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2RHPZ
07-18-2004, 02:01 PM
The Truth About Killing

Dr Martin Brookes

March 2004

Have you ever wondered how you would cope if you were asked to fight in a war? How you would behave if you were suddenly thrown into combat, against an enemy hell-bent on killing you. Would you have what it takes to kill? Perhaps you might if the enemy was miles away, on the receiving end of a long-range artillery barrage from your troop. But what if the conflict was up-close and personal? What if you were dug into your position with enemy soldiers bearing down on you? Could you line up a man in your sights, get a good view of his face, hear his voice, and then pull the trigger?

If your answer to this question is 'no' then you're in good company. Because even soldiers, it seems, are reluctant to end another's life. During the Second World War, for instance, it has been estimated that only 15-20% of front line American combat soldiers actually fired their weapons at the enemy. The rest either deliberately shot into the air or busied themselves with other tasks. Anything to avoid killing.

Can this be true? Is it really the case that only 15-20 men in every 100 shot to kill? It is a remarkable statistic that seems completely at odds with our understanding of the realities of combat. But let's step back a minute and ask where our impressions of the Second World War come from in the first place. We have testimonies from the individuals who were there, of course. We also have archive footage. But neither of these sources give us an holistic view about what really occurs on the front line during a battle. The only cameras that can take us to the heart of the action are those belonging to Hollywood, an industry with a woeful track record on authenticity. Blockbuster movies such as Saving Private Ryan rank highly on recreating the bloody nature of warfare, the gut-churning spectacle of exploding flesh. But in other areas, Hollywood, it seems, has been way off target.

Reluctant soldiers

In the aftermath of the Second World War, the American military historian and journalist Brigadier General S L A Marshall was given the task of collecting battlefield information on American operations throughout Europe and the Pacific. Marshall and his team conducted interviews with thousands of infantrymen who had been involved in close combat. The results of his labours appeared in his seminal 1947 book Men Against Fire. It was here that he made his startling assertion: when confronted by an exposed enemy soldier, only 15-20% of US riflemen chose to shoot at him.

Marshall noted that mitigating circumstances could drastically raise the figure. Machine guns manned by more than one man, for instance, were usually fired more readily. The presence of a commanding officer nearby was also a powerful incentive to kill. But given the freedom of choice, most men avoided pulling the trigger. At the level of the individual, there seemed to be an extreme reluctance to kill.

Since its publication, Marshall's research has come in for considerable criticism. His journalistic reputation led some to suggest that he was more interested in a good story than hard facts. Questions were asked about how he had obtained his information. Given their training, soldiers, surely, would be loath to confess a reluctance to kill. Some sceptics queried whether Marshall's interviews had even addressed the question at all. There were certainly good grounds for suspicion. In Men Against Fire, for instance, the raw data that would have helped to back up Marshall's assertion had gone AWOL.

Despite the doubters, Marshall's findings tally with circumstantial evidence taken from a variety of other conflicts and combat situations. In his recent book, On Killing, Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman lists numerous instances where soldiers seem to have displayed a similar reluctance to kill. After the Battle of *****sburg, for instance, 27,574 muskets were recovered from the battlefield. Of these, an astonishing 90% were still loaded, and 6000 contained from three to ten rounds. A few decades later, at the Battle of Rorkes Drift, a small band of British soldiers were confronted by a much larger Zulu army at nearly point blank range. Yet an average of 12 out of 13 thirteen British bullets still managed to miss their targets. And in the First World War, there are tales of commanding officers walking up and down a trench with their swords drawn, coercing their platoons to aim lower, and to stop firing above the heads of the enemy.

Animal instincts

Grossman, an ex-member of the US army's Ranger Corps, and now a professor of military science at Arkansas State University, is convinced that evidence like this reveals an elemental truth about human behaviour. We are not, he believes, natural born killers. As with other members of the animal kingdom, argues Grossman, we are far more predisposed towards aggressive posturing and display, rather than actual killing.

It is true that when it comes to the basic physiology of fear and aggression, we differ little from other animals. In neurological terms, our survival instinct is rooted in the amygdala, an ancient part of the brain that goes all the way back to the invertebrates. We may pride ourselves on our large frontal cortex, that part of our brain that gives us our unique human consciousness. But in the heat of battle, when the bullets start to fly, this evolutionarily advanced region of the brain is completely bypassed. Instead, our behaviour takes its cue from the amygdala, and the muscular and hormonal responses it precipitates.

Throughout the animal kingdom, conflicts between individuals almost always revolve around a limited resource, which usually means food, a territory or a mate. And whilst it's true that many species have evolved ritualised displays that are designed to avoid injury, fights to the death are not unknown. In fig wasps, for example, fights between males are routine and often deadly. Since mating takes place inside the actual fruits, individual figs can become the sites of fierce battles. The male wasps use their powerful jaws as weapons, and deaths through decapitation and disembowelment are common.

Relative behaviour

Perhaps we shouldn't read too much into the aggressive acts of a male fig wasp. Their lifestyles, after all, are some way removed from our own. But even when we get closer to home, to our nearest evolutionary relatives, there is little cause for comfort. Chimps and gorillas were long considered to be relatively docile and placid creatures, but today we know that they can be vicious killers. In gorillas, the killing is usually done by lone males, intent on displacing a male rival in order to gain access to a harem of females. And sometimes the loser is not the only one who gets killed. A victorious male may extend the slaughter to include the loser's infant offspring.

Chimps can take killing to a more sinister level. Acting in small, roving gangs, they have been seen making commando-style raids on neighbouring chimp groups, singling out individuals for slaughter. These kinds of attacks can go on, intermittently, for years, until all rivals are killed or evicted. In simple terms, it is nothing less than systematic genocide.

Animal 'wars' like these, are not exclusive to chimps. Many other social species, such as ants, lions, hyenas and wolves commit similar concerted acts of violence against their rivals. If nothing else, these examples illustrate that our own violent history is not unprecedented in animal terms. Weapons and technology have increased the scale of our slaughter. But perhaps the original motivation is deep-seated within the animal kingdom.

