Bashing Israel for saving Haitians

[Snoshi]

I'd like to say a word of honor and thanks and, yes, pride for the Israelis, paramedics, physicians, nurses, midwives, and medical imaging technicians, who went to Haiti to save lives.

That's it.

I believe that they are people, individuals, who went there to save limbs from gangrene and amputation, stanch internal bleeding, relieve crushing pain. To deliver babies. To risk their lives, using jackhammers and hydraulics and their hands to make crawl spaces under tons of concrete and silt, going in themselves to pull children and adults to safety.

For all the time that they've been working, however, people far away, snug in the comfort of their laptops, have been furiously busy as well, people who are enraged to the boiling point by news reports of the Israeli rescue mission. People who see it as their mission to tell the world exactly what's wrong with all of this.

Over the past week, the work of the Israeli medical team has become a kind of Rorschach for how people view Israel and Israelis. Most of the comment, it must be said, is supportive. Even on the part of those who cast the humanitarian misery in Gaza in contrast.

But for a shocking number of others, the bottom line is simple: Israel,
and Israelis, can do no right.

In its most extreme form, there are those who have accused Israel of using the Haiti catastrophe as a new reservoir for harvesting organs.

But even many of those who shun blood libels, have seized on the Haiti mission to bash Israel, revealing in many cases a hatred - and a bigotry - that borders on the visceral.

"I guess giving Israel credit for good deeds in Haiti," wrote reader John Smithson on the widely read Mondoweiss site, "is like watching a serial killer or other sociopathic type mow an old woman's lawn (or some other charitable thing)."

The contention is that Israel sent aid to Haiti on purely cynical motives, harnessing public relations to divert attention from the Goldstone Report, to divert attention from Gaza, to divert attention from its never-ending, always expanding internal crises.

The implication is that Israel, and Israelis, are constitutionally incapable of doing good for its own sake. Or that whenever they appear to do good, people of conscience should recognize that the evil designs behind it render any good that may be done, complicit in wrongdoing.

True, it is willful blindness to contend that Israel can do no wrong. But it is nothing short of racism to maintain, in Haiti and in general, that Israelis can do no right.

Israel, like all countries where war is endemic, like much of the unfortunate world, and like Palestine, is a nation whose people have been ruined, distorted, permanently traumatized, emotionally stunted. Yet Israelis, like people in all countries where war is endemic, and like Palestinians, have demonstrated enormous reservoirs of humanity under inhuman stresses.

As Palestinian-American journalist Ray Hanania wrote of the Israeli aid effort this week: "200,000 Haitians died in an earthquake. They sent doctors and supplies to help. That is a good thing. Just because we are fighting with Israel doesn't mean we should sneer at that assistance to people in need. YES, I wish Israel could show the same compassion for Palestinians. But Israel and Haiti are not at war and Israelis and Palestinians (mainly Hamas and the settlers) are."

People who truly know this place as more than a moral cartoon, also know that there is no such thing as a clear conscience in the Holy Land. Either your conscience is conflicted, or it is no conscience at all.

No one knows better than Israelis - not even their worst critics abroad - how flawed and wrongheaded their country's behavior, and that of their countrymen, so often is.

No one knows better than Palestinians and their supporters, what it is to be tainted by bigotry, take missteps in conflict, and be dismissed by hatred.

I'd like to say a word of honor and thanks for the Israelis, paramedics, physicians, nurses, midwives, and medical imaging technicians, who went to Haiti to save lives.

Israelis, and Jews in the wider world, should not be forced to recite a catechism over how terrible, how flawed, how often mistaken they already know Israel to be, just in order to earn the right to feel and express their admiration, their gratitude, and yes, their pride.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1144179.html

[lightfire]

Some brainless people still living in the darkness of Middle ages have heads full of blind hatred, thus the bashing. And not only Israel - the US and so on. Kinda frustrates to say the least..

