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Isaac Kasabian
01-10-2010, 10:39 AM
If, like many people, you have clear views on the Arab-Israel conflict, and/or you are convinced that you know how to bring peace to the Middle East--or you just want to see how much you know, you are invited to try the following quiz.



Answer the questions here and in part II (next article), but don't check them until you are finished. Check your score at the end of part II.

1. As is well known, Palestine is the Holy Land for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Palestine’s sanctity in Islam is expressed in the fact that the Koran mentions Palestine:

a) 1,034 times;
b) 837 times;
c) 408 times;
d) 1 time;
e) never.



2. Jerusalem is the third holiest city for Islam (after Mecca and Medina). In honour of this status, the Koran refers to Jerusalem as:

a) Al-Kuds (“The Holy”);
b) Al-Medina al-Kuds (“The Holy City”);
c) Urusalim (“Jerusalem”);
d) Al-Kibla al-Awalani (“The First Direction [of prayer]”);
e) By no name, because Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran.



3. The Dome of the Rock, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, is one of Islam’s holiest shrines. In accordance with this sanctity, Moslems pray on the Temple Mount:

a) facing the Dome of the Rock;
b) in the north-west section, to face the Dome and Mecca simultaneously;
c) standing facing the Dome of the Rock, kneeling facing Mecca;
d) facing the Dome of the Rock for certain prayers, Mecca for others;
e) kneeling facing Mecca, their backsides towards the Dome of the Rock.



4. The Jewish claim to the Holy Land is that God promised it to them. Moses – the Jewish national leader – is quoted as saying: “O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you…and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has decreed for you”. This speech of Moses is recorded in:

a) the Book of Exodus;
b) the Book of Isaiah;
c) the Talmud;
d) the Midrash;
e) the Koran (Sura 5:20-21).



5. In popular literature, historical discussions, political debates, and other forums, the Palestinians’ standard claim is that they are:

a) the descendants of the Biblical Philistines (a European tribe originating in Crete, who invaded the Holy Land in the early Biblical period);
b) the continuation of the Biblical Canaanites (a Hamatic tribe, in perpetual warfare against the Philistines);
c) the descendents of the earliest Christians (i.e. Jews);
d) an integral part of the Arab nation (a Semitic nation originating in Arabia, and entirely unconnected to the Philistines, the Canaanites, and the Jews);
e) all of the above.



6. In the period of history that Palestine was an independent country, its capital city was:

a) Jerusalem;
b) Jaffa;
c) Haifa;
d) Ramallah;
e) meaningless, because there was never in history an independent country called Palestine, so it never had a capital city.



7. The earliest mention of a place called Palestine in history is:

a) in the Hebrew Bible, in the Book of Genesis, when God commanded Abraham to go to Palestine;
b) in the Hebrew Bible, in the Book of Joshua, when the Israelites conquered Palestine;
c) in a stone plaque dating from about 600 BCE, commemorating the Babylonian conquest of Palestine;
d) in the New Testament;
e) in the year 135 CE, after the European Roman invaders defeated the Jewish revolt in Judea, and re-named the province Palestine.


8. “There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us.”

Who said these words?
a) Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel, in a speech to the American Zionist Organisation, 1972;
b) Moshe Dayan, Minister of Defence of Israel and former Chief of Staff of the Israel Defence Forces, addressing the General Staff, 1968;
c) Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, in his election victory speech, 1996;
d) Abba Eban, Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, in a speech in 1981;
e) Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, addressing the British Peel Commission, 1937.



9. “The ‘Palestinian People’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel.”
Who said this?

a) Egyptian dictator, President Gamal Abdul Nasser, addressing the Egyptian parliament, a month after the Six Day War, July 1967;
b) Jordanian King Hussein, a week before the Six Day War, May 1967;
c) Syrian dictator, President Hafez al-Assad, addressing the Arab League, 1994;
d) Iraqi dictator President Saddam Hussein, addressing the Iraqi nation in a televised speech, 2002;
e) Zahir Muhsein, executive member of the PLO, in an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw, March 1977.