Whether animal aggression offers any genuine clues to our own behaviour in battle is debatable. Even so, it seems obvious that for humans, as for many other animal species, killing can sometimes make sense. Most people, when confronted by a man wielding an axe, would surely defend themselves, and if they had a gun they would probably use it. There seems to be no contradiction between this fact and Brigadier General Marshall's findings from the Second World War. Marshall's statistics came exclusively from the US army, an invading force in the ascendancy that was backed up by overwhelming air power. Perhaps many men on the front line chose not to kill simply because they didn't have to.

Learning to kill

A soldier's willingness to shoot must depend on many factors: the risk to his own life, the moral circumstances of the war, his psychological commitment to the cause, his training, morale, leadership, the current state of the battle, and so on. In this regard it would be interesting to compare Marshall's data with corresponding statistics from the German and Russian armies during the Second World War.

Whatever the truth behind Marshall's statistics, the US military was so alarmed by his findings that they instigated an entirely new approach to combat training in an effort to overcome this apparent resistance to killing. Out went the traditional rifle practice with bullseye-style targets, and in came battlefield simulations, with man-shaped pop-up targets that fell when hit. Such psychological conditioning seemed to produce remarkable results. In the Korean War, for example, the firing rate had risen from 20 to 55%. By the time of the Vietnam War, the figure had shot up to 95%. Which goes to show that however reluctant we may be as killers, we can always find novel ways to overcome our limitations.

It has been estimated that more than 55 million people died during the Second World War. Much of this killing may have been perpetrated by armies fighting at less than 20% killing capacity. We may never know the truth about killing. But it says something tragic about the human condition that we are still looking for ways to improve upon these figures.

Source (http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/society/killing.html)

Donīt forget to click on the link (http://www.warchronicle.com/us/combat_historians_wwii/marshallfire.htm) bellow article!

Herrmannek
07-18-2004, 02:17 PM
I always wondered why rifles have so poor percents in wounds causes statictics...

BTW I heard main point of making OICW was statistics showing that most wounds are inflicted by shrapnels, but in context of that article we clearly see that problem isn't in weapon but in man.....

Ahriman
07-19-2004, 04:33 AM
There must be some reason they use firing squads.

gilgoul
07-23-2004, 10:30 AM
That`s for sure, shooting cold blooded someone mgiht be a hell of a feeling.
I was wondering if this reluctance was simply not coming also from the lack f clear identification of the ennemy?
The fear of injuring a friend?

shrek
07-23-2004, 10:41 AM
Don't know where this guy got his data from but when we shot at anybody that was in the open to get shot he got shot by EVERYBODY until he was DED. Period!

Herrmannek
07-23-2004, 10:46 AM
Don't know where this guy got his data from but when we shot at anybody that was in the open to get shot he got shot by EVERYBODY until he was DED. Period!

I don't think that data dealed much with SF :) . I'm ****e to believe it..
Shrek do you have any data about small arms effectivnes? ie: rounds/per man statistics, and other you have idea about and aren't opsec....

ShotOver
07-23-2004, 11:05 AM
haha, nice one shrek.
I guess this guy is talking about WW2, most of the boys on the ground had no idea why they were there, and didnt want to kill other guys like their age, i think.

2Sheds_Jackson
07-23-2004, 11:27 AM
Don't know where this guy got his data from but when we shot at anybody that was in the open to get shot he got shot by EVERYBODY until he was DED. Period!

I read a lot about this topic a few years back. Apparently the US military (and of course others) have taken many steps to overcome the "reluctance to kill".

As this article said, there's a world of difference between releasing a GBU-15, and killing somebody with a bayonet. The more personal the kill, the more it is avoided. Pilots operate in an impersonal world of subsystems and coordinates. Infantry have to look people in the eye.

Emphasizing training makes pulling the trigger automatic. Hand to hand combat is even more critical to train, since the killing is more difficult and more likely to be avoided. It takes a lot to actually kill somebody with your hands. Nasty hard work with gurgling, screaming, blood squirting etc. Not really the kind of thing that most folks wake up in the morning wanting to do.

So they train over and over to do it in a certain way, taking the indecision out of it.

In short, you're trained to react automatically so that thoughts like "hey does this guy have kids?" or "what's he ever done to me?" or "hey, that's my cousin Ned!!" never pop into your head. You respond as you've been trained, step by step, until the guy stops moving. You think about properly executing the steps, rather than the actual act.

I guess it works!

Laconian
07-23-2004, 12:01 PM
Although, Marshall's findings first came under scrutiny in the early '80s, much of his work has now been pretty much accepted. His studies had a couple of areas that need mentioning. First, was that his sample groups mostly came from regular infantry units after the landing in Normandy. Studies conducted by other researchers show that the number of individuals in special units (Airborne (both glider & paratroopers), Rangers, etc.) who actually engaged in combat are much higher (around 75-80% if I remember right). This is attributed to better training, unit morale, better small unit leadership & the nature of elite standards.
Second, the studies of Army & Marine units in the Pacific also show a much higher number of troops actively fighting. This was attributed to the nature of the Pacific war (up close & extremely personal, and the ferocity of enemy) as opposed to the largely manuever-based war in NW Europe. Finally, the research rarely followed the same units for an extended period of time. For instance, following Company A for fight after fight may have resulted in different numbers than interviewing Company A after their baptism by fire.

Still, the studies were extremely important, & LTC (ret) Grossman has done a very good job by bringing "killology" (as he calls it) into the modern study of war. BTW, the LTC, an infantry officer, was ABN & RGR qualified, but did not serve with the RGR Regiment as the article mentioned "a member of the Ranger corps." He is a great speaker. If you get a chance to hear him it is worth the price of admission.

shrek
07-23-2004, 08:14 PM
AS a sniper I could see where this might get to you, especially if the target was someone not expecting it i.e. not in open combat!

