New Member, Fellow Patriot!

[TacoDelRio]

Hello everyone! I'm new to this place, but definitly not to military stuff. I'm an American Male High School Student from Southern California, I collect guns, I am joining the Army, and I enjoy learning about military stuff. I also enjoy teaching people those things, as I have done quite often. If i ever get egotistical, just tell me and I should shut up!
I enjoy Russian music, and i collect Mosin Nagant Rifles and accessories, so i am somewhat familiar with Russian hardware.

Just thought I'd post a hello. p-)

[Kitsune]

Hi there MrSkoronotskoy !!! Welcome (on behalf of myself) and just fire away !!!

[TacoDelRio]

Thank You, Kitsune!

[RoBBo]

lol are u kidding about the rifles? you said you are in high school, how can a high school student own guns? if this is true america has some serious bloody issues. i just saw bowling for columbine and it freaked the hell out of me.

[Vance]

Probably his parents get them for him. You have to be 18 or older just to buy a BB gun


And what is this Bowling for Columbine you speak of ?

[FallenAngel]

Bowling for Columbine is some liberal anti-patriotic film that makes the underbelly of society seem like the 'norm.

at least, that's what i've heard ;)

[TacoDelRio]

That movie was made by a liberal. I don't see whats so bad about me owning firearms. I've never hurt anyone with one, nor do I intend to, unless I must defend myself. I guess I don't understand why some people don't understand. Yes, I had my mom buy my rifles, but I actually pay the money to her. I'll be 18 soon, so I'll get some rifles in my name anyhow. There is nothing wrong with kids owning rifles and pistols, so long as they are responsible owners. I have been through several safety classes, and I am a member of the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program). I have never hurt anyone.

RD OUT p-)

[RoBBo]

lol u think its alright for kids to have guns? i dont see the logic in that.

[RoBBo]

u say bowling for columbine is anti-patriotic, how do u figure? u think those 2 boys who shot up that school were patriots?
u think 11,000 gun related deaths last year is patriotic? where is the patriotism in owning an assault rifle? wat could u possibly need an assault rifle for?
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[Vance]

Robbo you say there were 11,000 gun related deaths last year.....yet around 2,500,000 gun owners killed no one. So that 11,000 is about 2% in the grand scheme....I think thats a pretty good ratio.

[FallenAngel]

robbo...i didn't actually see the movie...if you read the whole post you'd see that's just what I heard.

no...they weren't patriots...they were some sick twisted bastards. But saying "oh..because a few kids go ape **** we should take away ALL the guns" isn't very patriotic- or even logical- for that matter.

And as for 11.000 people dying from firearms...like Vance said...thats less than 2% of gun owners. Most of those who dies were killed with ILLEGAL/ Stolen / Black Market guns. VERY rarely does someone who owns a gun legally and knows how to use one actually use it to kill anything...mcuh less a human. More people are killed in car accidents than with guns....and I dont see anyone taking our cars away just cuz some other nuts can't figure out how to use it correctly.

And it's not owning an assualt rifle....it's more of the principle of the thing. If they can limit our constitutional right to 'keep and bear arms' then what other limitations could they impose on say....search and siezure rights?

[a. enders]

What does being "liberal" have to do with a couple of nutjob whacko kids shooting folks?
As for the 11,000/2,500,000(?) sats and all that it comes down to this:most gun related deaths are murders committed by people who don't have registered firearms or have stolen firearmes.Just because some jerk-off street weinie commits a murder with a black market MAC-10 doesn't mean every gunowner in America is a murdering psychopath intent on dealing death.
I don't own any weapons myself (no cash),but my grandfather had a large collection before he passed,and I was taught (as well as my mother,bother her sisters,and her brother) to respect those weapons and what they could do.It was my mother's perogitive that I couldn't touch them.
Gun control is a farce.Let's punish the people who are law abiding and responsible because a certain portion of the population commits murders.And no that doesn't imply minorities,that implies the morons out there constantly whacking each other.

