"Jews must leave France"...

[wulfstan]

Not my words, but those of Sharon....

He is suggesting that France is unsafe for Jews and Israel is safer.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3904943.stm

[Jehuty]

I say this fat ass deserves some ass-kicking.

[fantassin]

That the answer of the spokesman of the CRIF, the main Jewish representative body in France:

*The Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France also criticized Sharon's remarks as "adding oil to the fire" and "not corresponding to the facts."

****"The Jewish community (in France) is worrying for the future of their children, but it knows that the French political authorities are doing all to fight against the anti-Semitism. To add oil to the fire in this way (in Sharon's way) is not acceptable," said the council in a statement.

****The council also disagreed with Sharon's argument that 10 percent of the French population are Muslim means that the countryis anti-Semitist.

****This remark confuses "a strong Muslim population and the fact that most of anti-Semitist came from the Muslim," said the statement, "To link the two is unacceptable."

****"France is not an anti-Semitist nation and the French government is trying to do all, but the situation is difficult," it added. Enditem

BTW, 2/3rd of the Jews that went to Israel last year already came back to France.

[wulfstan]

I'm not sure what his tactic is here, is he hoping to increase the Israeli (jewish) population in Israel?
And i don't think the French jews will actually think themselves safer in Isreal than in France, they watch the news after all.

[fantassin]

He was addressing a group of right wing american Jews so he was feeding them the sort of anti-French propaganda they like to hear.

It 's just taking care of whose supporting you, that's all.

[Jehuty]

That the answer of the spokesman of the CRIF, the main Jewish representative body in France:

The Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France also criticized Sharon's remarks as "adding oil to the fire" and "not corresponding to the facts."

"The Jewish community (in France) is worrying for the future of their children, but it knows that the French political authorities are doing all to fight against the anti-Semitism. To add oil to the fire in this way (in Sharon's way) is not acceptable," said the council in a statement.

The council also disagreed with Sharon's argument that 10 percent of the French population are Muslim means that the countryis anti-Semitist.

This remark confuses "a strong Muslim population and the fact that most of anti-Semitist came from the Muslim," said the statement, "To link the two is unacceptable."

"France is not an anti-Semitist nation and the French government is trying to do all, but the situation is difficult," it added. Enditem

BTW, 2/3rd of the Jews that went to Israel last year already came back to France.

Do you have a source for this comment? Not that i don't believe it, but it could be useful.

[fantassin]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/19/content_1612658.htm

[Moledet]

It's a common saying here, I can't understand what is France problem. I thought that in such a liberal state every opinion is being respected or maybe you ain't so liberal afterall?

And Wulfstan, for Jews, Israel is always the safest place in the world.

[b.scheller]

Anyway I agree with Sharon, theirs been alot of anti-semetic attacks and hate crimes being perpetrated in the last year and a half.

I've read some news reports, that in certain cities in France; muslim gangs are popping up and terrorizing neighbourhoods.

Although I do not know how much of that is true.

[Bayonet]

What's up???

[Zarathustra]

Not my words, but those of Sharon....

He is suggesting that France is unsafe for Jews and Israel is safer.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3904943.stm


He is not far from the true... :|

[Kilgor]

He is right though.

If things continue the way they are, it will be more unsafe for jews in france.
Increasing birthrates of north african residents vs the stagnet birthrates of native europeans means a increased population which is ****e to militant islam.

[gilgoul]

Sharon is an ass

[ArmedPacifist]

He is right though.

If things continue the way they are, it will be more unsafe for jews in france.
Increasing birthrates of north african residents vs the stagnet birthrates of native europeans means a increased population which is ****e to militant islam.

What a racist statement.

[Kilgor]

statistics dont lie...

[Sayeret]

I don't agree that Jews must move but Sharon should make it clear that they can if they want or need to.

[BadKarma26]

Obviously you haven't taken a statistics course because statistics ALWAYS lie.

[Kilgor]

Read that articles about anti semitism in france. Nearly all of them point to the influx of immigrants from that area of the world.

Im sorry if your so sensitive and have to call that racism.

[Olybrius]

He is right though.

If things continue the way they are, it will be more unsafe for jews in france.
Increasing birthrates of north african residents vs the stagnet birthrates of native europeans means a increased population which is ****e to militant islam.

What a racist statement.