However, if someone shoots at me I have no problem shooting back, it's kill or be, so the indecision went away.

the only statistics I have are from my teams: we shot a LOT of rounds, especially if we were in vehicles where we knew that we had many loaded magazines in reserve. In the rocks we chose our shots a lot more carefully. I emptied an entire box of 240 rounds at one dude, he was hiding behind a Duvall. I convinced him to come out, believe it or not he made it into Pakistan, damnit!!

OldRecon
07-23-2004, 11:25 PM
As for deliberately aiming high, I think it is more a question if those people aim at all other than in general direction when under stress in combat situation. When one risk return fire I assume that the flight response desire not to expose oneself comes into play, resulting in "quick-aim" shots.
As for the closed rank style of unit deployment/shooting employed by western colonial forces in their fights against "Savages" during the period of colonial expansion in the 19th century, I assume that the soldiers in question, just like their brethren at Waterloo, were trained to aim in general direction of enemy with emphasis on firing of volleys.
With closed rank formation tactics, individual aiming can in fact be higly dangerous, with regards to unintentionaly hitting a neighbouring soldier in the ranks.
Thus f.ex the poor individual marksmanship commonly displayed by British soldier up to the Boer war period.
The Boers on the other hand had no such constraints, as they did not employ Napoleon era style close rank tactics + being ingrained with a culture of not wasting expensive bullets either in hunting or in defence against "the savagess" from their waggon train circles during the period of the "great trek" over the weld.
The intense marksmanship training issued to British soldiers in the period immediately before WW-1 f.ex, came coincidentaly only as a direct result of inadequate funding for procurement of machine guns.
Furthermore, in terrain with mixed visibility (open areas/woods/brush-mix) like in europe, soldiers also seem to be reluctant to open fire if they don't see clear targets. Thus covering fire with individual weapons in general direction of where one perceive an unseen enemy to be located, in order to keep their heads down, is one of those things that seem not to come naturaly to mankind.
I know for my part, with regards to motivation to kill, that in the most tense incident I experienced in Lebanon I would have had no problems with aiming to kill assigned targets, if order to open "sharp" fire had been issued (in fact I deliberately kept my trigger finger on the trigger guard in order to avoid an ND scandal, and very aware mentaly of the need to control adrenaline effects in order to shoot better).

gilgoul
07-24-2004, 02:47 AM
As for deliberately aiming high, I think it is more a question if those people aim at all other than in general direction when under stress in combat situation. When one risk return fire I assume that the flight response desire not to expose oneself comes into play, resulting in "quick-aim" shots.
As for the closed rank style of unit deployment/shooting employed by western colonial forces in their fights against "Savages" during the period of colonial expansion in the 19th century, I assume that the soldiers in question, just like their brethren at Waterloo, were trained to aim in general direction of enemy with emphasis on firing of volleys.
With closed rank formation tactics, individual aiming can in fact be higly dangerous, with regards to unintentionaly hitting a neighbouring soldier in the ranks.
Thus f.ex the poor individual marksmanship commonly displayed by British soldier up to the Boer war period.
The Boers on the other hand had no such constraints, as they did not employ Napoleon era style close rank tactics + being ingrained with a culture of not wasting expensive bullets either in hunting or in defence against "the savagess" from their waggon train circles during the period of the "great trek" over the weld.
The intense marksmanship training issued to British soldiers in the period immediately before WW-1 f.ex, came coincidentaly only as a direct result of inadequate funding for procurement of machine guns.
Furthermore, in terrain with mixed visibility (open areas/woods/brush-mix) like in europe, soldiers also seem to be reluctant to open fire if they don't see clear targets. Thus covering fire with individual weapons in general direction of where one perceive an unseen enemy to be located, in order to keep their heads down, is one of those things that seem not to come naturaly to mankind.
I know for my part, with regards to motivation to kill, that in the most tense incident I experienced in Lebanon I would have had no problems with aiming to kill assigned targets, if order to open "sharp" fire had been issued (in fact I deliberately kept my trigger finger on the trigger guard in order to avoid an ND scandal, and very aware mentaly of the need to control adrenaline effects in order to shoot better).


What was your target? Israeli or Lebanese? :)

Herrmannek
07-24-2004, 06:44 AM
I emptied an entire box of 240 rounds at one dude, he was hiding behind a Duvall. I convinced him to come out, believe it or not he made it into Pakistan, damnit!!

THanks, it sounds rather large amount of ammo, no one had 203 to save some tax payers money?

2RHPZ
07-28-2004, 04:11 PM
Military Leaders' Obligation to Justify Killing in War

by Major Peter Kilner, U.S. Army
March-April 2002 English Edition

The methods that the military currently uses to train and execute combat operations enable soldiers to kill the enemy, but they leave soldiers liable to postcombat psychological trauma caused by guilt. This is a leadership issue. Combat training should be augmented by explaining to soldiers the moral justification for killing in combat to reduce postcombat guilt. Soldiers deserve to understand whom they can kill morally and why those actions are indeed moral.

Military leaders are charged with two primary tasks—to train and lead units to fight effectively in combat in accordance with the war convention and to care for the soldiers they command. Military professionals generally hold these two tasks to be complementary, accepting Field Marshal Erwin Rommel's statement that the best form of welfare for troops is first-class training.

American military leaders have been very successful in creating combat-effective units. In response to the U.S. War Department's research indicating that less than half of World War II riflemen fired their weapons at the enemy in combat, the military instituted training techniques. These techniques—fire commands, battle drills, and realistic marksmanship ranges—resulted in much-improved combat firing rates. During the Vietnam war, similar research reveals combat firing rates of 90 percent.1 Unfortunately, this improved combat effectiveness has come at a cost to soldiers' welfare. The training techniques leaders have employed to generate the advances in combat firing rates have resulted in increased rates of postcombat psychological trauma among combat veterans.