[RoBBo]

so wen do u draw the line? when a million people die? and as for 11,000 deaths, that is not a good ratio i dont care how u look at it. and i never said u should ban guns altogether im saying you should ban auto and semi-automatic weapons. u dont need them. u gonna shoot a deer 30 times? i dont care if u are a responsible owner u dont need a f%^&in machine gun.

[saluil]

Doctors kill 155,000 people a year through medical malpractice, should we ban them?

[FallenAngel]

@enders...

the only thing "liberal" has to do with it is that 'liberals' are very much stronger on the gun-grabbing side. Most conservatives don't really care if you got an AK, just as long as you prove you won't go beserk and kill your family and friends.

Liberals tend to think a small (*VERY* small) minority should represent the whole on the gun-control issue.

point in case....California (where I live) has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country (save NY I think) because for the past decade or so...there have been democrats in power. Democrats have traditionally been 'liberal'

Also...the 9th circuit court of appeals- a 'liberal' court if there ever was one- said the 2nd amendment does NOT apply to individual citizens and that the "right to keep and bear arms" applies only to police and the state militia/ national guard.

HOWEVER....I think there's a court case...i forgot which one....from about a hundred years ao, that states the "militia" is any male between 17 and 45 from which the organized militia can draw men from. Its old...but it's still true because nothing has overturned it....it's a shame the 9th circuit didn't remember that.

@robbo

and as for the 11,000 people a year. You just have a whacked perception of reality if you think thats a bigger deal than the hundreds of thousands who die in car accidents/ medical malpractice/ suicides (without a gun)/ industrial or job related accidents/ etc.

In short...if you go by the numbers....guns are actually safer than a LONG list of other things. And....as for banning semi- and auto- weapons....it only takes one shot to kill someone. And even if we DID take away all the semi and auto guns...the bad guys who buy them illegally aren't gonna stop....so you don't really accomplish anything short of punishing law-abiding citizens.

[Loke]

...and i never said u should ban guns altogether im saying you should ban auto and semi-automatic weapons. u dont need them. u gonna shoot a deer 30 times? i dont care if u are a responsible owner u dont need a f%^&in machine gun.

Bwahahahahah, you are a funny little person :lol:
Who said anyting about shooting deer?
I need my semi auto, high capacity rifles/carbines to compete in I.P.S.C (practical) style shooting and competition. To be more presice, I don't really need them, but I never needed my PC or car either. It's just fun to have.
And they are extremely cool to show off ;)
http://www.home.no/jervno/blackbeauties2.jpg

[littleranger]

Hi, I am new to. I am 14 and I have a plan to go the the Rangers. And I also have started collecting guns. My parents sighn for them!!!!!I have an AR-15, M-1 Carbine, Enfield, P-89, savage .270. well the AR-15 and M-1 is mine. But w/ all the laws our wonderful little goverment says I can accesorise my AR-15 like i want, with the pre/post-ban law. But that is only hurting the HONEST citizan. Any criminal could accesorise an AR-15 any way he wanted, he dont give a damn about the laws, but its honest citizans who are really sufferig. What do you all think about that?, i think it is totall bull****.

[littleranger]

how do i insert pics?

[TacoDelRio]

Got quite a collection therer, sonny! WHat state do you live in? ****, where do you get all that money? FallenAngel, I say, all of the stuff you said is simply brilliantly put! Right on! :D

Hey Little Ranger, I too, want to be a Ranger. I should be one soon, as I am joining the Army in a few months. I wish you good luck, and if you have any questions, just ask me, as I'll be going through it before you!

Good luck with your guns. My very first gun was a Mosin Nagant M91/30 in 7.62x54Rmm. A little bigger than your average 14 year old's bb gun! Where did I get the money? I saved up.

Hooah! Carry on! p-) p-) p-)

[Kitsune]

I can't believe it Loke. "Where does he get all those wonderful toys?".
What are those? A HK 33? You even got an MP5SD! Incredible.
"Amerika du hast es besser!" How do they differ from military versions (if at all)?