[Alfacentori]

The evil juice trying to conceal their 'evilness'

The US taking advantage and 'occupying' Haiti

No good deed ever goes unpunished

Alfa

[LuKaZz]

A friend of mine monitors extremist websites for work, she sent me a mail the other day, she said on Stormfront they had a thread about Israelis harvesting organs in Haiti, pretty sad really.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

You know, I read the article, but I never did see any examples of what they are citing. Oh, I am positive on the internet or blogsphere one can find words aplenty, but just for my curiousity, could someone point to an actual news site (I'll even accept the official Iranian agency) saying these horrible things?

Just curious.

[Aor]

Whoever tries to exploit human suffering to promote their sick political agendas is beyond evil. Whoever tries to target people who contribute in one day more in the lives of their fellow man than any other anywhere is beyond evil. I am certain most people, that try to slam the Israeli medical personnel in Haiti, haven't once experienced the havoc and enormous weight of responsibility a doctor or a nurse has to shoulder in every ER or OR night shift during peace time. One can only fathom the amount of heroism every aid worker, from any country, has to have to help in the conditions and havoc existing right now in Haiti. Heroes speak with works and have no need for sympathy. They don't do it to gain sympathy or the gratitude of anyone, but i guess those cowards with their small minds and small deeds cannot comprehend that. I am no hero, I only speak with words and letters. The least I can do for those who don't speak but do is to express my gratitude for their actions. A sincere thank you.

[Moledet]

A friend of mine monitors extremist websites for work, she sent me a mail the other day, she said on Stormfront they had a thread about Israelis harvesting organs in Haiti, pretty sad really.
It was a video on Youtube, some black-pride American talking about Israelis possibly harvesting organs and misquoting crazy articles.

Stainless Steel Rat, the article was published in Haaretz by another writer (Akiva something).

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Despite the usual anti-juice goon squad comments I usually find those most critical of Israeli actions abroad are Israelis themselves.

[seraosha]

Despite the usual anti-juice goon squad comments I usually find those most critical of Israeli actions abroad are Israelis themselves.

You mean besides Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, and Iran?

[Ozzy[NO]]

While media reports from Haiti express amazement at Israel's well-equipped medical delegation to the quake-stricken nation, some critics have warned against organ theft.

The Israeli medical team dispatched to Haiti has set up a field hospital in the tremor-battered Caribbean country, winning Western media praise for doing what even their American peers have not yet managed to accomplish.

But a video posted on Youtube by an American resident of Seattle, Washington on Tuesday took the shine off the Israeli professionalism that media have raved about in the past few days.

In his video, T. West of a group called AfriSynergy Productions suggested that soldiers in the military delegation to the earthquake site in Haiti might be involved in stealing organs from their patients.

http://presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=116613&sectionid=351020706

When PressTV reports it we all know it's serious...

[Player]

Whoever tries to exploit human suffering to promote their sick political agendas is beyond evil. Whoever tries to target people who contribute in one day more in the lives of their fellow man than any other anywhere is beyond evil. I am certain most people, that try to slam the Israeli medical personnel in Haiti, haven't once experienced the havoc and enormous weight of responsibility a doctor or a nurse has to shoulder in every ER or OR night shift during peace time. One can only fathom the amount of heroism every aid worker, from any country, has to have to help in the conditions and havoc existing right now in Haiti. Heroes speak with works and have no need for sympathy. They don't do it to gain sympathy or the gratitude of anyone, but i guess those cowards with their small minds and small deeds cannot comprehend that. I am no hero, I only speak with words and letters. The least I can do for those who don't speak but do is to express my gratitude for their actions. A sincere thank you.
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I couldn't have said it better.


You mean besides Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, and Iran?

What Denmark, Sweden and The Netherlands got to do with it? Please explain...

[cbreedon]

Ozzy[NO];4708915
;4708915']http://presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=116613&sectionid=351020706

When PressTV reports it we all know it's serious...

too bad they didn't give the guy's address... I could go over and harvest his organs... idiot:fork:

[seraosha]

What Denmark, Sweden and The Netherlands got to do with it? Please explain...

Ever look at the nationalities of those that jump on every Israeli post on these boards?

[futurepilot2004]

Ever look at the nationalities of those that jump on every Israeli post on these boards?

Ah yes base your opinions of entire countries on the actions of a few people on the internet :roll:
I met an Israeli dude a while back, he was a tw*t..... does that mean all Israelis are tw*ts? by your reasoning it does.

[GB_FXST]

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1144179.html

Anti-Semites acting like anti-Semites; fvck em.

[Player]

Ever look at the nationalities of those that jump on every Israeli post on these boards?

I never noticed this, but anyway, so what? It's not the nationality that should be questioned but rather the content and the poster's intentions behind it.

[AZZenny]

Actually, the Magen David Adom, Israel's Red Cross (finally allowed to join the International Red Cross/Red Crescent last year after having been kept out for decades by Arab countries, and ONLY if they replaced their red Star of David (which is what Magen David Adom means) with a 'neutral' diamond) is being sent on a joint Haiti assistance mission with the Norwegian Red Cross. That should be interesting.

And no, it's not 'mainly' Jewish Israelis perpetrating blood libels like this, bacillus -- they may criticize their government, which they are free to do (good luck with that in Saudi Arabia or Egypt) but it is mainly some of the Islamic and Eurolefty media who instinctively piss on every good thing Israel does.

[Zeev]

A friend of mine monitors extremist websites for work, she sent me a mail the other day, she said on Stormfront they had a thread about Israelis harvesting organs in Haiti, pretty sad really.

Honestly, I rather laugh of that kind of crap... Such people are just a bunch of "no life" that don't really have any access to power in western societies, they are so marginalised that it is way better to laugh of them rather to take them seriously, sometimes, I am even pretty happy when I realise how much they loose their health and nerves by hating my people, and many others... rofl

[Opetodi]

Honestly, I rather laugh of that kind of crap... Such people are just a bunch of "no life" that don't really have any access to power in western societies, they are so marginalised that it is way better to laugh of them rather to take them seriously, sometimes, I am even pretty happy when I realise how much they loose their health and nerves by hating my people, and many others... rofl

Its not like they can hold government meetings in Berlin. :roll:

[Clockwinder]

Please close and delete this thread. We don't need hate speech here.

[dttk0009]

Ever look at the nationalities of those that jump on every Israeli post on these boards?
Quoted for hilarity.

[Opetodi]

Please close and delete this thread. We don't need hate speech here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qixcv8PT0U

Ban the Talmud as hate speech?

[RoyB]

.............
Its a shame that Sweden has people like you.. it really is. What can I say, everyone has them.
You ain't gonna last long around here.

[GB_FXST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qixcv8PT0U

Ban the Talmud as hate speech?

I should have known better, but I did hit play ...

Thankfully David Duke was kind enough to splash his name and organization on the opening credits.

I then stopped the video.

Please enlighten us on why you thought to post that drivel. Is this your idea of exercising your freedom of speech?

[Opetodi]

Please enlighten us on why you thought to post that drivel.

When i was a child my father bought me Hans Christian Andersens "The Emperor's New Clothes". Yes - That would explain it.

[Opetodi]

Its a shame that Sweden has people like you.. it really is. What can I say, everyone has them.
You ain't gonna last long around here.

It not people like me, that are destroying Sweden with "multiculturalism".
I know i wont gonna last long around here (hatespeach™ antisemitism™ holocaust denial™) you name it my megaphone friend.

[Rayber]

god some people are just idiots and blinded by hatred , im not too fond of Israel`s politics in general but attacking their aid to Haiti is not even remotly right in my eyes , these guys work around the clock to save people regardless of nationallity or religion or political stance and then som fvcking asshats come and complains .

Just shows that some people feel a urge to criticize no matter what Israel is doing (which i am against , one should never just see the bad things in a country (DPRK is a holy exception ) but also see whats good ) and may all good will be with the Israeli rescue workers , they are doing a amazing job , i salute you !

[GB_FXST]

When i was a child my father bought me Hans Christian Andersens "The Emperor's New Clothes". Yes - That would explain it.

Hans Christian Andersen offers a lot; and the "Emperor New Clothes" is a good metaphor for unmasking the nonsensical drivel that is anti-Semitism.



It not people like me, that are destroying Sweden with "multiculturalism".
I know i wont gonna last long around here (hatespeach™ antisemitism™ holocaust denial™) you name it my megaphone friend.