10. On the eve of Israel’s independence in May 1948, approximately 600,000 Arabs lived in the areas that would soon become the State of Israel. When the War of Independence was over (March 1949), 150,000 Arabs were still there. This is why the UNRWA (United Nations Relief Works Agency) officially recognized that the number of Arab refugees was:

a) 450,000;
b) 600,000;
c) 850,000;
d) 1,000,000;
e) 1,300,000.





Here are questions 11-20. Answers for all 20 questions and scoring instructions appear at the end.


11. In June 1982, the Israel Defence Forces entered south Lebanon to fight against the PLO, which had invaded Lebanon in 1975. The total population in southern Lebanon was about 400,000, of whom vast numbers – perhaps as many as 10% – fled northwards to escape the fighting. UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon) officially estimated the number of refugees as:

a) 40,000;
b) 80,000;
c) 120,000;
d) 250,000;
e) 600,000.



12. The Palestine National Covenant (the constitution of the PLO) states that “Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit” (Article 2). 77% of this “indivisible territorial unit” is today:

a) the State of Israel, and the remaining 23% is Judea and Samaria (the “West Bank”) and Gaza;
b) Israel (including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, i.e. the “occupied territories”), and the remaining 23% are the border areas of various neighbouring Arab states;
c) Judea, Samaria, and Gaza (the “occupied territories”), and the remaining 23% is divided between Israel and Jordan;
d) Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and the remaining 23% has been annexed to the State of Israel;
e) The Kingdom of Jordan, and the remaining 23% is Israel (including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza).



13. As its name suggests, the raison d’etre of the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) is to liberate Palestine. Accordingly, the PLO has fought to establish its independent state in:

a) the whole of Israel, starting with Judea, Samaria, and Gaza (the “occupied territories”);
b) sovereign Israel alone, rejecting any claim to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza (prior to the Six Day War);
c) Jordan (in the late 1960s and early 1970s)
d) Lebanon (from the mid-1970s until 1982);
e) All of the above.



14. The PLO’s purpose, as they and their supporters make clear, is to liberate the “occupied territories” which Israel captured in the Six Day War (5th-10th June 1967). This claim is proven by the historical fact that the PLO was founded:

a) in Ramallah, the biggest city in the West Bank, a month after the Six Day War;
b) in Gaza City, which has traditionally been a centre of Palestinian nationalism, on the first anniversary of the Six Day War;
c) as a response to the establishment of the first Israeli settlement in Hebron in 1969;
d) on the 10th anniversary of the Six Day War, in June 1977, in Hebron;
e) 3½ years before the Six Day War, on 1st January 1964, in Cairo (the capital of Egypt).



15. In the 25-year period 1950-1974, the Arab countries (including Iran) donated a total of $26,476,750 in aid to Palestinian refugees, representing 0.04% (i.e. $1 out of every $2,500) of their combined oil revenue for 1974 alone. The only country in the entire Middle East which gave no aid at all to Palestinian refugees was:

a) Israel;
b) Iran;
c) Libya;
d) Jordan;
e) Algeria.



16. Israel has often been accused of “ethnic cleansing” of the Arabs in the “occupied territories”. The demography bears this out, because the Arab population of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza has:

a) plummeted from 6,500,000 in 1967 to 3,000,000 in 2009;
b) plummeted from an estimated 5,000,000 in 1967 to less than 2,000,000 in 2009;
c) remained steady at 3,000,000, despite huge natural growth in the rest of the world;
d) increased at one tenth of the pace of natural population growth;
e) increased from about 750,000 in 1967 to an estimated 3,700,000 in 2009, a population growth of nearly 500% in barely more than a generation, which is one of the highest rates of increase anywhere in the world.



17. Israel has also been accused of “ethnic cleansing” of Arabs who are citizens of the state, and deliberately enforcing policies designed to keep the Arab population small. This, too, is shown by the demography, in that the Israeli Arab population has:

a) dropped from slightly over 1,000,000 (40% of the overall population) in 1948 to 750,000 (20% of the population) in 2009;
b) remained at a steady 1,000,000 from 1948 to 2009, while the overall population has increased seven-fold;
c) increased from 500,000 in 1948 to 1,000,000 in 2009, representing a drop from 35% of the overall population to just 12% in 58 years;
d) decreased steadily by 2% per year from 1948 onwards;
e) increased from 150,000 (15% of the overall population) in 1948 to about 1,420,000 (22% of the overall population) in 2009.



18. As of 2009, there are five universities (the Islamic University of Hebron; Bir Zeit University; Bethlehem University; Al-Najah University in Shechem [Nablus]; and Al-Ahzar in Gaza), and five religious higher education academies, throughout the “occupied territories”. These institutes are:

a) all that remain of 25 institutes of higher education, the others having been destroyed by the Israeli occupation forces;
b) some of the oldest in the Arab world, with the Islamic University of Hebron having been founded under the original Caliphate in the 8th century;
c) forced to operate secretly, because the Israeli authorities have banned them;
d) barely tolerated by the Israeli authorities;
e) all founded since the Israeli “occupation” of 1967, under Israeli auspices, the oldest one being the Islamic University of Hebron, founded in 1971.



19. Since the Israeli “occupation” of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza in 1967, nine Palestinians have been sentenced to death by the courts and judicially executed, and scores – probably hundreds – more have been executed in extra-judicial killings. All of them, without exception, were executed:

a) by the Israeli military occupation authorities;
b) by the Israeli Army after military courts-martial;
c) by the Israeli civil administration, following criminal trials in civilian courts;
d) by Israeli civilian courts, acting under special emergency regulations;
e) since September 1993 by the Palestinian Authority in the autonomous zones, because Israel, alone in the Middle East, does not use the death penalty.



20. In early October 2005, an estimated 650 people charged the security fence/separation barrier, and an estimated 350 succeeded in crossing it. Security forces responded with bayonets, shotguns, and rubber bullets, killing between ten and fifteen people and injuring dozens more. This incident was given minimal media attention, and has been entirely forgotten, because:

a) the world media is biased in Israel’s favour;
b) a dozen Palestinians killed is so commonplace, it is not even newsworthy;
c) the Israeli authorities imposed a media blackout;
d) Jewish settlers intimidated the journalists and photographers into silence;
e) the incident occurred along the security fence in Morocco, separating sovereign Morocco from the Spanish Sahara, and the security forces in question were Spanish.






Scoring
Every a) is worth 1 point; every b) is worth 2 points; every c) is worth 3 points; every d) is worth 4 points; every e) is worth 5 points.

Now add up your score. If your score is 20, then you answered a) to every question. This means that you got every single answer wrong, and that you are politically correct and base your ideas of the Middle East on standard anti-Israel and pro-Arab propaganda lies rather than on the truth. Since you are more concerned with Israel-bashing than truth, and since you parrot every canard peddled by pro-Arab propagandists, you are ideally suited to become a European career diplomat accredited to the Middle East, or a BBC or CNN reporter, or a journalist for Haaretz.

If your score is between 21 and 99, then you might have a more open mind than others, and you might know slightly more than the average media report contains. You might be interested in studying more on the subject.

If your score is 100, then you answered e) to every question. This means that you got every answer right. This suggests that you have a good, solid knowledge of the issues involved and are uninfluenced by propaganda. Be careful: people infected by independent and honest thought tend to become targets of Islamic terrorists and their left-wing cohorts. At the very least, they get demonized as “right-wing fanatics”.

If your score is below 20 or above 100, this means that you cannot count properly. Why not consider a career as the Secretary General of the United Nations?

Part 1 - http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9250
Part 2 - http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9249

Difool
01-10-2010, 11:00 AM
Mods, please close this thread!

LineDoggie
01-10-2010, 11:11 AM
It fits a Political Rant and Opinion(which is the section title), and is there an argument over the accuracy of the questions?

Or the Political Correctness of the questions?

Difool
01-10-2010, 11:17 AM
It fits a Political Rant and Opinion(which is the section title), and is there an argument over the accuracy of the questions?

Or the Political Correctness of the questions?

It totally lacks any kind of political or journalistic seriousness. The only affect it's gonna have is to create an ugly flame war. But it's not in my hands so do whatever you think is right.

Fade
01-10-2010, 11:20 AM
Somebody doesn't like truths about common misconceptions being exposed.

tercio67
01-10-2010, 11:39 AM
"If your score is 100, then you answered e) to every question. This means that you got every answer right".

Ahem, look at the answer of Q 20. Spanish Sahara? it is called Western Sahara these days and is situated between Marokko and Mauretania. (might want to look up POLISARIO too)
There are no Spanish troops there, have not been since 1975 actualy.
But it's probably not the Westen Sahara the maker of the poll is looking for. Ceuta and Melilla seems more likely. This does not bode well for the accuracy of the poll in general.
On the other hand I don't think accuracy, or nuance, was the main concern when the poll was made.

Best this tread gets closed before a slugfest ensues and people get infracted or even banned.
Just my opinion of course.

gazell
01-10-2010, 11:54 AM
'If your score is below 20 or above 100, this means that you cannot count properly. Why not consider a career as the Secretary General of the United Nations?'

In Humour section maybe? Even then, quite a flame bait post.

ggk
01-10-2010, 12:09 PM
1. As is well known, Palestine is the Holy Land for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Palestine’s sanctity in Islam is expressed in the fact that the Koran mentions Palestine:

.......nada



2. Jerusalem is the third holiest city for Islam (after Mecca and Medina). In honour of this status, the Koran refers to Jerusalem as:

........not mentioned even once



3. The Dome of the Rock, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, is one of Islam’s holiest shrines. In accordance with this sanctity, Moslems pray on the Temple Mount:

..........no one pray there



4. The Jewish claim to the Holy Land is that God promised it to them. Moses – the Jewish national leader – is quoted as saying: “O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you…and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has decreed for you”. This speech of Moses is recorded in:

.......never heard of it.... must be new


5. In popular literature, historical discussions, political debates, and other forums, the Palestinians’ standard claim is that they are:

being shot at with high precision missile



6. In the period of history that Palestine was an independent country, its capital city was:

ah who claim that?


7. The earliest mention of a place called Palestine in history is:

........palestine at year zero


8. “There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us.”

Zoltar



9. “The ‘Palestinian People’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel.”
Who said this?

Zoltar librarian



10. On the eve of Israel’s independence in May 1948, approximately 600,000 Arabs lived in the areas that would soon become the State of Israel. When the War of Independence was over (March 1949), 150,000 Arabs were still there. This is why the UNRWA (United Nations Relief Works Agency) officially recognized that the number of Arab refugees was:

someone add the number back in the report

Here are questions 11-20. Answers for all 20 questions and scoring instructions appear at the end.


11. In June 1982, the Israel Defence Forces entered south Lebanon to fight against the PLO, which had invaded Lebanon in 1975. The total population in southern Lebanon was about 400,000, of whom vast numbers – perhaps as many as 10% – fled northwards to escape the fighting. UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon) officially estimated the number of refugees as:

...........too many displaced family



12. The Palestine National Covenant (the constitution of the PLO) states that “Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit” (Article 2). 77% of this “indivisible territorial unit” is today:

......sand and some times rock with plants here and there



13. As its name suggests, the raison d’etre of the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) is to liberate Palestine. Accordingly, the PLO has fought to establish its independent state in:

.....where ever which was taken



14. The PLO’s purpose, as they and their supporters make clear, is to liberate the “occupied territories” which Israel captured in the Six Day War (5th-10th June 1967). This claim is proven by the historical fact that the PLO was founded:

dont understand the question



15. In the 25-year period 1950-1974, the Arab countries (including Iran) donated a total of $26,476,750 in aid to Palestinian refugees, representing 0.04% (i.e. $1 out of every $2,500) of their combined oil revenue for 1974 alone. The only country in the entire Middle East which gave no aid at all to Palestinian refugees was:

Algeria in middle east?



16. Israel has often been accused of “ethnic cleansing” of the Arabs in the “occupied territories”. The demography bears this out, because the Arab population of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza has:

yeah those died were actually born back to the matrix



17. Israel has also been accused of “ethnic cleansing” of Arabs who are citizens of the state, and deliberately enforcing policies designed to keep the Arab population small. This, too, is shown by the demography, in that the Israeli Arab population has:

...always be small.



18. As of 2009, there are five universities (the Islamic University of Hebron; Bir Zeit University; Bethlehem University; Al-Najah University in Shechem [Nablus]; and Al-Ahzar in Gaza), and five religious higher education academies, throughout the “occupied territories”. These institutes are:

.........Universities



19. Since the Israeli “occupation” of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza in 1967, nine Palestinians have been sentenced to death by the courts and judicially executed, and scores – probably hundreds – more have been executed in extra-judicial killings. All of them, without exception, were executed:

nine?



20. In early October 2005, an estimated 650 people charged the security fence/separation barrier, and an estimated 350 succeeded in crossing it. Security forces responded with bayonets, shotguns, and rubber bullets, killing between ten and fifteen people and injuring dozens more. This incident was given minimal media attention, and has been entirely forgotten, because:

juice rule the werld


sarcasm intended

Mr.K
01-10-2010, 12:16 PM
Oooh i think I get it, jews are good and palestinans are bad.

dracon49
01-10-2010, 12:21 PM
You got 180 Iq(btw Nethanyahu really has it-it's more then what Einstein had) for your answer:).

budgie
01-11-2010, 12:05 AM
I read the first question and switched off. Jerusalem's significance occurs inthe Prophet's life after the Koran was written doesn't it?


Jerusalem is considered the third-holiest city in Islam.[7] For approximately a year, before it was permanently switched to the Kabaa in Mecca, the qibla (direction of prayer) for Muslims was Jerusalem.[159] The city's lasting place in Islam, however, is primarily due to Muhammad's Night of Ascension (c. 620 CE). Muslims believe Muhammad was miraculously transported one night from Mecca to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, whereupon he ascended to Heaven to meet previous prophets of Islam.[160][161] The first verse in the Qur'an's Surat al-Isra notes the destination of Muhammad's journey as al-Aqsa (the farthest) mosque,[162] in reference to the location in Jerusalem. Today, the Temple Mount is topped by two Islamic landmarks intended to commemorate the event—al-Aqsa Mosque, derived from the name mentioned in the Qur'an, and the Dome of the Rock, which stands over the Foundation Stone, from which Muslims believe Muhammad ascended to Heaven.[163]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quds#Religious_significance

And look at the score card:


Now add up your score. If your score is 20, then you answered a) to every question. This means that you got every single answer wrong, and that you are politically correct and base your ideas of the Middle East on standard anti-Israel and pro-Arab propaganda lies rather than on the truth. Since you are more concerned with Israel-bashing than truth, and since you parrot every canard peddled by pro-Arab propagandists, you are ideally suited to become a European career diplomat accredited to the Middle East, or a BBC or CNN reporter, or a journalist for Haaretz.

If your score is between 21 and 99, then you might have a more open mind than others, and you might know slightly more than the average media report contains. You might be interested in studying more on the subject.

If your score is 100, then you answered e) to every question. This means that you got every answer right. This suggests that you have a good, solid knowledge of the issues involved and are uninfluenced by propaganda. Be careful: people infected by independent and honest thought tend to become targets of Islamic terrorists and their left-wing cohorts. At the very least, they get demonized as “right-wing fanatics”.

What of people who scored highly and still think Palestinian people are hard-done by? Which of the author's neat little categories do they fall into?

Dunno why I bothered responding to this ridiculous flame bait but then it is a public holiday here and the weather sucks.

Fat Lazy American
01-11-2010, 01:02 AM
"If your score is 100, then you answered e) to every question. This means that you got every answer right".

Ahem, look at the answer of Q 20. Spanish Sahara? it is called Western Sahara these days and is situated between Marokko and Mauretania. (might want to look up POLISARIO too)
There are no Spanish troops there, have not been since 1975 actualy.
But it's probably not the Westen Sahara the maker of the poll is looking for. Ceuta and Melilla seems more likely. This does not bode well for the accuracy of the poll in general.
On the other hand I don't think accuracy, or nuance, was the main concern when the poll was made.

Best this tread gets closed before a slugfest ensues and people get infracted or even banned.
Just my opinion of course.

It did refer to an incident at Ceuta, which is properly considered a Spanish enclave in Morocco and not, indeed, Spanish Sahara, which is now Western Sahara and "occupied" by Morocco.

So yes, the question isn't exactly worded accurately, but the event occurred and received little notice.

(It is a bit confusing, though, as Morocco also has a massive separation barrier in Western Sahara it uses to cut off the Algerian-backed Polisario, which also receives little notice.)

Fat Lazy American
01-11-2010, 01:09 AM
I read the first question and switched off. Jerusalem's significance occurs inthe Prophet's life after the Koran was written doesn't it?



Also from wikipedia:


Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the book of divine guidance and direction for humanity and consider the text in its original Arabic (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Arabic) to be the literal word of God (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/God_in_Islam),[40] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-39) revealed to Muhammad (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Muhammad) through the angel Gabriel (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Gabriel) over a period of twenty-three years[6] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-LivRlgP338-5)[7] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-QuranC17V106-6) and view the Qur’an as God's final revelation to humanity.[41] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-40)[6] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-LivRlgP338-5)

So, the importance of Jerusalem, which is not mentioned in the Quran, would be a revelation that comes after the final revelation?

budgie
01-11-2010, 02:22 AM
Apparently so, but you probably wouldn't be able to fool a Muslim with that. Anyhow the religion is really just an excuse used by both sides, I don't subscribe to either book's version of the truth. Just poking holes in the OP.

ggk
01-11-2010, 02:47 AM
So, the importance of Jerusalem, which is not mentioned in the Quran, would be a revelation that comes after the final revelation?

actually the Al Aqsa which the place where the Isra' and Mi'raj happens are significantly important because this is the moments where muslims first receive an order from God to pray 5 times a day.


Allah instructs Muhammad that Muslims must pray fifty times a day; however, Moses tells Muhammad that it is very difficult for them and they could never do it, and urges Muhammad to go back several times and ask for a reduction, until finally it is reduced to five times a dayA brief sketch of the story is in verses 1 and 60 of one of the Qur'an chapters (#17: sura Al-Isra).

and the name Jurusalem were mention in the Hadith,


After Muhammad returned to Earth and tells his story in Mecca, the unbelieving townspeople regard it as absurd. Some go to Muhammad's companion Abu Bakr and tell him, "Look at what your companion is saying. He says he went to Jerusalem and came back in one night." Abu Bakr in replies, "If he said that, then he is truthful. I believe him concerning the news of the heavens — that an angel descends to him from the heavens. How could I not believe he went to Jerusalem and came back in a short period of time — when these are on earth?" It was for this that Abu Bakr is said to have received his famous title "Us-Siddiq", The Truthful.

as to how we know the Quran were refering to Jurusalem, is rather simple.... as soon as Muhammad receive the 5 time prayers, he told everyone to pray facing Jurusalem. Jurusalem are muslims first Kiblat.

IconOfEvi
01-12-2010, 05:16 AM
This is genius....my question is why does this stuff appear in Israeli press? Its mostly a case of preaching to the choir there...

And no, Muhammad changed the direction from Mecca to Jerusalem during the time in his life when he was trying to link the new religion with Judaism and Christianity. I think. I'll get back if really wanted. Suffice to say, Jerusalem was not important, esp after Mecca was conquered.

ggk
01-12-2010, 08:15 AM
the other way around bro

Isaac Kasabian
01-14-2010, 11:50 AM
For those thinking I posted this for the flame bait, sorry to disappoint but no, I posted because it gives a lot of detail about facts that get distorted or omitted by the world at large in one little article.
Sadly many choose to ignore that many facts it presents.


Oooh i think I get it, jews are good and palestinans are bad.

Talking about misconsceptions. :cantbeli:



the other way around bro

Tell me, doesn't the Sura 5:20-21 applies any more?

Connaught Ranger
01-14-2010, 11:57 AM
Tell me, doesn't the Sura 5:20-21 applies any more? My answer would be more appropriate if this was moved to the "Off Topic & Humour" section.:lol:

Lau
01-14-2010, 12:16 PM
For those thinking I posted this for the flame bait, sorry to disappoint but no, I posted because it gives a lot of detail about facts that get distorted or omitted by the world at large in one little article.
Sadly many choose to ignore that many facts it presents.


Sure........

I've already told people what I think of your 'documentation'.. unfortunately it was deleted by some mod.

Sometimes the truth is regarded as flame bait.

Isaac Kasabian
01-14-2010, 01:43 PM
Sure........

I've already told people what I think of your 'documentation'.. unfortunately it was deleted by some mod.

Sometimes the truth is regarded as flame bait.


I say all the time, that from both a non religious view you can support Jews and Israel, because if any place in this earth is our's is Israel.
It's our ancient homeland and we have a continuous presence here, being the only time it was independent and self sufficient when we are there.

I did report you, not because you don't believe in G-d because that's up to you (free will) but because you were a moron who insult's people for believing and having opinion's different then you.

You came to this topic and the only thing you did was insulting people's religion being in this case Judaism and Islam.

So next time you share your idea be more respectful it doesn't do any harm.

Hollis
01-14-2010, 04:27 PM
Sure........

I've already told people what I think of your 'documentation'.. unfortunately it was deleted by some mod.

Sometimes the truth is regarded as flame bait.


You do not have the turth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You are just a narrow minded ignoramus who thinks he knows it all.


Here is your flame bait that I deleted:


Damn these Jews Vs. Palestinians thread!!

Your all a bunch of religious fools!

..... using fairytale books of meetings with a non existing god to prove a point... The level of retardness is mind blowing!Yeah you are all rational in what you say. If there is a retard here, it is you. Yeah, Next flame, expect a long holiday.

ggk
01-14-2010, 09:37 PM
Tell me, doesn't the Sura 5:20-21 applies any more?

Surah 5:20


Remember Moses said to his people: "O my People! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you,(1) made you kings,(2) and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.(3)

(1). It is because there was a long line of patriarchs and prophets before Moses, e.g.,:



Nabi Adam a.s.
Nabi Idris a.s.
Nabi Nuh a.s.
Nabi Hud a.s.
Nabi Salih a.s.
Nabi Ibrahim a.s.
Nabi Luth a.s.
Nabi Ismail a.s.
Nabi Ishaq a.s.
Nabi Ya'akub a.s.
Nabi Yusuf a.s.
Nabi Ayub a.s.
Nabi Syu'aib a.s.
Nabi Musa a.s.

and after him there are also long list of prophet


Nabi Harun a.s.
Nabi Zulkifli a.s.
Nabi Daud a.s.
Nabi Sulaiman a.s.
Nabi Ilyas a.s.
Nabi Ilyasa’ a.s.
Nabi Yunus a.s.
Nabi Zakaria a.s.
Nabi Yahya a.s.
Nabi Isa a.s.
Nabi Muhammad s.a.w.



(2). the Children of Israel were made free and independent from the slavery of Egypt , and thus each man became as it were a king, if only he had obeyed Allah and followed the lead of Moses.

(3). Exodus 19:5 “ Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people” Israel was chosen to be the vehicle of Allah’s message, the highest honour which any nation can receive.

Isaac Kasabian
01-20-2010, 09:06 AM
^ Pardon me if I understood it wrongly but what you are saying is Jews were the vehicle of Hashem message but now it changed to Muslims and with that the Jewish right to the land is void?

If so then that's a big problem, but tell me what do you think of Abdul Hadi Palazzi views?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMAzKhpUzCE

Isaac Kasabian
01-20-2010, 11:04 AM
How so? Care to elaborate?

ggk
01-20-2010, 08:17 PM
^ Pardon me if I understood it wrongly but what you are saying is Jews were the vehicle of Hashem message but now it changed to Muslims and with that the Jewish right to the land is void?

If so then that's a big problem, but tell me what do you think of Abdul Hadi Palazzi views?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMAzKhpUzCE

i didnt implies Jewish right to the land is void, im only posting the correct translation and sumary of the surah, because most nonmuslim read this differently (the reason is obvious their source came from anti muslim sites)

Clockwinder
01-20-2010, 08:47 PM
I thought we closed this thread .... it just invites flamers and is totally parochial.

Atlantic Friend
01-21-2010, 03:22 AM
Definitely flamebait with good ol' manicheism and a mix of genuine and skewed questions.

futurepilot2004
01-21-2010, 04:47 AM
Definitely flamebait with good ol' manicheism and a mix of genuine and skewed questions.

x2, flamebait and outright trolling really.

Snoshi
01-21-2010, 04:48 AM
x2, flamebait and outright trolling really.

While the "result" part can be considered as flamebait.. The questions are pretty straight forward..

Player
01-21-2010, 11:09 AM
The quiz is nothing but an anti-Palestinian propaganda tool made up of loaded questions.

Isaac Kasabian
01-24-2010, 06:18 PM
Again the only people "trolling" are the ones who just comment that.
It's always easy to write flamebait then to see the content which is of atmost importance about this conflict.


i didnt implies Jewish right to the land is void, im only posting the correct translation and sumary of the surah, because most nonmuslim read this differently (the reason is obvious their source came from anti muslim sites)
Actually I've seen so many translation/interpretation to this sura that I don't know which to think anymore.
But seing that most Muslim would believe it's their land, it will only keep the conflict going until one of the "factions" losses, or a miracle happens... who knows.

In my opinion Arab/Muslims can live there, freely as long as they respect and obey the laws of the land and the sovereignty of the Jewish people in that same land.




The quiz is nothing but an anti-Palestinian propaganda tool made up of loaded questions.
This quiz is nothing but anti- Arab history revisionism propaganda and their agenda, which goes to Arab, their supporters and the left wing.

Isaac Kasabian
01-25-2010, 11:13 AM
Thank you to give them the permission.

Why keep inventing and distort things?

I only said that to make thinks clear, that it's a matter of sovereignty over the land and not on who inhabits it.
Arabs as any person can live there peacefully.

I bet if didn't made that clear I was to be called racist, fascist and what not.

Yehuda
01-25-2010, 12:22 PM
Thank you to give them the permission.
funny,jews have no permission to live in arab lands

Yehuda
01-25-2010, 12:41 PM
the jewish people,we've been here,more than 1500 years before muhamad was born

Yehuda
01-25-2010, 12:57 PM
they where arabs,but they where nomads,in the arabian peninsula,the arabs,expanded with,and after muhamad time

Yehuda
01-25-2010, 01:14 PM
I bet if you search very well you'll find that in every part of the world jews were there 1500 years before everyone else.
not at all in every part of the world,but yes,in fact,in some

ggk
01-25-2010, 06:41 PM
oh for god sake..whoever own that piece of sand 1500 years ago or before that have died already.... and they didnt leave a land certificate.