[Apogee]

I thought the MP5SD was Class Three weaponry?

[littleranger]

I live in North Carolina, I have been saving for my AR-15 for like 3 years and the M-1 Carbine was a gift. Hey loke is the one under the shotgun made by "special weapons" or somthing like that?, nice pdw :D .

[Loke]

I'm norwegian so I don't have to bother about CIII dealer and such.
To list the guns clock wise from top:
-Benelli M4-Super 90 (XM1014) 12ga. shottie
-HK G3A4Z 7.62x51NATO
-Brügger&Thomet BT96SD (MP5SD) 9x19mm
-HK MP5K with Choate side folder 9x19mm
-HK33-SG1 5.56x45NATO
And how I got the money for it? If I tell you I have to kill you.
http://www.home.no/jervno/jervsdlow.jpg

[Kitsune]

Lol, I know a G3A4 if I see one. But my question is: Are these weapons full-auto capable? Or is it disabled?

[hood]

That's something I was wondering. In the US, are private citizens allowed to have full auto MP5's? I've seen lots of videos of people having them but didn't know if those were acquired before any weapons bans on such things.

[Ratamacue]

Basically, in the US, after whatever law it was that was passed, weapons with the following could no longer be manufactured:

Pistol grips
Flash suppressors
Full-automatic capability
Black/dark-gray in color
Barrel shorter than 16 inches

Anything with those things are considered assault weapons. HOWEVER, you may own a weapon as such if it was produced prior to the passing of the law. Of course, my being 14 and living in New York makes it impossible to own any weapon at all. They practically won't even allow us to possess scissors without some kind of license.

[hood]

Seeing that until you're 18, by law your parents take full responsibility for you, I'm not seeing a problem with that, and I'm sure they don't either. Nothing like a good civil lawsuit because you annihilated the local school, to wipe out their life savings and take their home.

[Apogee]

well put hood

[Ratamacue]

I'm not an idiot. I'm not going to bring a weapon into school and shoot it up. I've gone through quite a bit of marksmanship safety training, and do have that thing called common sense.

The problem is that New York is the home of the liberals, so it's basically impossible to get your hands on anything, minor or adult.

[Loke]

Lol, I know a G3A4 if I see one. But my question is: Are these weapons full-auto capable? Or is it disabled?

Semi only.

[hood]

"and do have that thing called common sense."

:) It doesn't matter in the least what the sanity level of each 14 year old is. You have, and are about to have even more raging hormones going through your system. You may think that you're the most sane and level headed person on the planet right now. Ask any 25 year old if they thought they were in their right minds when they were 14-16 and they'll laugh and tell you 'absolutely not'. It's like asking an insane person if they're insane. They have no idea that they are because they're the one with a chemical inbalance. When you're over 20 you'll understand. When you're 30 you'll understand again how much more mature you are than when you were 20. I was raised very well by my parents, but that didn't stop me from doing stupid things when I was in my mid to late teens. Luckily they weren't illegal, but having guns around is a temptation that shouldn't be available.

[TacoDelRio]

Well, i can't say i do any stupid stuff. And i have guns around all the time!

[littleranger]

The only time i would go "insane" is if someone tries to break into my house. Yeah, im 14 I have an AR-15 and its in MY room and i have REAL ammo in MY room. I have sevearal loaded mags in MY room. Are you saying if someone pissed me off so much that I would just load it up and kill them? I would only kill a person in self defence or in defence of a inocent other. And about the full auto issue, my dads friend is a weapons "collector" he has many full auto weapons, all u have to get is a C3 weapons perment. I think someone said something about it before. And a G3 (well some) are made full auto capable (transfuable). He has a Mp5 and its full auto. He has a MK-11 (got to shoot it for my b-day) and its also full auto and it has a suppressor ( a REAL one) suppressors are Class 2 weapons.

[littleranger]

NOTE: I think its Transfearable, not sure.

