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skyrock
01-31-2010, 06:06 PM
Haiti detains Americans taking kids across border

By FRANK BAJAK and PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writers Frank Bajak And Paisley Dodds, Associated Press Writers – 15 mins ago

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Ten U.S. Baptists detained trying to take 33 children out of earthquake-shattered Haiti without government permission say they were just trying to do the right thing, applying Christian principles to save Haitian children.

But their "Orphan Rescue Mission" is striking nerves in a country that has long suffered from child trafficking and foreign interventions, and where much of the aid is delivered in ways that challenge Haiti's own rich religious traditions.

Prime Minister Max Bellerive on Sunday told The Associated Press that the group was arrested and is under judicial investigation "because it is illegal trafficking of children and we won't accept that."

The Americans are the first people to be arrested since the Jan 12 quake on such suspicions. No charges have been filed.

The government and established child welfare agencies are trying to slow Haitian adoptions amid fears that parentless or lost children are more vulnerable than ever to being seized and sold. Without proper documents and concerted efforts to track down their parents, they could be forever separated from family members able and willing to care for them.

Social Affairs Minister Yves Cristallin told The Associated Press that the Americans were suspected of taking part in an illegal adoption scheme.

The orphanage where the children were later taken said some of the kids have living parents, who were apparently told the children were going on a holiday from the post-quake misery.

The church group's own mission statement said it planned to spend only hours in the devastated capital, quickly identifying children without immediate families and busing them to a rented hotel in the Dominican Republic without bothering to get permission from the Haitian government.

Whatever their intentions, other child welfare organizations in Haiti said the plan was foolish at best.

"The instinct to swoop in and rescue children may be a natural impulse but it cannot be the solution for the tens of thousands of children left vulnerable by the Haiti earthquake," said Deb Barry, a protection expert at Save the Children, which wants a moratorium on new adoptions. "The possibility of a child being scooped up and mistakenly labeled an orphan in the chaotic aftermath of the disaster is incredibly high."

The church members, most from Idaho, said they were only trying to rescue abandoned and traumatized children.

"In this chaos the government is in right now, we were just trying to do the right thing," the group's spokeswoman, Laura Silsby, told the AP from inside Haiti's judicial police headquarters, where she and others were being held until a Monday hearing.

Officials said they lacked the proper documents for the children, whose names were written on pink tape on their shirts.

The children, ages 2 months to 12 years old, were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said they arrived "very hungry, very thirsty, some dehydrated."

"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, 'I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.

The orphanage was working Sunday to reunite the children with their families, joining a concerted effort by the Haitian government, the United Nations, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other NGOs.

In Idaho, the Rev. Clint Henry denied that his Central Valley Baptist Church had anything to do with child trafficking.

He urged his tearful congregation to pray to God to "help them as they seek to resist the accusations of Satan and the lies that he would want them to believe and the fears that he would want to plant into their heart."

As the poorest country in the western hemisphere, Haiti is in a difficult spot — it needs aid, but deeply resents foreign meddling. Many have an uneasy relationship with American evangelical Christian groups that funnel hundreds of millions of dollars into their missions in Haiti.

Since Haiti became the world's first black republic in 1804, its people have seen several U.S. military occupations, was wrongly blamed for the spread of AIDS and has been vilified for the Voodoo traditions brought from West Africa. Voodoo is one of Haiti's two constitutionally recognized religions, along with Roman Catholicism, and two-thirds of Haiti's 9 million people are said to worship its spirits.

One Voodoo leader said the Idaho group's plan — to give each child "new life in Christ" while facilitating their adoptions by "loving Christian families" in the United States — is deeply offensive.

"There are many who come here with religious ideas that belong more in the time of the inquisition," said Max Beauvoir, head of Haiti's Voodoo Priest's Association, which represents thousands of priests and priestesses. "These types of people believe they need to save our souls and our bodies from ourselves. We need compassion, not proselytizing now, and we need aid — not just aid going to people of the Christian faith."

Many religious groups run legitimate adoption agencies and orphanages in Haiti. Some of the children in them aren't actually orphans, but have been left by relatives who can't afford their care.