If the shoe fits ...

[Spliffer]

It was a video on Youtube, some black-pride American talking about Israelis possibly harvesting organs and misquoting crazy articles.
What a load of bulls%&t!!!!
On this morning's SABC news, the mail Haiti-related article was about the team using an Israeli military plane to fly a 6 year old survivor to Israel for open-heart surgery. The group mentioned (other than the military) is Save a Child's Heart run by Simon Fischer (he was interviewed).
So I did some googling and this is not the first time they've flown kids at Israeli taxpayer expense in from poor areas to get life-saving surgery (http://www.israel21c.org/social-action/life-saving-surgery-for-children-exposes-big-heart-of-israeli-organization).
This is just the first time they're getting so much international exposure.

Does that sound like a bunch of organ harvesters?
If anything, the Israeli military is doing the exact opposite as it's likely that some serious cases they bring in will be needing organs, not having them extracted.

Yep even down in Africa we know that they're doing good work.

On those Stormfront idiot comments, I think they can best be summed up by this joke (originally used for our local neo-nazis, the AWB):
How many Stormfront members does it take to change a tire?
None. They haven't discovered the wheel yet.

[Ought Six]

O:
"I know i wont gonna last long around here...."I suspect you have quite a bit of experience with that sort of thing. There is a word for people like that; people who go from forum to forum, posting inflammatory material just for their own sick personal gratification, even though it gets them banned. BTW, do you live under a bridge?

[OrangeWolf]

It not people like me, that are destroying Sweden with "multiculturalism".
I know i wont gonna last long around here (hatespeach™ antisemitism™ holocaust denial™) you name it my megaphone friend.

holocaust denial™?

You are a no-good moron and you know it. You choose to be a moron and that's all the worse. Such idiocy does not belong here.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

alot of bias, I dont believe either side.

[Zeev]

alot of bias, I dont believe either side.

Neutral? :lol:

roflroflCommon, I can't believe it, you can do way better!!

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fdPKizFuZo
with stuff like this.....on public tv

great use of emoticons btw

[FrankBooth0]

I like how the comments for the video, are 10x worse than the actual video.


. Homegirl busted out CRYING and hugging me. She thought that black people automatically supported Israel just because our gov't does. I had to explain that for the most part, blacks are always going to be on the side of those who are oppressed... unless they've been indoctrinated to that 'God bless America' bull****. The Most High is always on the side on those who are oppressed.

This was rather good.

[Ssandro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qixcv8PT0U

Ban the Talmud as hate speech?

All the cliche blood libel fantasies (malevolent, duplicitous, megalomaniacal, greedy, etc) they project onto a random group of people they've never met, are qualities that the anti-semites secretly know are theirs. It's self-hatred that they're too weak and stupid to face, so disavow and throw onto other people instead. Hence the irony of Hitler, justifying conquering the world by talking about how evil Jews are trying to conquer the world.

The other aspect is the fantasy about conspiracy, which is popular with losers because it conveniently explains why they fail in life (" not invited to the secret club"). Conspiracy theories are a kind of gullibility posing as scepticism. Reality is far more random and complicated than they wants it to be, that's why they try to make everything fit into their boring and unoriginal conspiracy. It's ironic when they then accuse people sceptical of their fantasy for being sheep. Nobody is more of a sheep than anti-semite, who can't even think of original people to hate - they even follow convention in their style of zenophobia

[Zeev]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fdPKizFuZo
with stuff like this.....on public tv

great use of emoticons btw

You may have noticed that this sketch is highly ironical and autocritical, in few words, the exact opposite of a chauvinistic or nationalist sketch, if its not the case, then you should be worry about your cerebral capacities...

Nevertheless, I don't think that it is needed to argue with people like you. Your passion for the Waffen SS thread said it all.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

You may have noticed that this sketch is highly ironical and autocritical, in few words, the exact opposite of a chauvinistic or nationalist sketch, if its not the case, then you should be worry about your cerebral capacities...

Nevertheless, I don't think that it is needed to argue with people like you. Your passion for the Waffen SS thread said it all.


