting. The meeting included clan elders, intellectuals, poets. It was held at the house of Aideed's self-styled "defense" minister, but included Habr Gidr members who planned to argue against Aideed's anti-U.N. stance. Indeed, the meeting had been called to consider a Howe "peace initiative," according to Bowden. Instead, as reported by the Washington Post's Keith Richburg (http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=0M61WOB8VH&mscssid=W67D5M7XFW699JWW8UF6VB9VCQCRE3P9&isbn=0156005832):


[I]t was a slaughter. A half-dozen Cobras pumped sixteen TOW missiles and two thousand rounds of cannon fire into the house with deadly accuracy. First they blew away the stairwell to prevent anyone from escaping. … A video taken just after the attack showed the mangled bodies literally blown apart in the attack—the religious leaders, the elders, even the women in their colorful wrap dresses who were always on hand to serve the tea.
Somali crowds, enraged by the attack, immediately turned on four Western journalists who had gone to cover it, killing them.
The July 12 massacre caused the entire Habr Gidr clan—and some other clans—to rally behind Aideed (which helps explain why, when the Black Hawk goes down, the whole city seems to surround and attack the crew). The massacre turned Richburg—who despised Aideed as "evil" and had egged on the U.N.—against the whole Somalia operation. Another bloody battle in September, in which women and children were killed, apparently disturbed President Clinton, who launched a muddled peace initiative designed to somehow include Aideed in negotiations. But the get-Aideed orders to the Rangers were never revoked—resulting in the Oct. 3 raid


anyway what is black hawk down have got to do with piracy?

[Victor1]

I fear the day when Al Qaeda decides to seize a LPG tanker and explode it in some port in america.

[kalerab]

I fear the day when Al Qaeda decides to seize a LPG tanker and explode it in some port in america.

That´s little bit far-fetched, wouldn´t you say so?

[ggk]

I fear the day when Al Qaeda decides to seize a LPG tanker and explode it in some port in america.

for what? thats bad for their business...

[Red_Fern]

anyway what is black hawk down have got to do with piracy?

Earlier in the thread, it was discussed that pirates aren't a problem of the sea, but a product of the situation on land.

[Mastermind]

What do you think will happen if you throw sh1ts into the sh1thole?
I can tell that it won´t change into the main hall of Versaille.

You live in the land where biggest problem of 14 years old girl is when the new season of Hannah Montana will be aired.
In Somalia 14 years old girls are waiting for their first kid, lot of them are beeing beaten to the death and they know that they will die in next 10 years because of the AIDS. And no, you don´t want to hear about the boys at the same age.

And you´re comparing these two enviroments? What can I say beside - typical american.
Yes, Typical American and proud of it. What is wrong with wanting the oceans to be free of terrorism? Who in their right mind would justify terrorism because some dumb bloke has decided it is the only way he can raise money? How does it justify terrorism on the high seas because some retarded and antiquated Islamic society has failed it's citizens and allows 14 year old girls to marry and get pregnant?

As an American I want freedom of all people to be able to travel the world in international water without fear of being taken hostage or being murdered by a bunch of low life thugs with rusty AK-47s and RPGs. I would think any citizen of any nation of civilized virtue would want the same thing. I would think anyone who does not want that would have to be a "Typical Leftist Idiot!"

[arjuna]

How does it justify terrorism on the high seas because some retarded and antiquated Islamic society has failed it's citizens and allows 14 year old girls to marry and get pregnant?

u sound s00000per intelligent here p-)p-). (these smiley r so relevant for this thread)


As an American I want freedom of all people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZF5wpntXsk

[Victor1]

That´s little bit far-fetched, wouldn´t you say so?

I do hope they think the same.

[Clockwinder]

u sound s00000per intelligent here p-)p-). (these smiley r so relevant for this thread)


I hope you enjoyed your short time here.

[deagle]

just hope they didn't make off with any dangerous chemicals though

[kecemplunglagi]

AFAIK, according to UNCLOS, you cannot arm a civilian vessel. We can however put things to deter, like live electrical wires on ship's fence (railings) and hose anybody who try to get on board with jet-speed water. Of course, escort by Navy vessels is always the best option.