Training that drills soldiers on how to kill without explaining to them why it is morally permissible to kill is harmful to them, yet that is currently the norm. Modern combat training conditions soldiers to act reflexively to stimuli, such as fire commands, enemy contact, or the sudden appearance of a "target," that maximizes soldiers' lethality, but it does so by bypassing their moral autonomy. Soldiers are conditioned to act without considering the moral repercussions of their actions; they kill without making the conscious decision to do so. In and of itself, such training is appropriate and morally permissible. Battles are won by killing the enemy, so military leaders should strive to produce the most efficient killers. The problem, however, is that soldiers who kill reflexively in combat will likely one day reconsider their actions reflectively. If they are unable to justify to themselves that they killed another human being, they will likely, and understandably, suffer enormous guilt. This guilt manifests itself as posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and it has damaged the lives of thousands of men who performed their duty in combat.2

This article argues that military leaders' important and legitimate role—transforming civilians into combat soldiers who kill to defend their country—carries with it the obligation to help soldiers cope with the moral repercussions of their actions. If military leaders train soldiers to kill others in combat, they should also educate soldiers to live with themselves in the years after combat. Military leaders should augment current training by morally justifying killing in combat to soldiers.3 This education would improve the U.S. Army's mission effectiveness.

Why Soldiers Deserve a Moral Justification for Killing

Military leaders should be concerned with morally justifying killing in combat; it stems from their duty to care for their troops. Soldiers are human beings who naturally feel it is morally wrong to kill other human beings. As a result, without training that overcomes that moral aversion, most soldiers in combat would choose not to kill the enemy. Military leaders enable soldiers to kill by using training techniques, such as popup marksmanship ranges, fire commands, and battle drills, that emphasize reflexive rather than reflective action. Such techniques create a bypass around an individual's normal moral decisionmaking process so that soldiers act without deciding to do so. While these techniques have greatly increased combat effectiveness, they have exacted a psychological cost on many soldiers.

Many soldiers who have killed in combat—yet are unable to justify to themselves what they did—suffer from PTSD. Finally, proactive leadership can solve this problem. Military leaders do not need to abandon proven training techniques. What they must do, however, is to prepare their soldiers' consciences for postbattle reflections. Leaders must help soldiers understand that what they learn to do reflexively would be the same choice they would have made reflectively because it is the morally right choice. They must also enable soldiers to make morally justified decisions in morally ambiguous circumstances. By doing so, military leaders can empower their soldiers to live with clear consciences after they have justifiably killed for their country.

Most soldiers do not want to kill. Soldiers are people. People are taught from their earliest days that it is wrong to kill another human being. "Thou shalt not murder" is arguably the closest thing there is to a universally accepted moral norm. Yet, military leaders expect young soldiers to ignore well-learned moral codes and to kill whenever ordered to do so. Leaders should know better. Research conducted on U.S. soldiers in World War II suggests that most infantry soldiers chose not to engage the enemy, primarily for moral reasons.

In Men Against Fire, Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall, the official historian of the Central Pacific and European theaters of operations, describes the problem: "[The American soldier] is what his home, his religion, his schooling, and the moral code and ideals of his society have made him. The Army cannot unmake him. It must reckon with the fact that he comes from a civilization in which aggression, connected with the taking of life, is prohibited and unacceptable. The teaching and ideals of that civilization are against killing, against taking advantage. The fear of aggression has been expressed to him so strongly and absorbed by him so deeply and pervadingly—practically with his mother's milk—that it is part of a normal man's emotional make-up. This is his great handicap when he enters combat. It stays his finger even though he is hardly conscious that it is a constraint upon him."4

Marshall claims that his extensive postcombat interviews with combat soldiers reveal that most of them were unable to overcome their moral reservations about killing. 5 He asserts that less than 25 percent of the riflemen in combat fired their weapons, and "that fear of killing, rather than fear of being killed, was the most common cause of battle failure."6 Many subsequent researchers criticize Marshall's research methods and dispute his precise claim, yet all serious students of World War II do recognize that a significant number of World War II soldiers were nonfirers.7

In The American Soldier: Combat and Its Aftermath, the authoritative study of World War II soldiers, Samuel Stouffer and his associates do not directly address firing ratios, but they do make this understated observation about soldiers' moral reservations about killing: "Combat required a sharp break with many moral prescriptions of peacetime society. As easy as it seems to be for men to kill when their immediate group sanctions it, and as ambivalent as normal people often are about killing, it is still true that to kill another human being requires of most men from our culture an effort to overcome an initial moral repugnance. Under the requirements of the situation, men in combat were careful to hide this feeling, and it was not a subject of much discussion among soldiers. Killing is the business of the combat soldier, and if he is to function at all he must accept its necessity. Yet the acceptance of killing did not prevent the ambivalence revealed by such comments as that of a veteran rifleman who said, `I'll tell you a man sure feels funny inside the first time he squeezes down on a Kraut.'"8

Lest we think that people are somehow fundamentally different today than they were during World War II, consider the experience of this U.S. Army officer during the Gulf war: "Well, later that evening, the battalion that I was supporting (as Engineers) hit four T-72s and a multitude of dismounts in trenches. The action lasted approximately 1/2 hour. Take note of this. The only soldiers who fired during that entire period were the tankers. They fired both main gun and coax. Not even [the engineer unit's] .50 cals engaged the enemy. I have since often wondered what it would take to get a U.S. soldier to fire in combat. Although we had rounds flying by our heads, we failed to engage the enemy. I think it merits mentioning that the main gun rounds were fired using thermal sights and you know how a coax works [again, thermal sights]. Did the gunner ever really see the people he was shooting at? Why didn't my soldiers fire? Did they not see enemy whom they could engage? I doubt that. I could see them from my track without the use of NVGs [night-vision goggles]. Were we confident that the tanks could take out all resistance? A possibility, but shouldn't we have returned fire when fired upon? Hard to say what went through our minds. I'm not so sure that I would have the courage to fire a round if I knew that it was going to result in the death of another human being. Sure, I can fire on a range and score expert. I can fire a round blindly. Then I can justify to myself that I wasn't responsible for any deaths that occurred. I would say that long distance killing is easier than facing an enemy face to face. They say that artillery is the King of Battle. No doubt considering that they don't actually see who they are killing."9

While some may find the idea of military professionals being unwilling to kill during battle a bit embarrassing, we should instead think of it as encouraging. We want soldiers who choose to do what is morally right, who kill enemy combatants yet protect all noncombatants, who reintegrate into civil society after a war. What military leaders have to do, then, is to explain to their soldiers why what they expect them to do is morally right.