Not only racist, but completely false
this assertion is a phantasm...

In fact , studies show that:
1) the part of the births due to foreign women of Arab extraction (north Africa) decreases
2) more they remain a long time in France and more their birthrate decreases.

statistics from I.N.S.E.E:
www.leconomiste.com/upload/document/Fécondité14112003.pdf
http://www.france5.fr/cdanslair/006055/145/109842.cfm

[dacanadianbomb]

To make a statement like that is purely bad politics.
And Sharon didnt seem to have anything to gain by saying that.
Telling the people of a country that their politicans,police etc cannot protect their own citizens is very very disrespectfull. And in complete ignorance of proper politics.

[AROUETLJ]

Perhaps Sharon is fed up of being Prime Minister and wants Sarkozy to take over his job... (Chirac wouldn't object to that.....)

[Fargin]

Sharon does a great job isolating Israel.

[cut]

I say gigoul is best placed to answer this.

[J-10]

Infact Jews in China is safer. :lol:

[2Sheds_Jackson]

He is right though.

If things continue the way they are, it will be more unsafe for jews in france.
Increasing birthrates of north african residents vs the stagnet birthrates of native europeans means a increased population which is ****e to militant islam.

What a racist statement.

Not only racist, but completely false
this assertion is a phantasm...

In fact , studies show that:
1) the part of the births due to foreign women of Arab extraction (north Africa) decreases
2) more they remain a long time in France and more their birthrate decreases.

statistics from I.N.S.E.E:
www.leconomiste.com/upload/document/Fécondité14112003.pdf
http://www.france5.fr/cdanslair/006055/145/109842.cfm

Well now...is a racist statement always "bad"? The light skin of Caucasians does not tolerate the sun as well as dark skin of Africans. A racist statement. A true statement. Also, not an "evil" statement (unless you work for Coppertone).

IMHO, simply because a statement with a negative connotation has a racial element, it is not automatically false.

So, on to the figures - while they show a long term decrease in the birth rate per individual immigrant, if the influx continues, and the birth rate of native Europeans does not increase, the ratio of Europeans to immigrants must eventually be up-ended. It is simply math. While the immigration faucet is open, the tub will continue to fill with new water.

For an example, you need look no further than the southwest US. For a cool representation of this, you can go to http://nationalatlas.gov/natlas/NatlasStart.asp
on the right sidebar, select "People"
at the bottom, under "Population - Race and Ethnic Population 2000" - pick the drop down box for "Hispanic or Latino Origin".
click on "redraw" on the blue buttons to redraw the map with your chosen data

You can get fancy & zoom in wherever you want - select other criteria etc.

In addition to race - one can make assumptions about religion & other cultural factors common to the various Hispanic immigrant groups (Mexican in the SW, Cubans in South FL etc.). Will the assumptions be true for each individual? No. But they will be true for the population.

So, if these French immigrants continue to be from areas where radical Islam is common, it is also a mathematical probability that they will cause a corresponding increase when inside France.

Nobody said that north Africans are automatically evil - but if within their population is a certain cultural element, be it religion, traditional foods, like or dislike of M&Ms...whatever, that trait will be carried with them.

[gilgoul]

As I said before, Sharon stepped out of his shoes once again, ad this kind of comment is pretty worrisome.
Antisemitism is an issue in France too, but the french jews aren`t going to leave just to please the few neo nazis and islamists and ultra left ****ers who are dreaming of a france "dejuivee" (dejewed)
Sharon is here just preocupied with his own agenda, and in his belief that al the jews should be in Israel.
Well, for any jew in the world who want`s to become israeli theres the law of return, granting any jew or jew descendant and next of kind the right to settle down here, and this law should remain.
As of organizing the immigration of 600 000 jews to the promised land, Sharon will have to work on serious economic and security incentive. With an unemployement rate of 11%, a welfare state giving up to ultra capitalism and the conflict with the palestinians far from being solved, France retains most of its charm.
I personally decided to establish myself here for political reasons, as a left zionist and someone prefering the action to the words, since I couldn1t stand blind support for a side or the other from people who never stepped on the land.
It is true that the wave of hatred for Israel and the Jews, a few demnstrations where I saw more flags of the Hizballah and heard more death slogans than in Lebanon itself "facilitated" my parting from my native country. I nevertheless love France and a lot of it`s aspects, I felt french in any way, as do most of the jews of france. What changed, and it may be the positive outcome of this "sharonesk" speech, is the "scandal" following it might bring some self questioning to the french society, does it want to keep this important comunity? What happened in those last 4 years to give France the bad and false name of an antisemitic country, not only in Israel but all over the world?
Why do the jews of france, deeply linked to it`s history and culture, feel more and more estranged in their native country, and are sometimes contemplating living it?
One thing is for sure, Israel learned to live with the jewish diaspora, and if bringing all the jews here is an old fantasy, it is in no way compulsary. Israel is an alternative, the expression of the right of the jewish people to sovereignity and autodetermination, like any other people, it remains an option and a safe haven for the long dispersed tribes of Israel and their descendant, who in case of danger will always find a welcoming country in Israel.