[OzMan]

Hey man, I'm only 15 and I don't own a weapon. Yeah, being a typical teenager I think it would be cool to have a special weapon or something, but I know as well as my parents that (as said before) they are too much of a temptation. Two weeks after I moved into the house I live in now my neighbor was shot and killed in his basement over a drug deal that went sour. A nice "welcome to the neighborhood" and another reason not to own weapons when we found out the kid dropped out of high school when he was 16 and was only 18 when he was killed. He was also killed by one of his (at least used to be) good friends. You are only 14 and should not be even thinking about killing anyone, even in self-defense. I study counter-terrorism and will soon be teaching CQB classes to some fellow cadets in CAP. I know that CQB just isn't the same without the weapons, but I know that owning and handling weapons is more than a responsibility. I've only fired a weapon once (a .410 a long time ago) and don't plan to fire again until after high school. I am aiming for Air Force Combat Control after high school, and then I'll worry about killing someone. Some friends of mine are in my local police department's Explorer programme, kind of like a PD's little Boy Scout brother, and they do range training occassionally. You have to understand that when you fire a weapon even in self-defense, you should know that some mother's baby won't be coming home that night. That is something that I know I'm not prepared for, and I don't even want to think about it. The act of taking a life is horrible, something that will change your life forever. You will never go back. I know several people who have taken martial arts classes and all of their instructors say that if someone tries to break into your house, or steal your car, (I know this sounds weak and French) the best thing to do is to get on your knees and let it. And this coming from people who are 3rd degree black belts, people who could beat just about anyone's ass.

Now don't get me wrong, I bet you are very responsible and have no intentions, but I was shocked when you said that you have the weapon, ammo, and magazines in your room. I'm not allowed to have a paintball gun, airsoft, or even a watergun that looks too real. And I can understand why. The fact is, people just don't trust teenagers. Sometimes I don't even trust myself when holding an expensive camera. There will always be that one time where you're pissed and the weapon comes out. Even if you don't fire it, your local PD will be on your ass for just pointing it. That and it was a real weapon, probably with live ammo loaded. I don't have anything because I know that I don't need it. I think what I'm trying to say is that no matter how much training you've been through, or how much common sense you think you have (I know I'm not that smart when push comes to shove), everything changes when it's real. You are a little man (no offense, so am I) in a big man's world with a big man's gun. I sure as hell hope I don't read about you in the papers.

Switching gears: Loke, have you experienced any problems with your Benelli M4? Heard from SWAT Magazine's field testing that they seriously question the M4 as a true combat shotgun. They had quite a few problems with it. Just for research...

[TacoDelRio]

Well, see, you are lucky. I live in the People's Republik of Kommiefornia (California). I can't own anything more than an antique bolt action rifle! Thats why I stick to full power carbines. But thats all us Californians can legally purchase. The laws here are ridiculous, aimed at disarming law-abiding citizens.

I dont make much money, so if anyone breaks into my house, I would shoot them with my M44, waking up every soul on Earth, and I would go to jail for that. Unless he basically drops a nuclear bomb on me, then its considered murder to kill or injur or even look at an intruder who breaks into your house. :bash: :petting: :fork: :cantbeli:

I am moving to Nevada or Arizona while I am in the military.


Hooah p-)

[Loke]

Switching gears: Loke, have you experienced any problems with your Benelli M4? Heard from SWAT Magazine's field testing that they seriously question the M4 as a true combat shotgun. They had quite a few problems with it. Just for research...

Only "problem" was the break in period. The M4 has to be force-fed 3-500 rounds of some type of heavy loads before it cycles properly. But after that it eats everyting you give it, from light clay loads to heavy slugs.
The gas operation also makes mounting red-dot sights, NVG's, lights and what have you a viable option. The Benelli M1 and M3 would not feed properly with accessories attached to the reciever because of not being gas operated.
Although I'm just a Chairborn Ranger I'm totally pleased with the Benelli M4 and how it handles, a truly awsome weapon!
http://www.home.no/jervno/benellim4-s90low.jpg

http://www.home.no/jervno/benellisig.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