Military leaders train soldiers to kill reflexively. Despite this Gulf war platoon's unwillingness to fire in combat, the military has made great strides in improving its soldiers' firing rates since World War II.10 Whether or not Marshall's research was rigorous, the Army responded to it as if it were. Marshall's claim about nonfiring rates lifted the taboo surrounding the issue, and the Army took action to increase firing rates. By adopting Marshall's recommendations and incorporating lessons from psychological research, the American military improved its riflemen's firing rates to 55 percent during the Korean war and to 90 percent during the Vietnam war.11

Marshall notes that "at the vital moment, [the rifleman] becomes a conscientious objector."12 To help soldiers overcome their aversion to killing, Marshall offers several recommendations, two of which are that military leaders give fire commands and that they train on more realistic marksmanship ranges.13 Marshall also notes that soldiers who otherwise would not fire their weapons did so when their officers were watching them and when they fired crew-served weapons.14 He therefore recommends that junior leaders give specific firing orders to their troops.15 Subsequent civilian research on obedience and aggression demonstrates that people are much more capable of aggression when ordered by an authority figure.16 As the military instituted the doctrinal use of fire commands down to squad level, firing rates increased. In fact, in a 1973 study, Vietnam war combat veterans listed "being told to fire" as the most critical factor in making them fire, even more important than "being fired upon."17

Marshall further notes that soldiers have great difficulty shooting at another human being, so he recommends that they be trained to fire at locations rather than at persons: "We need to free the rifle-man's mind with respect to the nature of targets. . . . The proper educating of group fire requires constant insistence on the principle of spontaneous action de-veloping out of a fresh and unexpected situation."18

The modern-day transitional (popup-target) marksmanship ranges follow Marshall's advice. They enable soldiers to overcome their aversion to killing by conditioning them to act spontaneously to conditions that are combat-like, yet morally benign. In his book, On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, psychologist Dave Grossman explains the process: "What is being taught in this environment is the ability to shoot reflexively and instantly and a precise mimicry of the act of killing on the modern battlefield. In behavioral terms, the man shape popping up [E-type silhouette] in the soldier's field of fire is the `conditioned stimulus,' the immediate engaging of the target is the `target behavior.' `Positive reinforcement' is given in the form of immediate feedback when the target drops if it is hit. In the form of `token economy' these hits are then exchanged for marksmanship badges that usually have some form of privilege or reward (praise, public recognition, three-day passes, and so on) associated with them."19

This conditioning, training on popup marksmanship ranges, enables soldiers to kill on the battlefield, and the 1993 battle at Mogadishu provides evidence of that. In that 17-hour fight, a few hundred soldiers from Task Force Ranger and the 10th Mountain Division battled thousands of Somalis in fierce, urban combat. The United States suffered only 19 dead while they killed an estimated 300 to 1,000 Somalis. They achieved this extraordinary casualty ratio by being well trained. Based on extensive interviews with the soldiers involved, journalist Mark Bowden wrote a best-selling account of the battle, Black Hawk Down, which states: "[Ranger Sergeant Scott] Galentine just pointed his M16 at someone down the street, aimed at center mass, and squeezed off rounds. The man would drop. Just like target practice, only cooler."20

Bowden continues: "[Specialist John] Waddel shot the man. In books and movies when a soldier shot a man for the first time he went through a moment of soul searching. He didn't give it a second thought. He just reacted."21 During an interview with CNN/Frontline, Ranger Private First Class Jason Moore described his willingness to kill: "I just started picking them out as they were running across the intersection two blocks away, and it was weird because it was so much easier than you would think. You hear all these stories about `the first time you kill somebody is very hard.' And it was so much like basic training, they were just targets out there, and I don't know if it was the training that we had ingrained in us, but it seemed to me it was just like a moving target range, and you could just hit the target and watch it fall and hit the target and watch it fall, and it wasn't real. They were far enough away so that you didn't see, or I didn't see, all the guts and the gore and things like that, but you would just see this target running across in your sight picture, you pull the trigger and the target would fall, so it was a lot easier then than it is now, as far as that goes."22

Clearly, modern military leaders are doing half their duty—they are training soldiers to fight effectively on the battlefield. They are doing so using techniques that allow soldiers to fire their weapons at the enemy despite the natural moral reservations they may harbor. By conditioning combat soldiers to reflexively engage targets and giving them leaders who issue fire commands, military leaders greatly reduce moral deliberation for soldiers in combat.

At one level, this training accomplishes both aspects of military leaders' duty—it accomplishes the mission, and it takes care of soldiers by keeping them alive. At a deeper level, however, this approach is inadequate. It makes soldiers able to kill even if they are not willing to kill. Conditioning soldiers to reflexively engage targets prepares them to deal with the enemy, but it does not prepare them to deal with their own consciences.

Reflexive killing training may be harmful. Training soldiers to kill efficiently is good for them because it helps them survive on the battlefield. However, training soldiers to kill without explaining to them why it is morally permissible to kill in combat is harmful because it can lead to psychological trauma. When soldiers kill reflexively—when military training has effectively undermined their moral autonomy—they morally deliberate their actions only after the fact. If they are unable to justify what they have done, they often suffer guilt and psychological trauma.