No it`s time for me to go back to my beer :D

[Bara_Cooda]

1- Probally in the spirit of the meeting with those American jews, he wanted to emphazize Israel as the state of the Jewish people.
2- Sharon's guiding line and one of his main goals (at least what he says) is to increase the jewish population in Israel by bringing our fellow jews to their Homeland.
3- There is more anti-semetism in France than ever, and this is NOT a good sign. Smart Jews in france should consider comming to Israel. not only because of this.
4- Sharon wasn't risking any "good relationship" with France.
5- Yeah, the jews in France should come to Israel! :hug:

[Olybrius]

He is right though.

If things continue the way they are, it will be more unsafe for jews in france.
Increasing birthrates of north african residents vs the stagnet birthrates of native europeans means a increased population which is ****e to militant islam.

What a racist statement.

Not only racist, but completely false
this assertion is a phantasm...

In fact , studies show that:
1) the part of the births due to foreign women of Arab extraction (north Africa) decreases
2) more they remain a long time in France and more their birthrate decreases.

statistics from I.N.S.E.E:
www.leconomiste.com/upload/document/Fécondité14112003.pdf
http://www.france5.fr/cdanslair/006055/145/109842.cfm

Well now...is a racist statement always "bad"? The light skin of Caucasians does not tolerate the sun as well as dark skin of Africans. A racist statement. A true statement. Also, not an "evil" statement (unless you work for Coppertone).

IMHO, simply because a statement with a negative connotation has a racial element, it is not automatically false.

So, on to the figures - while they show a long term decrease in the birth rate per individual immigrant, if the influx continues, and the birth rate of native Europeans does not increase, the ratio of Europeans to immigrants must eventually be up-ended. It is simply math. While the immigration faucet is open, the tub will continue to fill with new water.

For an example, you need look no further than the southwest US. For a cool representation of this, you can go to http://nationalatlas.gov/natlas/NatlasStart.asp
on the right sidebar, select "People"
at the bottom, under "Population - Race and Ethnic Population 2000" - pick the drop down box for "Hispanic or Latino Origin".
click on "redraw" on the blue buttons to redraw the map with your chosen data

You can get fancy & zoom in wherever you want - select other criteria etc.

In addition to race - one can make assumptions about religion & other cultural factors common to the various Hispanic immigrant groups (Mexican in the SW, Cubans in South FL etc.). Will the assumptions be true for each individual? No. But they will be true for the population.

So, if these French immigrants continue to be from areas where radical Islam is common, it is also a mathematical probability that they will cause a corresponding increase when inside France.

Nobody said that north Africans are automatically evil - but if within their population is a certain cultural element, be it religion, traditional foods, like or dislike of M&Ms...whatever, that trait will be carried with them.


lol , it seems you didn't read the INSEE statistics. i guess you can't read French...
"the part of the births due to foreign women of Arab extraction decreases " : it's not only because their birthrate decreases it' also because, as shown in the INSEE document, the number (not only the part) of women from 15 to 49 years from maghreb and in age to procreate is actually DECREASING and especially for women coming from Algeria.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

lol , it seems you didn't read the INSEE statistics. i guess you can't read French...
"the part of the births due to foreign women of Arab extraction decreases " : it's not only because their birthrate decreases it' also because, as shown in the INSEE document, the number (not only the part) of women from 15 to 49 years from maghreb and in age to procreate is actually DECREASING and especially for women coming from Algeria.

Well, as luck would have I don't speak French. :cantbeli:

It's nice that the charts show the numbers decreasing, but what does that actually mean?