At the same time, bogus adoption agencies also prey on families in Haiti, offering children to rich Haitians and foreigners in return for processing fees reaching $10,000, according to the intergovernmental International Organization for Migration.

Restoring families inside Haiti is a goal of leading aid agencies and the Haitian government. Bellerive's personal authorization is now required for the departure of any child.

Silsby told the AP that she hadn't been following news reports while in Haiti, and didn't think she needed Haitian permission to take them out of the country. She said they only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, who she said were brought to a Haitian pastor by their distant relatives.

Child trafficking "is exactly what we are trying to combat," Silsby said.

The 10 detained Americans include members of the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho, and the East Side Baptist Church in Twin Falls, Idaho. They are part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is America's largest Protestant denomination and has extensive humanitarian programs worldwide.

It is becoming more common for individual Southern Baptist congregations to run their own mission programs, ranging from sending doctors overseas for short-term trips to undertaking evangelism work.

The Idaho churches had elaborate plans before the earthquake to "provide a loving Christian homelike environment" for up to 200 Haitian and Dominican boys and girls in the Magante beach resort, complete with a school and chapel as well as villas and a seaside cafe catering to adoptive U.S. parents.

"One of the reasons that our church wanted to help is because we believe that Christ has asked us to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world, and that includes children," Henry, the senior pastor, said.

The 500-member church, where signs taped to large bins outside the pastors' offices read "Donations for Haiti," gave several thousand dollars to the mission, Henry said.

When the quake hit, they decided to move faster. Silsby, who runs an online shopping site in Idaho, quickly put their plan on Web site, soliciting tax-deductible donations while preparing their trip. "Given the urgent needs from this earthquake, God has laid upon our hearts the need to go now, versus waiting until the permanent facility is built," the group wrote.

LineDoggie
01-31-2010, 06:46 PM
This is something that needs to be watched. The massive shifting of population could be a Pedo Paradise with abducting children. This group even if it meant well, fed into the worst fears

California Joe
01-31-2010, 06:51 PM
^ Yup, that place is so fractured at this point that it could turn into some kind of pervert fire sale. These do gooders need to realize that and calm the f*ck down.

Clockwinder
01-31-2010, 06:59 PM
The Idaho churches had elaborate plans before the earthquake to "provide a loving Christian homelike environment" for up to 200 Haitian and Dominican boys and girls in the Magante beach resort, complete with a school and chapel as well as villas and a seaside cafe catering to adoptive U.S. parents. WTF? What gives them the right? Damn, I just hate these proselytizing groups. By all means offer a "better" life to these unfortunates, but I despair at the likely result - another restrictive, ultra-conservative, insular hypocritical adult.

LineDoggie
01-31-2010, 07:08 PM
WTF? What gives them the right? Damn, I just hate these proselytizing groups. By all means offer a "better" life to these unfortunates, but I despair at the likely result - another restrictive, ultra-conservative, insular hypocritical adult.Quite Right, much better another no boundaries, no morals, sociopathic, adult with a attitude

ting
01-31-2010, 07:25 PM
The church group's own mission statement said it planned to spend only hours in the devastated capital, quickly identifying children without immediate families and busing them to a rented hotel in the Dominican Republic without bothering to get permission from the Haitian government.
Ok. Get in, get child, get out..... Are these people for real?:roll:



Silsby told the AP that she hadn't been following news reports while in Haiti, and didn't think she needed Haitian permission to take them out of the country. She said they only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, who she said were brought to a Haitian pastor by their distant relatives.
:cantbeli:

This is just incredible.

Clockwinder
01-31-2010, 07:38 PM
Say what? You have an annoying habit of misconstruing comments. That is absolutely NOT what I meant at all, and I'm sure you're quite aware of that.

2495
01-31-2010, 07:49 PM
Seen their pictures? jesus they look like a Gary Glitter fan club reunion meeting. Shifty looking bastards the lot of them.

Connaught Ranger
02-01-2010, 04:40 AM
The news clip I saw of the group, remineded me of arrest pictures shown of past pedo trial reports of the suspects/perps, scary stuff.