Many combat soldiers experience feelings of guilt in the months and years following their wartime actions. The following are reflections from combat veterans who performed their wartime duties as their leaders trained them to do. A young soldier who fought in Somalia shares his experience: "Well, that day, I had absolutely no ethical or moral problems with pulling the trigger and taking out as many people as I could. And being back here, years later, I think that they had wives, children, mothers, sons, just like I have a mother and a dog, and all these things. Our government sent us there to do a mission, and I'm sure somebody was paying him to do a mission. [I just] reali[zed] that he was another human being, just like I am. And so that's hard to deal with, but that day it was too easy. That upsets me more than anything else, how easy it was to pull the trigger over and over again. . . . It took a long time to wear off, a real long time, because we were still there for a little while, and then when we came back you were still sort of riding the waves of what happened. And I know for me, the hardest thing to live with is knowing that you took another human life, for no other reason than your government told you to. That's hard. I mean, I'm sure it's been said before but here I would have [gone] to jail for exactly what I did over there and got medals for."23

At least one senior enlisted soldier who killed during the Gulf war may have found his actions to be too much to live with. An officer in his unit describes the situation: "Let me give you the results of one person who did kill. We will call him 1SG [First Sergeant] Doe. He was a 12B, combat engineer first sergeant. Known as hard charging and didn't put up with much bull****. While in Desert Storm, he was assigned to my unit. He volunteered for a bunker-searching mission. Upon coming to one particular bunker, he heard movement inside. Without bothering to clear the bunker, he yelled at the people inside to come out. When they failed to respond, 1SG Doe fired three rounds from his .45 pistol into the bunker. The noises ceased. They then entered the bunker. 1SG Doe seemed okay with the fact that he had killed two Iraqis at the time. It was a very disturbing experience for everyone else. Note this. He is now [1999] at the psychiatric ward at Walter Reed [Army Medical Center]. The pressures of his actions during Desert Storm and Somalia led him to two suicide attempts in the past few months. He is a great guy and I consider him a good friend. However, I believe that in the heat of battle he did something contrary to his (and possibly human) nature. I don't believe that there really is a moral justification to killing in combat."24

In On Killing, Grossman writes about a soldier who struggles to justify his combat actions. Ray, a veteran of close combat in the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama, told [Grossman] of a recurring dream in which he would talk with the young Panamanian soldier he had killed in close combat. "Why did you kill me?" asked the soldier each time. And in his dreams Ray would attempt to explain to his victim, but in reality he was explaining and rationalizing the act of killing to himself: "Well, if you were in my place, wouldn't you have done the same? . . . It was either you or us."25

These soldiers were good soldiers who effectively killed the enemy when their nation and its leaders asked them to do so, only to later suffer guilt. Their experiences are not exceptional. In fact, one senior noncommissioned officer who fought in the battle at Mogadishu commented that many of the veterans of Mogadishu suffer from PTSD. The senior noncommissioned officer explains, "I have come to terms with what I did. I talked to my priest. I have religious faith and a supportive family. The guys that don't have these [tools] are pretty torn up."26 The psychological toll of the battle fell most heavily on the junior enlisted Rangers. Nearly all of them left the military at the first opportunity, and at least one committed suicide.27

This is a leadership issue. It is not surprising that soldiers, such as 1SG Doe, suffer debilitating guilt over killing in combat when even their own leaders believe that their actions were unjustified. Soldiers who perform their duty in combat deserve better from their leaders. If killing in combat was not morally justified, then the military profession would be an evil one. Because, however, at least some killing in war is morally justifiable, military leaders must understand that justification—train soldiers to kill only when justified, and explain to soldiers why it is justified. Military leaders who train soldiers to kill in combat without justifying that killing are treating their soldiers as commodities, not as persons. A values-based Army can and must do better than that.

Refuting a Concern About Offering a Moral Argument

Teaching soldiers the morality of killing would actually harm them by fostering hesitancy on the battlefield. Soldiers who are morally aware of their actions, after all, may be less willing to respond immediately to orders to kill. Such delay could, in turn, cost them their lives and compromise the mission. In fact, the opposite is more likely true. Soldiers who are confident that killing in war is justified and that their leaders are morally informed would be more likely to respond quickly to orders and combat stimuli. Akin to religious crusaders, they would fight with the assurance of moral rightness. Moreover, warfare is becoming increasingly decentralized and ambiguous, so military leaders must move beyond reflexive training. The U.S. Army requires soldiers to make life-or-death decisions in the absence of fire commands or obvious stimuli. In operations other than war, soldiers must make judgment calls that cannot be trained in the traditional sense. To maximize military effectiveness, leaders must empower soldiers to make morally informed decisions about when and whom to kill.
An 83d Infantry Division soldier stops to load a clip near Houffalize, Belgium, 15 January 1945.

The words of an infantry battalion commander during Operation Just Cause in Panama should serve as a wakeup call to improve the moral element of combat training. He recognized that the nature of the battlefield—urban, full of civilians, with enemy soldiers of uncertain loyalties—could lead to morally ambiguous situations, and he gave these final instructions to his combat troops before launching an attack: "Let me tell you the bottom line on our rules of engagement, your conscience . . . your moral conscience is going to carry it. I don't want you shot; I don't want your buddies shot . . . you don't have time to call me to clear fires. Make your best call."28 That was an enormous burden to place on soldiers whose "moral consciences" had not been prepared for the moral complexities of combat. Soldiers who cannot morally justify killing would be more likely to hesitate on the modern, low-intensity, make-your-best-call battlefield.

Justified killing in self-defense. The moral justification for killing in combat is based on elements that provide legal and moral justification for killing in self-defense in civilian circumstances.29 This justification presumes a rights-based morality that is consistent with Judeo-Christian and Kantian moral thought.

It is morally permissible to kill another person under certain conditions: that another person has consciously decided to threaten your life or liberty, that that person is imminently executing that threat, and that you have no other reasonable way to avoid the threat.30 Moreover, it is morally obligatory to use the force necessary to protect an innocent person from such an attacker as long as you have the means to do so, especially when you have volunteered to protect that person. For example, if a person intentionally attacks you with a lethal weapon and you have no reasonable way to escape, you are justified in using lethal force to protect yourself. Likewise, if you are a police officer, you are morally obligated to use force to defend an innocent person's life against an attacker.