Even in my unwashed ingorance I can tell that the charts only show that the numbers are decreasing as compared to previous years. So what? The influx continues. And how does the birth rate compare with the rate of the French? Does it say that immigrants reproduce at the same rate as the French?

Spinning the numbers and saying "the longer they are here, the more like us they become" - is missing the point. Year one they reproduce. Year two also. At higher rates. That they no longer have the same rate 7 years later is nice, but not the whole story.

Stating that the percentage of immigrants from north Africa is decreasing as a function of the total number of immigrants is also nice - but it doesn't mean much.

The faucet is still on, the tub continues to fill. Perhaps not as quickly (based on 1999 numbers, now 5 years old) - but filling none the less. What would be telling are numbers showing the total number of traditional (ethnic) French and immigrant numbers year by year. My guess is that you would see one side shrinking, the other side growing. My money is on the French side shrinking.

America itself is a lesson in this. Native Americas (Indians) are now a tiny minoriy here. It was not always this way. Shows what a little unchecked immigration will do for you!

[Olybrius]

funny to see how you don't like the truth and try to avoid it :lol:
stop betting and guessing and look at the facts , only the facts ;)

[David Lehmann]

http://www.brookings.edu/fp/cusf/analysis/suzan20040229.pdf

David

[Miles Teg]

I see lot of american prosterning in front of Bush, and see the same effect with Sharon... Despite the fact I think he his the bad guys of Israel (lebanon, initiating the last Inti fada, building wall...). And more recently manage to export the Palestinian-Israelian conflict in France.

Who are the target of this exportation? You call this Muslim, but I can say they are not muslims, they are just poor people with origins linked close or far to the palestinian.
They find a way for there violence : Isrealo-palestinian conflict.
Stop this conflict and antisemistism will stop in France.

Lot of people are revolted by this conflict and see motivation to "convert" to Islam.

I will not invade on Isreal politic, we will fight bad behaviour, racism and antisemitism in France. We hope all the concerned people in France will help us and not escape and lets the bad guys win the round.

[gilgoul]

I see lot of american prosterning in front of Bush, and see the same effect with Sharon... Despite the fact I think he his the bad guys of Israel (lebanon, initiating the last Inti fada, building wall...). And more recently manage to export the Palestinian-Israelian conflict in France.

Who are the target of this exportation? You call this Muslim, but I can say they are not muslims, they are just poor people with origins linked close or far to the palestinian.
They find a way for there violence : Isrealo-palestinian conflict.
Stop this conflict and antisemistism will stop in France.

Lot of people are revolted by this conflict and see motivation to "convert" to Islam.




I will not invade on Isreal politic, we will fight bad behaviour, racism and antisemitism in France. We hope all the concerned people in France will help us and not escape and lets the bad guys win the round.
Read my post :roll:

[Miles Teg]

Sorry, you're the last person I wanted to be against.
I read with more attention your post but I can't see incompatibility with your's. Your post is "big", hard to make good synthesis with my english skill. Can you precise the problematic points?

The most important things for me are : We have a real problem with antisemitism in France, and we have to consider/manage/solve it.
Sharon have made a misplaced call, it can be considered as ingerence in french politic.

Gilgoul, sincerely.

[hahaha]

Here's a new thought - if 90 % of all jews stopped carrying on like they own the whole f**king world there would be less anti-semitism around the place.

You people only cause problems for yourselves, when something doesn't go your own way you cry "anti-semitic".

Still doesn't hide the fact that you are all sand monkies anyway....

[gilgoul]

Here's a new thought - if 90 % of all jews stopped carrying on like they own the whole f**king world there would be less anti-semitism around the place.

You people only cause problems for yourselves, when something doesn't go your own way you cry "anti-semitic".

Still doesn't hide the fact that you are all sand monkies anyway....

GET LOST :slap:

[Sayeret]

GET LOST :slap:

gilgoul he's just a troll go back and look at his posts his opinions always change depending on who he's talking to.

[Miles Teg]

Instead of feeding the trolls can you answer me? I'm very curious.

[gilgoul]

Sorry, you're the last person I wanted to be against.
I read with more attention your post but I can't see incompatibility with your's. Your post is "big", hard to make good synthesis with my english skill. Can you precise the problematic points?