There was a company who (try) to provide "security service" for ships crossing Malacca Strait some years ago. They had a kind of mothership and some helicopters with armed personnel. Didn't last long, they were deemed illegal. (Sorry, can't provide links on that source, already forget).

[ggk]

Y How does it justify terrorism on the high seas because some retarded and antiquated Islamic society has failed it's citizens and allows 14 year old girls to marry and get pregnant?

"

mmmmm why didnt you mention Hindu...or Tibetan or the Penan? i mean its a problem shared by gajilion of people .....(dark cloud coming)

[Byrdalak]

Yes, Typical American and proud of it. What is wrong with wanting the oceans to be free of terrorism? Who in their right mind would justify terrorism because some dumb bloke has decided it is the only way he can raise money? How does it justify terrorism on the high seas because some retarded and antiquated Islamic society has failed it's citizens and allows 14 year old girls to marry and get pregnant?

As an American I want freedom of all people to be able to travel the world in international water without fear of being taken hostage or being murdered by a bunch of low life thugs with rusty AK-47s and RPGs. I would think any citizen of any nation of civilized virtue would want the same thing. I would think anyone who does not want that would have to be a "Typical Leftist Idiot!"

What's the solution? We can talk about morals and religion and values all day, what it comes down too is the teenagers of Somalia (whom a lot of these pirates are) have grown up with warfare, hunger, no hope, no education and basically nothing to lose. In Somalia a young man isn't going to get rich by being an upstanding citizen in the eyes of the world. Al-Q is growing there, it's spreading to other places and all of them are poor countries where people have next to nothing.
Do some research on the ruling family of Yemen, they control the country and live lavishly while a lot of Yemenis barely have enough to drink. There are Somali warlords who they have contacts with, there are Yemeni smugglers and pirates too. I also heard on the news that a lot of that ransom money is going to Kenya and buying real estate there. WTF?

You can kill every Somali out there and you won't get anywhere. You can do it repeatedly and it still won't work. If you have an abscessed rotten tooth you can use antibiotics to kill the infection and it will be okay for a few days or a week but the infection will return. You have to either repair or remove the tooth to stop the cycle.

I think we need to remove the rotten teeth in that area of the world and it isn't Somali teenagers. The problem is the world doesn't have the huevos to do it.

[Mastermind]

Becasue we are talking about Somali Pirates here...not India Priates. And, last I heard, there were no Tibetan Priates.

[cn_habs]

Becasue we are talking about Somali Pirates here...not India Priates. And, last I heard, there were no Tibetan Priates.

India? Tibet is nowhere near the sea/ocean. :lol:

Enough derailing the subject.

[Holmes85]

India? Tibet is nowhere near the sea/ocean. :lol:

Enough derailing the subject.

This thread derailed a long time ago.

[eskachig]

The only reason this is being done is because there's not just Somali teenagers making money, what do they get for themselves? Not a lot I guarantee you that. I doubt its just Somalis doing this, Yemenis and other east Africans are doing it also.Actually from what I hear, not only is the loot divided in ancient pirate fashion, but there is also a revenue sharing program whereby an outside person may 'invest' in a pirate operation and share in the booty.

[makavelli]

shooting boys in speedboats with .50 cals will do nothing to solve the problem of piracy in somali waters.

somali piracy is merely a symptom of the problems on land.

here's a good start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5K6n5C6jQ

well, if it comes from the land then i think Kopassus should start to involve...
i know west wont even kill a bird for this issue, and those Indonesians wont hesitate to do that...
if the whole country's useless...and there are no use for its existence...am i right?

with the current economic and political conditions, i dont think somali still have a ground to exist.

[Sootan]

well, if it comes from the land then i think Kopassus should start to involve...
i know west wont even kill a bird for this issue, and those Indonesians wont hesitate to do that...
if the whole country's useless...and there are no use for its existence...am i right?

with the current economic and political conditions, i dont think somali still have a ground to exist.

It wasn't even an Indonesian ship. Mostly Indonesian cew, yes. But not the ship.

[Sootan]

Actually from what I hear, not only is the loot divided in ancient pirate fashion, but there is also a revenue sharing program whereby an outside person may 'invest' in a pirate operation and share in the booty.

Ah, yes. The pirate stock exchange :lol: