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Wimbly
01-09-2010, 01:24 PM
Its quite amazing to watch the economy continue to sink to new depths and yet the news out there is till pretty rosy. Its quite a shift from 5% unemployment under Bush and the hyperbolic dooms day scenarios we were treated with day in and out.

From the AP:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ECONOMY_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-01-08-21-59-34

Obama refocuses on jobs after weak labor report
By TOM RAUM
Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/Gerald Herbert

http://te.ap.org/tte/blank.gif?0.5671279074679813&snippet_version=1.3.a&referrer=http%3A//newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/01/09/ap-bad-jobs-report-good-thing-obama-enables-him-change-subject-terrorism&page=http%3A//hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ECONOMY_OBAMA%3FSITE%3DAP%26SECTION%3DHOME%26TEMPLATE%3DDEFAULT%26CTIME%3D2010-01-08-21-59-34&timezone=300&var_SECTION=BUSINESS WASHINGTON (AP) -- His agenda altered by the Christmas bombing attempt, President Barack Obama pivoted back to the domestic economy on Friday, promoting new U.S. spending to create tens of thousands of clean-technology jobs.
So the AP is spinning it as a chance for Obama to "refocus" on clean energy jobs. Aside from the obvious positive spin AP is putting on for their man, how in the world are "clean jobs" going to fix 10% unemployment. Why is the media so confident in getting behind something as nebulous as "green jobs"? Under Bush the same News agency was trashing the president for 5% unemployment and only 900,000 new jobs!

If you read the whole article it pulls the typical MSM plays out of painting Republicans as mean old white guy who just don't like Obama. Even though Democrats also have some problems with how Obama is doing things. The author also seems to focus more on growing government than creating jobs.

The New York Times is also getting in on the lap dog defense of the party in power. Its starts with the ridiculous headline: "Obama Tries to Turn Focus to Jobs, if Other Events Allow". There is that focus word again. It seems to be the talking point the MSM is going with. Imagine the NYT and MSM making excuses for Bush like this. It would never happen in a million years!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/business/economy/09assess.html

President Obama keeps trying to turn attention to “jobs, jobs, jobs,” as his chief of staff has put it. But he is finding that it can be hard to focus on any one issue when so many demand attention, often unexpectedly.Awwww, poor Obama. The guy wants to do a good job, but reality keeps rearing its ugly head. They also point out that its "hard". Imagine that, being president is hard. Funny we never heard such ridiculous defense of Bush from the same people. The pathetic piece goes on.....



Meanwhile, the world keeps intruding as Mr. Obama tries to execute his promised pivot.


No sooner was the president home on Monday from his Hawaiian holiday break than he was closeted for days at the White House with his national security team, on responses to the foiled Christmas Day airliner attack.


With House and Senate Democrats now in the home stretch of their negotiations for a compromise on health care legislation, he will have to be more directly involved than ever before in those gritty legislative details.


Anita Dunn, until recently Mr. Obama’s communications director, said that when the health care bill was completed, “that will give the administration more space to really communicate to the American people about those things that have been done and that the president continues to push forward on to make the economy work for middle-class families.”


Mr. Obama, in his Friday afternoon statement on the job numbers, called them a reminder “that we have to continue to work every single day to get our economy moving again. For most Americans, and for me, that means jobs.”The problem is that the work hes doing is making things worse. Dont count on the media to inform you of this though. They're too busy running defense for this administration. If Obama wanted jobs we would be doing things to help small business and give people back more of their money. Instead hes coming up with new taxes based on a religion, growing government and taking over industry. None of these is going to spur job creation. It will on the other hand advance a leftist agenda.

CNN is also getting with the program and making excuses for Obama, instead of being critical. It made perfect sense under Bush, but now they suddenly think its best to just agree and promote whatever Obama wants to do.



As an example of actual journalism, the Dow Jones newswire gave an objective summary (http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/article.aspx?StoryId=14c63b70-f8ba-49ab-831c-e71a95b4a4d9) of the ADP report that included more information. December's numbers showed a temporary boost for jobs in customer service, mostly due to extra shopping for Christmas and Hanukkah, while other industries kept shrinking. Worse yet, even with the retail hiring, there was still more overall loss than what experts had predicted.

By contrast, nowhere did CNN's article explain exactly how persistent layoffs were a sign of good times to come, nor did the writers ask how these predictions seemed to be wrong so often. In fact, speculation about the future was a tangled mess throughout the piece.http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/06/news/economy/job_cuts/index.htm


In some welcome news on the job front, the pace of U.S. job losses eased in December, according to two reports released Wednesday.


Automatic Data Processing (ADP (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=ADP&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/snapshots/2227.html?source=story_f500_link)), a payroll-processing firm, said private-sector employers cut 84,000 jobs in December, the fewest since March 2008.


It was the ninth straight month that job losses narrowed from the previous month. The number of cuts in November was revised down to 145,000 from the previously reported 169,000.
Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast a loss of 75,000 jobs in December.




Its quite a shift from economic reporting by CNN under Bush. Then in 2006, when unemployment went as low as 4.7%, instead of celebrating the end of recession fears, CNN found a way (http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/03/news/economy/jobs_january/index.htm) .

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/03/news/economy/jobless_august/index.htm


The drop in unemployment was the latest sign of a tightening labor market, which could put upward pressure on wages and prices in the months ahead.

On Wall Street, stocks fell as investors worried that the report makes further interest rate hikes by the Federal Reserve more likely.

Jeoff Hall, the chief U.S. economist for Thomson Financial, agreed that the unemployment rate could bounce back up in coming months as those now not counted as in the labor force start to look for or find jobs.

Actually, when reporting a tough economy under Democratic leadership, CNN's strategy seemed to be ignoring President Obama's influence altogether. The bright future of 10% unemployment did not mention a single politician or any thought of the drastic measures recently taken to stimulate the economy.

Panchito12
01-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Change We Can Believe In:oops:

Fade
01-09-2010, 02:05 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/2dlrm90.jpg

StukaJr
01-09-2010, 02:26 PM
I've ran for the hills - have you?

Laworkerbee
01-09-2010, 04:32 PM
I've ran for the hills - have you?

You're place is where I'm falling back too. :)

FlintHillBilly
01-09-2010, 04:38 PM
EVERYTHING IS OKAY! WE WILL BE FINE. We have highly skilled professionals controlling the economy and dealing with this epic problem!!!! Lol

Panchito12
01-09-2010, 04:59 PM
EVERYTHING IS OKAY! WE WILL BE FINE. We have highly skilled professionals controlling the economy and dealing with this epic problem!!!! Lol

Next GOP commercial ought to say: DUDE! WHERE'S MY JOB??

skyeye
01-09-2010, 05:11 PM
Nice analysis of Obama's incompetence and the MSM's lame defense. The amature in the White House is finding out what the term "multitasking" means. Big difference between community organizing and global politics. Voting present is no longer an option.

MaNiC
01-09-2010, 05:26 PM
Jobs has always been a lagging factor, this is nothing new. Furthermore, the green jobs investment is a medium to long term initiative which will make us less energy independent and that can only be a good thing.

But speaking of jobs:


National healthcare legislation in Congress could slow the growth of medical costs, allowing employers to create 250,000 to 400,000 new jobs a year over the next decade, economists from Harvard University and USC are predicting.

Wading into the hotly debated issue of whether the legislation is a job creator or a job killer, researchers from the two universities say that the reforms under consideration would slow the rate of cost increases and free up money for companies to raise wages and hire more workers.

Specifically, healthcare savings could be achieved through proposals for greater competition in insurance markets, better coordination of care and shrinking administrative expenses, they said in a report to be released today. With those changes, employers could then reallocate money now spent on ever-growing premiums to other business priorities.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/01/pdf/health_care_jobs.pdf

I think that this year we will see a healthy (pun intended) recovery in job creation. And by the time Obama is up for re-election all of these early investments will pay off big time.

^ You can quote me on that.

PS - The criticism from the right this past year has been nothing but pathetic if you ask me. The best criticism of Obama has ironically come from moderates and liberals. The GOP is nothing but a mess with the same over-simplified "solutions" for any crisis: Tax cuts, prosecute everybody in a military tribunal, and more tax cuts for the wealthy. :roll:

Wimbly
01-09-2010, 05:29 PM
PS - The criticism from the right this past year has been nothing but pathetic if you ask me. The best criticism of Obama has ironically come from moderates and liberals. The GOP is nothing but a mess with the same over-simplified "solutions" for any crisis: Tax cuts, prosecute everybody in a military tribunal, and more tax cuts for the wealthy. :roll:

How can you say that when the economy under Republicans was nowhere near this bad? Hell, the housing loan crisis was a creation of Democrats! The reporting of the economy by the media was much worse to be sure.

By the way you know Americanprogress is a self identified liberal group right?


Nice analysis of Obama's incompetence and the MSM's lame defense. The amature in the White House is finding out what the term "multitasking" means. Big difference between community organizing and global politics. Voting present is no longer an option.

Yeah, I don't see how someone can look at the reporting then and now, but still claim that somehow the Democrats are doing a better job with the economy. They have been in control for nearly 4 years now and te media still focuses like a laser beam on Republicans. Which I think is done on purpose so that people will continue to blame Republicans and keep Democrat numbers up.

MaNiC
01-09-2010, 05:45 PM
How can you say that when the economy under Republican rule was nowhere near this bad? Hell, the housing loan crisis was a creation of Democrats! The reporting of the economy was much worse to be sure.

A high Dow Jones Industrial average doesn't mean that things were just peachy. The American people have been struggling with stagnating wages and increases in their health care premiums, and so on for a long time now. Most middle-class people have to go so far as getting two jobs just to be able to pay the bills. Meanwhile the Republicans answer to all of this is their infamous "trickle-down" economic theory of tax cuts which has been proved time and time again to be nothing but a scam.

I don't mind serious conservative criticism (i.e. Ron Paul, etc.), but let's be honest here, the majority of Republicans live on a different planet when it comes to understanding the major issues that this country faces. And they even haven't been true to their own principles as the Bush administration was one of the most fiscal irresponsible presidency in modern history. Almost everything they passed wasn't paid for.


By the way you know Americanprogress is a self identified liberal group right?

Shock! Really?! The horror of it all! I guess we should just discard everything they say in that case and listen to experts such as Hannity and Glenn Beck. Good point, thanks for catching that for me buddy. Whew!

Wimbly
01-09-2010, 05:48 PM
A high Dow Jones Industrial average doesn't mean that things were just peachy.

Who said anything about the DOW? I'm talking about jobs.....


the Bush administration was one of the most fiscal irresponsible presidency in modern history. Almost everything they passed wasn't paid for.Yeah great, Obama and Democrats are in charge now. Have been for a while. Democrats and Obama are killing the economy. His stimulus was supposed to create all these jobs, so were are they? Why was 5% unemployment grounds to attack Bush in 2006, but 10% unemployment now is evidence of a bright future?



Shock! Really?! The horror of it all! I guess we should just discard everything they say in that case and listen to experts such as Hannity and Glenn Beck. Good point, thanks for catching that for me buddy. Whew!Those guys are pretty bias too. http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4830/emotughh.gif

I guess your logic is that your bias is the correct one? The reoccurring theme of your posts here have been, "They did it, so its ok that we do it".

kc135cc
01-09-2010, 07:01 PM
You do realize the economy and job loss started over a year prior to the current administration...But somehow that means that Bush and his cronies had nothing to do with the failing economy. If the all the naysayers would actually say or do something constructive, something might happen, but we all have to fixated on why Obama is so terrible. It took years to **** the economy, Democrat, or Republican in office, your not going to fix it over night.

OrangeWolf
01-09-2010, 07:06 PM
They took r jobs!

http://kevinfamous.com/Videos/they%20took%20er%20jobs.jpg

MaNiC
01-09-2010, 08:44 PM
Wimbly, the thing with most Republicans is that their ideology is so absurd that when somebody says anything that does not agree with it 100%, they label it as "liberal bias", or "un-American" (whatever that means of course).

What I'm saying is that by the end of the current administration, America will be stronger than it has been in a long time. And that will be as a direct result of the policies that are being implemented right now.

Any criticism being directed towards the Obama administration that they haven't fixed x,y, or z in a certain time frame is nothing more than grasping for straws.

Wimbly
01-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Wimbly, the thing with most Republicans is that their ideology is so absurd that when somebody says anything that does not agree with it 100%, they label it as "liberal bias", or "un-American" (whatever that means of course).

Yeah, but I could say the same thing about Democrats. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is a beck watching, religious, right wing, racist conservative.


What I'm saying is that by the end of the current administration, America will be stronger than it has been in a long time. And that will be as a direct result of the policies that are being implemented right now.What I'm saying is that a much better economy was slammed as horrendous by the MSM. The same media is now spinning a 10% unemployment as positive. Since the media is supposed to be a check on government, I don't see your prediction coming to pass.

You complain about spending, but this president has doubled the debt in a quarter of the time. You know Bush saved us from a depression after 9/11, by cutting taxes? (I'm just using your line of reasoning)


Any criticism being directed towards the Obama administration that they haven't fixed x,y, or z in a certain time frame is nothing more than grasping for straws.No, it isnt. That just the line being pushed by much of the media and the DNC. You want to talk about inheritance? Bush inherited a recession and a deficit (http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16) (contrary to what CNN may have told you). He also inherited Clinton abysmal foriegn policy and a war that nobody knew about. Bush ad a lot on his plate to say the least, but I don't recall anyone suggesting he be given leeway because its a hard job. In fact I've never heard that excuse until Obama.

MaNiC
01-09-2010, 09:26 PM
Yeah, but I could say the same thing about Democrats.

You could, but you would be wrong. And that's the point entirely. Democrats at least live with the times, most Republicans are delusional at best.

And the bottom line with Bush is that he certainly wasn't the sharpest tool in the toolbox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KogebxJkHig

Say what you will about Obama (that he's shrewd, interested in a progressive or liberal agenda alone, or whatever), but you can't say that he's not a smart and deliberate diplomat.

And if we're honest with ourselves, that is what's really bothering you isn't it? That when Obama pushes an agenda, he does it with class and style whereas when Bush did it he was a bumbling idiot.

Don't worry, I feel for ya. I know it sucks to be a Republican (especially these days).

Wimbly
01-09-2010, 10:01 PM
You could, but you would be wrong. And that's the point entirely. Democrats at least live with the times, most Republicans are delusional at best.......................................................


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2783/lolthisthread.jpg

kimujnr
01-09-2010, 10:24 PM
Ehh I might have to disagree with you on the whole "cons are jealous that libs have a smart president" thing there MaNic. Conservatives don't care about how intelligent or literate someone is, its all about ideology for most. I mean Sarah Palin should be enough evidence, as long as you say you love Jaysus, and hate commies and socialists your golden.

And Wimbly that last post of yours was veeeery liberal, I think we're rubbing off on you! :)

Bia
01-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Its quite amazing to watch the economy continue to sink to new depths and yet the news out there is till pretty rosy....

I recently took a 2nd job... part time nights.
All my friends are working regular too...

The sky isnt falling.

Kilgor
01-09-2010, 11:19 PM
Only a fool would have believed Obama could have cleaned up the mess left behind. The economic near collapse was well in progress and we haven;t seen the end of it yet.

Nano
01-09-2010, 11:21 PM
I recently took a 2nd job... part time nights.
All my friends are working regular too...

The sky isnt falling.
Of course not the sky can't fall. Things are not what they seem. It will take time, but everything will be as clear as day is to night. People will no longer be able to avoid wondering and asking the real questions. Not the sky is falling question. Though I suspect the people will be asking the wrong questions even then. Some people just can't ever see the truth even when it is written on a wall in blood. They only see the blood not the words.Plus ca change c'est la meme chose.

BudW
01-09-2010, 11:34 PM
The house of cards will fall its just a matter of time.

Wimbly
01-10-2010, 07:32 AM
I recently took a 2nd job... part time nights.
All my friends are working regular too...

The sky isnt falling.

I think you missed the point of the thread, because you posted before reading. I posted articles from 2006 and articles from yesterday. Showing clearly that the media (CNN in particular) spin 10% unemployment as positive, while they spun 5% as negative under Bush.

You say "the sky isn't falling", yet we had like 5 years of sustained 'the sky is falling' from people like yourself and the media. Suddenly that Democrats are in control all that outrage and angst has disappeared. Can you explain that?


Only a fool would have believed Obama could have cleaned up the mess left behind. The economic near collapse was well in progress and we haven;t seen the end of it yet.

Dude, this excuse only emerged from the media AFTER Obama was elected. Bush inherited some **** storms too you know? I don't remember that being a valid excuse. Another thing, the economy was doing much better under Bush, so don't give me that crap about inheriting a mess he cant fix. You cant just blame Bush for 4 years. Obama has done nothing but make it worse. Oh, but CNN tells us to give Obama a break so we have people who never shut up about the economy under Bush, now giving Obama a pass with twice the deficit and unemployment. I'm sorry, but that doesn't bode well for the future.

Once again, my post was about the inconsistent reporting. Somehow I doubt many of you even bothered reading.