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Ordie
01-21-2010, 05:16 PM
China teen seen as hero for killing local official

By GILLIAN WONG, Associated Press Writer Gillian Wong, Associated Press Writer Thu Jan 21, 10:07 am ET

BEIJING – When Li Shiming was stabbed through the heart by a hired assassin, few of his fellow villagers mourned the local Communist Party official many say made their lives hell by seizing land, extorting money and bullying people for years.
Instead, villagers in the northern town of Xiashuixi have made Li's teenage killer something of a local hero. More than 20,000 people from the coal-mining area petitioned a court for a lenient sentence.
"I didn't feel surprised at all when I heard Li Shiming was killed, because people wanted to kill him a long time ago," said villager Xin Xiaomei, who says her husband was harassed for years by Li after the two men had a personal dispute. "I wanted to kill Li myself, but I was too weak."
The murder trial has again cast a harsh light on abuses of power by communist cadres and the frustration many ordinary Chinese feel with a one-party system that sometimes allows officials to run their districts like personal fiefdoms.
China's leaders have identified corruption as a threat to the country's progress, but an opaque political system dominated by the ruling Communist Party — which brooks no dissent — and the lack of an independent judiciary contribute to the problem.
In the case of party secretary Li, the young man who confessed to the stabbing — 19-year-old Zhang Xuping — has been sentenced to death for the September 2008 killing, his mother and lawyer said Wednesday. The sentence was quietly handed down last week and an appeal was filed this week, they said.
Zhang Xuping was paid 1,000 yuan ($146) by another villager, 35-year-old farmer Zhang Huping, to commit the murder after Li allegedly harassed the farmer for years, local newspaper reports said. The elder Zhang was reportedly routinely detained on trumped up charges ever since he led a group of farmers to seek the help of provincial authorities after Li razed 28 acres of trees belonging to them without permission or compensation in 2003.
The teenager entered a school where Li was attending a meeting, found the official alone and stabbed him through the heart. Li staggered out of the building and into his luxury sports utility vehicle but died before he could make it to a hospital, reports said.
The case quickly turned into an outpouring of sympathy for the young killer — and expressions of hatred for Li.
Zhang's trial, which was originally scheduled for August, had to be postponed to late November because thousands of people showed up outside the courthouse wanting to watch the proceedings, news reports said.
Nearly 21,000 people from the area around Xiashuixi petitioned the court for leniency for Zhang — to no avail.
In Xiashuixi, villagers contacted by the AP said that for years they had lived in fear of Li, who they say extorted money and used his influence to have those who resisted him detained or jailed.
Zhang Weixing, 58, said Li illegally seized his land of 3.3 acres and built houses on it three years ago, and he hired thugs to beat him, his wife and children when they tried to stop him.
"When we heard Li Shiming was dead, we felt happy because he did so many evil things and really made us villagers suffer," said Zhang Weixing, who is unrelated to the family of the accused, by phone. "We all hated him."
During his trial, the defendant apologized to Li's family, the state-owned Beijing Youth Daily newspaper said. But Li's eldest son rejected the apology in court and said he hoped judges would sentence his father's killer to "death by firing squad."
Li's death has dealt an immeasurable blow to the family, the son said, adding that his younger brother and sister were unable to focus on their studies and may stop going to school for the time being. Attempts to reach the Li family by phone were unsuccessful, and family members have not publicly addressed the allegations that he was corrupt.
Zhang's case echoes two other instances of ordinary Chinese who became anti-heroes after killing people in positions of power.

In June, a Chinese woman who fatally stabbed a party official to fend off his demands for *** was freed by a court in a decision that was likely made to avoid a storm of criticism.
But in 2008, Yang Jia, a man who confessed to killing six Shanghai police officers in revenge for allegedly being tortured while interrogated about a possibly stolen bicycle was executed despite an outpouring of sympathy.
Unlike those cases, China's state media after initially following Zhang's case did not report his conviction nor his death sentence — a likely indication the government ordered a media blackout.
A Beijing-based lawyer and legal blogger, Liu Xiaoyuan, said the court should have taken public opinion into account given the large number of people who had spoken out in Zhang's defense.
"If the village secretary had acted illegally and aroused the anger of the mass of villagers, then lenient punishment should have been considered by the court," Liu said. "It has become the will of people. The death sentence is too heavy."
The case reflects the desperation that China's rural poor are driven to when bullied by their leaders, wrote Chinese social commentator Yan Changhai on his blog.
"Zhang Xuping is guilty. His biggest crime is that he dared to resist a bandit-like official, and refused to be obedient and to be a slave," Yan wrote.
Yan blamed the murder on collusion between officials and local police and courts.
"If the authorities did not indulge Li Shiming's evil deeds, if even one of his evil deeds was punished by law, he would have avoided death under Zhang Xuping's knife," he wrote. ___

Source:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_killer_hero/print

Derfel
01-22-2010, 03:33 AM
The thing is, he took money from someone else to kill the official. So he wasn't he exactly doing it out of his volition.
Has anything been said about the guy who paid him to do it?

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 02:13 PM
I don't condone murder, but seeing how bad law enforcement is in China, the party has left ordinary people no other alternative to seek justice.


Li's death has dealt an immeasurable blow to the family, the son said, adding that his younger brother and sister were unable to focus on their studies and may stop going to school for the time being. Attempts to reach the Li family by phone were unsuccessful, and family members have not publicly addressed the allegations that he was corrupt.

How blatantly ignorant - he should say that to the countless other families who've had their livelihoods threatened or destroyed by this man; besides, I'm pretty sure he knows that his father has stolen enough for his family to keep them in the black for a long, long time.

gaijinsamurai
01-31-2010, 03:02 PM
He got rid of an oppressor, just like the Communist revolutionaries did in the old days.

zad
01-31-2010, 03:25 PM
The maoism deviationism must be purged. p-)

futurepilot2004
01-31-2010, 03:53 PM
He murdered someone for $146. F*ck him.

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 04:02 PM
He murdered someone for $146. F*ck him.

The police were being paid more than that during the official's term of office, and did nothing.

I say the people got a good bargain.

Dercius
01-31-2010, 04:04 PM
He murdered someone for $146. F*ck him.

Well, at least he is extremely cost-efficient ;)

But you are right, he is not a hero he is just another thug killing people for money. This time he just killed a bastard who was hated by everyone.

Confuse
01-31-2010, 04:18 PM
sorry but the kid's just a hitman that killed a really hated piece-o-sh*t corrupt official, sure people sympathize and feel his a hero, but people can't just take things into their own hands, it would have made more sense if the guy that paid the kid to kill the official did it himself.. then I would say that guy is a hero, dead but still a hero

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 04:47 PM
sorry but the kid's just a hitman that killed a really hated piece-o-sh*t corrupt official, sure people sympathize and feel his a hero, but people can't just take things into their own hands, it would have made more sense if the guy that paid the kid to kill the official did it himself.. then I would say that guy is a hero, dead but still a hero

I agree that there is no heroism to be had here - it just highlights the desperation that's going on under the thumb of these crooked officials. The people got what they wanted... for now; but it's just as possible that he's been replaced by someone equally or much worse.

The situation also conveys what China is in desperate need of - true role models. Canonizing this murderer, a lowly hired thug (who had no personal motivation in the matter), shows just how willing they are to lower expectations.

Henry's Fork
01-31-2010, 04:58 PM
He got rid of an oppressor, just like the Communist revolutionaries did in the old days.

ROFL

But to be a true Red Guard revolutionary, the guy who paid the hit man, had to first, point his gun at the hit man and tell him if he doesnt stab the capitalist running dog of the bourgeoisie, while screaming long live the glorious proletariat. Him and his whole familiy will end up in a shallow unmarked grave.

Seriously, change isnt going to come around for Chinese people if they act like this and make a hero out of a paid hitman.

Confuse
01-31-2010, 05:18 PM
ROFL

But to be a true Red Guard revolutionary, the guy who paid the hit man, had to first, point his gun at the hit man and tell him if he doesnt stab the capitalist running dog of the bourgeoisie, while screaming long live the glorious proletariat. Him and his whole familiy will end up in a shallow unmarked grave.

Seriously, change isnt going to come around for Chinese people if they act like this and make a hero out of a paid hitman.


this whole corruption thing is so out of hand it threatens whatever good policies that the communists have, the old gen (deng xiao peng) era would have just killed off all those corrupt bast*rds for endangering the communists party in the pursuit of money and hoes.. what would be worse is li peng's kids coming to power (li peng is an old guard but corrupt as hell, problem is other reformers can't touch him due to status) .. hopefully the next chinese president can have enough power to bring real reform ( next in line is the son of early communist politician)

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 05:27 PM
Seriously, change isnt going to come around for Chinese people if they act like this and make a hero out of a paid hitman.

No; change won't come unless the government starts doing its job.

Henry's Fork
01-31-2010, 05:29 PM
this whole corruption thing is so out of hand it threatens whatever good policies that the communists have, the old gen (deng xiao peng) era would have just killed off all those corrupt bast*rds for endangering the communists party in the pursuit of money and hoes.. what would be worse is li peng's kids coming to power (li peng is an old guard but corrupt as hell, problem is other reformers can't touch him due to status) .. hopefully the next chinese president can have enough power to bring real reform ( next in line is the son of early communist politician)

So, if all this wide spread corruption isnt dealt with soon, this corruption coupled with the ever growing huge gap between the dirt poor Chinese and the rich could easly end up with a new revolution, somewhat like what France saw a while back? Or am i way off base about the average Chinese mentality?