All four of these conditions—a conscious choice, a threat to human life or a comparable value, an imminent threat, and no lifesaving option—must be met to ensure that the killing is morally justified by self-defense. For example, if the attacker were a 2-year-old child or a sleepwalker, then the attacker probably would not have chosen to cause the threat and thus would not be morally responsible for it, so killing the attacker in self-defense would not be justified, although it might be excusable. The "conscious choice" condition would not have been met. If, likewise, the attacker were a robber who only wanted someone's wallet, the value at stake would not justify killing him. The "value comparable to human life" condition would not have been met. A human being should not be killed to prevent mere monetary inconvenience and loss.

If someone were to threaten to kill you next week, you would not be justified in killing him today; the threat must be imminent. The choice to kill in self-defense must be in response to the attacker's actions, not merely his intentions. Finally, if the attacker were wielding a knife but confined to a wheelchair and you were fully mobile with access to a staircase, you would not be justified in killing him. Instead, you should simply escape up the stairs. There must be a forced choice between fundamental values. If there is a way to escape the situation without compromising life or liberty, you are obligated to choose that lifesaving option and are prohibited from using lethal force in self-defense.

These conditions also apply to justify killing an attacker's accomplice. For example, if a gang member were chasing you with a knife intending to kill you and you had to escape from the room but another (unarmed) gang member consciously blocked your escape, you would be justified in using lethal force against your attacker's unarmed accomplice. In legal terms, that person would be a conspirator to attempted murder. Morally, that accomplice would have chosen to threaten your life, and you would have had no other way to avoid the imminent threat. These conditions are more stringent than those required for legally justified homicide in self-defense, yet they are met when soldiers kill enemy soldiers in combat.

Justified killing applied to war. When soldiers kill enemies in war, they meet the conditions of justified killing in self-defense. Enemy soldiers are morally responsible for the threat they pose. At some time, they chose to be soldiers, and they must know they are at war against other people. Fully informed volunteers, of course, are more responsible than poorly informed conscripts, yet even conscripts chose to become soldiers. They had other options, however unpleasant they may have been. Human beings, after all, are not responsible for circumstances beyond their control such as whether their nation goes to war. They are, however, responsible for the choices they make within those circumstances. People who choose to be soldiers in war are morally responsible for the threat they pose to their enemy.

Soldiers fight to defend values that are worth killing and dying for.31 At least, they hope so. In a just war, that is the case. Because the moral responsibility for going to war lies with political authorities and because the political authorities' intentions are often opaque, soldiers should be largely immune from judgments about the just ends of a war. Therefore, unless soldiers have strong reason to believe that war is being fought for values other than defending life and liberty, they can assume they are fighting to defend those fundamental values.

Soldiers do face an imminent threat from the enemy. All enemies are either direct threats or accomplices to direct threats. They all act for the same end—to deny the target any right to life and liberty. Soldiers have no recourse to a higher authority to defend them; they must fight, or they will lose those rights.

Finally, soldiers do not have a nonlethal option. If they flee before the enemy, the enemy will follow them. Again, there is no higher authority to protect them or those who depend on them to defend their lives and freedom. Therefore, not only is it morally permissible for soldiers to kill enemy soldiers in combat, but they are also morally obliged to use the force necessary to defend those who depend on them. Soldiers are the last line of defense for the rights of life and liberty.


Honest reflection on the moral demands of military service should play a part in the Army's transformation. Soldiers who are empowered to make well-reasoned moral decisions would more likely exercise proper initiative and less likely err by commission or omission. Rules of engagement are by nature static; the battlefields of the future will be fluid. The Army must grow soldiers who can think for themselves.

The Army should include the moral justification for killing in combat in training not only because it would enhance the Army's effectiveness but also because it is the right thing to do. The profession of arms is a noble calling, and military leaders perform their duties honorably. They devote their lives to preparing soldiers—mentally, physically, and materially—for the rigors of combat. They conduct demanding, realistic training; they keep them physically fit; and they equip them with the best weapons. Unfortunately, they fail to prepare them morally, and in doing so, they fail to care for soldiers' welfare. They leave soldiers unprepared to deal with their postcombat consciences and unprepared to make morally right decisions about who to kill in morally ambiguous circumstances. This is a leadership problem that is solvable, and it demands military leaders' attention. MR

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1.Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society (New York: Little, Brown, and Company, 1996), 189.

2.The prevalence and degree of PTSD among combat veterans is a disputed issue. See Jonathan Shay, Achilles in Vietnam (New York: Atheneum Publishing, 1994). Shay, Grossman, and others contend that PTSD severely affects hundreds of thousands of veterans. Other researchers, such as B.G. Burkett, Stolen Valor (Bangor, ME: Verity Press Inc., 1 September 1998) and syndicated columnist Michael Kelly, dispute their claims as being exaggerated. All informed parties recognize that combat-induced PTSD does exist to some extent and is a problem worth solving.

3.It goes without saying that military leaders must first understand moral justification themselves before they can teach it to others. Therefore, military leaders have a duty to develop their own skills of moral discernment. I owe this good point to Major Tony Pfaff.

4.S.L.A. Marshall, Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command in Future War (New York: William Morrow and Co., 1961), 78.

5.Many military officers disputed Marshall's findings, which did not surprise him: "In the course of holding post-combat interviews with approximately four hundred infantry companies in the Central Pacific and European Theaters, [Marshall] did not find one battalion, company, or platoon commander who had made the slightest effort to determine how many of his men had actually engaged the enemy with a weapon." Marshall discovered that what the military's leaders had taken for granted—that well-trained soldiers will use their training to kill the enemy—was a false assumption.

6.Marshall, 78.

7.Roger Spiller, "S.L.A. Marshall and the Ratio of Fire," Journal of the Royal United Service Institution (December 1988), 63-71; and Russell W. Glenn, Reading Athena's Dance Card: Men Against Fire in Vietnam (Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 2000), 134-36.