Connaught Ranger.

Atlantic Friend
02-01-2010, 04:47 AM
Another "Zoe's Ark" case in the making.

martinexsquaddie
02-01-2010, 05:57 AM
well meaning but damm not terribly bright

deagle
02-01-2010, 08:23 PM
they want to help, build a school, so MANY children can benefit, orphans or not.

IconOfEvi
02-02-2010, 01:23 AM
Say what? You have an annoying habit of misconstruing comments. That is absolutely NOT what I meant at all, and I'm sure you're quite aware of that.

I do believe he did the simple art of taking your statement and putting the shoe on the other foot ;)

Connaught Ranger
02-02-2010, 03:45 AM
they want to help, build a school, so MANY children can benefit, orphans or not.
How does kidnapping / stealing Hatian kids equate to helping build a school?

Chiptox
02-02-2010, 04:13 AM
The news clip I saw of the group, remineded me of arrest pictures shown of past pedo trial reports of the suspects/perps, scary stuff.

Connaught Ranger.
They're Baptist Missionaries from Boise. Hardly the perv type. More of the evangelical Jerry Fallwell breed. And hey, if you were treking across Haiti you'd look a bit rumpled too.

They do seem to be short on brains and proper planning. I guess they're getting a lesson in perspective and they're learning that just because they're acting in an altruistic manner doesn't mean that everyone else has to play along.

Connaught Ranger
02-02-2010, 04:21 AM
They're Baptist Missionaries from Boise. Hardly the perv type. More of the evangelical Jerry Fallwell breed. And hey, if you were treking across Haiti you'd look a bit rumpled too.

They do seem to be short on brains and proper planning. I guess they're getting a lesson in perspective and they're learning that just because they're acting in an altruistic manner doesn't mean that everyone else has to play along.

Nice of you to defend them.p-) I presume in Idaho, nobody has ever heard that you require legal documents and papers, when you wish to carry other peoples children over international borders.p-)
Presumably when getting into the Missionary business, you would expect them to have been briefed on the legal requirements of the countries in which they are opperating and not expect their U.S. Passports to be a "Get out of Jail Card" for their dubious actions.

Recent history has shown seriouse child abuse has been and is frequently conducted by religious types.

Connaught Ranger

Rayber
02-02-2010, 10:03 AM
How does kidnapping / stealing Hatian kids equate to helping build a school?

I think Deagle missed a "If" , so the sentence would be like this then : if they want to help, build a school, so MANY children can benefit, orphans or not.

makes more sense ; )

California Joe
02-02-2010, 10:53 AM
F*ck them. I don't know if it's ignorance or arrogance that prompts these people but I'm sick to death of oblivious f*cktards running about the globe acting as if the rules don't apply to them.

"Human shields" showing up in Iraq before the war, dodgy "journalists" sneaking into authoritarian regimes, 35 year old "adventurers" wandering about in war zones, missionaries acting as if they can do whatever they please because they're on a mission from God...The only things they do is create international incidents, piss people off, and force our state department to waste time and money bailing them out.

In this case they're also creating a distraction from all of the obvious good works being done to help Haiti.

3rdMillhouse
02-02-2010, 11:25 AM
How does kidnapping / stealing Hatian kids equate to helping build a school?

You misunderstood his post, what he actually meant is that, if they want to help, then they should build schools.

Clear_blues
02-02-2010, 11:29 AM
many levels of dumb these people are.

seraosha
02-02-2010, 12:05 PM
Recent history has shown seriouse child abuse has been and is frequently conducted by religious types.

Connaught Ranger

Eventually you are going to move on past that prejudice...the vast majority of ****** abuse occurs in families, by families and trusted family friends, not the neighborhood priest.
I saw UN personnel attempt to rape young boys while I was in Haiti, does that make all those that served child rapists? Of course not. Although looking at that avatar pic of yours, "pervy" in a Bennie Hill kinda way does seem likely. What, making an unfair assumption based on a photo? Shocking.

These missionaries are being investigated, and if they are pedophiles they will be prosecuted, and if they are just morons, they will still be punished.
Our State Dept. is deeply involved with the investigation.