How come you guys up in Finland/Sweden/Norway are allowed to own automatic rifles and such, yet us Americans, who have the right to own firearms in our constitution as a guaranteed right NOT to be infringed (it clearly DOES'NT say we can't own automatic firearms) are'nt allowed to own them unless we get a different liscence and whatnot, and pay RIDICULOUS amounts of money to get anything automatic? :cry: I thought the constitution was supposed to be a constant. It's being infringed on a daily basis. I'm limited to owning bolt action rifles, :cantbeli: or semi-auto .22lr's with a 10 round magazine, but I wish I could own some other more interesting rifles, such as an M14 (Can't own that, has a "flash hider") or an M4gery.

If it has a pistol grip, "flash hider", black coloration, detatchable magazine, or any of the other "evil black rifle" features, then many Americans are not allowed to own them. How is a militia supposed to be able to suppress an enemy attack if the citizens are'nt allowed to own effective weapons? If it were'nt for militias, we'd all be speaking with a British accent right now.

Hooah. p-) :cry: :| :(

[OzMan]

Well, first of all, there are a lot of stupid Americans out there who give all of the law-abiding citizens a bad name. And, the militia is now called the National Guard.

[David]

i agree with eagle 1-1, kids shouldn't be thinking about killing people, and when they do think about killing people they should bottle it up inside and wait until they're adults to kill that person so they can get away with it easier. they can drive then, buy guns easier, and are more mature and better able to think abstractly and get out of situations that might get them caught. trust me. :D

[OzMan]

That is a funny thought, though. Or you can move to Somalia, and join the national heritage of killing other savages.

Loke: No problems with the stock? Do you find it odd that there are only two postions; open and closed? Do you have the dimensions to need a middle setting? Any complaints with the "contradictory" sights? Did yours come with an Insight Technology M6 light? Don't see it in the pix. SWAT Magazine said, "Sadly, in this scribe's opinion, it seems as if somebody tried to reinvent the wheel-and consequently fixed something that wasn't broke...the gun doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before."

Agree/Disagree?

[TacoDelRio]

No offense to anyone in the National Guard, but it is a poor substitute for a militia. There are still militias aound, running strong, they've just been more secretive, since the government and modern society has demonized them.

If a country invades the USA, I'll be waiting for them here, rifle loaded, ready to take care of any opposers of the US Constitution.

P.S. I am a kid, but I don't think of "killing people" as being glorious, just necessary during war, since that is what war is about, basically. Kill your enemy, enough of them to make them stop fighting you.

Hooah! p-)

[Loke]

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Loke: No problems with the stock? Do you find it odd that there are only two postions; open and closed? Do you have the dimensions to need a middle setting? Any complaints with the "contradictory" sights? Did yours come with an Insight Technology M6 light? Don't see it in the pix. SWAT Magazine said, "Sadly, in this scribe's opinion, it seems as if somebody tried to reinvent the wheel-and consequently fixed something that wasn't broke...the gun doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before."
Agree/Disagree?

I've seen others complain about the two position stock. But I'm used to the HK rifle and SMG two position collapsible stocks, so it has been no problem for me. But if your'e wearing a tac. vest and body armor a middle setting would be nice. But as I said, most HK collapsible stocks only have two positions and they are still being used by many.
Only sight that came with the gun was a well defined ghost ring sight.
I kind of disagree on the; " it seems as if somebody tried to reinvent the wheel-and consequently fixed something that wasn't broke...the gun doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before." point, becaus the M4 works way better in conjunction with extras mounted on the reciever than the M1 and M3 Benellies.

[FallenAngel]

Actually MrSkorotsnoy....if you are in the military in california then you are exempt from most of the commi...i mean, "democratic" gun-grabbing liberal laws. Also works if you are a cop. (he he...go join the LAPD as a reserve officer....then you can get all the goodies you want ;) )

also...there is TWO different militias in the US. The "organized" national guard and the "unorganized" militia that is every male between the ages of 17 and 45. The former is the one that liberals say should have the goods...and ONLY the former. The US supreme court however...has said otherwise. ;)