8.Samuel Stouffer, et al., The American Soldier: Combat and Its Aftermath, Vol. 1 (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1949), 85-87.

9.Captain John "Ike" Eisenhauer, personal e-mail correspondence with author, November 1997. Ike is an outstanding officer whom I greatly respect. His candor on this issue is admirable; others with whom I have spoken share his sentiments, but they are not willing to be quoted.

10.Joanna Bourke, An Intimate History of Killing (Great Britain: Basic Books, 1999), 57-90. The practice of employing psychologists to train men to kill in combat is not a post-World War II phenomenon.

11.Grossman, 35. I have not yet found data on more recent wars.

12.Marshall, 79.

13.Ibid., 71 and 81-82.

14.This perhaps explains why nearly all the officers Marshall interviewed reported that all their soldiers fired their weapons. The ones they were watching fired their weapons.

15.Marshall, 82.

16.Stanley Milgram, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (New York: Harper & Row, 1974), 186-89.

17.Grossman, 143. He identifies the researchers as Kranss, Kaplan, and Kranss.

18.Marshall, 82.

19.Grossman, 254.

20.Mark Bowden, Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War (New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, 1999), 64.

21.Ibid., 46.

22.Ranger Private First Class Jason Moore during an interview with CNN/Frontline, at <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../ambush/rangers /moore.html>.

23.Ibid.

24.Eisenhauer.

25.Grossman, 240.

26.Discussion between author and anonymous senior noncommissioned officer, veteran of Mogadishu, West Point, New York, 20 November 1999.

27.E-mail exchange between author and an officer veteran of Task Force Ranger, 30 January 2002.

28.Lieutenant Colonel Harry B. Axson, commander, 2d Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, during Operation Just Cause, quoted in U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command Pamphlet 525-100-2, Leadership and Command on the Battlefield (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1993), 21-22.

29.Major Pete Kilner, Master's degree thesis, "Soldiers, Self-Defense, and Killing in War," at <http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/pu.../etd-title.html>.

30.Richard Norman, Ethics, Killing, and War (Great Britain: Cambridge University Press, 1995).

31.Although my argument addresses what are traditionally considered jus in bello concerns, I reject the absolute jus in bello/jus ad bellum distinction held by Michael Walzer, Just and Unjust Wars (Portland, OR: Book News Inc., February 2000) and others, because I reject the concept of invincible ignorance. Soldiers are responsible moral agents, so they should concern themselves with the jus ad bellum question of the justice of the war, and they should not kill in war if their nation's war is immoral.

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Major Peter G. Kilner, U.S. Army, is a student at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He received a B.S. from the U.S. Military Academy (USMA) and an M.A. from Virginia Polytechnic Institute. He has served in various command and staff positions, including assistant professor, Department of English, USMA, West Point, New York; company commander, D Company, 2d Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, Fort Bragg, North Carolina; and scout platoon leader, 4th Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 1st Armored Division, Sandhofen, Germany.

Laconian
07-29-2004, 07:21 AM
CAG, thanks that's a real good read

shrek
07-29-2004, 08:06 AM
Nahh, we had a MK-19 on the lead vehicle but the ambush was set up pretty well, they hit the vehicle in front of me, which was middle of the column, when the lead vehicle was down in a wadi and the two others behind me were around the curve behind us. I think they thought that I was out of sight, but I am 6'7" so when I stood on my tiptoes in the turret I could see over the wall next to the road, so I talked our driver into backing up until I could shoot over the wall and then I started trying to stop them. Man do I love that 240.

Just a note: The driver of my vehicle that day was the creator of the new US Army Special Forces PC game that is free from the Army website. He wanted to go out and see what an OP was like and we got hit 2 miles from the safehouse, go figure!!

mi35d
07-29-2004, 09:53 AM
When I was going through my basic and advanced training, the cold war was hitting hard so our "enemy" was always the mythical "Ruskie". We were young and fired up with the "Ramboesque" furvor.

On the MK19 range, we had just finished firing live HE and the weapon was damn impressive. After our last 5 round burst, the group of us were "high-fiving" and talking about how we would kick Ruskie ass if given the chance. At that same instant, an instructor walked by reading a book - as he approached us he glanced up from his book, looked at us, said, "By the way, the Russians have 'em too.", he smiled, went back to his book and kept on walking. Definetly food for thought that night back at the hooch.

As a previous MP it was always a joke because we trained for "center of mass" but if confronted we were supposed to aim to disable not kill. The saying became, "Aim to Maim".

Fee Fi Fo Fum
07-29-2004, 03:51 PM
i watched a documentry about this on channel 4. Very interesting.....

100_Percent_HOOAH
07-29-2004, 04:47 PM
Nahh, we had a MK-19 on the lead vehicle but the ambush was set up pretty well, they hit the vehicle in front of me, which was middle of the column, when the lead vehicle was down in a wadi and the two others behind me were around the curve behind us. I think they thought that I was out of sight, but I am 6'7" so when I stood on my tiptoes in the turret I could see over the wall next to the road, so I talked our driver into backing up until I could shoot over the wall and then I started trying to stop them. Man do I love that 240.

Just a note: The driver of my vehicle that day was the creator of the new US Army Special Forces PC game that is free from the Army website. He wanted to go out and see what an OP was like and we got hit 2 miles from the safehouse, go figure!!

Well, I guess he got to see it first hand instead of behind a computer screen! He is sure going to have some stories for the guys at the office lol :P

radon
07-30-2004, 12:56 PM
This issue could also come from anyther thing. I read something in finnish about this issue. People are afraid to die. So they dont want to raise theyr heads at all and just shoot in the general direction. I believe it is more this than the not willing to kill thing.

ROY H
07-30-2004, 11:39 PM
kill or be killed , not rocket science.

Bombtrack
07-31-2004, 03:48 PM
I think the guy is just being creative in interpreting the data. I've heard that statistic many times, except the statistic is actually "only 15-20% of shots fired in the second world war were aimed shots". He probably just interpreted that into "only 15-20% tried to deliberately kill the enemy"