The most important things for me are : We have a real problem with antisemitism in France, and we have to consider/manage/solve it.
Sharon have made a misplaced call, it can be considered as ingerence in french politic.

Gilgoul, sincerely.

you wrote first
[/quote]I see lot of american prosterning in front of Bush, and see the same effect with Sharon... Despite the fact I think he his the bad guys of Israel (lebanon, initiating the last Inti fada, building wall...). And more recently manage to export the Palestinian-Israelian conflict in France.

Who are the target of this exportation? You call this Muslim, but I can say they are not muslims, they are just poor people with origins linked close or far to the palestinian.
They find a way for there violence : Isrealo-palestinian conflict.
Stop this conflict and antisemistism will stop in France.

Lot of people are revolted by this conflict and see motivation to "convert" to Islam.




I will not invade on Isreal politic, we will fight bad behaviour, racism and antisemitism in France. We hope all the concerned people in France will help us and not escape and lets the bad guys win the round.[/quote]


No offense taken ;)
I just reacted with this "prosternation" of Israelis and americans toward their respectives head of state, and, and you say in french "vous ferriez mieu de balayer devant votre porte" (you`d rather sweep in front of your door), the support that has enjoyed Chirac, enev if it was a support "par defaut" is reminding of the cuban polls and elections.

Second thing that provoked my reaction was to class "Sharon" bad guy, Starter of the "intifadah", builder of the "WALL" (no it is not a wall, and the idea came from the left!), I won`t talk about "sabra and CHatila", but those opinions, and you seem a person of good will, shows the ravage of the disinformation of the french media, and I read it everyday, I can tell you that their "neutrality" is for the less dubious.
To be quite honest, I dislike Sharon and his governement, dislike it`s economic policy, it`s handling of foreing affair, but I have to admit one thing, He might not have brought peace, but at least some sense of quiet (it`s very relative). In less than four years in this country, I witnesssed two terrorist attacks, lost friends and people I knew, went to more than 6 funerals of people killed in terrorist attacks, and saw the nasty effect it had on people, the determination to not give in, and the fear of finishing into little bits of burnt flesh, all of that under the scrutinizing eye of the media, who condemned us whenever we took action in order to avoid an other massacre.
Third thing, I don`t take arabs or muslims for "minor" or "mentaly inferior people", re read Albert CAMUS, it`s precisely because I take every human being as a human being that I refuse to substract them from personal and collective responsability. So when a Palestinian blows himself up in a pizzeria or a bus, I take him as personaly responsible for his act, I take the people who helped him for personaly responsible, the people who condoned him, gave him praise, as personally responsible, and all this mass as colectively responsible.
As well as we in Israel are collectively condemned even for the actions of some, the palestinian people deserves collective reprobation for it`s support and legitimization of terrorism.
I grew up around muslims, I don`t think that Islam is bad or dangerous by itself, but extremists are in charge today, in France you have two "Sadam Hussein" mosques, payed for by the former tyran.
But my point is, why should the young mother ****er of Evry or Sarcelle by excused of his responsability when he torches a synaguogue?
Why should someone explain to me that because he is poor and uneducated he has certains "rights" to be a dangerous criminal extremist?
I stand by my notion of personal responsability, I know more than one people who started really bad in life, poor, crasy neigbourhood, ****ed up families. Did those people go to throw stones at the "pompiers" or ambulances?
No, they worked their way out, suffered isolation and prejudice in and out the quartier, but to their small extend made it.
The young of "banlieue" who pretend to be rebels when shouting "mort aux feujs", "**** la police", "nike les gaulois" "vive Bin Laden" should face their responsabilities, wich means face trial for incitation to racial hatred, incitation to public disorder, support for terrorist activities or simply for being assholes.
I know I`m going a little far, but this to express a certain exasperation when it comes to the leniency that a certain left has for those slackers.
If you excuse the criminals, you don`t reward honesty, then you prepare yourself a world full of ****.
When you say, "stop this conflict and antisemitism will stop in France", it`s accusing US of creating antisemitism, so the victim is also the culprit.
:cantbeli:
As for the relation between algerian kids and palestinian, it is as much as between a Korean and a Japanese, most of those people (in France) have NO IDEA whatsoever of what is palestine, they even don`t understand each other.And if the fate of the palestinian people was really their concern, you`ll explain to me their apathy when king Hussein finished off the PLO during september 1971, When Syria shelled and destroyed completely Chatila (the same Chatila) during the war of the camps in 1983 to 1985.
For the last part, yes, Sharon made a misplaced and tactless call. No, the situation of the jews in France is not so dangerous that they `d better come here, YET, but it is not by accusing Israel of all the evil on earth that you`ll solve YOUR problem, to know, the raise of antisemitic violence, the breaking of the TABOOS about racist and antisemite comments in the press, in the street, at school, at work.
The first killers are the word, don`t forget that, and don`t forget that the racism expressed by those thugs is targetting you too, Frenchmen, "gaulois" as you are called.