My research has nothing to with any of this, but it's clear that we're both biased when it comes to this subject, thats undeniable. Meaning you cant pretend youre defending the all righteous angelic side neither.

In either case I dont see the suffering of others by a disaster in anyway funny.

[Atlantic Friend]

As Palestinian-American journalist Ray Hanania wrote of the Israeli aid effort this week: "200,000 Haitians died in an earthquake. They sent doctors and supplies to help. That is a good thing. Just because we are fighting with Israel doesn't mean we should sneer at that assistance to people in need. YES, I wish Israel could show the same compassion for Palestinians. But Israel and Haiti are not at war and Israelis and Palestinians (mainly Hamas and the settlers) are."

Honestly, when I read this it only makes the likes of Stormfront or Mondoweiss or their ilk, who from the comfort of their homes make it their "moral imperative" to hate Jews and Israel and Arabs and Muslims they have no connection with whatsoever, look even smaller.

[GB_FXST]

You may have noticed that this sketch is highly ironical and autocritical, in few words, the exact opposite of a chauvinistic or nationalist sketch, if its not the case, then you should be worry about your cerebral capacities...

Nevertheless, I don't think that it is needed to argue with people like you. Your passion for the Waffen SS thread said it all.

Well said.

Tis the hallmark of an open and democratic society, and something to recognize with pride.

[Fallap]

God I'm so tired of the usual hatred of Israel, during my 3 years of highschool I tried to argue against the usual left winged dummies who claimed that Israel were babykillers etc.

In vain.

I've been to Israel and I think it's a kick arse nation, I'm their biggest fan #1!!!

[Hollis]

Anyone who believes this video to be fact, probably believes that Saturday Night Live is the way it really is in the US. Not everyone has the same humor or understands satire.

[Ulytau]

I wonder about countries who b.tchin about this issue who didnt send help to Haiti.

seems about potantial war etc. but Israeli search and rescue teams one of most prepared team in the world and doing their job great.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

satire or not....I dont find misery of others funny or material for laughter

[GB_FXST]

satire or not....I dont find misery of others funny or material for laughter

The IDF and the reporter are the butt of the joke, not the Haitians. Watch it again, but take off the blinders first.

[tanks_alot]

satire or not....I dont find misery of others funny or material for laughter

Are you really that thick, or are you just pretending?

They aren't laughing about the plight of the Haitians, but on the Israeli take on the disaster and the over emphasis the media has placed on the Israeli aid sent there, as if they are doing everything alone.

Self criticism is one of the hallmarks of an open and democratic society. where as whatever country's education system has puked you out, seems to be lacking in the ability to teach any sort of comprehension.

Anyway, the show is called "Eretz Nehederet" (Great country) and it stoped being funny for a good number of years now.

[Zeev]

The IDF and the reporter are the butt of the joke, not the Haitians. Watch it again, but take off the blinders first.

A pretty hard exercise for a nazi fanboy. Show some understandin' bro...

[Moledet]

satire or not....I dont find misery of others funny or material for laughter
We joke enough about our own misery. Haitians ain't sacred and aren't the laughing matter in that skit.

[Steak-Sauce]

A pretty hard exercise for a nazi fanboy. Show some understandin' bro...

Pretty nasty accusation, Zeev..

Just because he posts in these threads and provides historical informations it doesn't make him a Nazi. Otherwise, nearly everyone in the Waffen-SS picture thread in the Archiv would be a Nazi, according to your logic.

Please provide some facts before accusing others, thanks.

[Zeev]

Pretty nasty accusation, Zeev..

Just because he posts in these threads and provides historical informations it doesn't make him a Nazi. Otherwise, nearly everyone in the Waffen-SS picture thread in the Archiv would be a Nazi, according to your logic.

Please provide some facts before accusing others, thanks.

The passion for the Waffen SS thread + the posts about Israel in this thread (and some other posts in this website) makes him very borderline, I'm not 10 yo anymore.

I'm clever enough to read between the lines. Nevertheless, thanks a lot for your help.

[ColinP]

If I recall Israel was one of the first country to offer it's rescue teams right after the Bam earthquake in Iran and responded quickly to the Istanbul earthquke.