Another problem is, as far i can see, the corruption goes all the way to the top, only the bottom and mid levels seem to get the brunt of the "reform". (jailed or executed) Hpoefully time remedys that.

skyrock
01-31-2010, 05:30 PM
Can someone also say that the assassins of Kennedy brothers were just an alternative expression of people's frustration on the Democratic party?


I don't condone murder, but seeing how bad law enforcement is in China, the party has left ordinary people no other alternative to seek justice.

Henry's Fork
01-31-2010, 05:35 PM
No; change won't come unless the government starts doing its job.



A government that does its job in full? Unpossible!!!! :lol: ;)

Confuse
01-31-2010, 05:36 PM
No; change won't come unless the government starts doing its job.



If you watch the movie "the founding of a republic" aka. 建國大業 (wiki..it's a PRC movie about the chinese civil war) I would say that the current situation of the communists is the same a the KMT was potrayed in the movie... where the KMT was corrupt and was in a damned if you do or don't scenario where to kill off corruption you would weaken the party (thus lose to the communists by internal strife) or have the population not support you but support your enemy (thus lose the country and the war)

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 05:45 PM
Can someone also say that the assassins of Kennedy brothers were just an alternative expression of people's frustration on the Democratic party?
^^^
Classic derailing tactic.

The point is that it took a punk kid with a knife to stop a corrupt official, when it didn't have to. The police and higher gov't could have easily investigated and brought him to a court of law... but they didn't.

When the only legal action they took was to arrest the murderer, they basically said "Abuse of power and collusion is good - stopping those who do both is bad."

skyrock
01-31-2010, 05:52 PM
Ignoring the fact that the criminal kills for money is a classic derailing.


^^^
Classic derailing tactic.

The point is that it took a punk kid with a knife to stop a corrupt official, when it didn't have to. The police and higher gov't could have easily investigated and brought him to a court of law... but they didn't.

When the only legal action they took was to arrest the murderer, they basically said "Abuse of power and collusion is good - stopping those who do both is bad."

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 06:07 PM
A government that does its job in full? Unpossible!!!! :lol: ;)

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Wow, you must have some severe short term memory - read the article more thoroughly, friend.


If you watch the movie "the founding of a republic" aka. 建國大業 (wiki..it's a PRC movie about the chinese civil war) I would say that the current situation of the communists is the same a the KMT was potrayed in the movie... where the KMT was corrupt and was in a damned if you do or don't scenario where to kill off corruption you would weaken the party (thus lose to the communists by internal strife) or have the population not support you but support your enemy (thus lose the country and the war)

Um... are you implying that the CCP is at war with somebody (i.e., the people)? And so to stay strong they have to stop reforming their ranks? Maybe you should avoid using a blatant piece of propaganda as a reference.

As for the Civil War - the way I see it, China would have gotten a rotten deal either way with the CCP or KMT, so I'm not going to debate which was better. As the party in power, however, the CCP's responsibilities clearly clash with those they are supposed to govern, and if it was the KMT I would state the same.


Ignoring the fact that the criminal kills for money is a classic derailing.

We've been talking about it this whole time, actually - you've just quoted that I've been talking about it. Smart.

Henry's Fork
01-31-2010, 06:25 PM
Smiling wolf, use some of your smile and laff, it was a joke.

Im sorry if i dont trust any government 100%, especially my own.

Hey Confuse, did they make a mini series for TV about that movie? The gun battle scenes were great, lots of classic firearms. Always some fearless and smart officer with a mauser pistol to kill off some evil bandit or KMT baby eater. The muslims and monks were always more than happy to help the Communist out as well, while fearing the KMT bandits. I couldnt stop watching, i was addicted to that show.

Smiling_Wolf
01-31-2010, 06:29 PM
Smiling wolf, use some of your smile and laff, it was a joke.

Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding then - it's hard to tell in these heated internet debates. If we were speaking face-to-face, it would be different. ;)

Confuse
02-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Smiling wolf, use some of your smile and laff, it was a joke.

Im sorry if i dont trust any government 100%, especially my own.

Hey Confuse, did they make a mini series for TV about that movie? The gun battle scenes were great, lots of classic firearms. Always some fearless and smart officer with a mauser pistol to kill off some evil bandit or KMT baby eater. The muslims and monks were always more than happy to help the Communist out as well, while fearing the KMT bandits. I couldnt stop watching, i was addicted to that show.


no idea.. its to only communist propaganda movie i've seen, I haven't seen any propaganda tv series, just a bunch of mainland wuxia (kinda like wild west movies in the US context) dramas , for the most part the anti KMT stuff in mainland media seems to have toned down over the decades, but of course within that context it's still the CPC being in the best light

Blue P
02-01-2010, 08:35 PM
He got rid of an oppressor, just like the Communist revolutionaries did in the old days.

well, many chinese people hate ccp not because they are oppressors, but they are corrupts. they are quite different terms to chinese.

at this stage, chinese people ain't demading as much freedom as western thinks. but corruption, does hurt them badly.