As for the ingerence in internal politics, I throw you the stone back, Chirac might be granted the "award" for his numerous comments and calls, and condemnations that are going far beyond his prerogative (remember Jerusalem in 2000?)

la dessus, sans rancune aucune :D
Shalom

[cut]

Here's a new thought - if 90 % of all jews stopped carrying on like they own the whole f**king world there would be less anti-semitism around the place.

You people only cause problems for yourselves, when something doesn't go your own way you cry "anti-semitic".

Still doesn't hide the fact that you are all sand monkies anyway....

sand monkeys? what the **** is wrong with you?

[Miles Teg]

Good.

So it's a very difficult subject to discuss, especially with my english skill.

So we have a lot of agreement (same mind?)

A tree don't have a good vision of the forest. I'm here for that, taking comments on my country and giving to the others.

In order :
Chirac : Yes, terrible effects of the polls. But now he is in big trouble, seeing the result of last elections.
For the ingerence, yes I'm sure we can easily find good examples on him, but it's not a reason to make the same mistakes. :D


The media and view on sharon :
Yes I regret to see our media taking a drift in the american manners (Americans, don't be offend, this is an expression). But I believed to have enough spread sources to construct my bad advice on Sharon.
Can you advance some facts on the disinformation about him? It will be very usefull for me to reconsider comprehension of our national medias.

Bombing.
Mind I can't guess how it's horrible.


who condemned us whenever we took action in order to avoid an other massacre.
Like I said in other post you are right to take actions, but the manner are, sorry, disgusting. Almost in front of camera. You can easily guess that this actions can be taken very bad by the simple palestinian, for a simple people I don't see any difference between a civilian victim by a human bomb and a civilian victim of a missile. Even if the bomb is blind and the missile is aimed on interesting target. (On this subject I guess we can continue on the other thread).

People (muslims, responsible humans...) :
Yes we will never forgive action like torche a synaguogue.


But my point is, why should the young mother f*** of Evry or Sarcelle by excused of his responsability when he torches a synaguogue?
Why? Don't look for reasons. He must pay.

Whatever the conditions are, they are not forgivable. Talking about poverty and exportation of the conflict is only resuming the causes (facts). This is not a plea to forgive them.


in France you have two "Sadam Hussein" mosques, payed for by the former tyran.
But they are not necessary spraying bad islam. And I'm confident in the investigations of our Police to check the regularity of all these. (Malgré quelques bavures)


When you say, "stop this conflict and antisemitism will stop in France", it`s accusing US of creating antisemitism, so the victim is also the culprit.
I'm clumpsy to use these words. But do you agree that the the grow of antisemitism is linked with the intifadha?

Me too I don't understand the involvement our North African for the Palestinian



For the last part, yes, Sharon made a misplaced and tactless call. No, the situation of the jews in France is not so dangerous that they `d better come here, YET, but it is not by accusing Israel of all the evil on earth that you`ll solve YOUR problem, to know, the raise of antisemitic violence, the breaking of the TABOOS about racist and antisemite comments in the press, in the street, at school, at work.
The first killers are the word, don`t forget that, and don`t forget that the racism expressed by those thugs is targetting you too, Frenchmen, "gaulois" as you are called.
I will never forget. People are making trouble in MY country. It's OUR problem and WE have to solve it. Not to say it's our problem and you don't have to interfer, but to say how I'm involved in it. And we agree that the Sharon's call is not calming down our situation.


Wow !! I wonder to have your knowledges of the two sides and of the both cultures. Impressive discussion.
Explain me a little your situation to have so much good references about France.

Forgive my mistakes or clumpsy sentences...